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AHOY experts!! New PDAs, any match to my XDA II mini.

Hi,
I am looking for a replacement for my xda ii mini (Windows 2003) which i have been using for last 3 years.
I have tried HTC TOUCH, HTC DUAL, TYTN, cruise among the various other windows 5 and windows 6 PDAs available. While the the new PDAs have whole lot of new features, the most important feature (at least for me) - Find / Search was awfully slow.
The mini that i am using now has over 10,000 contacts and few files , no third party softwares or any other tools which take memory and process time. My PDA handles the data with ease.
The same data when i used on the newer phones and tested the search feature it turned out to be very slow. A search in XDA II mini takes 2 secs and it HTCh touch 5 minutes and TYTn cruise take around 3-4 minutes. that is horribly slow.
I tried the same on older XDA II (windows 02) and it turned out to be fast.
It made me conculde that the new phones with windows 5 or 6 must be taking lot of resources, too many features that the basic functions are not paid much attention to.
Simple OS like windows 03 are faster and efficient than the newer ones
I need help -
Is it the OS that is making the difference?
Where can i find a 02 XDA with Windows 2003?
Can i buy a HTC TOUCH or DUAL and format it and install windows 03? Will it work? Can somebody help me with that?
I had tried a few third party search tools , they were not any better? Can i find some fast search tools?
Last
Can somebody help me buy new O2 XDA II mini ? I know they are not manufactured now but it seems the only replacement of my current device.
- Regards
SH

shaileshmanjrekar said:
Hi,
I am looking for a replacement for my xda ii mini (Windows 2003) which i have been using for last 3 years.
I have tried HTC TOUCH, HTC DUAL, TYTN, cruise among the various other windows 5 and windows 6 PDAs available. While the the new PDAs have whole lot of new features, the most important feature (at least for me) - Find / Search was awfully slow.
The mini that i am using now has over 10,000 contacts and few files , no third party softwares or any other tools which take memory and process time. My PDA handles the data with ease.
The same data when i used on the newer phones and tested the search feature it turned out to be very slow. A search in XDA II mini takes 2 secs and it HTCh touch 5 minutes and TYTn cruise take around 3-4 minutes. that is horribly slow.
I tried the same on older XDA II (windows 02) and it turned out to be fast.
It made me conculde that the new phones with windows 5 or 6 must be taking lot of resources, too many features that the basic functions are not paid much attention to.
Simple OS like windows 03 are faster and efficient than the newer ones
I need help -
Is it the OS that is making the difference?
Where can i find a 02 XDA with Windows 2003?
Can i buy a HTC TOUCH or DUAL and format it and install windows 03? Will it work? Can somebody help me with that?
I had tried a few third party search tools , they were not any better? Can i find some fast search tools?
Last
Can somebody help me buy new O2 XDA II mini ? I know they are not manufactured now but it seems the only replacement of my current device.
- Regards
SH
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I think the answer here is to flash a custom rom made by one of our great cooks here....
I have both HTC Tytn2 and HTC touch running custom roms and i can really notice the difference between custom and shiped roms.
Anyway this is just my 2 cents... lets wait for the gurus to reply
Cheers

farhanali_ said:
I think the answer here is to flash a custom rom made by one of our great cooks here....
I have both HTC Tytn2 and HTC touch running custom roms and i can really notice the difference between custom and shiped roms.
Anyway this is just my 2 cents... lets wait for the gurus to reply
Cheers
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Thanks Farhan and hi to all
Flashing a custom ROM ?
Does that mean that the OS will be changed ?
How and Where does one do that?
I will buy a HTC TOUCH for trying out these things that you told
Please help me proceed
Still waiting for the gururs to reply
-Regards
SH

A lot (if not all) users here have flashed cooked ROM into their devices.
All info about flashing can be found in the Wiki (albeit Device specific). Basic questions about flashing can be found here.
Everything else, can be found on the device forums.

