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my contract is almost up and im thinking of changing my phone. I currently have an HTC S710 Vox and I can honestly say its been the best phone ive ever owned by a long way. Now im thinking of replacing and I wondered what people thought of the new handsets coming onto the market.
What I Like :
Its a smartphone, before anything else this is a phone and does what a phone should do. I like having a front keyboard and I like being able to text onhanded when im on the move. If im honest i never use the slideout keyboard. Windows mobile 6.1 is excellent and with the newer faster ROMS works smoothly - push email syncing to exchange make this a killer device.
what it lacks :
The camera is poor -ideally a 3.2megpixel with autofocus should be the minimum
3g support
Its a tad bulky
GPS is a nice to have but not essential
So what i want is a smartphone that adds the missing functionality (mainly a good camera) and possibly removes the qwerty keyboard to reduce bulk.
The new Sony X1 and Samsung Omnia seem to tick many boxes - but I lose the front keyboard which for me keeps it a real phone and not a pda hybrid.
What are your thoughts - what are my options ?
(i crossposted this in the main smartphone thread because I thought it was relevant discussion in both places - sorry if you have seen it twice)
I'm looking forward to the HP Oak, same form factor as the Vox but with a flush front touch screen.
If not that, then the E71 or HTC Touch Pro will be my next device.
I'm almost due for a new phone as well and my biggest options are TYTNII or Touch Pro.
Recently been looking at the Samsung i570 or i620. Too bad they are only tri-band, what is up with that. The i570 would be a buy for me since it has WiFi, but not being quad is a real damper.
Well, for those that have owned both, think it's worth the upgrade/change from a tilt to a fuze?
I only got Fuze because I broke my Tilt. If Tilt was still working I don't think I would have upgraded for $500 (full price since I did not use my upgrade)
If there was a Black Friday sale and Fuze was $150~$200, then I would have upgraded even if I had Titl just for the VGA screen.
With the VGA screen I can use LogMeIn and access servers and computers I manage from anywhere.
It was possible with QVGA as well but it was very hard to get around the screen.
Same boat. I lost my Tilt 2 weeks ago and needed a new phone. I only paid 350 because I was due for a new contract.
I like the Fuze but there are a few items I liked on my Tilt.
1. I miss all the buttons. I am slowly getting used to TouchFlo but I REALLY used Start menu, cammera and Email buttons a lot.
2. I keep trying to Tilt my Fuze I guess I miss that too.
3. Biggest one for me - The Fuze REALLY does attract finger prints. I have to keep a silk cloth with me at all times.
4. Having problems with tethering. I think I have it resolved though.
5. Windows Live doesn't seem to work very well and I use it for hotmail.
Now- Things that I like-
1. Form factor is great!
2. VGA screen is great.
3. Software that comes bundled is pretty decent.
4. Flush screen does make touch more usefull
5. BIGGEST item for me is you can now add device as mass storage and copy files (mp3s) over quickly without using active synch.
6. The FM radio (once enabled) is pretty cool. Pretty good quality.
In my opinion it is a great phone, I like it more every day. I will admit the first few hours I wish I had purchased another Tilt. Slowly, I am convinced I made the right decision to upgrade.
From a dev/hardware point of view:
the Good:
a high dpi, true transflective screen (instead of Kaiser's crappy transmissive) that puts it on par with my Sony VAIO x-brite screen
auto-backlight so you don't have to walk outside and then fumble around a washed out screen to find the brightness controls
backlight nicely fades in and out
working OpenGL-ES drivers that survives suspend
flush screen that makes touch-interface easier to use
higher feedback into the earpiece during phone calls so you can hear how loud you're speaking
storage-mode usb (and it's usb 2.0 high-speed too instead of the fake usb 2.0 full-speed of Kaiser) with menu selection much like SonyEricsson z750
volume setting button that works more smoothly
much nicer (iPhone-like) phone UI
magnetic stylus holder so it's harder to fling/lose it
the Bad:
missing a lot of useful controls such as camera, scroll-wheel, windows key
smart-touch (circle scrolling) doesn't work with most apps, nor even the OS menus so gimmicky
smart-touch zooming with Opera is pretty bad because zoom resolves too slowly
auto-rotation of screen by accelerometer gimmicky and can't be disabled esp if you want to read while lying down
Java (jbed) still BROKEN (since the WM6.1 update) where it gets confused if it's the active app or not and you have to bounce between Today and Java before java starts responding to touch/buttons again
D3D is still shipped with illegal and broken test-rig driver. Have to apply d3d_ati.dll patch to get it decently working (affects Opera since it uses DirectDraw).
still ships with .NETCF 2.0. Have to update to 3.5 and apply .net configurator before Schap's Advanced Config 3.3 will work.
