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How much has anyone pushed an orange M600 with overclocking?
JD
Well I have the i-mate version as you can see from my sig.
It works great at 256. I tried 272 but after a couple of minutes it lost the cell signal then hang all together.
Although I only overclock when I run TCPMP with DIVX encoded movies.
Mine also can go up to 272.. ..but I've got it on 240MHz constantly for stability. 252MHz should also be no problem, but there is no noticeable difference for me then.
There is probably a omap thread somewhere where people also discuss there maximum speeds etc.
Actually now that you mention it, the thread is right here .
I was almost 100% sold on the Polaris as my next device but battery life is very important to me. I currently have an HTC P3300 (well, O2 XDA Orbit) and with the increased battery capacity of the Polaris (1350mAh vs 1200mAh in my Orbit) plus the claimed better specs from HTC (GSM 7 hours talk/400 hours standby for the Touch Cruise vs 3.5-5 hours talk/150-200 hours standby for the P3300) I really hoped that HTC had dodged any battery life issues.
I just found this review however (http://www.mobile88.com/mobilegallery/phonereview.asp?phone=HTC_Touch_Cruise&pg=review&prodid=20785&cat=37) and it has me worried. The bit I'm worried about is right at the bottom of the page:
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The multimedia cycle tests in comparison to the results demonstrated by the original Touch and P3300 are given below:
Multimedia-cycle, video (AVI) Polaris=4:08 Artemis=5:20 Elf=5:38
Multimedia-cycle, audio (MP3) Polaris=13:49 Artemis=21:34 Elf=18:07
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You can see that for MP3 the Polaris is way worse than the Artemis (I'm assuming the numbers are <hours>:<minutes> of play time). With what I commented on in my first paragraph these results really suprise me.
Does anyone know the conditions/details of the video and audio multimedia-cycle tests above? I'm wondering if somehow the conditions for the Polaris test were less favourable than those for the Artemis. Maybe the MP3 decoder software was different between the Artemis and the Polaris and the latter was dramatically less efficient although I'm probably clutching at straws here. Any other thoughts, comments or real life results from owners?
- Julian
funny how the 2 wm6 devices have lower batt time then the wm5 device
would be intresting if a test with an aramis with wm6 was don
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funny how the 2 wm6 devices have lower batt time then the wm5 device
would be intresting if a test with an aramis with wm6 was don
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That's a really interesting point. I was considering upgrading my device to WM6 using one of the cooked ROMs from this site, or the official O2 Orbit one, but I decided not to after seeing quite a few posts here by people who had done it and reported that the battery life on their devices went down a lot after upgrading to WM6 so I do wonder if that is the issue.
- Julian
I already ordered a second battery. I always do regardless of the device. One less thing to worry about
I am impressed with the battery capacity of the Polaris compared to my MIO A201. Running Tomtom without charging on the MIO A201 about 2 hours, with the Polaris 4 hours.
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I am impressed with the battery capacity of the Polaris compared to my MIO A201. Running Tomtom without charging on the MIO A201 about 2 hours, with the Polaris 4 hours.
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What screen brightness is that set at? I'm assuming that the MP3 test results I quoted are with the screen blanked because if not then almost 24 hours on an Artemis with the screen on is pretty amazing.
If the tests do involve the screen being on (and surely they must with the video tests?) then I do wonder if the brightness settings were the same between the Artemis and Polaris tests.
If you look at some pictures further up in the review that I linked to in the first post of this thread then you can pretty clearly see that, I assume with both set to maximum brightness, the Polaris screen is noticeably brighter than the Artemis, so it isn't really fair on the Polaris to run any <screen on maximum> tests with both having the backlight set to full; it would be much fairer to adjust the Polaris backlight to give as close to possible the same brightness as the Artemis screen on full. Just maybe this accounts for some of the difference.
Thanks a lot Alex for the info on the TomTom results but I'd love to hear some real-life results of people playing music in a loop with the screen blanked and also discharge rates with the device just left at idle but with the auto-off and backlight-off disabled so that the screen stays alive. How much does the battery drain after 2 hours of sitting idle like this?
The reason I ask my questions is because the things that burn the most "activity hours" on my device are playing music with the screen blanked (hence my first request) and reading ebooks, for which my second requested test is probably a fairly reasonable approximation.
- Julian
They're comparing it to two devices with OMAP processors. Power savings is one of the reasons the OMAP was used before. It's either power or battery, rarely both unless the device is large. You could probably underclock to increase battery life.
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They're comparing it to two devices with OMAP processors. Power savings is one of the reasons the OMAP was used before. It's either power or battery, rarely both unless the device is large. You could probably underclock to increase battery life.