Can I load Windows 2003 on HTC Touch/Dual /O2 Flame

Hi all,
I have been using o2 XDA and XDA II mini for many years , i tried almost all new phones with WM5/6 and i am very much sure that it does not serve my purpose and work.
Can I buy a new 02 / HTC touch dual or tytn and load windows 2003 on it.
I understand that i will loose warranty etc. but is it possible. pros & cons?
Can i do it ? how ?
thanks

roms are tailored 100% for a device
so if the device maker never made a 2003rom for a device
one would have to start from scratch and maybe
have to reverse engineer drivers if some were requied
and not available in a wm2003 model

Hi all,
I have been using o2 XDA and XDA II mini for many years , i tried almost all new phones with WM5/6 and i am very much sure that it does not serve my purpose and work.
Can I buy a new 02 / HTC touch dual or tytn and load windows 2003 on it.
I understand that i will loose warranty etc. but is it possible. pros & cons?
Can i do it ? how ?
thanks
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if someone really wants to spend money and energy he can,but it would be better to have wm5 or 6 for some devices like magician instead an overcomed 2003 for newer ones like touch dual, pharos,cruise,diamond
and by the way people developing os are trying to make a better os every time, and in most cases they do it, so you get better memory handling, better drivers...faster device if you want it that way

WOW! Why would you want to put a server OS on your phone? lol

leaskovski said:
WOW! Why would you want to put a server OS on your phone? lol
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windows mobile 2003 / 2003se
not windows 2003 server

shaileshmanjrekar said:
Hi all,
I have been using o2 XDA and XDA II mini for many years , i tried almost all new phones with WM5/6 and i am very much sure that it does not serve my purpose and work.
Can I buy a new 02 / HTC touch dual or tytn and load windows 2003 on it.
I understand that i will loose warranty etc. but is it possible. pros & cons?
Can i do it ? how ?
thanks
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do you have a specific for example compatibility problem with WM5+?

I have over 10,000 client contacts on my phone , I transferred data to couple of new phones with wm5 and wm6. All is well till I try to search. When i search for a contact it takes around 5 mins on new phones with wm5 and wm6 . It takes 3-4 secs on the the XDAII and XDA mini for the same. having tried many phones and tools , i assumed that the problem should be with OS. with improved graphics and whole lot of other features which take up the active resources may be the search module does not get all that is required.
MY xda mini 2003 / xda II 2002 have less features ,less graphics so they are faster is what i have concluded from all these experiments that i have done wit new phones.
Thanks

farukb said:
if someone really wants to spend money and energy he can,but it would be better to have wm5 or 6 for some devices like magician instead an overcomed 2003 for newer ones like touch dual, pharos,cruise,diamond
and by the way people developing os are trying to make a better os every time, and in most cases they do it, so you get better memory handling, better drivers...faster device if you want it that way
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If you compare the search tool with my kind of data, you will understand taht the new OS is not of any help to me. I agree , that there may be whole lot of new features and drivers , But search in a n integral part of the os and don't understand why that should change. and it works superb in earlier versions 3 secs V/s 5 mins to search.

Your problem is caused by a new way of working with memory in WM5+ systems. WM2003 used part of RAM as a storage medium for installed programs and also contact databases were located there. WM5+ uses internal flash instead. Data from flash doesn't disapear when you run out of battery juice. On the other hand it is a numerous times slower. However i cannot imagine the slowdown would have been so drastic. I would advise you trying the fastest possible device with lots of RAM (Samusng Omnia i900 or HTC Touch Diamond). It is possible the slowdown will be more acceptable. If it will be no success you can modify some ROM to use RamDisk as a storage medium. However, there are no new devices with WM2003 ROMs available.

That is the most convincing answer that i have got since last year when i started looking for replacement for my XDA.
After trying almost every new and latest PDAs in the market, I am sure that the new PDAs will not be any great help
BUT your statement - " Modify some ROM to use RamDisk as a storage medium." makes me hopeful.
Unfortunately, for novice like me it ends there. I don't know how modify ROMS, or any place where i can get it done. Even if i get one, i don't know how to load it. Tutorials did not help much, they were just too much technical. I may be a odd one in this developer forum, but this is only place where i think i can get the answer. I am just looking for PDA that is just equvialent to my XDA II and XDA mini
Many Thanks for your response

Definitions, please?

