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iphone vs WM touchscreen

HEy all
i was using my brothers iPhone earlier on and i couldnt help but notice how responsive his screen is to finger touches! is this something that is unique to the iphone (i.e hardware based) or is there anything to make WM phones that responsive?

Its due to the software being designed with animation in mind, and using graphics accelerators.
To get the same in WM would mean a rewrite of the whole UI basically, but 3rd party software can approximate it.
Surur

Actually it's the hardware too. on the iPhone there's no need for pressure (like on our PPCs). It's enough to touch the screen and it senses it.

Hardware. The iPhone uses an electrostatic like touchscreen while WM uses a pressure sensitive one. The good with the iPhone is that it's sensitive and you can have a hard screen (like the glass they use), but you can't use a stylus or do it with gloves on.

Good bumper sticker
WM USERS DO IT WITH GLOVES ON lol

You mean to tell me that the iphone has one theme,limited customisation and NO stylus?Have they heard of Calligrapher? Then again,guess thats why they call it the iPHONE.I get it now.

Vukile said:
You mean to tell me that the iphone has one theme,limited customisation and NO stylus?Have they heard of Calligrapher? Then again,guess thats why they call it the iPHONE.I get it now.
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limited customization for now!
they will start releasing the ability to use 3rd party apps. Currently, you have to hack through it, inorder to use 3rd party apps (that voids your warrenty)

RPG0 said:
Actually it's the hardware too. on the iPhone there's no need for pressure (like on our PPCs). It's enough to touch the screen and it senses it.
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If you played with touchflo sensitivity on the kaiser etc you will see it does not take much pressure at all for touch to be sensed. Its the software which is more responsive.
Surur

I stumbled somewhere on the net that the iphone screen can sense heat of the fingers that is why its so responsive. But it sure'll give problems over a period of time.

surur said:
If you played with touchflo sensitivity on the kaiser etc you will see it does not take much pressure at all for touch to be sensed. Its the software which is more responsive.
Surur
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You, my friend, are wrong !
I actually own a Kaiser, and i bought my wife a Touch, so i assume i have two of the most finger friendly HTCs out there atm.
I also had a chance to play with an iPhone a little.
It's the hardware that makes the iPhone finger-friendly, unless you don't mind putting some oil on your fingers when using HTC's pressure sensitive screen - it's not that you have to press hard, but you have to press and move, and the screen isn't slippery (unless your screen is really dirty).
You do have a point about the responsiveness of the iPhone, but there are (a few) apps on WM that are pretty fast and the finger thingy is still not that pleasant.
Also, our touchscreens "feature" a lag, which you can see when drawing: draw something and look carefully, you'll see the line is draw a little behind the stylus (don't tell me it's the app, i know for sure there's a 100-200ms lag on input)
Bottomline: i wouldn't trade any of my WM devices for an iPhone, but the iPhone touchscreen really is better - finger-wise, because not being able to use a stylus kinda sucks big time.

Resistive vs Capacitive screens WT???

this is not a rant thread but what is what is what is the hype about capacitive screens?
for one i enjoy using my nails to click stuffs on the phone and wont this be more precise?
i do not have the fortune to have a capacitive phone before but i really want to know what is so good about this?
So many pple cant be wrong right?????????
(p/s I WANT A HTC TOUCH HD 2 NOW )

First post in a long time!!!!
Well, maybe some of you have noted that i was not posting haha. its because im busy at school.. all those knowledge things etc.
Ok, when i saw that title i was already thinking in something that could make a revolutionary change O:!!
Actually, you can fit a resistive screen layer on a capacitive screen surface.
Just with the needed configuration, driver and alternation between screens (ie: using resistive for pen works as writing programs and capacitive for multi-touching things)
Imagine, using the fingertip to scroll smoothly and writing with a pen at the same time ;D! (Just an idea... no one would do that, but anyone could do ;D)
Just with the right libaries, drivers, software and OS modifications.
cuff cuff M$ could try this on its phone or for the new wm7 cuff cuff...
Just an idea ;D!
See ya !!