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You hit the nail right on the head. I have not bothereed to check the source so I do not know the purpsoe of the test. In any case if you want 3 days of music you would be better of with an iP.... If you want processing power then you look for a device that will not make you fall asleep just waiting for a page to refresh
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They're comparing it to two devices with OMAP processors. Power savings is one of the reasons the OMAP was used before. It's either power or battery, rarely both unless the device is large. You could probably underclock to increase battery life.
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I was expecting someone to say this and I'm afraid that my hunch, which I am willing to admit could be wrong, makes me disagree with this. There is some reasoning to justify my hunch and it goes as follows.
Make the following assumptions (all numbers chosen for ease of arithmetic rather than accuracy since I am just trying to demonstrate a principle rather than derive results):
1) Yes, the CPU in the Polaris is more powerful than the one in the Artemis and lets assume that the Polaris CPU (PCPU for short) is exactly twice as powerful as the Artemis CPU (ACPU for short). By twice as powerful I mean that in any given second the PCPU will process twice as many instructions as the ACPU.
2) I am assuming that both CPUs have some sort of speed stepping technology such that, when they are not under load, the power consumption drops significantly to a fairly trivial value and I will assume that for both CPUs the idle power consumption is equivalent.
3) Assume that at full load the PCPU has twice the power consumption of the ACPU.
4) Assume that it takes a 100,000,000 instructions to decode and play 1 second of music (i.e. 100MIPS = 100 million instructions per second) and that the ACPU can only just manage this so when playing music the ACPU is at 100% load for 100% of the time.
With the above assumptions my point now is that a more powerful CPU won't create a serious decline in battery life when playing music because the 100 million instructions required to be executed for 1 second of music is constant so a 100MIPS processor will need to run flat out constantly to play music whereas a 200MIPS processor will only need to be at 100% load for 0.5 seconds in any given second and for the rest of the time it can be speed stepped right down. With the idealised assumptions above there would actually be no impact whatsoever on power consumption for any arbitrary processor power (for processors that have at least sufficient power to keep up with the music stream).
A further piece of real life evidence is, if it is solely or even predominantly down to the processor, then why is the Elf managing 18:07 on the MP3 test compared to the Artemis 13:49 (and that I believe this is with a smaller battery than the Artemis, 1100mAh vs 1250mAh; info taken from the specs on the HTC web site)?
Maybe assumption (2) is wrong which does hurt my argument somewhat, or maybe there are software differences, in the MP3 player and/or in WM6 itself, that stops the PCPU dropping its power consumption down as much when it's not actively decoding, but that Elf vs Artemis test result difference still makes me wonder what else is going on.
Honestly, I'm really hoping this is just due to a badly run test on the Polaris (not same conditions as Artemis test) and that the result is an Anomaly.
- Julian
I've had the xda Stellar (tytn II), which is very very similar to the polaris, for the last week, and the battery is, I'm sorry to say, the worse I've ever come across.
For the first few days, I was using it heavily and managed 1.5 days. Figured this would increase as I used it less. Took it off charge 5 hours ago, made a 20 minute phone call, sent 3 text messages, and used the word processor for 30 minutes. 75% battery left.
I'm sending it back and waiting for the Orbit 2 to be released. Fingers crossed the keyboard has some strange battery draining feature.
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I've had the xda Stellar (tytn II), which is very very similar to the polaris, for the last week, and the battery is, I'm sorry to say, the worse I've ever come across.
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The Stellar only has an 1100mAh battery while the Polaris has 1350mAh. Sounds little but makkes a differece of 200 (yes, 200!) hours of StandBy time.
This means the Stellar specs say 250h whereas the Polais spec sheet says 450h.
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For the first few days, I was using it heavily and managed 1.5 days. Figured this would increase as I used it less. Took it off charge 5 hours ago, made a 20 minute phone call, sent 3 text messages, and used the word processor for 30 minutes. 75% battery left.
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Yeah. That's very bad. I wonder if there's something wrong with your unit. According to the spec on the HTC web site you should be getting talk time of "Up to 264 minutes for UMTS - Up to 420 minutes for GSM". As far as I'm aware holding a call is by far the most battery-draining thing you can do on a device so if we count your 30 minutes of word processing as another 30 minutes of talk time we're probably grossly over-estimating but, on that assumption (and adding 5 minutes for the texts) that's only an equivalent of 55 minutes of talk time. Were you on 3G or GSM for all this? I suppose if it was 3G then maybe you could have expected the battery to be down to 79% but if it was GSM then the battery really shouldn't have been much below 87%.