Hi All:
I would appreciate some help and explanation on the following items. Once answered, I'd be happy to write up a summary that could be used as a "sticky" to help other newcomers!
1. As I understand it, "Cheetah" is the internal code name for the Treo 750, and it was manufactured by HTC (High Tech Computer)?
2. It seems that there is a way to upgrade the Windows version on my 750? It currently has v5.0 (OS 5.1.195 Build 14959.2.3.2). Is there any particular benefit, other than being current) why I should upgrade Windows? Any potential problems?
3. Hermes is the internal code name for devices made by HTC, but NOT for any Treo devices?
4. How does Hermes SPL relate to Treo 750? And what does SPL mean?
5. What is "Hard-SPL"?
6. I've seen references on this forum to some sort of "radio upgrade" or "radio mod" for the 750. What is it, and why do I need/want it?!
7. What is a "cooked" ROM?
8. If I either upgrade Windows, or replace the firmware with a modified one, can I permanently damage (i.e. "brick") my 750?
I know, many questions!
But I am an intelligent techie-type, and yet I feel like I've just walked in on the middle of a foreign-language film with no subtitles!
Thanks

alleyandy said:
Hi All:
I would appreciate some help and explanation on the following items. Once answered, I'd be happy to write up a summary that could be used as a "sticky" to help other newcomers!
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Hi there. I have been using a Treo 750 for about 18 months. While I have not "played" with the ROM on my device to the same extent that others have here, I will answer what I can.
alleyandy said:
1. As I understand it, "Cheetah" is the internal code name for the Treo 750, and it was manufactured by HTC (High Tech Computer)?
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Correct. HTC have made many Windows Mobile devices and the Palm Treo 750 is but one of them. I'd have to say in my experience, having owned and used other HTC devices such as the O2 Xda II mini, i-mate JAMin and i-mate JASJam, the Treo 750 beats the others hands down in both hardware design and software implementation.
alleyandy said:
2. It seems that there is a way to upgrade the Windows version on my 750? It currently has v5.0 (OS 5.1.195 Build 14959.2.3.2). Is there any particular benefit, other than being current) why I should upgrade Windows? Any potential problems?
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Yes indeed! My device shipped with Windows Mobile 5. I upgraded to WM6 when it was released late last year and can say that it offers some very good improvements over WM5.
One of the issues the upgrade did was provide a much more stable radio ROM - phone operation was much improved in my experience, e.g. no more dropped calls, especially when answering a call. There were also some helpful software improvements such as the in-call buttons for speakerphone and mute, etc.
Note that Palm have just removed all WM6 upgrade ROMs from their websites (in the last week). Hopefully you will still be able to find a ROM somewhere on the 'net.
alleyandy said:
3. Hermes is the internal code name for devices made by HTC, but NOT for any Treo devices?
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I don't think so. AFAIK the Hermes is HTC's TyTN device.
alleyandy said:
4. How does Hermes SPL relate to Treo 750? And what does SPL mean?
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Sorry, don't know about that. I have seen it mentioned here too but don't know what it means. I have a feeling it is something to do with unlocking a phone from a specific carrier.
alleyandy said:
5. What is "Hard-SPL"?
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Sorry, don't know about that either.
alleyandy said:
6. I've seen references on this forum to some sort of "radio upgrade" or "radio mod" for the 750. What is it, and why do I need/want it?!
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Again sorry, I don't know. There are cooked versions of WM6.1 floating around here for the Treo 750. Palm never released a WM6.1 upgrade for the Treo 750 (although it comes as default on the new Treo Pro) and I have seen references to radio ROM upgrades/downgrades in relation to this cooked ROM. I'd avoid it.
alleyandy said:
7. What is a "cooked" ROM?
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This is a ROM that someone has put together themselves. They disassemle a commerical ROM for a specific device, remove and add components, and then re-assemble and release it to other users. Use these at your own risk!
alleyandy said:
8. If I either upgrade Windows, or replace the firmware with a modified one, can I permanently damage (i.e. "brick") my 750?
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It's certainly a risk with any modified ROM and has not been something I was ever keen to do. Note that ROMs are device specific so don't try to use one for another device on your Treo. I've found the commercially released ROMs to be reliable and work just fine.
Hope all of this helps.

Touch HD or Omnia2

Hay guys,
I am getting a new PDA, I have tytn now and it has served me good.
Could you give me your look on this two models, I am thinking about Samsung, since it has much better specs and display, but I got used to touchflo 3D interface a lot...
Is it possible to put it on Omnia?
Your answer will be appreciated and will help me decide what to buy.
Thanks!

There is one added value for choosing HD
The sup`port of this fantastic site!!
Just because of that I´ll choose HD even if omnia has better specs...

Yes, that is bothering me too...

Well if you're not gonna flash your device or use Touch Flo 3D or any other ported software, than get Omnia 2.
You will still be able to get support in this forum. Most of the issues of non-HTC devices can be supported/solved without the need to correspond to an HTC device.