HSDPA forced off. Need a new variation of KaiserSimFix to fix it so it survives soft-reset.
keyboard is a bit cramped compared to Kaiser, but you got a lot more fn-less keys
auto-backlight doesn't range down to the lowest backlight level so too bright in a dark room
GPS is broken is some way (without fiddling with TeleNav) so that AGPS just causes multiple gps-disconnects, and agps-less locks take something like 2-3 minutes longer than Kaiser
finger-print magnet
eats a lot more ram (90M+B resident instead of Kaiser's 40MB+)
24 resident apps running all the time and very close to the 32 limit of wince
This is basically the "Kaiser" that should've been released last year instead of that huge foobar the Kaiser is.
I will have mine within a few hours. It got delivered to my door at noon and I am excited to see what it has in store..... I will also try and comment on the two.
I'm not sold yet. I got the Fuze on Monday, I agree with you and espically the fingerpring magnet. WEW... I'm now playing around with my Tilt and trying to decide. I have so many acces. for my Tilt. And I don't see that much of a difference between the 2 of them as far as programs. I love the build of the Tilt, far better then the Fuze, and I still have 8 months on my warranty for the Tilt, Just got in July. And using TF2 it's pretty much the same. Well decide.
For me, I had a custom rom on the Tilt w/ TF2D and I have a custom rom on the Fuze w/ TF3D. The Fuze is much smoother interface, faster, the eye candy is amusing, programs launch faster.
Also, contrary to what I've been reading, my GPS locks on extremely fast with Google Maps but will not work at all with Live Search. In GM it locks in in under 5 seconds, on like 9 satellites.
Oh yea, and my Tilt broke but I was eligible for an upgrade so I bought another one on 10/17, and returned it within my 30 days and paid the $50 difference to get the Fuze.
My GPS seems to lock pretty quick as well with google maps but have not tried live. I just recently ordered a Zagg invisible shield which should solve the fingerprint issue. But overall it's seems faster then my tilt all around and am pretty happy I switched although I paid full price since I wasted my upgrade on an iPhone.
I got my Fuze for $300, and sold my Tilt for $250, so it was a no brainer. So far, I have many more pros than cons. The screen resolution alone was worth the upgrade.
Speed and response seem about the same as my tilt (I had a hyperdragon rom w/manilla)
Touchflo 3D is pretty spiffy, but not that much better than manilla 2d on the tilt. I like that the Fuze is smaller, and feels much more sturdy, also the screen is flush so no more trapped dirt around the screen edges. Everyone cries about the fingerprints, but you can easily wipe the phone off, its not that big of deal.
I'm still getting used to the new keyboard, but I do like it better.
The fact that there are less buttons on the Fuze is a bummer, but not a deal breaker. I do actually miss the screen tilt, and the solid back plate. If your typing on the keyboard while the phone is laying on a table it tends to rock back and forth.
I had no problems using the GPS with Live search. The fact that there is a ton of ATT crapware on the phone can be fixed with a ROM flash later on.
The G-sensor is fun to play with, but so far really not very usefull.
I haven't tried much testing yet, but so far video playback seems much better.
Overall I would say I'm happy I got the Fuze, and I don't miss my Tilt.
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From a dev/hardware point of view:
D3D is still shipped with illegal and broken test-rig driver. Have to apply d3d_ati.dll patch to get it decently working (affects Opera since it uses DirectDraw).
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I've tried that patch and I see no diference in Opera/OS landscape mode. Same poor redraw (videos).
Just got my fuze... Looks great, except I miss the "tilt" and scroll wheel of the tilt. But the advantages of the fuze are too great and many (Besides, may still get the Omnia with the vga screen from Korea.). PLUS, after only 1 years worth of use, the fake chrome on the buttons is wearing off. Or else I'd get a new tilt for my daughter-- she loves the tilting screen, and doesn't care about the "extras".
So after a full day of use I would agree that the Fuze is a better phone. I still have the crappy AT&T bloatware on it still, but like the performance over the tilt. The graphics are superior, and has more opportunity than the tilt. My only issues(that will take time to get used to):
-navigation buttons
-volume up/down on the side. When you try to increase it, it tries to slide the keyboard open.
-Fingerprint magnet, but just wipe it off on my shirt.
Other than those small issues, this phone is far superior in my mind and is worth the upgrade.
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Well, for those that have owned both, think it's worth the upgrade/change from a tilt to a fuze?