Admittedly I think these talk time figures quoted by manufacturers are in very ideal conditions (i.e. very high signal strength from the mast) so what sort of reception area you were in when you made the call is an issue but I think that is probably counteracted by the fact that I probably vastly overestimated the power drain when word processing.
An interesting (free) utility is abcPowerMeter (http://www.acbpocketsoft.com/). It would be very interesting to compare the current consumption on the Artemis, the Polaris and the Tyan II.
If anyone is up for this then I suggest the state to test would be with the system sitting on the today screen, disable the auto-off but do allow the backlight to go off or manually disable it so that differing screen brightness isn't a factor. Also put the phone into flight mode so that all radios are off (to factor out any effects of different signal strengths) and then start abcPowerMeter and let it run for about 30 minutes during which time it should, in theory, settle to a pretty straight line showing the current drawn from the battery in this state.
I would most certainly do an Artemis (or rather O2 XDA Orbit) test but unfortunately the reason for my intense interest in all things Polaris is that my Orbit died on new year's eve (no, I didn't drop it or sit on it at a party!) so my device is totally dead.
- Julian
Could the Today plugins be making a difference? I'm thinking particularly the weather plugin. I've seen other discussions where people report battery life problems on various devices and one often-mentioned that people suggest to check is what Today plugins are running.
With the new devices now 3G, and 3G using a lot more power than 2/2.5G when active, I'm wondering if the weather plugin is causing 3G to be active and hurting power. How often does the weather plugin connect and can it be disabled? Not wanting to take the thread off topic but one thing I'd like to do if/when I get a Polaris is to disable the weather plugin on the Today screen, is this possible?
For my use, since I am concerned about battery life, I intend to keep my device in GSM mode and only switch to 3G when I want to connect to the internet and, when finished, I will immediately disable 3G again. I certainly don't want any plugins regularly polling the internet and turning stuff on without my permission.
- Julian
acbPowerMeter
I installed acbPowerMeter this afternoon, after noticing that my battery was draining extremely fast (~ 4 to 5 hours). The tool showed that the TC was using approx 320mA on average
I've been running the tool for some hours now, and after two hours the power consumption slowly lowered. I've been switching the screen off and on and have had the GSM radio on all the time. The avg value returned to ~20mA.
I'll keep an eye on power consumption, because now I don't trust the device anymore. I don't know what caused the huge change in power consumption in the first place.
Thanks for those test results Muyz. It's great to have some real data, but I'm sorry to hear that you're having battery problems too.
Regarding your results, did you start abcPowerMeter (APM for short) while your device was still plugged into the USB port? I noticed that when I had APM running when my device was charging then I got a very high mA reading (about 250mA on my 1200mAh O2 XDA Orbit) so I think the fact that there is charge current coming in confuses APM somewhat and, for the average, it could be that after you unplug it will take a while for the minutes or hours of false high readings to creep out of the statistics. I always made very sure that my device was fully unplugged before starting an APM session.
Regarding the 20mAh reading, that actually sounds very good to me. Unfortunately I'm recalling all this from memory because, as I said in an earlier post, my device is now totally dead, but I seem to remember about 29mA as as low as I saw. With the screen on the figure of 79mA sticks in my mind. As with you, these figures were all with GSM on. I had Bluetooth and WiFi disabled.
One thing that really suprised me with my tests was that, when I had a good GSM signal, I couldn't detect any difference in current drain between having GSM switched on or off (just registered to the network of course, not actually with a call active). The additional current drawn from having GSM on didn't even seem to be 1mA. The story is different in a no-signal area where the GSM keeps searching for a signal, that drained the battery really quickly.
- Julian
3G CONNECTION need more battery consumation(if you dont need disable), configure for normale use GSM, and the duration is guarantee...
New battery monitor tool
I've discovered a serious bug in the acbPowerMeter tool. The implementation of the tool does not use the proper types
This is why I've done a little programming myself last evening. The attachment to this tool contains a preliminary version of my own battery monitoring tool. It provides the correct battery readings for remaining power and current power consumption. One can adjust the polling frequency. I will complete the tool somewhere this or next week and put it on my website for download (freeware).
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I've discovered a serious bug in the acbPowerMeter tool. The implementation of the tool does not use the proper types
This is why I've done a little programming myself last evening. The attachment to this tool contains a preliminary version of my own battery monitoring tool. It provides the correct battery readings for remaining power and current power consumption. One can adjust the polling frequency. I will complete the tool somewhere this or next week and put it on my website for download (freeware).
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Hi Muyz,
Not wanting to jinx this, but I'm cautiously optimistic that I just un-bricked my O2 XDA Orbit (Artemis) so, as long as it doesn't go bad on me again I might now be in a position to contribute Artemis (or re-branded Artemis) data for comparison.