You could use TouchFlo 3D on your Omnia 2 if its WVGA. However as mentioned above the support provided by this site significantly exceeds that of any site that supports the Omnia. To be completely honest, if you havent bought your device yet you should consider the Touch Diamond II. The reasoning behind this is i read an article somewhere mentioning that devices without a windows button will not get an official WM6.5 ROM or something stupid like that (Correct me if im wrong).

Ill be upgrading from my Tytn to an Omnia2
I agree that HTC gets great support here but Hardware and capability wise there is nothing to compare with the omnia2 on the horizon.
AMOLED screen,headphone jack,tv-out,5mpx cam with dual flash....what more could anyone possibly want?

gauravdc said:
Ill be upgrading from my Tytn to an Omnia2
I agree that HTC gets great support here but Hardware and capability wise there is nothing to compare with the omnia2 on the horizon.
AMOLED screen,headphone jack,tv-out,5mpx cam with dual flash....what more could anyone possibly want?
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A forum specialized like this for that device!!!

Hmm, the Touch HD vs Omnia II i8000.
Well, lets face it, this is a question of 'XDA support' or 'No XDA support'. Specs-wise, the i8000 has the Touch HD crushed completely (as have been the case with all new Samsung models; HTC hasn't updated their specs in forever).
Personally, if you ask me for a choice between those two models, I would go with the i8000. The main reason I love XDA support is that it makes the interface looks better and it makes the software faster, but from what I see, the i8000 is already plenty fast and it looks very, very good. Furthermore, the i8000 has support forums too (though not on the level of XDA), so any deficiency may be corrected by its own forums anyway.
The idea of choosing a WM device based on software seems very silly to me. One can find a CAB for just about any Windows Mobile software (including, yes, TouchFlo 3D), so transition between WM devices based on software is very simple. If anything, the i8000 should be more appealing software-wise as Samsung put a lot of amazing software on it that has not been ported to other devices yet.

Always buy for the better specs and design. Never buy for the software support. Buy for the software that is already provided.
Any extras can be found on other fan sites and other non-htc developers. Therefore the Omnia 2 is a much better choice.
Besides there are plenty of software that are created that supports non-htc devices, and there are also software that are created specifically for non-htc devices.
Furthermore alot of the technical problems are Windows Mobile based and not always HTC based.
The only 2 reasons to get HTC devices is 1) if you prefer the design and the specs of HTC and 2) if you want to flash your ROM.
HTC devices are easily flashed to a different ROM, but hey man not everyone uses ROMs... I don't ever use ROM's...
Therefore Omnia 2 is a perfect choice if you don't flash your ROM...and point number 1 shows that HTC Touch HD is outdated....so therefore get Omnia 2 if you don't flash your ROM....
Think about it mate.

poetryrocksalot said:
Well if you're not gonna flash your device or use Touch Flo 3D or any other ported software, than get Omnia 2.
You will still be able to get support in this forum. Most of the issues of non-HTC devices can be supported/solved without the need to correspond to an HTC device.
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undoubtedly, omnia II

gauravdc said:
what more could anyone possibly want?
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a zooming ability on the video camera (while filming)
also, can it play divx/xvid movies like the HD can with coreplayer?
i download movies and dont have to re-encode them, just drag, drop, play. (...generally, unless there was some esoteric encoding used)
mark

I have the same dilemma. I am about to replace my Sony Ericsson W960i with a proper PDA and I am taking into account both, Touch HD and Omnia II.
Similarly I would like to have a Touch Flo 3d interface on my device and therefore I was keener on HTC Touch HD at first. However since it is possible to get a Touch Flo 3d onto all WinMo devices (as I deduced from 8525Smart's post)
8525Smart said:
One can find a CAB for just about any Windows Mobile software (including, yes, TouchFlo 3D)
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I rather buy Omnia.
And here it comes to questions:
1. Are my assumptions concerning getting Touch Flo 3d onto Omnia correct?
2. Could anyone explain to me this ->
poetryrocksalot said:
....so therefore get Omnia 2 if you don't flash your ROM....
Think about it mate.
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What does it mean to"flash your ROM" and how is it useful? Isn't it simply upgrading/updating the ROM?
I'd be grateful if you could help

well livegod guess what ! omnia2 has zooming while taking videos with its awesom camera
and the touch player can support almost 99% of all my downloaded and converted movies
as for the TF3D .. i love the new one and i cant seem to find it anywhere to be installed on my omnia2
i hate the widgets... makes the phone looks like a toy so i am using spbmobile shell + pointui

i'am from germany and I have the same problem.....
But here I can buy the Omnia in a few month....:-(
But what is whith the HTC LEO????????