The sensitivity!!! Can someone confirm if the HTC HD2 has the same sensitivity to the iphone? I know it will be much better than resistive...

leobox1 said:
i do not have the fortune to have a capacitive phone before but i really want to know what is so good about this?So many pple cant be wrong right?????????
(p/s I WANT A HTC TOUCH HD 2 NOW )
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leo... while your waiting on the LEO, just go to an at&t store and play with one on an iphonie

capacitive means that you can put a screen protector on it and it will be pretty much just as sensitive =]
but perhaps the best part is that you can just glide your finger over the surface and it will respond...resistive screens are much less sensitive.
I have read somewhere that HTC was working on a capacitive stylus though..sothat would be the best of both worlds =]

am i right to assume,
resistive = precise but not sensitive
capacitive = not precise but sensitive

Isaygarcia said:
First post in a long time!!!!
Well, maybe some of you have noted that i was not posting haha. its because im busy at school.. all those knowledge things etc.
Ok, when i saw that title i was already thinking in something that could make a revolutionary change O:!!
Actually, you can fit a resistive screen layer on a capacitive screen surface.
Just with the needed configuration, driver and alternation between screens (ie: using resistive for pen works as writing programs and capacitive for multi-touching things)
Imagine, using the fingertip to scroll smoothly and writing with a pen at the same time ;D! (Just an idea... no one would do that, but anyone could do ;D)
Just with the right libaries, drivers, software and OS modifications.
cuff cuff M$ could try this on its phone or for the new wm7 cuff cuff...
Just an idea ;D!
See ya !!
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wont it be thick? the screen..

leobox1 said:
this is not a rant thread but what is what is what is the hype about capacitive screens?
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Resistive screens work by detecting pressure, so you have to press on them, sometimes quite hard. Capacitive screens can detect the lightest of touches. So capacitive screens tend to be more responsive. If you're trying to type on an on-screen keyboard at speed then a capacitive screen is usually far better - you can actually type rapidly rather than having to methodically press. each. key. one. at. a. time.
Another important difference is that, for practical purposes, resistive screens cannot support multi-touch - they can only detect being pressed in one place at once. That means they can't do things like iPhone-style pinch-zooming which requires the phone to track you pressing in two different places at the same time. (There are multi-touch resistive displays but they're too expensive or difficult to use on a device like a phone).
The upside of resistive screens is that you can press them with almost anything. A conventional stylus won't work on a capacitive screen, neither will your fingernail - only skin. So you can't stab the screen with a convenient pen-top, and it won't work if you're wearing gloves. There has been some work done on creating special capacitive styluses - I'm not sure how well they work in practice and they're not yet widely available.

skulk3r said:
capacitive means that you can put a screen protector on it and it will be pretty much just as sensitive =]
but perhaps the best part is that you can just glide your finger over the surface and it will respond...resistive screens are much less sensitive.
I have read somewhere that HTC was working on a capacitive stylus though..sothat would be the best of both worlds =]
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A capacitive one works like the touchpad of a laptop. Sometimes i would prefer a capacitive screen on my Touch HD but sometimes even not. Because you can get much easylier error inputs with a capacitive screen. It just needs that your finger touchs slidly the screen and a input is made. But with a resistive screen you really have to press on it.
A screen with both tecs would be nice, have read something about this, but don´t remember who is inventing this.

Don't know if it's because it's capacitive, but the iPhone screen always seems more readable in direct sunlight compared to my Touch Pro (or Touch 3G, or Touch).
For me personally, I think the problems of cold hands or a stylus not being able to work the screen outweigh the benefits. I also can't get my head around pinch to zoom - I love watching iPhone users trying to demonstrate the feature with one hand, sort of juggling it around trying not to drop it. I prefer double tapping on the bit you want to zoom in on. I can't wait to play with a Leo and see which works best in a 'Windows Phone' environment.