In preperation for the tests I'm really interested in what are the problems you found with abcPowerMeter. You say above that it "does not use the proper types". What do you mean by this? As a (fairly old) computer scientist this immediately makes me think of types as in a typed computer language (e.g. it's declaring something as int instead of long or short instead of bool). Is this what you mean? Please excuse my ignorance, I know theory but have never been anywhere near any Windows, let alone Windows Mobile, programming environments; if you do mean language types then how did you detect this without the source code (or did you find that somehow or disassemble)?
If you don't mean variable typing then what do you mean?
In any event, many thanks for the work Muyz.
I un-bricked my device by re-flashing (twice) the official O2 WM6 ROM so when (assuming my device stays stable) I start running current consumption tests then I think it's probably quite good that I upgraded my device to WM6 because that removes one variable (is the current drain a WM5 -> WM6 issue?) so we can at least compare Artemis to Polaris on a fairly like-for-like basis regarding the OS version.
I'm really glad I started this thread, I think there's been some really interesting and useful discussion here and I certainly wasn't expecting to have people jumping in and posting fixed versions of the current-monitoring software, that was a really nice surprise (but I'm still really looking forward to hearing exactly what the issue was).
- Julian
Battery life in cooked ROMs - weather plugin
Hi guys,
in some cooked ROMs there seems to be a bug in the radio rom or simply in general. I've read several posts where people had the gsm units in their Artemis on full power most of the time causing the device to lose power very fast. This happened only with cooked ROMs, not with official versions. They noticed that when they had their phone close to speakers which caused the buzzing noise that you usually get when there is an incoming call or short message.
The other thing that consumes power is the weather plugin, but only when you have the auto-update activated! I disabled it and never had problems.
I think I'll buy this device anyways, haven't read any serious reasons not to buy it.
Thanks for your response, and I hope your device works properly now.
About the type issue: acdPowerMeter (obviously) uses the Windows API to retrieve battery information. It receives the information through a structure that contains signed integers. It seems as if acbPowerSoft managed to introduce a typing error by using unsigned integers instead of signed integers. The effect is that for negative values (e.g. when current is drawn from the battery), acbPowerMeter shows extremely large values. I discovered what is the most likely reason for this mistake: Microsoft shows an example on their website on how to retrieve battery status information. Their example shows the error clearly: the C# class use unsigned integers, whereas the native structure contains signed integers as you can see here. So I guess acbPocketSoft copied some code without checking the result
I do not have a clue on what caused the extreme battery drain I encountered a few days ago. I have not seen it since. Soon, my tool will include a warning mechanism. I first added a few other small things, such as battery temperature, as you can see in the new attachment
(Yes, I know, it contains a small glitch on exiting the application, but that will be fixed asap)
I currently own and use a HTC Mozart on WP7.5 but since I got myself a 3D monitor and soon a 3DTV I have got interested in changing over to the LG Optimus 3D apart from the obvious software difference (please note I have previously had HTC Desire/Desire HD/Legend etc so I am adapt to Android) I have to look towards the Optimus as no-one near me has the EVO 3D for sale
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I currently own and use a HTC Mozart on WP7.5 but since I got myself a 3D monitor and soon a 3DTV I have got interested in changing over to the LG Optimus 3D apart from the obvious software difference (please note I have previously had HTC Desire/Desire HD/Legend etc so I am adapt to Android) I have to look towards the Optimus as no-one near me has the EVO 3D for sale
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Good luck 3D is the only good part about it. If you're interested i can sell you mine with 2 xtra batteries. One 3500mAMP with extra big back plate.
Yeah i would honestly advise against getting one. Ive had it with running out of ram every few hours.
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Why do people complain about battery life surely it depends on usage?
When I had my Desire HD others were getting between 15-24 hours whereas after getting optimal charges I was getting between 24-36 hours. I am not a 'heavy' user but it does usually take me a good week or 2 to get to an optimal charge.
Compared to the DHD
Battery:
Idle battery life is similar (around 6-15% a night on 3G)
Music playback battery usage is significantly lower. (i get around 20 minutes to the percent on O3D, 4-8 on the DHD)
Screen on battery life (any brightness) is lower than screen on Max brightness on the desire hd - I get at least 4 hours of continuous screen on with 100% brightness on the Andrev 6.31 rom, whereas i can barely get 4 hours screen on time on any O3D ROM @ minimum brightness.
Screen on + Gaming battery life is significantly lower. I sometimes don't even get 1 minute out of 1% on the O3D.
Other:
O3D slightly faster
Sense is awesome, LG launcher is horribly fail and laggy.