Touchwiz 2.0 quite simply covers up WM 6.1 SO thoroughly on the Omnia II, it's almost like you're not using a Windows phone. The Omnia II is definitely the better pick unless you REALLY want ROMs to flash. Then wait for the Whitestone or Firestone or whatever HTC have next.

omnia camera is far better than the HD2
especially the video recording
the HD2 dont have a chance
but i dont care about the video recording so i will get the HD2

HD2, wins every time. You can flash what ever you want (when hspl comes out!), why would you ever want an omnia?

Hands down the HD2 (Leo). PPC of the year so far!

Samsung Omnia 2 place...
I'm a Forum XDA user for a long time.
It helped me a lot with my old HTC Wizard.
I was quite worried about buying an Omnia2 and losing the Forum support. But HTC HD cannot win O2 in SPECS.
About support... boys I have to admit.
For Omnia2 (that is not a HTC device) the best software and tweaks and amazing ROMs can be found on MODACO (sorry boys, but I have to say).
If you own an HTC device don't even consider getting there. The best place is here!!!
Concerning the TouchFlo3D, there are many versions available on MODACO. There's even a HTC HD2 like ROM with Sense 2.5
Thanks!

WM Rom for Samsung Jet

Hello all,
Someone knows if there is a wm rom for the Samsung S8000 (Jet)
I like to hear about it, and i know that this forum is mostley related to HTC phones..
Sorry for my bad english.
Thanks
Greetings
Alex

Welcome to forums
As here we dedicate only to HTC devices you won´t get too much atention, however in off topic there is a thread regarding samsung (another model)
or better try here:
http://winmodevelopers.18.forumer.com/index.php?act=home
http://forums.cnet.com/5204-13973_102-0.html?forumID=146
or: http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=67
Good luck,

I am suprised noone has attempted to cook a WM Rom for this one, it's just like the Omnia II except small and lighter

relic said:
I am suprised noone has attempted to cook a WM Rom for this one, it's just like the Omnia II except small and lighter
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Samsung JET have a Samsung OS - so there is no way to cook a Windows Mobile ROM for it.

you mean it's impossible to replace Samsung OS with WM? I am sure it's possible. Has anyone looked into it? What are the obstacles preventing that happening. Is it fundamental?

relic said:
you mean it's impossible to replace Samsung OS with WM? I am sure it's possible. Has anyone looked into it? What are the obstacles preventing that happening. Is it fundamental?
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I agree. I don't see a reason.
Saying that this is not a WM device is not valid. You can load other OS in your phone if it supports the hardware and the loader interface. If the hardware is so similar, it's a matter of analysis...
If I had one, at least I'd try to flash a OmniaII rom (phone+boot+pda).
I'll contribute $$ to the cooker that could provide such ROM for the Jet s8000.
Cheers

One more contributor here! 50USD for someone that cooks a Jet WM ROM.
I bought one to my wife. The phone is great and I would definitely have one if a Windows Mobile ROM is avaliable...
btw... it has the exact same processor and general specs as the Omnia II

About processors i'm not sure... But OMNIA II have 256Mb RAM vs 128Mb in JET. Maybe there also different radio modules (GSM/UMTS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) and different video controllers.
P.S. Sorry for my bad english

About processors i'm not sure... But OMNIA II have 256Mb RAM vs 128Mb in JET. Maybe there also different radio modules (GSM/UMTS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) and different video controllers.
P.S. Sorry for my bad english

android for Jet:
http://code.google.com/p/jetdroid/
but its just being developed...

c3p9 said:
One more contributor here! 50USD for someone that cooks a Jet WM ROM.
I bought one to my wife. The phone is great and I would definitely have one if a Windows Mobile ROM is avaliable...
btw... it has the exact same processor and general specs as the Omnia II
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i'll contribute another 50 USD if there is a winmo rom for this phone

i think there would be alot in interest here, particularly since many xda users would happily flash a WinMo rom if it were available!
I have recommended this model to my brother and he loves it, his previous phone was the N95. Now to get the Jet to WinMo!: