Hello XDA-ers.
I have a Moto Atrix MB860 and I can never really find a comfortable way to hold the phone which allows me to single-handedly thumb navigate and type like I could on my old HTC Vogue. I think the issue (and it's the same for most of the candy-bar smartphones) is that the menu buttons and keyboard live at the bottom of the screen, which occupies most of the phone's length. When I grip the phone high enough so that it's not at risk of falling out of my hand, my thumb can't comfortably reach down to the bottom of the screen. If I turn the phone upside down - so the business end is near my fingers instead of the heel of my hand - I can reach the menu buttons AND the soft keyboard quite easily. The only problems with this are that everything is upside-down on the screen and the hard buttons, etc. are in the wrong place. Does anyone know of an alternate keyboard, or a way to configure an existing keyboard so that it lives at the top of the screen instead of the bottom? I can't imagine that there isn't a single implementation either by a third-party or by a handset manufacturer.
Thanks.
I've not been using the S-Pen the way i thought i would. The reason for it is because i often have problems that my palm accidently touched the notification bar or that my hand triggers a gesture set in GMD Gesturecontrol.
So what i'm looking for is a way for the device to register if the s-pen is near the screen and then deactivate gestures or even go full screen so i can't hit the notificationbar.
Has anyone found a App that can do something like that.
I know there are Apps that give a trigger for when the s-pen is detached, but i'm often holding the pen and still use my fingers for pressing buttons, so i'm not looking for that.
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I've not been using the S-Pen the way i thought i would. The reason for it is because i often have problems that my palm accidently touched the notification bar or that my hand triggers a gesture set in GMD Gesturecontrol.
So what i'm looking for is a way for the device to register if the s-pen is near the screen and then deactivate gestures or even go full screen so i can't hit the notificationbar.
Has anyone found a App that can do something like that.
I know there are Apps that give a trigger for when the s-pen is detached, but i'm often holding the pen and still use my fingers for pressing buttons, so i'm not looking for that.
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i thought that the Note 10.1 itself disable finger touchs when the s-pen is near the screen, isn't it @@
I thought so too, however, when holding the pen near the screen gestures still work.
Hello, I am trying to get familiar with this device and those S-pen enabled apps. How does palm rejection really work? It seems that if the pen touches the screen first and then I rest my palm on the screen, there is no marks made by my palm. If I put my palm on it first, depending on the settings, sometimes my palm leaves some marks.
While using the handwriting feature, I often hit the large space bar by mistake. Any way to avoid this while resting the writing hand on the screen?
There's subtle nuances in terms of performance of rejection of stray touches depending on the application that you're in. Some apps handle it better than others.
For example, in Action Memo as you lay hour hand down to start writing with the stylus it may leave a stray mark. Experiment with this by having the first touch of your hand be your knuckle of your pinky. Drag your knuckle across a little before bringing the tip of the pen to the screen. That stray mark stays there when you're done with your writing with the stylus.
Now repeat the same test in S-Note with finger input enabled. Again practice the motion of keeping your knuckle on the screen and dragging, then bringing the pen to the screen. Notice anything different? As long as you haven't lifted your knuckle, S-Note deletes the stray line the moment the pen gets close. Any marks you've made prior to the pen getting close to the screen stay there however.
The point being that the answer isn't as straighforward as you might think. Here we have two examples of two applications made by the same developer (at least you would THINK its the same developer) yet they act completely different. When writing with these devices one has to be deliberate in when and how they bring their hand and pen to the screen. With practice this becomes second nature though. It definitely helps when note taking apps have the ability to ignore finger input.
With regards to your problem with the handwriting recognition pad used for text input . . I'm with you there. The location of that space bar and all the other buttons is mindbogglingly stupid. They should be located above your palm. IMO what we have here is a classic example of the porting of a function that was developed for phones held in your hand (whereby you do not need to rest your hand on the phone) to a tablet without realizing that the usage of the function would be different on the new hardware.
Hi... using styli on tablets is new for me, and some general guidance would be appreciated.... I'm looking for palm rejection solutions for Samsung Tab devices that (unlike touchscreentune) don't require rooting.
We have some of these Notier styli in-house, and certainly they provide a very nice writing experience, except of course that S Note doesn't have palm rejection so the stylus can't be used for note taking.
A Microsoft Surface 3 will arrive later today, and it has a resistive screen, Wacom stylus and palm rejection, so that should work well. But we'd like to use cheaper Tab devices as well.
Our applications are general note taking (instead of legal pads) and also annotating medical images.
Just my opinion here but the perception that palm rejection is not present is not a black and white thing. Rejection of stray input has more to do with touch sensor type of the device, the application used and the way the device is used within the application in question as opposed to a device itself not having palm rejection support.