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I strongly suggest the upgrade.. It's better to get used to the Fuze before other similar HTC Phones come out. (YES, THERE IS LEARNING CURVE.. I've owned my Fuze for 3 days now and I'm so glad i got rid of it)
I'm not sure about you, but the biggest factor that killed it for me on the Tilt was it's vga video card
The Fuze's VGA is Excellent.. It's like it has a mini HD 2400 XT video card in it.. It's very crisp and something I did not expect. Touch Flo is awesome, better than an IPhone 3G's touch screen. Get it as soon as possible
Come on, the Fuze touchscreen or any other is not better than the iphone. I've tried my share of touchscreens. Apple has that nailed. That being said I think the Fuze is a nice upgrade over the Tilt.
The screen is nice but so far I'm not wow-ed enough by it to convince me to keep the Fuze over the Tilt.
I miss the easier to use slideout keyboard of the Tilt. The Fuze buttons are smaller and placed strangely...why put the FN immediately to the left of the A? Stupid.
No soft keys. No camera key. Had to remap the Home button to NOT go to the today screen but instead do Windows Start. Hated the bloatware. Hate TouchFlo. Immediately removed all that crap to make the Fuze more useable. Don't like Opera and with the AT&T customizations, it defaults to Opera over PIE...yuck.
sp44 said:
Come on, the Fuze touchscreen or any other is not better than the iphone. I've tried my share of touchscreens. Apple has that nailed. That being said I think the Fuze is a nice upgrade over the Tilt.
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Totally agree, I've had the Iphone and my Partner has the 3G Iphone, can't touch the Touch Screen on the Iphone, shame it's more for fun then work. LOL
sp44 said:
Come on, the Fuze touchscreen or any other is not better than the iphone. I've tried my share of touchscreens. Apple has that nailed. That being said I think the Fuze is a nice upgrade over the Tilt.
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I don't miss my iPhone touchscreen at all. The multi-touch functionality of the iPhone screen was nice but the only thing I ever used it for was zooming in and out of webpages and the scrollwheel of the Fuze is a nice replacement for that functionality.
And I'm frequently using my phone outside in cold weather so being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus makes the Fuze screen superior IMO. Plus, with the Fuze I can edit the registry to adjsut the touch sensitivity and I don't think you can do that with the iPhone.
trjons said:
The screen is nice but so far I'm not wow-ed enough by it to convince me to keep the Fuze over the Tilt.
I miss the easier to use slideout keyboard of the Tilt. The Fuze buttons are smaller and placed strangely...why put the FN immediately to the left of the A? Stupid.
No soft keys. No camera key. Had to remap the Home button to NOT go to the today screen but instead do Windows Start. Hated the bloatware. Hate TouchFlo. Immediately removed all that crap to make the Fuze more useable. Don't like Opera and with the AT&T customizations, it defaults to Opera over PIE...yuck.
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Totally agree. I've had mine since Monday, and have finally decided just not good enough over the Tilt, espically as I have 8 months left on the warranty and all the asscs I have brought for it.. I've gotten to really enjoy TF2 and I feel the Fuze is not as fast as the Tilt. Just my opion. There's a phone and mine is the Tilt. After all the sleep I lost over the Fuze and now I'm taking it back. LOL well unless someone wants it for 300.00.
Beachboyde
trjons said:
The screen is nice but so far I'm not wow-ed enough by it to convince me to keep the Fuze over the Tilt.
I miss the easier to use slideout keyboard of the Tilt. The Fuze buttons are smaller and placed strangely...why put the FN immediately to the left of the A? Stupid.
No soft keys. No camera key. Had to remap the Home button to NOT go to the today screen but instead do Windows Start. Hated the bloatware. Hate TouchFlo. Immediately removed all that crap to make the Fuze more useable. Don't like Opera and with the AT&T customizations, it defaults to Opera over PIE...yuck.
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Yikes, sounds like someone needs an old Palm device J/k, to each their own.
I have had the Fuze for a half day and want to put it through it's 30 days before deciding but so far I love it. Can't really judge battery life cause it hasn't left my had for about 5 hours and is down to 30% but in a normal day my Tilt never saw that usage either so we'll see.
beachboyde
i'll buy if you'll ship it to Europe
What do you think?
There aren't much changes compare to the HTC Touch Pro... It's a real turn off for me. I don't even feel like I want to change phone.
- Different Design (I prefer the diamond back cover)
- The Tilt is back (YAY!).
- Bigger Screen, 3.6" instead of 2.8", and it's thinner
- It's Heavier than the HTC Touch Pro
- Processor "Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz" Instead of "Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz" (Same Speed thou)
- Memory and RAM are the same (Disappointed)
- Faster Download Speed, Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz (no America yet, but I'm sure they will come up with something)
- Camera is the same (so disappointed)
I was so eager to change phone from the Tilt to Touch Pro, but not to this phone... Except for the bigger Screen. The Good new is the phone seem to be cheap. So is it time to sell my Fuze yet?
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And additionnaly, there's no more D-PAD.
That's the same reason why I didn't go for the Touch HD.
I don't understand this "everything touch" trend.
I love the touchscreen, but I like being able to use the D-PAD for gaming, scrolling through list items and then "right clicking" an item, etc.
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And additionnaly, there's no more D-PAD.
That's the same reason why I didn't go for the Touch HD.
I don't understand this "everything touch" trend.
I love the touchscreen, but I like being able to use the D-PAD for gaming, scrolling through list items and then "right clicking" an item, etc.
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x2.
I hate not having a D-Pad. What if I don't want to smudge up my screen? A D-pad is a must-have for me.
I replaced an iPhone and a Tilt with a Touch Pro (Fuze) and I *really* miss the larger screen of the iPhone and the ability to tilt the screen. From everything I've read, I will be buying a TP2 as soon as it's available in the US for less than a fortune. Slingplayer will look fabulous on it, I'm sure.
The "everything touch" trend is real easy to understand. iPhone. Period. If it wasn't for Apple, I'd probably have gotten a new one instead of opting for a Fuze. But since Apple insists on treating iPhone users as if they're retarded, I moved on.
I love the bigger screen design but would miss the D-pad, love the tilt (but it is another thing to break) but i dont like the lack of new features (camera the same, same processor speed, same ram, same memory???) seems like they are tryin to pull a iPhone 3G on us... same phone minor improvements
How well do you suppose the camera will function? Do you think we will be able to learn anything from the Touch Pro 2 camera code/functionality that will help us improve the original Touch Pro camera?
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- Camera is the same (so disappointed)
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camera is not exactly the same as it wont have a flash, even more disappointing.
the tilting screen is a great thing, as i really miss the tilting screen of the tilt (kaiser)
Not worth it for me...
For me it's simple...
SAME camera (with no 30fps video)
+ SAME processor speed
+ SAME RAM
+ NO enhanced graphics
+ NO fixed GPS lag
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Waste of $$$
Even when and IF they come out with a US 3G model, my money will be staying in my wallet.
And it's stil on WM6.1, so disapointed.
I'm getting bore of my Fuze, I want to change to a new phone, but there isn't any good reason for me to do so... I'm so bored
For me, the return of the tilt screen and a large screen itself make it worth my money. The camera is nothing to me, I use a real camera anyway. What price marks are we seeing for this phone?
While I appreciate the bigger screen, I am not sure how responsive the device would be with higher resolution and same processor since we all know HTC doesn't believe in video acceleration / drivers in business phones.
TP2 is the reason my TP will live longer in my pocket, plus I am looking for other brands (AGAIN).
WHERE IS MY D-PAD!?
...and why limit it to 3.2MP when every other model has 5?
...and where is the flash!?
No thanks.
KevinACrider said:
For me, the return of the tilt screen and a large screen itself make it worth my money. The camera is nothing to me, I use a real camera anyway. What price marks are we seeing for this phone?
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I don't care much about camera either, but I care a lot about the speed. However, i agreed with you for the big screen...
Anyway, to answer your question about the price, this website is selling it for $750, which I think it's reasonable for a new phone. Check before you buy, I think it only works for Europe and Asia so far.
The bigger screen and the Tilt feature are big pluses for me, but the lack of D-pad is just weird. Also, I have a strong feeling that 2009 and 2010 will reveal alot of amazing devices from other manufacturers...plus HTC might release somethign else that is better. I currently have a Fuze and I think I will just wait. I want to see how WM7 pans out. I sold my iPhone for $400 and I'm saving the money for something that really deserves it. If I still had my Tilt, I would probably upgrade to the TP2, but from a Fuze to a TP2 doesn't make much sense to me.
Well...HTC lost me on this TP2. Not this time...
I honestly like the first Touch Pro more. I don't like the roundedness...I prefer sharp angles. It looks too fat lol.
I love the new Tilt design, it looks more tilted, but I personally prefer the diamond sharp on the back of my Fuze. And the USB slot look too UGLY, it's just coming out too much. I take back what I said about the Camera, I do use the camera on my device a lot lately, mostly because of the fast upload to Facebook.
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Seeing the big screen on this youtube, really make me want it now
Gimme your advice about the D-PAD problem : what do you use instead of it, for example for gaming and so on ? I mean, if you want to control some game emulator, do you use on screen buttons ? As the current devices are not multitouch (I don't want to speak about some well known IwannabeaPHONE), i don't think these are suitable for proper gaming.
Maybe the simple answer is "I don't use my device for gaming...".
What do you think ?
"Some" emulator programs allow onscreen virtual Dpads... but without multitouch, you'll be unable to simultaneously press onscreen buttons.
All games are different though. Some are simply point and click games which don't require a dpad. Others work well without a Dpad.
Most games will flat out be impossible to use.
I came from the Samsung Epix with its Optical Dpad/Mouse... to the Fuze for the Dpad. I later found that the Dpad isn't really a Dpad... but a touchscreen with optical sensors (which is why the Dpad on the fuze sucks; but at least it is a functioning dpad).
I swore my next phone will have a physical dpad and a jog wheel.
player911 said:
I swore my next phone will have a physical dpad and a jog wheel.
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I'm surprised how few WM devices have a jog wheel; my last one was a FSC Loox 720 and a jog wheel was one of its major positive points back then. It hardly seems like it would be an expensive or difficult control to add, but I guess it's not free and so there's something for HTC to gain by not including one.
I also prefer the diamond back of the Touch Pro, not that the Vario IV has it anyway though (not clear why they had to change that).
I've been researching about this for a while now and the longer I think about which to get, the more confusing it is. I would like to solicit inputs from this forum regarding the pros and cons of each.
The differences between each is relatively minor, which makes it even harder to make a choice.
So far these are the significant features of each handset for me:
HTC Touch Pro
- 2.8-inch screen with VGA resolution
- Five-row QWERTY keyboard
- Has directional-pad
SE XPERIA X1
- 3.0-inch screen with WVGA resolution
- 3.5mm audio jack
- Four-row QWERTY keyboard
- Optical trackpad
HTC Touch Pro2
- 3.6-inch screen with WVGA resolution
- Five-row QWERTY keyboard
- No directional-pad
- Tilting screen (but doesn't the hinge get loose after a while?)
I was also looking at the Touch HD but it did not have a physical tactile QWERTY. I know it does have a big onscreen keyboard but I feel like I will still be longing for something with tactile response after a while.
Another question with regards to these slide-out QWERTY phones is that, does the slide mechanism stay tight for a long time? I've seen videos and these phones use spring-loaded slide-out mechanisms. Anybody ever have them go loose after some time?
Is the directional-pad really that big of a deal with Windows Mobile phones? Is it used in order to avoid taking out the stylus? I've searched around the web and see that many people are complaining about the removal of the d-pad with some models.
As for WVGA and VGA, is there a big enough difference to really go for WVGA?
I may have missed some key differences between these models. If yes, do kindly point them out. As far as I can tell, the hardware specifications of the ones I am looking for are pretty much the same (i.e. processor, RAM/ROM, 3G, GPS, WiFi, etc.)
I would buy the TouchPro2!
I have got the Kaiser (also with the tilt screen) and the tilting/sliding mechanism is out of metal and its working perfect till today after nearly 1 and a half year
On the Kaiser (320x240) I nearly never use the stylus, If I press on the screen with my finger I hit the point I wont
The D-Pad I never user more or less I like to use the wheel at the side which is much more comfortable and when I need some more buttons everything is on the full qwertz keyboard.
But I recognized I type faster with TouchPal on screenkeyboard (with suggestions) than with the hardware keyboard. The hardwarekeyboard never the less is nice for games and emulator
And of cause WVGA / VGA is a big difference 800x480/640x480
no brainer...wait for HTC Touch Pro2!
I would certainly wait for the Touch Pro2. First, it will be the newest HTC device, so it will have official support for a long time to come. Secondly, the tilting screen is very nice to have, especially if you use the device for media. As you can see from my signature, I have a Kaiser, and I love its tilting screen. And the hinge on my Kaiser has barely weakened, if at all. In addition, watch this and this, and you'll see why this phone looks so nice.
Dave
Get a x1 or wait for the pro 2. i got a x1 and its a lot better than the pro but need to wait and see on the pro 2. they have the same specs but i dont like the hindge .on the screen, think u will have problems with that after a while
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I would buy the TouchPro2!
I have got the Kaiser (also with the tilt screen) and the tilting/sliding mechanism is out of metal and its working perfect till today after nearly 1 and a half year
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Do you always tilt the screen up?
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On the Kaiser (320x240) I nearly never use the stylus, If I press on the screen with my finger I hit the point I wont
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Then it would be much easier on the HTC Touch phones since they use the TouchFLO interface.
scilor said:
The D-Pad I never user more or less I like to use the wheel at the side which is much more comfortable and when I need some more buttons everything is on the full qwertz keyboard.
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Thing is, the Kaiser is the only one with the wheel on the side. Everything else either has a D-Pad or no D-Pad.
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But I recognized I type faster with TouchPal on screenkeyboard (with suggestions) than with the hardware keyboard. The hardwarekeyboard never the less is nice for games and emulator
And of cause WVGA / VGA is a big difference 800x480/640x480
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I honestly am fine with using an on-screen keyboard, but not for a very long time. I've used PocketPC's before and I just seemingly long for a tactile QWERTY keyboard after a while.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Secondly, the tilting screen is very nice to have, especially if you use the device for media. As you can see from my signature, I have a Kaiser, and I love its tilting screen. And the hinge on my Kaiser has barely weakened, if at all. In addition, watch this and this, and you'll see why this phone looks so nice.
