The Touch Pro needs minor improvement....... - Touch Pro, Fuze General

Ive had the the Touch Pro for about a month. I must say I am really impressed. But there are two things that stop it from being perfect (for me atleast).
1. The reception needs improvement, but I think that will happend sooner or latter with radio updates.
2. a) The camera has a serious bug. I admit the camera is a lot better than the one on the Kaiser but its still slow as hell indoors. The camera turns on some kind of "night mode" automatically. I really hope someone can fix this.
b) We need VGA recording @ 30 FPS. I think it can be done because the SE X1 has the same hardware and does that. There is also a company which has writen its own camera software for other WM phones. Which allows them higher video resolutions. Wonder if they will do one for the Touch Pro? Heres a link : http://www.ateksoft.com/features.html
Maybe someone can mod the original camera software and make it work with VGA @ 30 FPS ?
What do you guys think ? Just want your opinions.

I must admit I am not fan of the camera either. It a really slow reaction time from point press and take photo almost 3 seconds while it does it’s focus and shoot thing. It would be nice to have ½ press for focus than full press for shoot. I have tried a few options in settings and just can’t get it to shoot on press.
As for the radio yes signal is not the best and IMO the major problem is that the antenna is on the bottom of the phone so it has more tendency to block reception. Comparing with my daughter Nokia E65 on 3G she always has full reception where I get 50% or less. But in saying that talk time and internet reception is pretty good so maybe the metres are wrong.

aussieak there is no "half click" on this button (or any button on the Pro) - but it is touch sensitive
when you touch the action button, it focuses, then you click when you want

THe flash light can be set to auto mode? Its like only have on or off option...

Have any of you guys tried the Cingular ROM? Its version is 1.02.25.31, which is perhaps better than then 1.02.25.19 that comes stock. Someone on an Australian forum has tried it and claimed some improvement to the reception.

Yep I am running the Cingular radio it does have some minor improvements.
But what about the camera ? It has had the same software problems since the days of the Kaiser. Do you guys think something can be done ?

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Touch Cruise Review

Here are the review contents (posted at OnTheGoSolutions.com)
More photos and extended comments after two weeks of use are still to come. Check back later to this thread.
This phone has impressed everyone who has seen and held it.
That was a good 'teaser' review. I read it earlier on your post in the General and thought it was excellent for the size. And as always we want more so I can't wait for more
Couple of questions re driving:
1. How does the GPS perform at motorway speeds (if you had a chance to try it) say between 55-70MPH?
2. Does the mirror-like finish bother you, whilst driving, i.e. bright city lights or a high beam from a car behind?
Cheers.
And another question. Since this is also a Qualcomm same as the TyTn II what about the behaviour of the drivers and their incompatibility for video playback. Has HTC corrected the problem or issued just another half-cooked device.
real pictures prototype and production unit
http://smartmobilegadgets.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/htc-pxxxx-polaris/
enjoy
srmz said:
And another question. Since this is also a Qualcomm same as the TyTn II what about the behaviour of the drivers and their incompatibility for video playback. Has HTC corrected the problem or issued just another half-cooked device.
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I am not aware of the video playback problems with the TyTnII. I will try to read more about this.
I have tested video playback with the Cruise and it seems reasonable for a 400 MHz device. I also have the Qtek 9000 (HTC Universal) at 520MHz and the Dopod U1000 ( HTC Athena) at 624MHz. Both are VGA devices. I have a test video, a full length movie, which is encoded for 640x480 resolution. All 3 devices running WM6 and WMPlayer run this video reasonably well. The Cruise has at times a slightly noticable lag with lip sync. This comes and goes during the movie, but is not that distracting. There were no issues with lockup or freezing. Playback was tested in full screen. I re-encoded the video for 320x240 and the sync issue was gone. I find that encoding is a major part of perceived playback problems. Perhaps this should be the topic of a different thread.
Bottom line, it looks like the Cruise palys back video fine.
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That was a good 'teaser' review. I read it earlier on your post in the General and thought it was excellent for the size. And as always we want more so I can't wait for more
Couple of questions re driving:
1. How does the GPS perform at motorway speeds (if you had a chance to try it) say between 55-70MPH?
2. Does the mirror-like finish bother you, whilst driving, i.e. bright city lights or a high beam from a car behind?
Cheers.
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I ran the GPS for a full 70 mile commute, side by side with a BMW iDrive Nav. Apart from the different softwares projecting slightly different routes, the positional differences were negligible. Speed, bearing, distance and locations were spot on. By the way, I got home at the same time on both devices!!! I'm not sure what you have experienced with other devices at motorway speeds, but with the software I use and with this phone, no problems.
As for the mirror finish, I don't have a need for a car cradle since my vehicles have integrated BlueTooth and Nav already installed. I would imagine that in the right circumstances, the mount position, the direction of travel, view of the sun, etc..., could temporarily create a glare porblem. I would think this to be a random and obscure issue, no worse of a cure than slightly adjusting your review mirror up or down if the lights behind you are a problem.
By the way, since you live in the UK, why be overly concerned with the three days of the summer that have direct, bright sun??? ( I lived in Leeds for three years )
@finesse asks these Questions:
1. Can you please take and post some pictures?
2. Have you experienced any problems with video playback & driver problems like the Kaiser?
3. Do you need to download gps info for the gps to work?
4. What is your opinion on the processor so far? battery killer? omap 200mhz on steroids?
5. Since you been using the phone for a while now, what are your pro's and con's?
Answers:
1) One new photo is attached. Is there something particular you want to see in a photo? Apart from the front face, it is pretty much what you expect to see.
2) See post above on video playback, no problems for me with this
3) Not really sure of your question on downloading GPS info, but the phone did not come with GPS software. I added Ostia by PharosGPS for my testing. This works exceptionally well with any PDA / phone I have evaluated.
4) I think the processor is superb. The phone is far more responsive than the original HTC Touch with the 201 MHz OMAP. I would not even think to play video on that one. In my experience, 400 MHz is near the bottom end for good video. As for the battery, I'm getting through the work day and still having 40-50% left with normal use (whatever that means). The battery is 1350mAH compared to 1100 mAH on the original Touch.
5) I will stand by my initial review for now as far as the pros and cons are concerned. No hidden downsides have imerged. I did not specifically state it but Touch Phones are fingerprint magnets (duh). So far though, not a scratch on it.
Hi Raskell,
You know I may be asking for too much but could you do a test for me. Can you please check what data transfer speeds can the Cruise reach with the EDGE network. Please note EDGE and not 3G. I am asking this as my TyTn II cannot get higher than 100 Kbs. When I place the sameSIM in my Touch, I can reach 200 Kbs. I have done these tests repeatedly but always the Touch is almost twice as fast compared to the TyTn II. Actually this is one of the reasons that I now want to dispose off my TyTn II and get the Cruise instead.
My only fear is that since both have Qualcomm processors and if my problem is because of the Qualcomm processor then changing to the Cruise may not be my solution.
I shall be extremely obliged and appreciate your help.
Speeds
@srmz
Using http://bandwidthplace.com/speedtest
HSDPA - 492kBps average of 3 tests 492/507/478
Edge - 208kBps average of 3 tests 178/239/208
Both tested using Opera Browser and nothing else running in the background.
(From my location with 2 bars of signal showing)
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the speed tests. I am sure I will get one as soon as it is available in my country. Thanks once again
Is the screen viewable under bright sunlight?
Hi Raskell,
There was the debate on the "transflectiveness" of the Kaiser screen. What is your experience with the cruise. How is the screen readability outdoors compared with proven true transflective screens? I am not an expert in these terms, but I simply want to know if you have to squint to read the screen under bright sunshine
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Hi Raskell,
There was the debate on the "transflectiveness" of the Kaiser screen. What is your experience with the cruise. How is the screen readability outdoors compared with proven true transflective screens? I am not an expert in these terms, but I simply want to know if you have to squint to read the screen under bright sunshine
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There is another thread over in the General area titled HTC Cruise is Here which was started before the Polaris was added. This phone is easily readable in direct sun and has also been tested beneath 250W Metal Halide bulbs at 6 inches, bot 20,000Kelvin (blue) rated and 13,000Kelvin (white) rated. The screen remains clearly viewable. I see no problem with this phone, unlike my HP digital camera which disappears under a flashlight!
Thanks for the info.
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By the way, since you live in the UK, why be overly concerned with the three days of the summer that have direct, bright sun??? ( I lived in Leeds for three years )
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I live in London. We get few more days
raskell said:
By the way, since you live in the UK, why be overly concerned with the three days of the summer that have direct, bright sun??? ( I lived in Leeds for three years )
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It is more to do with driving in dusk/dawn.
And if your car has a cream interior like mine then the problem becomes very pronouncing...
raskell
Thanks for taking time to do your review!!
1 more question....
Have you got used to not having a ''windows'' and ''ok'' button?
raskell said:
@finesse asks these Questions:
1. Can you please take and post some pictures?
2. Have you experienced any problems with video playback & driver problems like the Kaiser?
3. Do you need to download gps info for the gps to work?
4. What is your opinion on the processor so far? battery killer? omap 200mhz on steroids?
5. Since you been using the phone for a while now, what are your pro's and con's?
Answers:
1) One new photo is attached. Is there something particular you want to see in a photo? Apart from the front face, it is pretty much what you expect to see.
2) See post above on video playback, no problems for me with this
3) Not really sure of your question on downloading GPS info, but the phone did not come with GPS software. I added Ostia by PharosGPS for my testing. This works exceptionally well with any PDA / phone I have evaluated.
4) I think the processor is superb. The phone is far more responsive than the original HTC Touch with the 201 MHz OMAP. I would not even think to play video on that one. In my experience, 400 MHz is near the bottom end for good video. As for the battery, I'm getting through the work day and still having 40-50% left with normal use (whatever that means). The battery is 1350mAH compared to 1100 mAH on the original Touch.
5) I will stand by my initial review for now as far as the pros and cons are concerned. No hidden downsides have imerged. I did not specifically state it but Touch Phones are fingerprint magnets (duh). So far though, not a scratch on it.
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finesse said:
Thanks for taking time to do your review!!
1 more question....
Have you got used to not having a ''windows'' and ''ok'' button?
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Yes that's something I am worried about... I like the Touch Cruise but not the choice of removing so many hardware buttons... I don't want to use my fingers for everything!
I have a Trinity and I use the "windows" and "ok" buttons heavily... actually the Trinity has even a second "ok" button on the left side but I don't use that very often.
Edit: oh well... I have noticed that the two soft buttons have gone too!
raskell said:
There is another thread over in the General area titled HTC Cruise is Here which was started before the Polaris was added. This phone is easily readable in direct sun and has also been tested beneath 250W Metal Halide bulbs at 6 inches, bot 20,000Kelvin (blue) rated and 13,000Kelvin (white) rated. The screen remains clearly viewable. I see no problem with this phone, unlike my HP digital camera which disappears under a flashlight!
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Strictly judging from your hands-on comments and I've read them all attentively, I think Polaris is THE device to put every other, including the iPhone, to shame. Congrats to you for a magnificent device and perhaps HTC if production models are anything like yours.
Is the battery the same as that of the Kaiser?
raskell said:
There is another thread over in the General area titled HTC Cruise is Here which was started before the Polaris was added. This phone is easily readable in direct sun and has also been tested beneath 250W Metal Halide bulbs at 6 inches, bot 20,000Kelvin (blue) rated and 13,000Kelvin (white) rated. The screen remains clearly viewable. I see no problem with this phone, unlike my HP digital camera which disappears under a flashlight!
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Thanks Raskell for the information.
I would also like to know if the battery is the same as that of the Kaiser. I see on expansys when I looked up the touch cruise accessories that it is the same as that listed for the kaiser
More Bandwidth testing data
Using http://utilities.globequest.com.ph/
Cruise (Edge & IExplorer) -> 605 Kbps (469/661/667)
Cruise (HSDPA & IExplorer) -> 746 Kbps (726/779/733)
Cruise (HSDPA & Opera) -> 145 Kbps (148/143/143)
Cruise (WiFi - phone off) -> 712 Kbps (724/680/733) **Using AT&T DSL and LinkSys WRT54G router**
This particular test site seems to be better configured for IExplorer. The prior test data from bandwidthplace would not run with IE. It is offline today so I can't retest.
Bottom line => Touch Cruise cruises the internet.
@finese
wrote: raskell
Thanks for taking time to do your review!! 1 more question....
Have you got used to not having a ''windows'' and ''ok'' button?
Answer: Not much to get used to, I never used them with my other devices.
If you really must have a button, the main action in the jog wheel acts as the 'OK' button. You can also configure GPS/Messaging button to be the 'Start' button. So they are there if you really want them.

S/w to improve camera & Videoplayer On TC & TYTN 2?

Hi guys,
1st post & I have had a good look to see if this has been asked before (I really would have thought it was) but to no avail.
About to Order an HTC probably through O2 tomorrow (Most likely the Orbit 2 or Touch cruise as its known).
My big concern is the camera quality. Yes, yes I know people say buy a proper camera but thats not what I want to do cos to me a camera is now an integral part of a phone. I've got a nokia N70 at the moment and I'm pretty happy with its 2mp camera although better quality would be a bonus, but I've heard the camera and video rendering on the HTC's (even though they are just over 3MP) really let it down.
Its supposedly not the hardware thats poor just the software that processes it.
Basically I was wondering if theres any software or fixes that have been created that I can get that will improve these issues on the HTC products?
Are HTC actually planning on releasing a driver update or are they "refusing to do so" as many sites say?
Thanks in advance,
T
HTC made a camera update a few days ago. It's in the Kaiser forum. The camera is okay if you hold it still, but the refresh rate is very slow so it's easy to blur.
I found it better to change the camera settings, to take the photo/video on the light press of the camera button, not the hard press (thats when your likely to move it)
My photos come out alot better because of it.
cheers flashy, for a noob like me how do I go about doing that (please explain step by step if thats ok)??
Thanks

I-Mate Ultimate 9502. Kaiser Killer?

I imagine in a similar way to many people in these forums I had hit a brick wall on PDA functionality. I was was waiting for Kaiser to be THE all in one and just as I was about to buy one I discovered the shortcomings. So, having sold my TyTn and bluetooth, solar GPS receiver I brought an Athena. Wonderful piece of kit but in the end it had to go as it was just too bulky.
Having heard that the 9502 was imminent I brought an HP 9515 to see me through to it's realease.
Two weeks ago I placed a pre-order for the 9502 with Powerupmobile as stock was due on the 24th and to my surprise (and slightly disturbing swelling in my manhood) it arrived last Friday (18th April) so I have had a weekend to play.
Out of the box the overriding feeling was 'heavy'. TyTn was ABS plastic but this is (and I stand corrected) magnesium alloy encased. Personally I find that comforting...remember when B&O put lead weights in their remotes to make the quality more tactile?
Runinng WM6 which we are all familiar with there are no real surprises except to say that the 640x480 screen IS beautiful!
Down the left hand side you have JOG Wheel and 'OK' button (very blackberry and very friendly) as well as a shortcut button to the wireless comms. The charging/hardwire comms facility (mini USB) is also present this side rather than on the southern aspect.
Down The right hand side is a '+' and '-' rocker switch for volume etc, voice memo and camera activation buttons as well as a 2.5mm stereo jack.
The stainless steel telescopic pointer is housed to the top right whilst the power button is on the top, horizontal face of the unit.
The face of the unit has buttons for MESSAGING, INTERNET, START, OK, RECEIVER UP AND DOWN and a FOUR WAY THUMB PAD + SELECTOR BUTTON. To access the MicroSD HC slot you have to remove the rear battery case, but not the battery itself.
Right
Left Back
Top
Bottom
Screen up
Battery exposed
On arrival I loaded all my usual software and all has worked fine with one exception...it seems that after using TomTom6, quitting the application and letting the unit timeout, it will not reactivate on the standard power depress. I have had to soft reset. I will make I-Mate aware of this.
-------I have subsequently discovered that this is a one off and the unit is being swapped out- 22-04-08-----------
All comms functions are manually startable so you have to remember to enable the GPS radio prior to starting your satnav software.
In much the way as TyTn an Kaiser the screen can be pushed to reveal a full QWERTY keyboard (though the numerics are still FN dependant) and the keyboard is backlit depending on the ambient lighting conditions.
The screen behaves more like a Samsung phone inasmuch as it 'flicks' up and down.
The reason I didn't buy Kaiser was because of the video playback problems dirctly attributable to the drivers for the Qualcomm hardware. What is ironic with the 9502 is that it is Qualcomm based but at 320x240 video plays back just fine. Using TCPMP to watch Star Wars Episode III with TCPMP in 'Raw Frame buffer mode' the movie was totally watchable. I will test 640x480 when I get time.
The GPS is easy to set up (on COM9 at either 5,400 or 115,000 baud) with more channels (and therefore more accuracy) than any other PDA I have used with an inbuilt receiver. The cold start time is between 15 secs and one minute depending on the normal constraints. There is no 'Quick GPS' facility.
I haven't been able to test HSDPA yet but all the radio's seem to give good reception so there's no reason to assume that throughput will be anything other than expected.
So, Kaiser Killer? For me, yes without doubt but don't forget this luurvely piece of kit hast only just been released. It WILL get better.
Now, who makes it?
PS if anyone wants me to test it anyway or wants more info, let me know.
Amazing!
Wow! This is one nice phone. I've been disappointed in my touch dual for some time now (eventhough Its not been too long since I bought it!) and been looking for a replacement but none of the phones I've seen look as 'sleek'.
I may just look into this one more.
I see that this one also has the same qualcomm chipset. What is the video playback like?
Does it have bad lag like all the other htc qualcomm pdas (like the touch dual)?
Does it slow down when you keep the screen pressed?
One more thing....I cant see it from any pictures, but is the screen beveled or is it flush with the sides?
Awesome. I've been wanting one of those since they were announced. After this little review you posted, I might think about actually getting one. Thanks
That be a bezelled screen me lad.
Duplicate post.
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Using TCPMP to watch video there were initially problems with a huge amount of frame ripping. This was quickly resolved by switching to from DiractDraw to GDI codec and upping the buffer to 4mb. This was at 320x240. Will try reformatting to 640x480 asap but I don't hold out a lot of hope that watchability will be as good.
Don't know what you mean by 'keep the screen pressed'.
It is indeed a bevelled screen surround.
Why does every new device got to be the "Kaiser" killer?
Also, what is with the internet and email buttons being by the ear speaker at the top? Everytime I answer a call I'm going to open an email.
By way of an update to the issue with TomTom6, it turns out that my unit is faulty. At random it won't come out of standby. Completely unpredicatable and unrelated to TomTom, it transpires. PowerupMobile.com have organised a direct swapout so hopefully it's just a bit of bad luck. Bodes well for Powerup Mobile though. I was concerned that as they were nearly £100 cheaper than expansys the service might not be as good. Great response from their tech guy/guys too.
If you put your phone yo your head with that kind of sustained pressure your in for serious ear problems.
Kaiser killer cause it's less money, a better product out of the box (4 x the screen resolution) and it all works as it's supposed to (with the exception of mine which is, of course, a one off problem). HTC have long been repackaging the same hardware and charging more and more for it with little increase in functionality. I was a hardened HTC fan as my PDA record shows, but to tout a unit as the most powerful of it's type, hike the price and then turn out a unit which is effectively a TyTn with a GPS and a video problem isn't too customer focused...stockholder focused perhaps; to then refuse to sort a DRIVER problem....firmware no less...tends to put one off. In my humble opinion, if a 'Kaiser Killer' comes along and forces HTC to turn out better products at a more competetive price, I'll be back with them.
Oh yeah, and it's a catchy title.
i´m also interested in this phone.
could you please upload some pics taken with the camera. best would be in dark light and with text.
thanks
Eurosportler said:
i´m also interested in this phone.
could you please upload some pics taken with the camera. best would be in dark light and with text.
thanks
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Will do. Give me 24 hrs though. By 'with text' I assume you mean a text imprint overlaid direct?
yes, that is what i meant with "text"
thank you for the fast response.
Could you please tell us how responsive is this device compared to the kaiser lets say. I mean do you have any problems of it being slow? I am asking because VGA screen resolution is sometimes a burden for processors and there are some examples of "slow" VGA devices.
Do you have memory leaking problems? I have heard a lot about the considerably low 30mb free RAM after a reboot, but if it remains there after starting and closing programs, I don't believe it is an issue.
Finally, could try to make some benchmarks and post the result. Try to use SPB or sktools so that there are comparable results.
Sorry for the long request message, but I seriously thinking of buying this device, and it is good to know some things before I finally decide.
Thanks!
I hate to burst your bubble, guys but since the technical specs(incl. CPU) are pretty much the same as on the Kaiser(HTC TyTN II), don't you think that i-mate just put Kaiser technology into a different(yes, nicer) outfit?! Just my 2 cents worth...
@P996: yes but you are missing the VGA spec which is something "different" to what we have seen up until now. Moreover, if imate has actually managed to use the processor efficiently so to cope with the VGA resolution demands, that we are talking about something completely new, considering the size and offers (GPS, wi/fi, VGA, keyboard). I don't think there is something similar in the market now and all its offers are called new technology.
@edenc: sorry but I have on more question . I have also read some comments about battery life. Do you think it is ok, or it might be an issue? How does it compare again to the kaiser lets say?
Diamond killer???
lol
just read the thread.. sorry
Oh its completely a Kaiser Killer. Everything about it is better. All my mates who have a Kaiser want my 9502, but the video drivers are still shockingly bad (sorry to sound like a broken record). I never even considered a Kaiser - it seemed like a downgrade from the Hermes in terms of the features that I regularly use.
The 9502 can play perfect qvga video, but it looks rubbish on the VGA screen. Other than that (and no SDHC support) this is, in my opinion much better than anything that is currently on the market, and will be until the X1 comes out.
ya. cant wait for X1 with 3" 800x480 WVGA!
compare to that fake diamond at 2.8" VGA 640x480! haha
you may also want to repost your article to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351788

Raphael/Kaiser comparison thread

Soon enough people will be getting touch pro's in their hands (lucky buggers), so it would be interesting to know how it compares with the device it is allegedly replacing, the Kaiser.
Going by the specs it should be better in all respects barring the tilting screen, scroll wheel and possibly some extra hardware buttons, but what is it like in reality? Another "what it could have been" or do we finally have "the elusive Kaiser killer".
How does it compare with the Kaiser for example in the following areas:
1) Video playback (obvious one)
2) General speed (may have more than twice the RAM and a faster processor but are they being utilised properly)
3) Camera performance (low light lag?, low FPS on video capture?)
4) GPS performance (Kaiser pretty darn good on this one)
Feel free to add any more...
billu said:
Soon enough people will be getting touch pro's in their hands (lucky buggers), so it would be interesting to know how it compares with the device it is allegedly replacing, the Kaiser.
Going by the specs it should be better in all respects barring the tilting screen, scroll wheel and possibly some extra hardware buttons, but what is it like in reality? Another "what it could have been" or do we finally have "the elusive Kaiser killer".
How does it compare with the Kaiser for example in the following areas:
1) Video playback (obvious one)
2) General speed (may have more than twice the RAM and a faster processor but are they being utilised properly)
3) Camera performance (low light lag?, low FPS on video capture?)
4) GPS performance (Kaiser pretty darn good on this one)
Feel free to add any more...
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I can't imagine anything the phone companies put out live up to the hype; at least with all the crapware they decide to brand it with. It took this site, great chefs, a few choice words, sweating over bricking the phone, and many hours of "dinking" to make the Wing even usable.
Let's see what happens when better cooks than I get a hold of it.
billu said:
Soon enough people will be getting touch pro's in their hands (lucky buggers), so it would be interesting to know how it compares with the device it is allegedly replacing, the Kaiser.
Going by the specs it should be better in all respects barring the tilting screen, scroll wheel and possibly some extra hardware buttons, but what is it like in reality? Another "what it could have been" or do we finally have "the elusive Kaiser killer".
How does it compare with the Kaiser for example in the following areas:
1) Video playback (obvious one)
2) General speed (may have more than twice the RAM and a faster processor but are they being utilised properly)
3) Camera performance (low light lag?, low FPS on video capture?)
4) GPS performance (Kaiser pretty darn good on this one)
Feel free to add any more...
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1) Even in Skyfire, viewing youtube through the browser, it streamed beautifully without a skip at any time (on wifi of course).
2) Hard to tell considering the TF3D interface, I'm pretty impressed so far as to how quick it's been, but every now and again it will have an embarrassing hiccup. Opera does not seem to be as comfortable as safari (not to bring that debate back), just doesn't flow as well when panning around web pages.
3) Low light situations aren't too bad, but oh yes, if you turn with the camera at any sort of decent speed it blurs pretty good... As long as you don't turn too much, the camcorder has a decent quality.
4) Haven't been able to use it yet, AT&T only includes their TeleNav which costs money, I need to get google maps on there.
Could you please comment on the screen brightness between the Kaiser and the Pro?
Also, how does the keyboard feel when compared to the Kaiser?
Thanks
I would like to have a comparison of the 3G reception quality between both devices.
Is the reception quality of "Don Raphaelo" worse, better or pretty much the same?
Please, anybody
It will be a buy / no-buy decision for me as the Diamond seems to have a weaker 3G reception compared to other HTC phones.
relative thickness? about the same less or more any 1?
I would like to have a comparison of the 3G reception quality between both devices.
Is the reception quality of "Don Raphaelo" worse, better or pretty much the same?
Please, anybody
It will be a buy / no-buy decision for me as the Diamond seems to have a weaker 3G reception compared to other HTC phones.
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I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
steveoidm said:
I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
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Great! You are exactly the user I was waiting for.
Code:
aven't been able to use it yet, AT&T only includes their TeleNav which costs money, I need to get google maps on there.
You could use GpsTest and see how quickly you get a fix.
steveoidm said:
I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
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Yes and please post your slingplayer experience on touch pro on the new thread I have just created.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417172
steveoidm said:
I will let you know tomorrow, touch pro waiting for me at home! Been using slingplayer on my tytn II for the past few months. My train journey in the morning loses connection for about 30 seconds in one dead area, so the journey tomorrow will be a good comparison on this one.
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Very interested in your experience of this too .
isnt the TYTN II full quad band with 3G on both sides of the atlantic? this is better than the Raphael
Ok, good news! Although this was only one journey, I can say that the connection for me is definitely slightly better than my tytn. I only lost signal once in that dead area for around 30 seconds, but there were no other blips at all (journey is around 25 minutes).
As far as the picture goes, I can definitely say that it seemed much better. Not 100% sure whether this is due to the better screen, or increased H speed. Probably a bit of both.
This phone is awesome! Haven't found the interface to be slow at all. Guy sitting next to me has an iphone 3g and if anyone tells you that interface never lags then they are lying!
And GPS is very fast and rock solid!
What about camera? Can someone who had Kaiser before elaborate on it? Kaiser used to JUST DIE when there's low lighting. Old wizard's camera would beat kaiser's camera senseless, which I find embarrassing.
How is the keyboard of Touch pro compared to TYTNII? Size of keys? Tactile feedback?
could someone run some test softwares on both to see the performance difference in numbers??
How is the keyboard of Touch pro compared to TYTNII? Size of keys? Tactile feedback?
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Just as tactile. Keys are slightly smaller, but the extra row of keys is really handy. I prefer it.
Coreplayer and TCPMP comparisions anyone?
Camera in Kaiser has been almost useless. Is the Raphael better or identical? They seem to have the same spes.
I am finding the lack of hardware button mapping to soft keys the biggest negative for the raphael wheras the navigation pad can compensate for the sroll wheel on the kaiser.

Touch Pro Sucks?!

WOW! I cant't beleive what I read here. Touch pro is slow? People not happy? I mean I was gonna upgrade my Kaiser to Touch Pro, but after reading this I'm asking myself should I go for something else? Is there such a device out there that people would be generally happy with? Or maybe most of the issues can be fixed by upgrading to a custom ROM? Your advice will be appreciated guys
I'm extremely happy with my Fuze; so much so that I just bought another one. I didn't keep the stock ROM for more than an hour though, so I don't know what it's like out of the box.
btstarcher said:
I'm extremely happy with my Fuze; so much so that I just bought another one. I didn't keep the stock ROM for more than an hour though, so I don't know what it's like out of the box.
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Glad to hear that. Although not sure if I can afford two of them - will be happy with just one. They're quite expencive here in the UK...
I have a Tilt that I just keep as a backup phone (or if I'm going fishing or something and don't want to risk damaging my Fuze).
With a custom ROM and radio the Fuze is great for me. The stock radio sucks (atleast for me), and the stock ROM sucked. If you don't want to flash different custom ROMs, atleast flash the leaked AT&T ROM Update. Even with the bloat, that ROM is great. It has one of the best radios out there, it fixes aGPS, it is really fast compared to the stock ROM.
The main complaints I see are GPS lag (which I have, but its not unusable), the lack of hardware keys (which I can live with), and no tilt (which is a hardware limitation).
The fixed aGPS makes getting a fix extremely fast. I've used the GPS on multiple 5 hour + trips and its worked just fine.
I like the DPad on the Tilt better. With this one the up/down works but the left/right sometimes doesn't. Like pressing left will take me home instead.
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I have a Tilt that I just keep as a backup phone (or if I'm going fishing or something and don't want to risk damaging my Fuze).
With a custom ROM and radio the Fuze is great for me. The stock radio sucks (atleast for me), and the stock ROM sucked. If you don't want to flash different custom ROMs, atleast flash the leaked AT&T ROM Update. Even with the bloat, that ROM is great. It has one of the best radios out there, it fixes aGPS, it is really fast compared to the stock ROM.
The main complaints I see are GPS lag (which I have, but its not unusable), the lack of hardware keys (which I can live with), and no tilt (which is a hardware limitation).
The fixed aGPS makes getting a fix extremely fast. I've used the GPS on multiple 5 hour + trips and its worked just fine.
I like the DPad on the Tilt better. With this one the up/down works but the left/right sometimes doesn't. Like pressing left will take me home instead.
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You know what - I fully agree with you. I like Kaiser's D-pad better + more buttons. I just wish it had the VGA screen and TF3D - it would be perfect then...
If you get this phone you have to flash a new ROM. In fact, 6.5 is working extremely well.
The GPS just sucks. I have not tried it recently with AGPS however.
The DPad might be one of the worst in existence. There are not many Dpads where you try to hit left and it does something else.
Other than that, I love this phone. It is leagues above my old Excalibur.
i'm very happy with my phone. girlfriend doesnt like it cuz im always on it . anyways, i have the leaked att roma nd radio and it's amazingly fast, so much fun to use and just works. gps is fixed, it's quick. i have spb mobile shell 3 trial on it right now. seeing how that works but the UI on it is amaizng minus a problem switching from portrait to landscape but thats not just on teh tp. i lvoe the phone though i'd definitely upgrade. screen is amazing, phone is sexy (go to zagg.com and buy an invisible shield if u do get it though) and it's just so much fun to use.
I recently had to revert back to my tilt from my fuze after breaking it (it's fixed now) and I have mixed feelings. They're both great phones in certain ways. The form factor of the tilt is the best ever for me. It is a pleasure to use for internet browsing with the keyboard slid out, screen tilted up, right fore finger on the scroll wheel and left thumb on the d-pad when needed. The fuze is more compact, faster/snappier, and the touchscreen is way better when dialing phone numbers (could be fixed with software...). I think the deciding factor for me is the vga screen. If the tilt had it, I'd prefer that phone, as I often view web pages zoomed out and just hold the phone closer to my face to read the small text. Not possible on the tilt's qvga screen. Really, I want to take them both apart and put together a phone with the best of both. I'm sad HTC seems to always dance around making the perfect phone.
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I recently had to revert back to my tilt from my fuze after breaking it (it's fixed now) and I have mixed feelings. They're both great phones in certain ways. The form factor of the tilt is the best ever for me. It is a pleasure to use for internet browsing with the keyboard slid out, screen tilted up, right fore finger on the scroll wheel and left thumb on the d-pad when needed. The fuze is more compact, faster/snappier, and the touchscreen is way better when dialing phone numbers (could be fixed with software...). I think the deciding factor for me is the vga screen. If the tilt had it, I'd prefer that phone, as I often view web pages zoomed out and just hold the phone closer to my face to read the small text. Not possible on the tilt's qvga screen. Really, I want to take them both apart and put together a phone with the best of both. I'm sad HTC seems to always dance around making the perfect phone.
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Well, the touch pro 2 is pretty much combining them together, maybe with some iphoneish features thrown in as well.
My Kaiser is on it's way out, keys aren't working, I have to reset all the time, rom changes make no difference, so I don't have time to wait for the Touch Pro 2. I am going to upgrade to a Fuze and hope it will work well for me.
let's wait and see...you know they always say that no one will ever release the perfect phone because then there will be nothing to build off of...maybe i'm wrong.
hope i'm wrong.
The touch pro 2 with a trackball at the bottom like blackberries have would be close to the perfect phone. But only with a snappier OS, faster processor, GPS that works right, and better battery life. Not saying it won't have these things (except the trackball and faster processor which it won't) but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Out of the box the fuze is pretty sluggish. The GPS did work but, took forever to get a lock. I used mine for a day on the stock rom and I couldnt take it anymore. So I switched to Natfs rom and it was like night and day. Its so much smoother and much faster. GPS works as it should. I believe that was due to the upgraded radio. Give it a try. Youll see. BTW this is my first post. Hi to everyone...
Used Stock ROM for like 6 hours just to see it and say that I ddi and was pissed by how sluggis it was. I got 3 error messages and report this that and the other to MS. I wint to RE WM 6.1 and Radio happened 2 days after; using 1.12.25.19. It lives up to all my expectations and more of being my dream phone.
even though touch pro always hang and got a bit lag but i still love it.
button less then kaiser but the touch sensor got a lot function can play with.

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