The stock LG lockscreen takes around 1-2 seconds to appear after opening the screen whilst DHD is instant. This isn't due to the phone itself, as when PlayerPro replaces the lockscreen, starting up in instantaneous.
The DHD camera is much easier to use. LG camera takes 3 seconds to start, and another 3 to take a photo. Quality wise though, LG is similar, even though DHD's is 8mp.
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I currently own and use a HTC Mozart on WP7.5 but since I got myself a 3D monitor and soon a 3DTV I have got interested in changing over to the LG Optimus 3D apart from the obvious software difference (please note I have previously had HTC Desire/Desire HD/Legend etc so I am adapt to Android) I have to look towards the Optimus as no-one near me has the EVO 3D for sale
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Since you are mainly interested on the 3D features, the on-screen 3D experience of the Optimus 3D is way ahead of the EVO 3D; there is absolutely no comparison between those too. As for playing the O3D videos on my 3DTV the quality (up to 720p) and the 3D effects are very good.
Regarding the rest of the O3D features pros and cons, you could stay with the Froyo or upgrade to GB which has increased battery life but it suffers from ghost calls (with some people/phones).
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Since you are mainly interested on the 3D features, the on-screen 3D experience of the Optimus 3D is way ahead of the EVO 3D; there is absolutely no comparison between those too. As for playing the O3D videos on my 3DTV the quality (up to 720p) and the 3D effects are very good.
Regarding the rest of the O3D features pros and cons, you could stay with the Froyo or upgrade to GB which has increased battery life but it suffers from ghost calls (with some people/phones).
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Cheers,
As for battery life I don't expect it will last as long as a 2D phone but IMHO the battery life is all down to correctly charging the phone (when I stick a phone on charge I never take it off charge until 100% even if I do take it off charge at say 75% I always let it run down then charge it overnight) and how much usage the phone gets eg, heavy use could be 6-12 hours very lite use 24-30 hours.
I should of been a little clearer on my question, my main question other then the one answered above is on general app performance, sound quality and usability how does this phone fair?
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Cheers,
As for battery life I don't expect it will last as long as a 2D phone but IMHO the battery life is all down to correctly charging the phone (when I stick a phone on charge I never take it off charge until 100% even if I do take it off charge at say 75% I always let it run down then charge it overnight) and how much usage the phone gets eg, heavy use could be 6-12 hours very lite use 24-30 hours.
I should of been a little clearer on my question, my main question other then the one answered above is on general app performance, sound quality and usability how does this phone fair?
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General app performance is pretty good. It plays most GPU intensive games well. The only games i've experienced lag for is GTA III and Dungeon Defenders. All converted 3D games lag.
Sound quality is excellent compared to other devices I've used.
However, you'll probably have to at least install a new launcher. The LG launcher is laggy, and pretty horrible. Most other LG apps perform poorly as well - the lockscreen takes around 1-2 seconds to start, the camera takes 3+ seconds.
Please do not get one, there are great when they work, sadly LG software support is awfull and with all the various different issues I genuinely couldnt recommend an LG phone to anyone.
I decided to take the plunge and changed from my HTC Mozart to the Optimus 3D (secondhand) and so far I am not disappointed,
Things I was expecting:
1, slightly lower battery duration (still in the process of priming my battery and so far I have got just under 23 hours medium usage)
2, it was already on GB 2.3.5 (V21A), kernal 2.6.35.7, build GRJ90 so was expecting some of the GB issues
3, half expect ghost calls but had zero ghost calls
Wasn't expecting,
1, odd battery stats (but after reading the threads on here looks like it is normal for GB on O3D)
2, better quality video recording (compared to me HTC Mozart which struggled on 720p recordings)
So now just waiting like other O3D users for a further update from LG but I am very happy so far with my choice. Come off it Samsung Galaxy 1 and 2 users suffered from various issues so no phone is perfect
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General app performance is pretty good. It plays most GPU intensive games well. The only games i've experienced lag for is GTA III and Dungeon Defenders. All converted 3D games lag.
Sound quality is excellent compared to other devices I've used.
However, you'll probably have to at least install a new launcher. The LG launcher is laggy, and pretty horrible. Most other LG apps perform poorly as well - the lockscreen takes around 1-2 seconds to start, the camera takes 3+ seconds.
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I haven't had converted games lag but I use Juwes ram manager to set ram to hard gaming if I play a game and am low on ram at the time.
Lg launcher can as you say be replaced. I use nemus launcher but go launcher is also a good alternative.
LG should have put 1gb ram in at start rather than release an almost identical sequel phone with it later on but the phones good. I've considered flashing a new 3D rom but not dared to yet, but have read that using Thaiz rom is good.
