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I would like to know how much larger the cruise against the touch. does anyone have both that can post a side by side shot
I'm in the same boat. It's 10mm longer and 1.5 mm thicker according to specs. Really wish I could experience one before buying!
I was concerned about this as well, but its not bad. Its not too thick for me.
I am very glad I bought it. Its a great device... everything worked perfectly out of the box.
From the specs it's almost identical in size and weight to the Artemis so if you could find a store with an Artemis (or re-brand like O2 XDA Orbit) then that would give you a really good idea of how the TC will feel in the hand and/or pocket. In fact the TC is about a mm thinner than the Artemis so if anything the TC will be slightly more pocketable.
I'm in the UK and when I bought my first device (an Artemis) I went into an O2 shop and played for a long time with the Touch and the Artemis (O2 XDA Orbit). I ended up buying the Artemis, even though it is bigger and I really do care a lot about size and weight, and I didn't regret it. I find it completely unobtrusive in my pockets.
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Here you go (halfway down the page)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1303843
JNGold said:
Here you go (halfway down the page)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1303843
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Geez, the Polaris IS thick.
I almost pulled the trigger on a Polaris this week but now I'm really torn. I dusted off my old Eten and Trinity and looked at some friends devices this weekend. One thing the Touch has going for is the very few small hard to press buttons. Add to that the screen that some claim is not sensitive enough and you have a device that is ideal to store in your pocket. With my Trinity in my pocket, if I got a text or a call, buttons were always pressed and several apps opened. Even with the flush screen, the Touch never accidentally calls people, etc.
Hard to tell from the pics - does the Polaris have a large button pad like the trinity? I mean, are all the buttons one large piece?
My problem isn't the lack of features with the Touch. I can't get more than 1 bar in my office with AT&T GSM and miss calls but with 3G, I get 3. I've tried this with my trinity and 8525. I've Asked my AT&T rep and he can't explain it. Thought the size of the Touch would offset the reception issue. After 6 mo, I am looking for a small device with 3G. Considering a Polaris or LG MS25. Odd thing is that Sprint and Verizon don't get a signal either but T-mobile does. I'm gonna pop a T-Mobile SIM in my Touch and see. I'd hate to switch carriers but HTC has let us down by not putting 3G in the "enhanced" Touch.
Baxter said:
(..) With my Trinity in my pocket, if I got a text or a call, buttons were always pressed and several apps opened. Even with the flush screen, the Touch never accidentally calls people, etc.(..)
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If you're seriously in doubt between these two devices you really need to take a look at S2U2 to lock your device (automatically on screen off).
Incidentally: I used to have S2U2 installed on my Artemis, but on the Polaris the ON/OFF button is situated on top of the device, which means that it is very unlikely going to be pushed inside my pocket. By default all buttons except ON/OFF are switched off on screen off. So far I haven't felt the need to install S2U2 on my Polaris, however happy I was with its performance on my previous device.
Seriously, the Touch is no competition for the Polaris, performancewise.
I've been looking for a long time for an app that would prevent all buttons & screen from waking on incoming sms/call but still allow audible alert or vibrate. Pressing on/off would wake much like opening a flip phone. I'd prefer that it run in the background and not require a slide or button combination to "unlock". Just simply have to press power to wake. Does it do that? I'll give it a try if you say it does.
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I've been looking for a long time for an app that would prevent all buttons & screen from waking on incoming sms/call but still allow audible alert or vibrate. Pressing on/off would wake much like opening a flip phone. I'd prefer that it run in the background and not require a slide or button combination to "unlock". Just simply have to press power to wake. Does it do that? I'll give it a try if you say it does.
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What you're describing is the default functionality of the Polaris. After 3 minutes inactivity it falls asleep on screen off (you can use power button to force sleep) and locks screen and buttons except power button.
Calls, notifications etc. still work, (bluetooth) audio will also keep running.
To awake, press power button.
So you are saying that the polaris doesn't wake when you have an incoming call or sms? Maybe there is a misunderstanding. I want to have to press power before being able to answer.
Right, I can't see an Issues list for this device yet so I'll start one:
1. A couple of times now, I've left my phone to charge overnight and woke up to an unresponsive device. Power button does nothing, screen is off and only way to get it device back up and running is to poke the soft-reset button OR remove and reinsert the battery.
2. Unresponsive buttons: every now and then the "right" button of the D-Pad does nothing, then suddenly it will start working again, same with the "Back" button though much more infrequent/noticable than the D-Pad issue I've experienced.
I did not expierence the first problem with the charging issue.
To close and app you can use the (arrow pointing left) key but sometimes i have to push it like 3 or 4 times before it respond.
Same with the touchscreen but i fixed that by increasing the touchpad sensitivity with a regedit.
