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Partially solved; Orbit 2 (Polaris) WLAN soooooo slow

Hi,
got my new "toy" yesterday and i am very amazed but I
noticed a major problem with Wireless LAN today.
If I connect to my router by WPA PSK encryption (54M)
I have a constand data throughput of just 160kbit/s
(20,8KB/s). This is stable as rock but soooooo slow.
I had an Artemis and a Trion before and both connected
fine with normal data speed while copying to Desktop PC
with Resco Explorer. This one doesn't. I mean, this is
just 0,16Mbit/s
Any suggestions to solve this problem, anyone?
I have to say, that I canceled the O2 customization, as
I don't wanted lots of O2 crap on my phone. So I hope
there is no WLAN fix cab or such in the ExtRom which
wasn't installed. Anyone can post the content of the
O2 German Extrom which is normally installed after first
boot?
Cheers, Olioaglio
UPDATE: See post #18 for news!!

I have no answer as I still have the P3650 on back-order.
But this is exactly the sort of post we need - how does the Polaris actually perform ??
If the WLAN on the P3650 really has such a problem (and I will say quite readily that my P3600i does NOT) then I will rethink the expenditure of $850 or so
And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?

ianl8888 said:
I have no answer as I still have the P3650 on back-order.
But this is exactly the sort of post we need - how does the Polaris actually perform ??
If the WLAN on the P3650 really has such a problem (and I will say quite readily that my P3600i does NOT) then I will rethink the expenditure of $850 or so
And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?
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dont worry if wlan is bad me and the team will find a way to fix it.

Thank you for the reassurance.
It seems likely I have some 3-4 weeks or so before D(ecision)-day, so perhaps some accurate answers to the hard questions will be available by then.

Thanks for pointing out and as someone said we need to point out the weaknesses more than the strengths.
Presently I have a Kaiser and the only reason I am looking towards the Cruise is that the EDGE connection on my Kaiser is terribly slow. I can barely manage 100kbs while putting the same SIM in my Touch gives me 200kbs.
So I will keep a watch on this because I don't want to get out of my EDGE problem and get trapped with the WLAN problem.
Thanks once again for pointing out

Yes, there seems to be a number of devices now out there in member's hands. How do these devices actually perform in real day-to-day use ?
And I still hope someone will comment on:
"And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?"

ianl8888 said:
Yes, there seems to be a number of devices now out there in member's hands. How do these devices actually perform in real day-to-day use ?
And I still hope someone will comment on:
"And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?"
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Performance is quite good, also battery life is amazing for a 400Mhz device.
QuickGPS is onboard and works quite fine.
AGPS?
I hate Biotouch and the cube also
Would love to get rid of it and use the smooth FtouchFlo instead.
PocketCM also seem to conflict with the Biotouch.dll
Runs by far not so smooth as before on the Artemis and Hermes.
Pawel, any suggestions?
Regards,
Olioaglio

Ephemeris download file (HTC Manual)
To answer the question about "... the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works ...", the manual has a section on the subject:
11.2 Downloading Satellite Data via QuickGPS
...
QuickGPS downloads ephemeris data from a Web server, instead of from the satellites, using the Internet connection on your device, which can be via ActiveSync or 3G/GPRS. This significantly speeds up the time for determining your GPS position.
It looks like you can set it up to automatically download every six days if that's what you need.
The manual's been posted on the HTC website, at http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm
Cheers,
Jim

Olioaglio said:
Performance is quite good, also battery life is amazing for a 400Mhz device.
QuickGPS is onboard and works quite fine.
AGPS?
I hate Biotouch and the cube also
Would love to get rid of it and use the smooth FtouchFlo instead.
PocketCM also seem to conflict with the Biotouch.dll
Runs by far not so smooth as before on the Artemis and Hermes.
Pawel, any suggestions?
Regards,
Olioaglio
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i thought there was a reg edit to turn off cube and touchflo. hmm about pocketcm i guess ask creator whichni havent see in a while. like i said, any problems we will try to fix. first get me a device

Jim Chapman said:
To answer the question about "... the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works ...", the manual has a section on the subject:
11.2 Downloading Satellite Data via QuickGPS
...
QuickGPS downloads ephemeris data from a Web server, instead of from the satellites, using the Internet connection on your device, which can be via ActiveSync or 3G/GPRS. This significantly speeds up the time for determining your GPS position.
It looks like you can set it up to automatically download every six days if that's what you need.
The manual's been posted on the HTC website, at http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm
Cheers,
Jim
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correct except on my athena its every 3 days. it comes in handy but so does this thing being sirf3. i had it side by side with a tomtom1 and this thing is much more accurate and better. hopefully polaris is as good as athena.