Take a capacitive sensor based screen for example, where the user holding a capacitive stylus in hand and he/she brings the hand down to rest on the surface to begin writing. For a brief moment some other part or parts of the hand/wrist are going to contact the screen prior to the tip of the capacitive stylus. Without any other means of knowing how to interpret these inputs the software is going to have to consider registering them somehow. As long as these points of contact don't move significantly before movement of the stylus tip begins the application that is active can then make sense of what is going on and begin to reject the touch inputs from everything but the stylus tip. This is how "palm rejection" works. All touch input has to be evaluated and then the application decides what is input and what isnt.
IMO devices with active stylus support are always going to have an advantage when it comes to "palm rejection" in that software applications can be written in such a way as to completely ignore capacitive touch when the pen is in range of the screen. LectureNotes app for example can be set to completely ignore finger touches for writing operations and I'm sure this is not the only application that can do this. That isn't to say that this is a global feature that ALL apps inherently have, but rather it is a feature available to developers based upon how they implement things. Devices limited to capacitive stylus support only will always be at a disadvantage because the device will not perceive a difference between the tip of a stylus and a finger.
Aloha...
Yes, that's right... the application needs to work with the touch screen driver to reject inputs that aren't useful.
With the Samsung Tab Pro 12.2, resting one's palm on the screen completely disables the ability to write with a stylus (using S-Note), so it's pretty much hopeless, at least using S-Note. S-Note is nicely integrated with Evernote...
Will give LectureNotes a try. It mentions being "usable" with Samsung Tab products, so let's see if it can reject palm pressure.
Palm Rejection just means you don't smudge your drawing/writing with your palm whilst resting it on the screen.
Remember how you used to get a black palm from the ink as a kid, and your whole paper was covered in smudges? That.
It is not a 'Disable Touch Input' feature. It does not disable touch, it does not disable the buttons, and it does not restrict input to the Pen only.
If you're rooted, this is an option: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmd.spencontrol
I'm trying to unlock my phone by just clicking on the home button and holding my thumb there (for the fingerprint sensor), but almost every time it doesn't read the fingerprint and I have to lift my thumb and place it back down to scan. I know it's a minor issue but I'm wondering if anyone else has had this problem and if you've managed to figure it out. Thanks
Read one thumb several times in fp settings
For me it helped a lot.
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Put your finger on the scanner and wake up with the power button. For me it seems to be the movement caused by the pressing down of the home button that confuses the scanner. If the finger moves just the slightest bit during reading, then it must be lifted and put down again.
Holding the phone with one hand and pressing the home button with the finger on the other hand also works as you can press down and hold the finger more still that way. It is the one hand wake up and leaving the finger on the scanner that almost always fails for me.
The fastest one hand way for me is to quickly press the home button, lift the finger and then put it down again. This way you can be sure the finger is not moving across the scanner as it is read.
I don't know, maybe it's me, but i always feel like there is a moment of frustration when i have to turn the device on.
On my mate 9 I literally picked up the device and easily touched the fingerprint sensor which is placed away from anywhere else and obvious to find. Bang, it's on. On this device OMG it's so freaking frustrating, whether I have e a case or not. I'm always fiddling around trying to find it.
If i want to use face or Iris, it's two steps. First I have elto find the power button and then switch it on, then stuff this thing in front of my face. Also annoying, never that quick and obtrusive if you are with other people, . If I'm in the car at a red light, and there's any movement it often takes a few seconds. Really annoying.
If I'm in a meeting and I want to quickly check something i have to find the power button and them use a pin or pattern. Again, front fingerprint sensor is better for that.
The always on would be better served if it could double tap to wake, then when on a table at least i could check for messages without ping up the phone.
All in all I'm finding it frustrating. Or is it just me.
I agree completely. I'm forever forgetting that picking up the device doesn't just turn it on and that I have to press the button. Does anyone know of an easier way to wake the device so all I have to do is tap the fingerprint sensor?
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I don't know, maybe it's me, but i always feel like there is a moment of frustration when i have to turn the device on.
On my mate 9 I literally picked up the device and easily touched the fingerprint sensor which is placed away from anywhere else and obvious to find. Bang, it's on. On this device OMG it's so freaking frustrating, whether I have e a case or not. I'm always fiddling around trying to find it.
If i want to use face or Iris, it's two steps. First I have elto find the power button and then switch it on, then stuff this thing in front of my face. Also annoying, never that quick and obtrusive if you are with other people, . If I'm in the car at a red light, and there's any movement it often takes a few seconds. Really annoying.
If I'm in a meeting and I want to quickly check something i have to find the power button and them use a pin or pattern. Again, front fingerprint sensor is better for that.
The always on would be better served if it could double tap to wake, then when on a table at least i could check for messages without ping up the phone.
All in all I'm finding it frustrating. Or is it just me.
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One thing I did find is that if you set up the fingerprint scanner, that touching the fingerprint scanner immediately unlocks and turns on the device.