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
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A few Note questions....
Does it have different "power modes" or is it full speed at all times?
Does the screen have "dynamic contrast" that causes flickering (like the TF700)?
Can a capacitive stylus be used or is the Note stylus the only one that works?
Do apps or the browser occasionally hang with an eventual message to wait or quit?
In continuous use with wifi on, the display at mid-brightness (50%?), and a mix of office apps, file transfers, web use, and an arcade game here and there (no video or audio playback), what kind of battery life can reasonably be expected? Six, seven, eight hours? More? Be honest because forums and reviewers really lose credibility with this one and 7000ma can only go so far. All answers with screen shots showing 26.7 hours or higher will be discarded.
Opinions from current or former Samsung Tab 10.1 or Asus TF700 owners are especially welcome.
Thanks.
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A few Note questions....
Does it have different "power modes" or is it full speed at all times?
Does the screen have "dynamic contrast" that causes flickering (like the TF700)?
Can a capacitive stylus be used or is the Note stylus the only one that works?
Do apps or the browser occasionally hang with an eventual message to wait or quit?
In continuous use with wifi on, the display at mid-brightness (50%?), and a mix of office apps, file transfers, web use, and an arcade game here and there (no video or audio playback), what kind of battery life can reasonably be expected? Six, seven, eight hours? More? Be honest because forums and reviewers really lose credibility with this one and 7000ma can only go so far. All answers with screen shots showing 26.7 hours or higher will be discarded.
Opinions from current or former Samsung Tab 10.1 or Asus TF700 owners are especially welcome.
Thanks.
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See my post (#18) in this thread, thpugh you might reject it because it show 37 hours of use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828638&page=2
Not sure why uou'd reject a positive report, but to each his own.
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A few Note questions....
Be honest because forums and reviewers really lose credibility with this one and 7000ma can only go so far. All answers with screen shots showing 26.7 hours or higher will be discarded.
Thanks.
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What're you? With the feds, or something? It's just a tablet, and they're just reviews and screen shots.
he'd disregard those because he's interested in continuous mixed normal use - not just continuous video looping, which we'd all agree that even 10+ hours may be near impossible. i doubt i could even use the device continuously until it dies as i just can't dedicate that much time.
kinda buttholish the way he's asking, but i'm also curious.
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he'd disregard those because he's interested in continuous mixed normal use - not just continuous video looping, which we'd all agree that even 10+ hours may be near impossible. i doubt i could even use the device continuously until it dies as i just can't dedicate that much time.
kinda buttholish the way he's asking, but i'm also curious.
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Well, fwiw and in the event the 26.7 hour limit is relaxed (I hope all of you recognize I'm being facetious and dont care, but am posting as others with lowere standards may benefit)... the screenahots I posted we after a day and a half of fairly routine usage. Wifi continiously on, mix of browsing and other activity with roughly 7 hours screen on time. During this time I also tested sd card and usb functionality by transferring roughly 25gb of data from usb to the external sd card mounted in the Note, which included 4 HD movies and a bunch of lossless (flac) music. That process took over an hour ( dont know exactly how long as I left it running whem I went to supper), mainly screen off. I think 30+% remaining battery after 37 hours on battery including this type of mixed use is pretty solid.
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What're you? With the feds, or something? It's just a tablet, and they're just reviews and screen shots.
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My my, a bit touchy are you? I'll have to talk to Edgar and have the boys run a check on you. Subtle irony seems to be lost on a few of you and perhaps I should have said 26.7 days. Amazing tales of tablet battery life are everywhere and all I want to know is how long it runs on a full charge before it dies without tricks, magic video loops, power saving modes, app tricks, or other methods of increasing the mileage. What's your real answer?
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Haidozo said:
My my, a bit touchy are you? I'll have to talk to Edgar and have the boys run a check on you. Subtle irony seems to be lost on a few of you and perhaps I should have said 26.7 days. Amazing tales of tablet battery life are everywhere and all I want to know is how long it runs on a full charge before it dies without tricks, magic video loops, power saving modes, app tricks, or other methods of increasing the mileage. What's your real answer?
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Same point as my original post - they're just reviews and screen shots. I don't believe any of them. I believe my stats.
I've confirmed, with CPU spy, that when tablet is put into power savings mode and CPU one is checked,the Max frequency is 1ghz. For me, device still performs great in this mode. No significant loss in performance. I haven't tried playing games like nova3 in this mode yet. I will shortly. But web pages still load up fast with it.
FWIW, I'm at 9 hours, though no way to prove it except my tables, with pretty heavy use the whole time - downloading apps, no browsing, setting things up, testing, playing games, etc. I'm fairly pleased. I'm going to run it down a bit more, track the final bit, and then charge it.