Ouzo said:
For me personally, I think the problems of cold hands or a stylus not being able to work the screen outweigh the benefits. I also can't get my head around pinch to zoom - I love watching iPhone users trying to demonstrate the feature with one hand, sort of juggling it around trying not to drop it. I prefer double tapping on the bit you want to zoom in on. I can't wait to play with a Leo and see which works best in a 'Windows Phone' environment.
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Well obviously pinch-zoom is not designed to work one-handed, but then neither is using a stylus. One advantage of pinch-zoom is that it lets you pick which part of the screen you want to zoom in on and exactly how much you want to zoom in by. Using a zoom-bar doesn't give you any control over where it zooms - it'll always pick (say) the top left hand corner of the screen as a reference point; double-tapping lets you pick where to zoom, but not by how much. Other solutions require additional gestures or presses. Pinch-zooming is also extremely intuitive - non-technical people get the hang of it instantly. Other types of multi-touch gesture are often very intuitive too; for example, running Google Earth on the iPhone, if you want to rotate the map you simply take hold of it and twist.

I think it's interesting how many people were claiming that resistive is better than capacitive whenever they were trying to bash the iphone, yet now those same people can't wait to get their hands on the Leo's capacitive screen.
Personally, I'd rather have resistive. The difference in sensitivity isn't great (so many HD reviews said how close it was to the sensitivity of the iphone). Multitouch is overrated. You can easily zoom in and out with a circle motion on a resistive screen. For me, neither of those capacitive advantages comes close to the benefit of being able to select with a stylus far more accurately than you ever can with a finger. No need to pinch-zoom in to select that link on a web page, or to select a cell in a spreadsheet. That's what's important to me.

capacitive is not good for drawing precise pics right?

HP tablet laptops have some hybrid of resistive and capacitive screens. They have a switch on the side that flicks between them and so they support multi-touch AND stylus
HP Laptop
My mates got one and its dead impressive. Just a shame the screens only 12" If they had them on 17" laptops like the one im using i'd be well up for it!

Capacitive and pinch zoom are both well overrated!
I can touch the screen of my X1 and it responds - no pressure. And I can zoom in by double tapping. Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Probably something started by iPhone fanboys!

Ouzo said:
For me personally, I think the problems of cold hands or a stylus not being able to work the screen outweigh the benefits.
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I totally agree. I don't want to lose the accuracy of a stylus. Why should I have to zoom in to click a small link with a fat finger, when I can click it unzoomed with a stylus? Same with a cell on a spreadsheet.
Multitouch is just a gimmick that really doesn't add anything useful. Either double tap or use the circle gesture to zoom/unzoom.

RIM applied for a patent for a dual capacitive/resistive screen about a month or two.. so someone is working on it.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/05/rim-patent-filing-reveals-hybrid-capacitive-resistive-touchscr/

Monty Burns said:
HP tablet laptops have some hybrid of resistive and capacitive screens. They have a switch on the side that flicks between them and so they support multi-touch AND stylus
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My mates got one and its dead impressive. Just a shame the screens only 12" If they had them on 17" laptops like the one im using i'd be well up for it!
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thats my laptop, did not know it had a hybrid screen. there no switch on the side, the pen works and the multi touch works (i think, if i press in 2 places it the marker goes to the middle) without press any switch.

People who say there x1, diamond 2s and so one are as sensitive as an iPhone, have not tried seeing how gently you can touch it.
I do like capacitives screens, but I will feel lost without a stylus.
Has anyone else noticed on the iPhone, it doesnt respond to a touch with a nail, but if you touch with you finger and then without taking your finger off put it so only your nail is on the screen it still responds!?
Hopefully HTC will soon release the capacitive stylus that isnt a joke like the pogostick one.

Shasarak does make a very good point though regarding the extra operation being involved after double tapping in a particular area - I guess I'm taking the 'scroll wheel' on my Touch Pro for granted and using it to do the second operation without even thinking about it ; )
As an aside, boy would I like to see physical scroll wheels with navipads underneath make a return, not to mention dedicated camera buttons!

Fingerprint doesn't work so good

Hi, I have just bought my new S7 and setup my fingerprint on it.
I didn't have fingerprint on my old phone so I can't compare it but I find it really inaccurate..
It gives me alot of wrongs if I am not landing my finger perfectly centered and sometimes even when it is, its still wrong..
I have tried to reassign fingerprints which does improve it for that couple of minutes but later on when I grab my phone and try to unlock it I get so many wrongs..
Is it just me? or any one else find it frustrating?
Any tips to improve it?
Thanks.

