Hi All:
I would appreciate some help and explanation on the following items. Once answered, I'd be happy to write up a summary that could be used as a "sticky" to help other newcomers!
1. As I understand it, "Cheetah" is the internal code name for the Treo 750, and it was manufactured by HTC (High Tech Computer)?
2. It seems that there is a way to upgrade the Windows version on my 750? It currently has v5.0 (OS 5.1.195 Build 14959.2.3.2). Is there any particular benefit, other than being current) why I should upgrade Windows? Any potential problems?
3. Hermes is the internal code name for devices made by HTC, but NOT for any Treo devices?
4. How does Hermes SPL relate to Treo 750? And what does SPL mean?
5. What is "Hard-SPL"?
6. I've seen references on this forum to some sort of "radio upgrade" or "radio mod" for the 750. What is it, and why do I need/want it?!
7. What is a "cooked" ROM?
8. If I either upgrade Windows, or replace the firmware with a modified one, can I permanently damage (i.e. "brick") my 750?
I know, many questions!
But I am an intelligent techie-type, and yet I feel like I've just walked in on the middle of a foreign-language film with no subtitles!
Thanks
alleyandy said:
Hi All:
I would appreciate some help and explanation on the following items. Once answered, I'd be happy to write up a summary that could be used as a "sticky" to help other newcomers!
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Hi there. I have been using a Treo 750 for about 18 months. While I have not "played" with the ROM on my device to the same extent that others have here, I will answer what I can.
alleyandy said:
1. As I understand it, "Cheetah" is the internal code name for the Treo 750, and it was manufactured by HTC (High Tech Computer)?
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Correct. HTC have made many Windows Mobile devices and the Palm Treo 750 is but one of them. I'd have to say in my experience, having owned and used other HTC devices such as the O2 Xda II mini, i-mate JAMin and i-mate JASJam, the Treo 750 beats the others hands down in both hardware design and software implementation.
alleyandy said:
2. It seems that there is a way to upgrade the Windows version on my 750? It currently has v5.0 (OS 5.1.195 Build 14959.2.3.2). Is there any particular benefit, other than being current) why I should upgrade Windows? Any potential problems?
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Yes indeed! My device shipped with Windows Mobile 5. I upgraded to WM6 when it was released late last year and can say that it offers some very good improvements over WM5.
One of the issues the upgrade did was provide a much more stable radio ROM - phone operation was much improved in my experience, e.g. no more dropped calls, especially when answering a call. There were also some helpful software improvements such as the in-call buttons for speakerphone and mute, etc.
Note that Palm have just removed all WM6 upgrade ROMs from their websites (in the last week). Hopefully you will still be able to find a ROM somewhere on the 'net.
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3. Hermes is the internal code name for devices made by HTC, but NOT for any Treo devices?
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I don't think so. AFAIK the Hermes is HTC's TyTN device.
alleyandy said:
4. How does Hermes SPL relate to Treo 750? And what does SPL mean?
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Sorry, don't know about that. I have seen it mentioned here too but don't know what it means. I have a feeling it is something to do with unlocking a phone from a specific carrier.
alleyandy said:
5. What is "Hard-SPL"?
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Sorry, don't know about that either.
alleyandy said:
6. I've seen references on this forum to some sort of "radio upgrade" or "radio mod" for the 750. What is it, and why do I need/want it?!
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Again sorry, I don't know. There are cooked versions of WM6.1 floating around here for the Treo 750. Palm never released a WM6.1 upgrade for the Treo 750 (although it comes as default on the new Treo Pro) and I have seen references to radio ROM upgrades/downgrades in relation to this cooked ROM. I'd avoid it.
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7. What is a "cooked" ROM?
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This is a ROM that someone has put together themselves. They disassemle a commerical ROM for a specific device, remove and add components, and then re-assemble and release it to other users. Use these at your own risk!
alleyandy said:
8. If I either upgrade Windows, or replace the firmware with a modified one, can I permanently damage (i.e. "brick") my 750?
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It's certainly a risk with any modified ROM and has not been something I was ever keen to do. Note that ROMs are device specific so don't try to use one for another device on your Treo. I've found the commercially released ROMs to be reliable and work just fine.
Hope all of this helps.
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htc magician wm2005 upgrade For T-mobile Explanation
Next Release:
No further release expected. This device is unable to be upgraded to Windows Mobile™ 5.0 operating system. The new MDA Compact II device will be a Microsoft Windows Mobile™ 5.0 device expected later this month.
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magician wm2005 coming soon
Hey what so happy about it? I think you misunderstood the statement.
they said, the new MDA Compact II is going to come out. and yes, its already came out, with the model name Charmer or Prophet (i forget )
so, still, no WM2005 for Magician.