Thanks to those who've responded.

Jim
Thanks for your reply - it's exactly what I wanted to know. QuickGPS and A(ssisted)GPS are the same thing, for my purposes.
Charged battery life is an unexpected and pleasant surprise. I too had expected mediocre performance and had wondered if a more powerful 3rd party battery was maybe available. Perhpas this is not needed (so I'll stop trawling the Net for it).
No comment yet on GSM/GPRS/EDGE/3G/UTMS/HSDPA performance ?
So far, comments on actual performance are encouraging.

the WLAN is not only slow but also unable to reconnect, I have over and over some problems to reconnct to my WLAN after the phone goes standby. I'm checking the configuration to see what it is.

Jim Chapman said:
To answer the question about "... the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works ...", the manual has a section on the subject:
11.2 Downloading Satellite Data via QuickGPS
...
QuickGPS downloads ephemeris data from a Web server, instead of from the satellites, using the Internet connection on your device, which can be via ActiveSync or 3G/GPRS. This significantly speeds up the time for determining your GPS position.
It looks like you can set it up to automatically download every six days if that's what you need.
The manual's been posted on the HTC website, at http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm
Cheers,
Jim
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Actually, QuickGPS and A-GPS are two different things.
QuickGPS downloads some information about satellites which will help your device to determine your position faster.
Assisted GPS is a feature which uses cell towers to assist your device when you are in an area with poor signal, like surrounded by buildings or trees, or in a tunnel. It may triangulate your position based on the distance to the cell tower.

This is edited because at the moment I'm getting double posts when I submit one.

Thank you for your comment. I'm well aware of the differences - the cell phone version is not yet implemented here in Aus (and is unlikely to be for some years).
The ephemeris data from QuickGPS is kindly reported here as working very well, and is well and truly sufficient for me. Reports on actual TTFF here are encouraging, but the slow WLAN is not so good.

donate to the polaris project guys. link for donations is going up in a few min. once the money for mine and olipros device is in. we will release hardspl, the cooked rom, and work on the wlan issue. who knows it might be fixed in my cooked rom. im usually good at fixing problems without even knowing

UPDATE: For me it turned out, that setting the slider for
WLAN power to performance mode instead of moderate
or battery optimized solves the problem of speed lack.
In performance mode I achieve speeds of roundabout
400kb/s or 3,2Mbit/s which is acceptable.
Nonetheless at least with my router it is nearly impossible
to establish a wlan connection with WPA-PSK enabled.
Tried to completely disable encryption and then the
device connects lightning fast without problems. With
WPA turned on, nearly no chance. Tried this with another
router and there's NO problem even with enabled WPA
Seems a router replacement is needed
Olioaglio

Olioaglio said:
UPDATE: For me it turned out, that setting the slider for
WLAN power to performance mode instead of moderate
or battery optimized solves the problem of speed lack.
In performance mode I achieve speeds of roundabout
400kb/s or 3,2Mbit/s which is acceptable.
Nonetheless at least with my router it is nearly impossible
to establish a wlan connection with WPA-PSK enabled.
Tried to completely disable encryption and then the
device connects lightning fast without problems. With
WPA turned on, nearly no chance. Tried this with another
router and there's NO problem even with enabled WPA
Seems a router replacement is needed
Olioaglio
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hmm still might be a wlan driver issue on the polaris. once i have a device and olipro/cmonex does too we'll properly test the wlan. btw everyone donations link is up. check out my sig and the polaris project thread.

Olioaglio:
thanks for your welcome comment.
I'd trawled through the Polaris manual and compared its WLAN settings to those on my P3600i and wondered if the "trade-off" between power saving and WLAN performance may be an element. You've just confirmed it is.
I've also found that specific routers can be difficult. I'm using a Netgear DG834Gt with both the P3600i and an ETEN X500. I had to change the ROM in the X500 to achieve acceptable performance with its WLAN.
Which router are you currently using, please ?
This thread is becoming very encouraging for purchasing the Polaris

Buit in GPS in HTC phones

Hi,
Got a HTC pharos today in replacement of a touch (broken, change by orange many times last month but since they only provide crappy refurbished mobiles....). Pretty satisfied so far. I don t miss htc cube that much... I don t miss Wifi yet (only use it when on holidays, that is to say almost never muhaha). GPS is nice... No more bluetooth head to carry in my already too full pockets.
So, let's start with my problem). It has a built in GPS, just like the cruise. After toying a bit with my new phone... and after I have configured the gps, I have noticed that a GPRS connection is launched each time I launch the GPS (TomTom that I had to install since those stupid techs from orange thought it was good to remove from their rom and replace by by their ****ty home made navigator).
Have you noticed that kind of connection. Do you know how I could prevent this (even though it doesn't cost me a buck, since I have set a blank GPRS by default). Could be a thing or two that could be modified in the registry but cannot find it yet...
Sorry I post in the cruise section but there is no pharos section yet (please Admins.... listen to my prayer)

your phone may have "assisted" GPS (AGPS) enabled, thats why it is attempting a data connection. This feature is designed to locate you faster when the satelite signals are week.
You may/may not need a registry editor to disable this feature...

That phone does have aGPS, if you don't want it trying to grab a data connection go to Start/ Programs/ QuickGPS select Menu/ Options and de-select the "Auto download when data expires"
I find that if you use the GPS daily you don't need the aGPS data, it will work just as well without. Also TomTom itself could be requesting the data connection if you have enabled any of the Plus services - Mike

right ...
AGPS = Assisted GPS
HKLM/Software/HTC/SUPL AGPS/EnableAGPS
1 = on
2 = off
http://ghisler.fileburst.com/cebeta3/tcmdpocket25_armpubbeta3.exe
its a free file commander / reg editor / ftp client .... all you need

Hi
Thank you for your help. Couldn't find the quick menu so I edited the registry like Aleph305 said. Working perfectly. Now the GPS starts a few seconds after I launch TomTom.
I do not use plus services so I will not miss AGPS a lot.

GPS N3wb question...

Ok, maybe you guys can help here. I have quite a bit of experience with Windows Mobile phones (had an 8525, upgraded to a custom ROM, unlocked SIM/CID, etc), so that's what level of experience you're working with.
Now, I just picked up the Fuze, very cool phone! However, I'm wondering the following about GPS:
1. Is it available in this phone (i.e. AT&T didn't disable it).
2. I want to do GPS. I don't have a data plan. I DO have wi-fi. I DON'T want to be charged money. Is this possible?
Thanks in advance! The questions were probably asked elsewhere, but I looked around a bit and everything else looked way above these questions, which hopefully are pretty simple to answer...

i have the same question...
I know the Fuze has GPS, and i followed the steps on THIS link, but it doesnt seem to work, the GPS Test, never seems to finish looking for satelites, and when i go to Google Maps, it keeps "seeking GPS satelites"

GPS is available on the Fuze and it's independent of any data plan. All you need is some program that can access the GPS.
However, getting the GPS to work seems to be flakey at best. I tested mine briefly but wasn't able to get a signal lock. Need to do some more testing.

The GPS on my Fuze works great. First you should run Quick GPS and it will use the wifi to download the current GPS satellite locations. Then you should use google maps, you have to goto google maps menu and say 'use gps' then just go stand outside somewhere where theres no much tree coverage and wait for awhile (for the first time, now that I've done it once the GPS starts working in 10 seconds or so) Then you will start to pick up the gps satellites. I'm not sure how great it will be without a data plan... it uses the data plan to download the map info. Hopefully your wifi works out side.

cladeus101 said:
The GPS on my Fuze works great. First you should run Quick GPS and it will use the wifi to download the current GPS satellite locations. Then you should use google maps, you have to goto google maps menu and say 'use gps' then just go stand outside somewhere where theres no much tree coverage and wait for awhile (for the first time, now that I've done it once the GPS starts working in 10 seconds or so) Then you will start to pick up the gps satellites. I'm not sure how great it will be without a data plan... it uses the data plan to download the map info. Hopefully your wifi works out side.
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What about using something like Garmin or TomTom's software? Would that work without a data plan, and without the need for wi-fi?

I use Garmin without a data plan and it works great. I installed it first thing after I got my GPS and didn't do anything to get it to work. The GPS on my FUZE worked out of the box like it should.

GPS Functionality

I'm using Google Maps without a data connection (don't have one and don't want one). I've installed GPS Test to activate the GPS chip. When I turn wifi off, Google Maps starts acting flakey.
A few questions:
Does the Google maps .cab actually load the map detail to my device?
Here's my big question:
Is is possible for me to drive around and watch my progress with just the GPS chip and Google Maps (or Window Live Search)? If not, the GPS seems useless to me, correct?
Thanks

Both programs require data connection for use. If you want gps software that does not require data connection try tom tom for pocket pc.

So I need to spend $100 more to make any use of the GPS while on the road? Is there anything it's useful for without a data plan or additional software?

alpruss said:
So I need to spend $100 more to make any use of the GPS while on the road? Is there anything it's useful for without a data plan or additional software?
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Considering that there is no software on the world that fulfills your wishes regarding GPS I'd say that yes, there is nothing useful without a data plan or aditional software.
In hungary for example HTC TP is sold together with IGO8. If you'd get one of those TP's then yes, you would have had a TP which did not require anything to work as you want it.

At least yours gets signal. I just got a FUZE yesterday and TomTom 6 wont grab freakin signal... Nor will LIVE Maps... It sucks!

Have you installed GPS test? This piece of software seems to activate the GPS chip in your phone. I would be curious to know if TomTom works after running this.

alpruss said:
Have you installed GPS test? This piece of software seems to activate the GPS chip in your phone. I would be curious to know if TomTom works after running this.
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I just posted this thread... I found a tool that seemed to do just that...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461786
Is that the one you are refering to?

Yep, that's the one, GPSTest. It was all I needed to activate my chip.
Are you saying I could install TomTom 6 now and be able to do what I originally wanted to do from my first post?

Thats what im doing now.... gunna test it later today...

Do you have a link for the TomTom product you are using?

It's just TomTom Navigator 6.... I bought it a while back for my Tilt...

Nah, forget it. If I have to shell out $100+ more to load up and slow down my fuze, I'm not interested. Might as well buy an actual TomTom or Garmin device with better functionality for less. Very disappointing that the GPS chip seems to be absolutely useless to me...

There are already other GPS threads, TomTom, Igo, Google Maps, Windows Maps, etc threads. Not need for this one. Thread closed. Please don't open redundant threads.

Is there a way of using GPS without media net?

My friend has the LG incite and run windows mobile. He has no media net, but is able to use gps just by using gpsgate and then the tom tom program. i was wondering if there is a way for us on the FUZE to do the same?

SEARCH SEARCH SEARCHH!! <<--- IDK why people don't use the search when we have it!!
all you have to do is turn off the AGPS in your settings. (Go to Start > Settings > System > AGPS Settings) and make sure Enable AGPS is NOT checked. You now have GPS without using your MediaNet!

Definitely did not work for me... Are there any other settings that I need? I turned off AGPS and went to my google maps and tom tom and can't get it to work.

.....google maps REQUIRES the internet to work, whether it's WiFi or MediaNet some sort fo internet is needed.
...as per TomTom it should work. I used to do it all the time until i actually got the data plan for myself.

See i don't want to get the data plan because its just for something I will use once in a blue moon. I just wanna have GPS in case I need it some time

okay...so TomTom or any other navigation software will work as long as you have the maps on your storage card...

I gotta wait till I get my phone back, but can anyone tell me if this works? (People without media Net of course) From my understanding it'll keep saying that its looking for a connection and can't get one.

not sure what "media net" is assuming it's some sort of isp
but gps don't require gprs or even a phone part to work
mind you most these gps's dont work indoors you have to be outside
or in a car and have a working tomtom set correctly up or gamin or any
other gps software suite

Media Net is ATT data plan they call it media net. Everytime I try connecting GPS it seems like its trying to use a data plan and since I shut it off by calling up ATT it seems like my phone is only trying to go through ATT and saying no connection

tomtom and gamin gps software should not use a data connection at all
if of cause the install include the cards of where one is located
the same software is run on pda's with gps but no phone
like many of the mio pda's

if your using some PirateBay copy of Tomtom or Garmin then you need to check the tags. Raphael is not a smartphone it's a PPC.
Advanced config take off aGPS.
MoDaCo nodata.cab
otherwise get garmin i've had very few problems once i figured out how to copy my maps from my c550 to my phone.

whats the point of having a phone as powerful as the touch pro if you aren't gonna pay for a data plan? thats like a car with no gas

FatalCharade said:
whats the point of having a phone as powerful as the touch pro if you aren't gonna pay for a data plan? thats like a car with no gas
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albeit i do have a data plan, i debated it for a while when i realized i was spending 80-90 hours a week in the hospital which has wifi and so does the fuze....given the limited time out of wifi spots, i almost went without it.... but then chose to go with it for those times when i'm not in wifi spots...

Try Amaze Gps....turn by turn gps...and it doesnt use data....and best of all its free!!

amAze needs the user to have a data plan in order for it to operate. similar to google maps