Haidozo said:
Does it have different "power modes" or is it full speed at all times?
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I did not find different power modes to select as user, but my SystemPanel app showed me up to two processors in sleep mode. So I assume that the power modes are selected automatically with regard to system load.
Does the screen have "dynamic contrast" that causes flickering (like the TF700)?
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The contrast can be set to "automatic" and in opposite to my former Tab 10.1 (P7500), an offset can be defined, so the automatic mode can be moved between darker and brighter.
Can a capacitive stylus be used or is the Note stylus the only one that works?
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The digitizer only recognizes the inductive pen. But also the "old" pen of my Toshiba Portege from 2004 works and the "rubber" of that pen is recognized, too. So I assume that most Wacom pens will work. Of course, you can use a capacitive pen, but with the same limitations as on every other tablet (missing palm rejection, not exact, ...).
Do apps or the browser occasionally hang with an eventual message to wait or quit?
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No.
In continuous use with wifi on, the display at mid-brightness (50%?), and a mix of office apps, file transfers, web use, and an arcade game here and there (no video or audio playback), what kind of battery life can reasonably be expected?
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I used the Note 10.1 throughout the last 1 1/2 week. I used it at home and travelling long distance by train, with wifi and 3G (which is in the train quite power consuming). Taking it from the recharger around 6 am in the morning, I never ended below 20% at 22/23 pm. Yesterday, it rested here at my desk and was used occasionally, it had 80% in the night. The device usage was around 30%.
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the OnePlus 2, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the OnePlus 2 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
well made phone, doesn't feel flimsy. SD810 doesn't seem to have the heat issues, screen could be a little better outside, battery life is great, the notification slider on the side is brilliant idea. Oxygen OS by itself sucks but with Xposed and several modules made the phone tons better.
Nice nice phone. I don't regret it!
Battery
Battery standby is extreme long. Tested it: in 12hours lost 3%. (Wi-Fi and Mobile Network was permamently active in my test)
But the active display standby is ~~~ lame.
Its got bit warm than my one+1 but it's ok.
Chasis/Design
The Chasis of phone is real AlMg. You can brake someones nose with that (not tested! )
It feels good in my hands, a bit heavier than one+1
Buyed with Kevlar StyleSwap Cover. Too bad, it's not fitting perfectly but it sit.
Sound
Speakers are louder than my laptop speakers. Clear Sound, no scratches heared.
Speed test and stability
Fast app start, smooth scrolling, switches fast between the apps.
Antutu Benchmark test:
Test run fine with over 55fps average.
With fully installed apps, games, tools etc..
Benchmark result: >58000
Camera/Video
Photo quality is very good. Takes pictures faster as one+1 and in good quality. nothing to say negative about it.
Videos are in good quality too. You can take slow-motion videos too (720p with 120fps)
SD Card
It's a bit faster as in one+1!
~3451MB (28183 files) Recovery backup done in 74 sec.
64MB/s Read/Write speed.
For a phone with 64GB internal memory it's enough speed.
Well. That's all importand tests i have done. If i have missed something, write it down here. i try to answer.
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Very easy to unlock bootloader. Same way as in one+1.
Done it in under 5 minutes
On my old phone it was a real ass-disaster... (Xperia S) Never ever again
There are minor software glitches. But I expect everything to be fine in coming months. More than decent performance
love...mostly
i like the oneplus 2 overall, but not yet real excited about oxygen and updates only about once a month since purchase.
the type c connector seems to be usb type 2. OP apparently neglected to make accessory cables (power & otg) for the type c connection on 1+2, except power cable that comes w/phone. this, as of dec., 2015.
For otg: apparently you must go backwards to their usb type 2 otg (made for 1+1) and use their adapter from micro usb to type c connector.
tried a 3rd party otg type c that is usb 3.1: incompatable. perhaps update will fix this (i hope, since i
want to be able to use a flash drive w/phone since it has no micro sd slot). snc
I can try many roms
I can try many roms
XDA_RealLifeReview said:
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the OnePlus 2, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the OnePlus 2 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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Awesome phone
overall. i m very dissapointed with this phone. Beautiful hardware with strong internals, the oos just make this phone extremely slow
Really love the phone since i installed CM 13
That runs really smooth and fast + great batterylife
I don't know if my OPT is defective, the speaker volume is very low. youtube videos or music is "ok" but especially ringtones are very low, I can't hear them outside of my house. At work in my pants it's impossible to hear and feel the phone because the vibration isn't strong enough. If Frenk_Ryder writes that the speaker is louder then the notebook speakers it's hard to believe for me. really?
and the battery life is horrible on my device. plugged it off the charger on 6 am and have only 20 percent on 12 pm with 2 - 3 hours SOT. I'm using the unofficial mahdi builds of cm13. the performance is good but Android System seems to be a battery hogger. I don't know why or what's the problem.
oxygen OS lacks much features of Cyanogen OS or Cyanogenmod and is "not complete at all", and Android System always is on top of the battery stats list. what is the issue for that? I mean Oxygen OS 2.2.0, older versions may be better in terms of battery life?
I hope anyone can help me with my device. thx
Was contemplating going with the Galaxy S6, but the Notification Slider was a real deal-maker for me (especially being loyal to the Galaxy lineup since S1).
Now owning the 1+2, I noticed I can not discreetly silent my phone in my pocket without taking it out and drawing attention in a meeting).
Have any of you found the Notification Slider to be a lot more useful than you originally thought it to be?
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overall. i m very dissapointed with this phone. Beautiful hardware with strong internals, the oos just make this phone extremely slow
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Time to root & install another rom H2O is really fine, just try it :laugh:
Sprint82 said:
I don't know if my OPT is defective, the speaker volume is very low. youtube videos or music is "ok" but especially ringtones are very low, I can't hear them outside of my house. At work in my pants it's impossible to hear and feel the phone because the vibration isn't strong enough. If Frenk_Ryder writes that the speaker is louder then the notebook speakers it's hard to believe for me. really?
and the battery life is horrible on my device. plugged it off the charger on 6 am and have only 20 percent on 12 pm with 2 - 3 hours SOT. I'm using the unofficial mahdi builds of cm13. the performance is good but Android System seems to be a battery hogger. I don't know why or what's the problem.
oxygen OS lacks much features of Cyanogen OS or Cyanogenmod and is "not complete at all", and Android System always is on top of the battery stats list. what is the issue for that? I mean Oxygen OS 2.2.0, older versions may be better in terms of battery life?
I hope anyone can help me with my device. thx
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When does the issue appear about the volume speaker ?
For the battery life, try another rom ( CM13, Skydragon, H2O, .. )
Djarenga said:
Time to root & install another rom H2O is really fine, just try it :laugh:
When does the issue appear about the volume speaker ?
For the battery life, try another rom ( CM13, Skydragon, H2O, .. )
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tried almost all the roms, some have something or the other missing, others have serious battery drain some have wifi issues, others camera is bull****. I miss my z2 so much and i will sell my op2 and get a nexus 7 or whatever its called, when its released
awesome, just needs a bit of software polish...
Near flawless
I have had many phones, mostly Samsungs and LGs. Let me tell you this Oneplus 2 is the perfect phone. WIth the latest OOS 3.0.1 MM, Xposed with Gravitybox, and nova launcher on top, it's a brilliant setup. This thing gets higher scores than the Nexus 6p on every benchmark i've tested, I can game for at least 33 minutes straight of Nova3 (that's the longest straight time I've played any game so far) and no overheating and NO lagging or slowdowns. I don't understand the controversy over overheating and throttling, perhaps the latest models being manufactured are the best models. Overall, I love this phone, also, battery life is incredibly for me. I go two days without one charge and that's using texting about 500 sms a day and web browsing, light youtube, and light music, ON wifi. I've never had a phone quite like it, and for 350 bucks! Awesome.:good::good::good:
Coming from a clapped out Nexus 4, I wanted to really like my One Plus 2 (Oxygen OS 2.2.1) but it was hard; a perfectly adequate phone, but not overwhelming.
The Marshmallow upgrade to Oxygen 3.0.2 has made it the phone it should always have been. It's faster, the fingerprint unlock is better and instantaneous (and no need to wake the device first), the occasional stutters have stopped, the battery lasts longer on standby.
The two standout features for me, however, are not software. Firstly, the alert slider is brilliant. Secondly, there are plenty of cheap Dual SIM phones but few decent ones (in the UK at least).
I only got access to the true potential of the sd810 after switching to a custom rom & kernel
Its Great phone overall.
I guess the sales could be much larger quantities if there were not invites.
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I have developed a great degree of love for this phone, especially since it got a wealth of custom ROMs. It performs well, the battery life is excellent, it doesn't prevent me from installing custom ROMs or rooting, and all-in-all I love it. It handles everything I throw at it like a champ, and doesn't complain, and all for less than $300
its a good phone, but i had few hard times because of lack software updates from manufacturer (no android 7.0, no android 7.1, nothing) like on every other non-google phone, but thats life i finally fixed all major issues and it simply works, so i like it again