Yep:
"This device is UNABLE TO BE UPGRADED to Windows Mobile 5.0".
I still think the producers are being lazy. There's no reason it should not support an Intel PXA272 base, because that's like the most common WM processor around, and its still in use too. Portable RAM, BT and Radio Stack technology hasn't changed a hell lot enough to not even have any driver support.
If this isn't forced obsolescence I don't know what is.
ya lor of course i tink its not because device not supported, but just simply : marketing and commercial issue
maybe they came out with new product and wont allow wm2005 for magician to avoid product cannibalism
I agree with you
it certainly supports wm2005
yes
it is launched with name charmer grey nad pink colour
g3 chipset
Hello everyone!
This question may sound a little awkward but is it possible to install the HTC Gene (P3400) ROM on a Prophet?
I'm asking this because I read that the P3400's hardware is pretty much the same as S200.
Thanks in advance!
It will doen't work!
Little example:
The HTC Orbit has nearly the same technical aspects as the HTC Prophet but you can't flash a Orbit ROM onto Prophet!
animelover said:
It will doen't work!
Little example:
The HTC Orbit has nearly the same technical aspects as the HTC Prophet but you can't flash a Orbit ROM onto Prophet!
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in case you don't know you can install Wizard ROMs on a Prophet i've done it myself, it just doesn't mean it will work well
never heard about htc orbit, but if you're talking about htc Artemis (xda orbit), it doesn't have the same hardware as the prophet: it has gps and fm radio and the prophet doesn't, for example. not to talk about the flash chips and stuff...!
Maybe or maybe not...
Hardware sound similar, but on p3400 no wifi hardware for example...
So might be possible to install, but some stuff will never work.
Wm6 10.0.15342.0
So could we make it with WIZARD's Wm6 10.0.15342.0 ? People having this device is really enthusiastic about this new brand ROm coming straight from Microsoft.
As soon as i get some free time i am gonna work on it.
i think it can work,but D600 look like dopod c858 or M700, but who can fix the rom for D600?
Hi guys!
I have found a device (look at photos), it's chinese Htc touch (named NTC) with same hardware and windows mobile 6.1 Professional. The question is: can I install other windows mobile (normal Russian). And shant I have problem after that?
As always copies are tacky
Smolikrv said:
Hi guys!
I have found a device (look at photos), it's chinese Htc touch (named NTC) with same hardware and windows mobile 6.1 Professional. The question is: can I install other windows mobile (normal Russian). And shant I have problem after that?
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Well if you haven´t buyed I recommend no to...
If you already buyed expect bad quality and short duration in general.
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It is very hard to flash the device with other ROMs.
They are known to have DIFFERENT hardware (so the drivers aren't compatible). Even the clones are different from each other..
They have different bootloaders, so our methods of hardSPL etc won't help.
Next to that, there is the quality issue, it is not even close to the quality of an HTC device.
So to sum it up:
-bad quality, no support, no availability of cooked ROMs, no warranty..
I would say, stay clear from it!
Regards,
EqX
Thanks guys, you helped me so much, thanks to you I haven't bought it)). The prices difference between original htc and clone is 100$, so i'd better buy an original one
I want to go back a little bit. i have googled... and searched through the Kaiser forum!
I am wondering if it is even possible to rum WM 5 on the Kaiser!
If so... Is there a ROM created?
O.K. I will bite...
Why do you want to run WM5 on a Kaiser ?
hmm
maybe possible to flash a tytn wm5 on tytn II ?
Prosasan said:
maybe possible to flash a tytn wm5 on tytn II ?
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i m not sure that u can ! if u want a paper weight pls do !
brendynj18 said:
I want to go back a little bit. i have googled... and searched through the Kaiser forum!
I am wondering if it is even possible to rum WM 5 on the Kaiser!
If so... Is there a ROM created?
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...no. wm5 is worse than wm6.0, which is ****e. good luck with that.
Check the xda-wiki
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maybe possible to flash a tytn wm5 on tytn II ?
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NO...fast route to a paper weight.
a good place to start
First I will say, I don't care why you want to do this, if you want to, good for you, give it a shot. I myself have been working on getting windows for workgroups to run on my tytn II, just for the heck of it, I have had no success yet, but have been able to run windows 3.0.
Second, I would think a good place to start would be with someone who is familiar with cooking for wm5 and wm6, ask them if wm5 is compatible with the tytn II chip set and if the roms build in the same way or a different way. In other words ask them if you cook a wm5 base rom, the same way you do a wm6 base rom.
Third, you have to make sure the way wm5 uses resources is compatible with the way the kaiser shares and stores the os and programs.