Mine never has issues, if your hands are clean and not prone to being sweaty then I would exchange it.

mcjordan92 said:
Hi, I have just bought my new S7 and setup my fingerprint on it.
I didn't have fingerprint on my old phone so I can't compare it but I find it really inaccurate..
It gives me alot of wrongs if I am not landing my finger perfectly centered and sometimes even when it is, its still wrong..
I have tried to reassign fingerprints which does improve it for that couple of minutes but later on when I grab my phone and try to unlock it I get so many wrongs..
Is it just me? or any one else find it frustrating?
Any tips to improve it?
Thanks.
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Unlike naturally how we expect it to work or how the other sensors like iPhone's, Nexus 6p's etc. works, with Galaxy S7 you should be careful when registering the fingerprint because of the relatively small surface area of the sensor. To make it clear, you can cover almost the whole finger print (considering the relatively large rounded shape of the sensor) in various other devices. While in the case of S7 you should only register the fingerprint in the way your finger will naturally positioned when unlocking. In my case considering the thumb, only an edge of the thumb will only get in contact with the sensor not the the center part or the other areas of the print. So just register the print in the way you normally hold and unlock the phone not keeping in a flat area and registering. If this works there is nothing wrong with the sensor. Otherwise you gonna need to replace the unit.
PS: Correct me if I'm wrong @cadcamaro ;-P

try registering same finger 2 or 3 times, this helps a lot increasing the accuracy of the scanner.
tip and sides of the finger is very important when registering
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Sheryl John said:
Unlike naturally how we expect it to work or how the other sensors like iPhone's, Nexus 6p's etc. works, with Galaxy S7 you should be careful when registering the fingerprint because of the relatively small surface area of the sensor. To make it clear, you can cover almost the whole finger print (considering the relatively large rounded shape of the sensor) in various other devices. While in the case of S7 you should only register the fingerprint in the way your finger will naturally positioned when unlocking. In my case considering the thumb, only an edge of the thumb will only get in contact with the sensor not the the center part or the other areas of the print. So just register the print in the way you normally hold and unlock the phone not keeping in a flat area and registering. If this works there is nothing wrong with the sensor. Otherwise you gonna need to replace the unit.
PS: Correct me if I'm wrong @cadcamaro ;-P
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I personally set up my thumb when my phone is in my hand already, I also make sure that I move my thumb around and read as much of it as possible.

Thanks for all of your tips!!
I don't think my sensor is defected, it works after all..
I'll try the trick for registering only the tip of the thumb which indeed is what usually presses the button.. in fact I did register that part but not only that..
And about the register more than one time the same finger, does this thing actually recommended?
I mean its kinda ruin the machine learning of that thing.. it gets 2 different fingers that looks alike isn't it?

For me, using the thumb only works if I use/register the center of the thumb. The tip never works, but I can live with that. Center always works

works perfectly for me. in comparison to my S6's finger print sensor, this one is 10x better - faster to recognize and unlock and much more accurate.

Terrible fingerpring reader

The fingerprint reader on my Note 10+ is terrible!
It often doesn't recognise 4 or 5 attempts in a row, then locking me out from further biometrical login and I have to use my PIN to get into my phone.
I was kind of expecting for this forum to be full of this problem. Is it only me then?

naujoks said:
The fingerprint reader on my Note 10+ is terrible!
It often doesn't recognise 4 or 5 attempts in a row, then locking me out from further biometrical login and I have to use my PIN to get into my phone.
I was kind of expecting for this forum to be full of this problem. Is it only me then?
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Update to Official Android 10 , and re-write your review after doing that ! :good:
Also look arround for threads regarding some tricks to get a "beter" fingerprint registration

I am on Android 10 already.
It already starts when registering a fingerprint. It constantly says "Press a little harder" when I'm already pressing my thumb right through the screen.
It got that bad after Samsung published the update after people found out their ****ty fingerprint sensor can be fooled by having a screen protector on.
Since then, my fingerprint sensor has been pretty much all but useless.

Your not alone its crappy they should of kept it on the back

im very dissapointed with that fingerprint sensor on my predecessor p30 pro is it shame.. slow and inaccurate, maybe This is due to plastic foil but thats Thinnest foil What ever exists

It only works well if your fingers are little moisturized. Otherwise, it failed often

Yep, I have dry skin and that makes it extremely difficult for the scanner.

magichoward said:
Your not alone its crappy they should of kept it on the back
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Man honestly I wish they would have put the scanner in the power button like on th Huawei mate30 pro

Yes it's rubbish. Worst fingerpront scanner on any phone I've owned. The poor scanner, dropped calls and scrolling issues stop this phone from being 10/10. All very big problems too. I would have kept my Note 8 and not bought this phone had I known.

I just don't use it, lol. Actually I don't use any lock screen at all, not even swipe. I find them annoying. I hide all my stuff in Termux which the average user or theif wouldn't think to look, or even know what they are looking at, lol. I could always lock it or erase it remotely with a few clicks on Google. As long as it's turned on and connected to the internet.

Try this

Register 2 fingerprints only for the same finger with many angles as you can,its worked well for me

I've stopped using the fingerprint scanner altogether and now use facial recognitiong (quick) which works flawlessly.

Fingerprint sensor - anyone else finding it extremely bad?

I'm trying to find out if my device is faulty as the finger print sensor is extremely inconsistent.
Previously capacitive finger print sensors I've used have pretty much been flawless unless your finger was dirty or wet, but I'm getting far too many failures to unlock the Fold2. I'm either greeted with "No match", "Cover the entire sensor" or "Wipe the finger print sensor" messages. It's very temperamental - I can click the button to turn the screen and keep my finger in place and it will give me "No match", if I slightly raise my finger off the button and rest it back on the sensor with my finger in place it will unlock....
I have registered this finger (index on right hand) 4 times in the settings. I can test my fingers in the biometrics section of the app and it seems to register a print every time so it looks like it's an issue with how the sensor works when actually unlocking the phone.

Works fine here, but disabled it. The placement is ridiculous!
/CK

Same thing for me, works fine in apps and elsewhere but unlocking the screen is as frustrating as hell..... had the same issue with the S10e but hoped they had improved things. On research (since the S10e) I believe this only affects certain types of people like me with certain types of skin/fingerprint characteristics. Rear fingerprint scanners are no issue for me at all, it's just side mount !!

It took some getting used to but I like it now. I do wish they where up higher.

I noticed that the way I hold the phone and the placement of the sensor had me using the side of my index and thumb rather than the center of either. I put both in again while being careful to use the side rather center of my finger and it works fine now. Another thing that's a little of a push is that you can set it to always hot which helps. The push part comes in because you can trigger it enough while simply holding the phone that you'll max your attempts accidentally and have to put in your password.

Works fine for me, but as others say, the placement is awful. Holding the closed phone in your hand the way you normally would and you touch the sensor causing the 5 attempted unlocks to kick in so I often end up needing to use pattern unlock.

Works much faster than the Z Flip. But the placement is terrible.
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I am not sure they could have placed it anywhere else.
An in-screen one on the front wouldn't be helpful when you are using the inner screen, and one on the back would be very awkward with the phone open, especially as the inner screen is probably used equally in both portrait and landscape. Certainly wouldn't expect one on the inner screen anyway, the technology is not up to that yet.
But compared to my Note 20 Ultra, the fingerprint reader on the Fold 2 is far more reliable and quicker in my experience.
As someone else said here, the trick is to register your thumb predominantly and scan the edges of your thumb. Note how you hold your phone and use the sensor naturally and use that part of your thumb or finger when registering your prints. And register more than one set using the same finger or thumb.
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Flawless for me

It's a million times better than the S20 series!

Much better than the Flip.
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Works perfectly for me. Better than my Note 10+ did. I like a physical button much better than in-screen. That being said, my N20U fingerprint scanner also works better than the N10+. I have small hands so that might also help. I don't think the placement would be that good for my Husband's large hands though...

Works fine for me!

its fine for me. i had to set it for a few fingers though based on the diff ways of holding it

OG Fold user here and it's absolutely awful and inconsistent for me. Easily the worst scanner I've ever used in a phone.

My problem is locating it on the side of the phone if there was some sort of indentation or something to better locate it, I think it would work better.

I find it pretty reliable to the point that I can unlock it without trying based on how I reach for my phone in my pocket. I also find it mostly well-placed when holding it with the main screen open and using it for apps or to unlock the phone.