Iris scanner not a problem for me at all, I set the virtual home button force press to activate it straight away, power button or home button doubletap lets me see my notifications without activating the iris scanner. I always hold my phone in the angle that the iris scanner works in, so it usually takes less than one second to go from screen off to home screen, with the iris scanner and force-touch combo. But everyone has different ways of using their devices, so a non-issue for me might be a big issue for someone else
I turned off the always on display. Less frustrating!
Is there a way to make power go on when you pick k up the device?
When AOD is on you can just double tap the home button to wake the device. Just an fyi
ekerbuddyeker said:
I don't know, maybe it's me, but i always feel like there is a moment of frustration when i have to turn the device on.
On my mate 9 I literally picked up the device and easily touched the fingerprint sensor which is placed away from anywhere else and obvious to find. Bang, it's on. On this device OMG it's so freaking frustrating, whether I have e a case or not. I'm always fiddling around trying to find it.
If i want to use face or Iris, it's two steps. First I have elto find the power button and then switch it on, then stuff this thing in front of my face. Also annoying, never that quick and obtrusive if you are with other people, . If I'm in the car at a red light, and there's any movement it often takes a few seconds. Really annoying.
If I'm in a meeting and I want to quickly check something i have to find the power button and them use a pin or pattern. Again, front fingerprint sensor is better for that.
The always on would be better served if it could double tap to wake, then when on a table at least i could check for messages without ping up the phone.
All in all I'm finding it frustrating. Or is it just me.
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Yep it is just you, you a a special kind.
Iris scanner works for me driving in the dark when phone is mounted on my magnetic windshield mount. Took a while to get the placement right tho but rest assured-iris is wonderful it just takes trial and error
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For the first few hours I was regretting upgrading. Now I could never go back. It just takes getting used to.
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The issue for me with the read scanner is the stupid placement. i constantly have to tap it twice because to hit it the first time i have to kinda slide my finger across the back to find it, then lift off and press down again to activate it. It would be a lot better if i didnt need to lift and press again, then if it didnt read it when i slide my finger over it into position (because it has tried to read it before my finger was properly over the scanner), then it would read it 5ms later when it was actually in the correct place. instead it fails to read it and i need to lift my finger off it before it will try again.
The second issue for me is even bigger, if phone is sitting on the desk, there is no quick easy way to unlock it. i cant get to the fingerprint scanner, and to use the iris scanner i would have to stand up and move my head over the top of the desk. so the only option without picking the thing up is to activate it with a hard home button press and then type in the pin. if the fingerprint scanner was on the front, then it would be perfect, just put my finger on it and its done.
The only thing keeping me sane at the moment is that I just came from an S5 where the only way to unlock it was home key, THEN swipe away the stupid false second lock screen, THEN entering pin/pattern. Even hitting the fingerprint scanner wrongly a couple of times is still so much faster than unlocking my s5 was but this could have been so much better if it was on the front (or one the back in a sensible place like slightly below the camera and in the middle.
Sounds like you guys need to change some settings.
MY phone is fast and easy. Pick it up and put my finger on the fingerprint sensor and im at the home screen.
Press power button and the iris picks up right away and im at the home screen.
To start off make sure you setup your iris scanner good. Make sure your in well lite lighting and the front camera is clean and clear.
Second in your settings under Lock Screen > Iris Sensor > Iris Unlock ON , Iris unlock when screen turns on ON,
Then for finger print the same thing. Fingerprint Scanner > Fingerprint unlock ON
I find it easier just use the fingerprint sensor or the virtual home button. When the phone's off, you can just put your whole fingertip on the sensor and it automatically unlocks (if it verifies you print properly). Also the virtual home button works when the screen's off. you can hold the home button when the screen's off, then choose your unlock method. Other than that it's a pain to press the power button, then use the fingerprint sensor or pattern unlock.
I bounce between fingerprint and facial recognition. It's taking some getting used to but it isn't that bad.
You can also set it to just use force touch to unlock the phone
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Quick tip, In display settings -> navigation bar -> enable home press to unlock.
Found that by doing this its so much quicker accessing the iris scanner or going straight to pin/pattern screen.
In case you didn't know, you can press the home button when the screen is off [yes, you can totally press it when the screen if off!]
Phone is super fast for me. Scanner could be in a better postion but it works fine. Also try out smart lock. It let you trust certain places and not have to use anything to unlock.
I haven't had issues turning on the phone, but if you have the AOD on, it is a lil annoying since you have to press the home button on the screen with some pressure before you go to the lock screen, especially if you use anything else, besides the fingerprint sensor as it will unlock while being on the AOD, to unlock you phone.
I will say that setting up the fingerprint scanner is slightly annoying since if your finger isn't on there just right, it'll give you an error. After it's setup, I've found that it works pretty well. And, if you use a case on your phone, thicker cases might be a slight problem. I noticed that while locating the sensor is easier with a case, thicker case, like the Spigen Slim Armor, will be harder because of the added lip.