Dave
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How long have you been using your Kaiser? Do you always tilt the screen up?
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Get a x1 or wait for the pro 2. i got a x1 and its a lot better than the pro but need to wait and see on the pro 2.
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A lot better than the HTC Touch Pro in what aspects? The QWERTY on the Touch Pro wins since it has the additional numeric row.
Can you please explain?
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they have the same specs but i dont like the hindge .on the screen, think u will have problems with that after a while
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As far as the hinge on the Touch Pro2 is concerned, I honestly won't be tilting it that much (I think).
X1 is the better one now and will be loads cheaper than the TP2. However, if price isn't an issue go with the TP2.
Wait for TP2!!!
I´ll go for it also!
for me, the x1 is the perfect size--I dont like my phones with big faces like the iphone
the x1 has a better screen, looks better.
the keyboard does only have 4 rows on the x1 but the keyboard itself is a lot better in looks and feel.
there is a thread somewhere in the forum (search for it). it has a poll of all the htc devices which one people prefer and the x1 is well in front so its not just me.
as far as pro 2 goes, i would have to play with a live model to give u a honest answer. cant see how people can recommend a hanset that not even out yet. although unlikely it might run like **** and be rubbish, so wait till they have live sets in a shop near u and have a play with one when its out before buying.
Another note on the HTC Touch Pro.
It's the only one with a scroll wheel. Are all the buttons on the Touch Pro non-tactile?
It depends on where you are located. If you are in the USA and not on T-Mobile, get the X1A. If you are on Tmo, wait for the TP2. I had a Touch Pro(Fuze) and while it was a nice unit, I am much happier with the Xperia here in the US on AT&T. If you are not in the USA, get the Xperia or the TP2.
Later..........
blued888 said:
I've been researching about this for a while now and the longer I think about which to get, the more confusing it is. I would like to solicit inputs from this forum regarding the pros and cons of each.
The differences between each is relatively minor, which makes it even harder to make a choice.
So far these are the significant features of each handset for me:
HTC Touch Pro
- 2.8-inch screen with VGA resolution
- Five-row QWERTY keyboard
- Has directional-pad
SE XPERIA X1
- 3.0-inch screen with WVGA resolution
- 3.5mm audio jack
- Four-row QWERTY keyboard
- Optical trackpad
HTC Touch Pro2
- 3.6-inch screen with WVGA resolution
- Five-row QWERTY keyboard
- No directional-pad
- Tilting screen (but doesn't the hinge get loose after a while?)
I was also looking at the Touch HD but it did not have a physical tactile QWERTY. I know it does have a big onscreen keyboard but I feel like I will still be longing for something with tactile response after a while.
Another question with regards to these slide-out QWERTY phones is that, does the slide mechanism stay tight for a long time? I've seen videos and these phones use spring-loaded slide-out mechanisms. Anybody ever have them go loose after some time?
Is the directional-pad really that big of a deal with Windows Mobile phones? Is it used in order to avoid taking out the stylus? I've searched around the web and see that many people are complaining about the removal of the d-pad with some models.
As for WVGA and VGA, is there a big enough difference to really go for WVGA?
I may have missed some key differences between these models. If yes, do kindly point them out. As far as I can tell, the hardware specifications of the ones I am looking for are pretty much the same (i.e. processor, RAM/ROM, 3G, GPS, WiFi, etc.)
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I think I'm gonna wait for the Touch Pro2 and see how it is when I get to demo a unit. Rumored release date here in the Philippines is sometime June 2009.
Btw, is it just me or does the XPERIA screen thinner (less width) and longer (more height) than other HTC's?
A follow-up questoin regarding WVGA screens, are most WM applications compatible with the 800x480 resolution of the newer HTC's? Or does VGA/QVGA still reign?
Thanks!
I love my Fuze (Touch Pro) but I'm versy disappointed with the tiny screen. The TP2 has a huge screen, and more importantly: Incredible features. The only thing that's really got me worried is the lack of a dpad on the portrait face.
That said, I still plan on getting one.
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I love my Fuze (Touch Pro) but I'm versy disappointed with the tiny screen. The TP2 has a huge screen, and more importantly: Incredible features. The only thing that's really got me worried is the lack of a dpad on the portrait face.
That said, I still plan on getting one.
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That's what worries me also, the lack of the d-pad on the TP2.
I had the xperia and i am getting the touch pro. to me the video out is what i need and what the xperia doesn't have. Also the touch pro and the xperia will be a lot less than the touch pro 2 so that was another factor for me.
I have had an X1 for 5 months........in fact I have had five X1s.
All have had cracked cases and I have had enough.
I am changing for a HD Pro (XDA Serra on O2 UK)
I will miss the screen but the basic spec is very similar.
Very poor show Sony and many thanks to O2 for allowing an exchange.
Don't go for the Touch Pro, WVGA is the screen of the future, and all newer interfaces will likely be optimized for it. It'll become harder and harder to get non buggy ROMS for VGA screes as time goes on.
The X1 is awesome, and looks the best of the bunch, not to mention it is not bulky like the others. It still has SE support as they still get ROM updates with new features (unlike HTC which may just fix a bug or 2, but never updates the actual features).
X1 Cons: The screen is only 3.0 inches which is bigger than 2.8, but still not big. SE didn't build all of the niceties of Touch Flo devices into it such as nicer contacts screen, new volume app, etc.
The TP2 is a powerhouse, and has everything you could ever want except for the cheesy looking plastic build, and the gargantuan size.
If aesthetics are important to you go X1, if having the latest, greatest, is important go TP2.
Hey guys, don't forget if the rumors are true, we'll be getting the "omnia pro" AND the x2 sometime soon, and I think a couple more, though I can't remember what atm. There are alot of new choices with sliding KBs out there. Personally, after the fuze and now the omnia, my preference would have the following: tv-out (must), WVGA (must)(the new future), hard KB (must, preferably w/ tilt), flash for camera (want, not need), FM radio (want, not need). I miss not having a Dpad, but cope w/o it, same with the scroll wheel (ala kaiser), and stylus. Headphone jack, there are always adapters.
I'm a tilt user currently and looking to upgrade my phone with AT&T. Can someone give me the pros and cons of owning the Fuze? Is it as versatile as the Tilt? What about connectivity, ease of browsing, GPS etc. I like tinkering with my Tilt using Visual Studio.NET. Would I be able to keep doing that with the Fuze?
Any response would be appreciated.
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I'm a tilt user currently and looking to upgrade my phone with AT&T. Can someone give me the pros and cons of owning the Fuze? Is it as versatile as the Tilt? What about connectivity, ease of browsing, GPS etc. I like tinkering with my Tilt using Visual Studio.NET. Would I be able to keep doing that with the Fuze?
Any response would be appreciated.
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My Tilit was replaced (by insurance) with a Fuze a couple moths ago - the Tilt had developed radio issues. I have been very happy with the Fuze. Other than the lack of hardware keys (which is fairly easy to get used to), my Fuze does everything that the Tilt did, and does most things better. The display is amazing, the flat face really makes it easy to use without a stylus (you can touch the corners of the screen easier). Once I switched to the radio in my sig, I haven't had any GPS issues, other than a SLIGHT lag as compared to my old Tilt. GPS fixes (aGPS) usually take less than 10 seconds, and are just as accurate as they were on the Tilt.
All things considered, I am very happy with my Fuze. Given the choice between a Fuze or a Tilt, after having used both, I would definitely choose the Fuze.
I loved my Tilt. It was one of the "Top 25 most innovative electronic devices in 2008". Got my Fuze the day it came out, and gave my Tilt to my GF almost immediately. lol
Does everything my Tilt did (except tilt of course) but WAY better. GPS lock is a little slower, and the battery doesn't last as long, but you will not be disappointed.
I own the Fuze
Pros:
BEAUTIFUL VGA screen
VGA screen = better web browsing
Good enough battery life to last a full day comfortably and charging at night
LED Flashlight + hTorthc = powerful flashlight (BIG PRO to me)
Much more stylish and attraticve
Cons:
No Control Key
No Control Key
No Control Key (Did i mention that already)
No TAB key (Who the hell needs a caps lock button???)
No scroll wheel like the tilt (uses capacitve touch that doesn't work with all programs by default)
lack of hardware buttons (new leaked AT&T rom allows you to change the PTT buton)
No 2nd camera
All in All, very pleased with the phone, The battery life is really satisfactory for me - i get a full day of above average use out of the phone, never feel like the battery is too weak for the phone.
I LOVE the accelerometer, gives the phone a Lot more functionality (programs and games)
But AT&T REALLY pissed me off about the keyboard. Instead of control+v or control+c etc shortcuts, they give you an "ok" button! Seriously, and what about the tab key, they replace it with a "caps" key.
Those flaws are enough to make me consider buying a damn unlocked Touch Pro and enjoying it.
I love this phone though, I have to say, this is the first phone that has everything i need and more. I plan on using this phone for years and simply updating the OS every once in a while. (though right now stilling with AT&T firmware until i get everything ironed out like preferred applications and such
The phone has its issues, but most of them are related to windows mobile ha ha.