My device has reset a few times while I been reading email or texts.
John
Guys. The whole phone besides the keyboard is touch sensitive. So the whole front keys and touchscreen. Increase sensitivity and it should work fine.
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Guys. The whole phone besides the keyboard is touch sensitive. So the whole front keys and touchscreen. Increase sensitivity and it should work fine.
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Erm, I'm sorry but that's not right is it. The D-Pad, Send, End, Home and Back buttons are actual buttons as opposed to touch sensitive.
The zoom wheel is obviously a "touch" area too. The issue I am descriping seems to suggest that the switches might be a bit flakey rather than anything else.
no he is right all the buttons are PRESSURE (he said touch) sensitive..when they unvieled the diamond the ceo of htc demonstrated that the keys are pressure sensitie and even the cameria button can SENSE when your finger is approaching to ready the zoom ..here is the youtube vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsMit
pazookie said:
no he is right all the buttons are PRESSURE (he said touch) sensitive..when they unvieled the diamond the ceo of htc demonstrated that the keys are pressure sensitie and even the cameria button can SENSE when your finger is approaching to ready the zoom ..here is the youtube vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsMit
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Sorry my bad. WM phones used to be called touch sensitve but in reality they're pressure sensitive. The only touch sensitive phones out currently are the iPhones and the Omni I would say.
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Erm, I'm sorry but that's not right is it. The D-Pad, Send, End, Home and Back buttons are actual buttons as opposed to touch sensitive.
The zoom wheel is obviously a "touch" area too. The issue I am descriping seems to suggest that the switches might be a bit flakey rather than anything else.
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If the were actual buttons they would be capable of being pushed in which it's not possible to do
Issues:
HTC task man doesnt work properly.
Poor reception
Too many startup apps/services put on by htc to provide touch interface (which i hate)
why on eart you use operaloder on phones stratup just to get 2-3 more seconds fast load time for opera.
i think htc just over done this touch crap.
could anoyone access setupfiles on rom so i can use plain wm6.1
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If the were actual buttons they would be capable of being pushed in which it's not possible to do
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Hang on, you clearly don't own either Touch Pro or a Diamond, the D-Pad, Call, End, Home and Back buttons CAN BE PUSHED IN. They are actual buttons.
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Hang on, you clearly don't own either Touch Pro or a Diamond, the D-Pad, Call, End, Home and Back buttons CAN BE PUSHED IN. They are actual buttons.
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No. I'm sure of it. I have demoed both a touch pro and a diamond. I meant that they CANNOT be pushed in as you can on the kaiser. I know this for a fact and on every video you will see that it is mentioned as a pressure sensitive all around except for the keyboard. I'm sure of that. They are not real buttons. I guess you could push it in if it's just a piece of glass and paper underneath the actual pressure sensitive touchpad, but it wouldn't make it real buttons. I know what I'm talking about Unless HTC suddenly decided to make them real buttons which would kill their profits so I'm assuming that they wouldn't do that either. I demoed it about 2-3 weeks ago.
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Right, I can't see an Issues list for this device yet so I'll start one:
1. A couple of times now, I've left my phone to charge overnight and woke up to an unresponsive device. Power button does nothing, screen is off and only way to get it device back up and running is to poke the soft-reset button OR remove and reinsert the battery.
2. Unresponsive buttons: every now and then the "right" button of the D-Pad does nothing, then suddenly it will start working again, same with the "Back" button though much more infrequent/noticable than the D-Pad issue I've experienced.
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1 - Not had that problem - hopefully that'll go after your next hard reset or ROM update - these damn things always have, and always will behave differently for different people, it seems!
2 - My Back button missed my press once or twice, but I think it's more of a hardware issue than a software issue though (or possibly user error!). I'll tell you now though, hitting the "Right" button on my Diamond was next to impossible. It was extremely stiff, and would eventually register as a press on the "Hang Up" button. Drove me absolutely mental! But I think I was the only Diamond user who had that problem, and my Raphael is fine.
having got one in my hand - they are tactile push bottons - i.e you push them until it clicks before an action happens.
ardsar said:
having got one in my hand - they are tactile push bottons - i.e you push them until it clicks before an action happens.
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Then I must be crazy. Since all I have to do is touch the button and a action happens. But my pressure threshold is very high.
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No. I'm sure of it. I have demoed both a touch pro and a diamond. I meant that they CANNOT be pushed in as you can on the kaiser. I know this for a fact and on every video you will see that it is mentioned as a pressure sensitive all around except for the keyboard. I'm sure of that. They are not real buttons. I guess you could push it in if it's just a piece of glass and paper underneath the actual pressure sensitive touchpad, but it wouldn't make it real buttons. I know what I'm talking about Unless HTC suddenly decided to make them real buttons which would kill their profits so I'm assuming that they wouldn't do that either. I demoed it about 2-3 weeks ago.
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I'm not going to get into an argument over this but the 9 buttons (Home, Back, Call, End, Up, Down, Left, Right and the centre of the D-Pad) on the face of the Diamond and the Touch Pro are buttons which have a tactile feedback, a press will not register until you "feel" the button pressed. The only thing in that area that is a "touch sensitive" thing is the zoom wheel.
Just because the area looks flush does not mean they are not buttons. There's a single piece of material that covers that area but I can assure you there are individual switches under there that provide a tactile feedback. You HAVE to feel that feedback for the button to do anything, simply touching it will have no effect unless you are using the zoom wheel functionality.
If you believe anything else you are wrong.
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Then I must be crazy. Since all I have to do is touch the button and a action happens. But my pressure threshold is very high.
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1. What do you mean "my pressure threshold is very high"? Are you talking about the registry settings?
2. I thought you didnt have a Touch Pro or Diamond?
I said I didn't own one. Doesn't mean I don't have one in hand right now I have family members and friends that work for HTC america and AT&T.
Yeah. Registry settings/Advance Config for diamond
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I said I didn't own one. Doesn't mean I don't have one in hand right now I have family members and friends that work for HTC america and AT&T.
Yeah. Registry settings/Advance Config for diamond
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Yes. Ok.
Anyway, so you're saying that device you have in your hand right now has no tactile feedback on the front face buttons?
If have insiders at HTC why did you ask for donations so you could get a Touch Pro in the other thread?
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Yes. Ok.
Anyway, so you're saying that device you have in your hand right now has no tactile feedback on the front face buttons?
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EDIT: Okay. Maybe I'm mistaken. It's only the d-pad that's pressure sensitive. The buttons are tactile even though they feel as if they are pressure sensitive because I don't push into it like I did with the front face buttons on my kaiser.
ah, you've seen the light. The button DOES push in but the panel is one solid "sheet" that covers all the buttons.
The "wheel" is the only touch sensitive bit. The 5 navigation functions of the d-pad (up down left right select) are all tactile buttons that work off little switches.
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ah, you've seen the light. The button DOES push in but the panel is one solid "sheet" that covers all the buttons.
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Actually. I should show you the light I'm right.
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Click number 3 and read this caption: "Swipe your finger across the screen to scroll through contracts, zoom, and pan web pages, browse your music library, and more, or press the touch-sensitive buttons to navigate and control your phone."
So concluding to that original fact that I was indeed right
Something along these lines may have already been created, but I havent been able to find it. Shell software, and touch flo is all very good for using our phones without a stylus, but we all know that at some point we are going to have to use a piece of wm software, and out the stylus comes.
What I am proposing is a virtual mouse cursor. I came across Innovisoft Virtuamouse, which is controled by the d-pad, but why not have a cursor about 50*50 pixels, which can be moved by finger.
In my paint mockup picture, the red circle would be where you touch to drag the cursor, and the tip is the active point where the stylus would tap. It would be moved by dragging, and a stylus tap would be signified by removing and replacing the finger within 200ms, like a laptop touchpad.
This cursor would probably be turned on and off by a hardware button.
Unfortunately I am not a developer, so this would have to be a project for someone else, but I'm sure people would be willing to contribute.
Since the Diamond having multi-touch seems to be comfirmed (link below), I would bet that one of the first things we see from deevelopers is just this idea. Using the touch-sensitive part of the area around the action button as a trackpad and clicking with a button press.
Diamond multi-touch vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY&feature=related
Seems like a good idea, but I do have to question this a bit. You want to use a touch controlled mouse to tap a button? It seems like a bit more work to do. Also, your picture is a smartphone....
The idea is to use the mouse to press the odd, fiddely button, not for constant use.
As for that being a smartphone screen, that was an overlook on my part - I just grabbed the first screen capture off google images.
I think it would be useful for web browsing.
Surur
Hello, I am trying to get familiar with this device and those S-pen enabled apps. How does palm rejection really work? It seems that if the pen touches the screen first and then I rest my palm on the screen, there is no marks made by my palm. If I put my palm on it first, depending on the settings, sometimes my palm leaves some marks.
While using the handwriting feature, I often hit the large space bar by mistake. Any way to avoid this while resting the writing hand on the screen?
There's subtle nuances in terms of performance of rejection of stray touches depending on the application that you're in. Some apps handle it better than others.
For example, in Action Memo as you lay hour hand down to start writing with the stylus it may leave a stray mark. Experiment with this by having the first touch of your hand be your knuckle of your pinky. Drag your knuckle across a little before bringing the tip of the pen to the screen. That stray mark stays there when you're done with your writing with the stylus.
Now repeat the same test in S-Note with finger input enabled. Again practice the motion of keeping your knuckle on the screen and dragging, then bringing the pen to the screen. Notice anything different? As long as you haven't lifted your knuckle, S-Note deletes the stray line the moment the pen gets close. Any marks you've made prior to the pen getting close to the screen stay there however.
The point being that the answer isn't as straighforward as you might think. Here we have two examples of two applications made by the same developer (at least you would THINK its the same developer) yet they act completely different. When writing with these devices one has to be deliberate in when and how they bring their hand and pen to the screen. With practice this becomes second nature though. It definitely helps when note taking apps have the ability to ignore finger input.
With regards to your problem with the handwriting recognition pad used for text input . . I'm with you there. The location of that space bar and all the other buttons is mindbogglingly stupid. They should be located above your palm. IMO what we have here is a classic example of the porting of a function that was developed for phones held in your hand (whereby you do not need to rest your hand on the phone) to a tablet without realizing that the usage of the function would be different on the new hardware.
Hi... using styli on tablets is new for me, and some general guidance would be appreciated.... I'm looking for palm rejection solutions for Samsung Tab devices that (unlike touchscreentune) don't require rooting.
We have some of these Notier styli in-house, and certainly they provide a very nice writing experience, except of course that S Note doesn't have palm rejection so the stylus can't be used for note taking.
A Microsoft Surface 3 will arrive later today, and it has a resistive screen, Wacom stylus and palm rejection, so that should work well. But we'd like to use cheaper Tab devices as well.
Our applications are general note taking (instead of legal pads) and also annotating medical images.
Just my opinion here but the perception that palm rejection is not present is not a black and white thing. Rejection of stray input has more to do with touch sensor type of the device, the application used and the way the device is used within the application in question as opposed to a device itself not having palm rejection support.
Take a capacitive sensor based screen for example, where the user holding a capacitive stylus in hand and he/she brings the hand down to rest on the surface to begin writing. For a brief moment some other part or parts of the hand/wrist are going to contact the screen prior to the tip of the capacitive stylus. Without any other means of knowing how to interpret these inputs the software is going to have to consider registering them somehow. As long as these points of contact don't move significantly before movement of the stylus tip begins the application that is active can then make sense of what is going on and begin to reject the touch inputs from everything but the stylus tip. This is how "palm rejection" works. All touch input has to be evaluated and then the application decides what is input and what isnt.
IMO devices with active stylus support are always going to have an advantage when it comes to "palm rejection" in that software applications can be written in such a way as to completely ignore capacitive touch when the pen is in range of the screen. LectureNotes app for example can be set to completely ignore finger touches for writing operations and I'm sure this is not the only application that can do this. That isn't to say that this is a global feature that ALL apps inherently have, but rather it is a feature available to developers based upon how they implement things. Devices limited to capacitive stylus support only will always be at a disadvantage because the device will not perceive a difference between the tip of a stylus and a finger.
Aloha...
Yes, that's right... the application needs to work with the touch screen driver to reject inputs that aren't useful.
With the Samsung Tab Pro 12.2, resting one's palm on the screen completely disables the ability to write with a stylus (using S-Note), so it's pretty much hopeless, at least using S-Note. S-Note is nicely integrated with Evernote...
Will give LectureNotes a try. It mentions being "usable" with Samsung Tab products, so let's see if it can reject palm pressure.
Palm Rejection just means you don't smudge your drawing/writing with your palm whilst resting it on the screen.
Remember how you used to get a black palm from the ink as a kid, and your whole paper was covered in smudges? That.
It is not a 'Disable Touch Input' feature. It does not disable touch, it does not disable the buttons, and it does not restrict input to the Pen only.
If you're rooted, this is an option: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmd.spencontrol
I have a desk job and pickup my phone from my desk with my left hand quite often which then i unlock the phone with my left thumb. The issue with this is to unlock the phone comfortably and naturally, part of my thumb rests on the recent key. Any other way, my whole thumb doesnt cover the fingerprint scanner and asks me to try again
As soon as the phone unlocks with my fingerprint the recent apps appear. So annoying
Anyone else know this pain?
I exclusively use my left thumb too. There is a tip here on XDA S6 forums about registering multiple fingers in one fingerprint learning session which is kinda cool. So using this tip, when I had the fingerprint reader learn my thumb print, I slightly moved my thumb around on the sensor during each press while I'm holding the S6 in my left hand so that it can record various areas of my thumb print. I even set down the phone and pick it back up during the learning session in case I'm holding the S6 slightly higher or lower in my hand. Having the S6 learn my thumb print this way, I've never had to touch the fingerprint reader more than once now.