A while back a similar question was asked about wm2003 and the tytn, the reason they wanted it was because the wm2003 os uses very little memory which would in theory free up resources pending on your needs. The outcome was that the way wm2003 runs and uses resources, was not compatible with the tytn chip set.
Hope this helps a little, you might want to hit up Erofich in a pm, he has done work on both os's, but not the kaiser.
I'd like to try wm6.5 original...somebody has this rom ? I tried a lot of roms but dont work well in based 6.5 ...some phone numbers cant be called , etc Maybe original rom wm 6.5 is good ...Thanks !
there's no WM6.5 original since 6.5 isn't released yet, plus there will neveer be 6.5 for Kaiser official.
The problems you have aren't connected to 6.5 but maybe old radio I guess.
all the rooms are beta versions of wm 6.5. offical final release will be october 2009 but we dont expect offical release for kaiser.
try flashing a different radio version
mirkomircea said:
I'd like to try wm6.5 original...somebody has this rom ? I tried a lot of roms but dont work well in based 6.5 ...some phone numbers cant be called , etc Maybe original rom wm 6.5 is good ...Thanks !
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you should have emailed htc support instead of starting a new thread for this. please read rules about starting new threads.
Where do you live? Who is your service provider? Ah wait, it doesnt matter! Kaiser is too old for them to release an official version anyways...
I thought HTC said they will have an official 6.5 upgrade for any device 400Mhz and above. However, no providers will have an offical upgrade... But technically its the same, because you can just flash the roms found here... They are usually faster than original...
i noticed that htc provided a Hotfix to enhance the security mechanism of Bluetooth service which is dated 2009-07-31 so maybe, just maybe they still might be remembering that the kaiser exists and might provide a wm6.5 rom update
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i noticed that htc provided a Hotfix to enhance the security mechanism of Bluetooth service which is dated 2009-07-31 so maybe, just maybe they still might be remembering that the kaiser exists and might provide a wm6.5 rom update
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HTC doesn't have to license a hot fix from M$. HTC is not about to spend their profits or R&D money licensing software for a phone they don't sell or even make anymore. No chance, no way. Besides, do you really think that Microsoft's 6.5 will be anything more than a waste of time or money ?
Will it run better than the 6.5' s we currently have in this forum ? Will it have more customization options ? Will it have more pre-installed apps ? Will it come with more support ?
No.....no....no.....and no ! So what's the point ?
In the US, AT&T does not see Tilt anymore! Not even refurbished ones...so if they dont sell it, then no updates...
denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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i wish there was some way to modify the nk.exe for 6.5 from other devices which already have it for our kaiser, then there would be no need to recmod and we would also have additional space for more modules
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But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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LOL...yea exactly...
jjblaster3 said:
i wish there was some way to modify the nk.exe for 6.5 from other devices which already have it for our kaiser, then there would be no need to recmod and we would also have additional space for more modules
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Ok it is my understanding that you have recmod to not to use up slot 0...so I think you will have to recmod no matter what...
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Ok it is my understanding that you have recmod to not to use up slot 0...so I think you will have to recmod no matter what...
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this is what i've read...
"WM 6.5 NK allows you to use more modules without taking up SLOT 0 space, so allows more flexibility to use modules (which are faster to load)"
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this is what i've read...
"WM 6.5 NK allows you to use more modules without taking up SLOT 0 space, so allows more flexibility to use modules (which are faster to load)"
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Yup in theory it sounds wonderful, but I dont think it makes a difference in reality. I do have a touch pro 2, which is the same WM sluggish one!
I came back to STOCK wm 6.1 work perfect...IGO 8 and radio , but on this forum are many fancy people....Thanks them !
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But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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Umm, or like Apple releasing new firmware for the original iPhone, which they don't make anymore... wait a minute.
Microsoft needs to break free of allowing releases of their mobile OS to be dictated by the device OEMs. It's a terrible practice and one of the reasons their market share in the mobile device sector is shrinking.
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Umm, or like Apple releasing new firmware for the original iPhone, which they don't make anymore... wait a minute.
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And if M$ only sold ONE phone " the Kaiser " in different variants I am sure they would release 6.5 for it.
WM 6.5 RTM's about two months ago and if you look at Josh koss thread he has a link in his sig that has the official 6.5 RTM release(21234) from MS. However there will be no RTM build for the Kaiser from HTC, but Josh's works fine. This 21234 build was the RTM build that is in the developer toolkit, and will be the build that all companies will use to create there 6.5 official releases.
As for the current 6.5 builds that everyone has those are the beta builds for 6.5.1 that will be released for the first capacitive screens, and be the "basic" WM6.5 that will ship on lower end phones not capable of running WM7.