The biggest asset of this phone over other phones is the VGA scree. This is a blessing and a curse because of the compatibility with older programs. But in reality, the graphics are simply stunning and crystal clear.
If you do buy the phone, make sure to update to the latest leaked rom from AT&T - it will fix some performance issues, and GPS issues. I also noticed the camera speed is quite improved
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Pros:
BEAUTIFUL VGA screen
VGA screen = better web browsing
Good enough battery life to last a full day comfortably and charging at night
LED Flashlight + hTorthc = powerful flashlight (BIG PRO to me)
Much more stylish and attraticve
Cons:
No Control Key
No Control Key
No Control Key (Did i mention that already)
No TAB key (Who the hell needs a caps lock button???)
No scroll wheel like the tilt (uses capacitve touch that doesn't work with all programs by default)
lack of hardware buttons (new leaked AT&T rom allows you to change the PTT buton)
No 2nd camera
All in All, very pleased with the phone, The battery life is really satisfactory for me - i get a full day of above average use out of the phone, never feel like the battery is too weak for the phone.
I LOVE the accelerometer, gives the phone a Lot more functionality (programs and games)
But AT&T REALLY pissed me off about the keyboard. Instead of control+v or control+c etc shortcuts, they give you an "ok" button! Seriously, and what about the tab key, they replace it with a "caps" key.
Those flaws are enough to make me consider buying a damn unlocked Touch Pro and enjoying it.
I love this phone though, I have to say, this is the first phone that has everything i need and more. I plan on using this phone for years and simply updating the OS every once in a while. (though right now stilling with AT&T firmware until i get everything ironed out like preferred applications and such
The phone has its issues, but most of them are related to windows mobile ha ha.
The biggest asset of this phone over other phones is the VGA scree. This is a blessing and a curse because of the compatibility with older programs. But in reality, the graphics are simply stunning and crystal clear.
If you do buy the phone, make sure to update to the latest leaked rom from AT&T - it will fix some performance issues, and GPS issues. I also noticed the camera speed is quite improved
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I agree with a lot of this post... Had a tilt for a little over 2 years, and loved it, had a 8125 and an 8525 before those... Missing the hardware keys took some getting used to, but since then, I'm doing great. Bought an international touch pro, and ended up swapping it for a fuze to get the HSDPA speed back... I plan on swapping the keyboard to get rid of the annoying one that AT&T replaced it with, but other then that I think most Tilt users would enjoy the upgrade...
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I agree with a lot of this post... Had a tilt for a little over 2 years, and loved it, had a 8125 and an 8525 before those... Missing the hardware keys took some getting used to, but since then, I'm doing great. Bought an international touch pro, and ended up swapping it for a fuze to get the HSDPA speed back... I plan on swapping the keyboard to get rid of the annoying one that AT&T replaced it with, but other then that I think most Tilt users would enjoy the upgrade...
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how hard was it swapping out the keyboard?
Have to agree on the Fuze keyboard: someone was smoking a LOT of crack that day. The lack of a proper D-pad is annoying, and stuffing VGA into the same 2.8" of screen space keeps that resolution from being nearly as useful as it might have been, but the picture is outstanding. Battery life will be a surprise for you as a tilt user and as much as you think you won't miss the tilting screen, you will. Also, the keys on the Fuze keyboard are smaller than the Tilt, so that takes some adjustment.
I have both a Fuze and a Tilt: the Fuze is the better overall device, but the Tilt is the best "bang for your buck" that can be had.
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I loved my Tilt. It was one of the "Top 25 most innovative electronic devices in 2008". Got my Fuze the day it came out, and gave my Tilt to my GF almost immediately. lol
Does everything my Tilt did (except tilt of course) but WAY better. GPS lock is a little slower, and the battery doesn't last as long, but you will not be disappointed.
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lol...ditto!
got my fuze in feb., with the tilt i flashed almost as soon as i got it. Im still holding out with the fuze. I like it that much. The slight lag, also found on the tilt is remedied for me by one soft reset a day. I also geocache with both phones (wifey now has the tilt), and gps is a little slower on fuze to appear (10sec) but after that it works great. I think ive missed the tilt feature exactly once with sunlight in the car shining on the screen. But the flat flush screen is SO MUCH better youll look at your tilt like a dinosaur one week after you get your fuze.
gl
Thanks for your replies guys. Very much appreciated. Seems like I might end up buying this device afterall.
Yeah you should. I find it to be superior to the Tilt in almost every way, minus the lack of a few buttons and the slight GPS lag. It has a great screen and let me make this very clear...much better than the Tilt. I had a Tilt and upgraded to the Fuze...I actually went "Wow..." when I saw the screen. The flat surface makes it infinitely easier to work the touch screen with your fingers instead of having to use buttons. I'd pick one up.