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VGA Screen?

This is probably a really stupid question - but would it be easily possible to "upgrade" the tilt's screen to VGA? Like with the screen from this phone http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/08/e-tens-glofiish-m800-a-better-x800-with-qwerty/
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The screens look almost the same size if not the same size.... would the screen "plug" be the same.. (is it "standard" for windows mobile phones like VGA is?) and would the OS pickup the new screen?

Sexy thought - having a screen like that on this Tilt.
I'm sure if the measurements are right and you have tons of know-how, it's possible. My best advice would be to hit a mobile site which is tech-y related and hit up some of their guys to try it out.
If you find the answer, let me know. Replacement screens for most PDA's are fairly cheap on eBay.
J

Here's a couple of reasons why putting a VGA screen in the Tilt is a bad idea:
1) VGA screens consume more power on average than QVGA -- it's likely the reason why we don't see many VGA screen phones today -- and the ones that do exist aren't quad band.
2) The processor has to push 4x the number of pixels in VGA which means it needs a fairly beefy processor and a takes corresponding hit on battery life.
(this may also tie into reason 1)
3) VGA support in Windows Media has historically been half-assed, to the point where some view it as a failed experiment.
As a previous Toshiba e800 owner, I can tell you firsthand that VGA caused more problems than it solved. Microsoft decided that smoother fonts and icons were a priority over screen real estate, so while everything looked prettier it didn't really do anything for productivity. There were a few exceptions, like being able to view Exel sheets in VGA but not with Pocket Exel (only Clearvue apps allowed you to display, but not edit, in true VGA -- which was completely goofy). Then along came a couple of brilliant guys who found a way to unlock true VGA mode for everything which was great but caused a number of incompatabilies with older software that was designed when all PocketPC screens were QVGA. Switching between faux-VGA and true-VGA required a soft reset which for some reason took *minutes* in WM2003SE. Playing games was a pain. Trust me.
VGA devices that came after that point were only marginally better. The Loox 720 used a faster processor but it had no graphics accelerator, which really dragged down the performance. The Axim X50V and X51V had graphics acceleration but with a unique Intel chip that had very little support and documentation. HP's offering was decent but had a nonstandard touch d-pad. The HTC Universal tried to strike a balance between power consumption and I'm not sure if it really succeeded in that respect. There was an Asus VGA model that didn't seem to go anywhere, and a very tasty looking Acer model (n311) that either never saw the light of day or was only released in a country whose name I cannot pronounce nor spell.
So if you do decide to go the VGA route in the Tilt:
The Tilt/Kaiser roms likely do not have native VGA support, meaning that you will need to tweak or rewrite the display drivers. I don't think it would be difficult to get the Tilt to display in 'pixel doubled' mode but the results will likely look less than stellar. Support for the ATI acceleration in the Kaiser is either broken or nonexistant at the moment, and no documentation is available. That is a huge blow to getting anything VGA displaying at a decent speed.
One last reality check: Most of the previous VGA devices used screens that were between 3.5 and 4 inches. The Kaiser screen is 2.8 inches. You might see a modest improvement in picture, but it's likely your eyes can't resolve the majority of the extra pixels. (keep in mind that the average user views a PDA screen from about 2 feet away).
in short, if you REALLY must have VGA, go buy a Glofish (and say bye to HSDPA and quadband)

I retract my previous statements. On second thought, it would really suck to have a Tilt with a screen with the quality of, say, a PSP's screen. I couldn't imagine being forced to watch a video file on such a device.
J

What about the eten glofish m800.... which has come out recently.... with triband UMTS/Quad Band GSm and one of the best GPS chipsets available?

Usability of the 2.8" VGA screen

Hi,
I am a current HTC 7500 user (a huge device with a huge 5" VGA screen).
While I am enjoying the screen, I am suffering from everyday usability of the 7500.
So, being an ATT customer near the end of my 2-years contract, and not planing on switching, I am really interested in HTC Fuse.
I can't imagine browsing with Opera without a VGA screen. However, would it be possible to actually read anything online? The fonts already small on my 5" screen, and I would not like switching to larger font sizes, because it diminishes the advantage of VGA screen and violates web page layouts.
Could somebody share their experience with small VGA screens, and possibly post a screenshot or two?
Thanks!

I personally dont find it a problem, but then ive never used a device with a screen size any bigger, what i will say is, the version of Opera mobile that comes with it is very good indeed, navigation within the app is very similar to browsing on the iPhone and if for example you want to zoom in further you can use the touch sensitive dial which, is very effective.
Like i said before ive never had a device with a screen size any bigger than 2.8", the devices i had before this all had the same size screen (except the Alpine) but browsing on the the touch pro (Fuze) is by far the best experience ive had out of all of the devices ive owned.
Hope this helps.

NAV software fitting screen of the Topaz?

Hello!
I'm about to receive my Diamond 2 (announced for next week in Switzerland, reserved and paid already), but I'm wondering which Nav software will be the best, fitting the screen and screen resolution. Any idea?

Hey! I live in Switzerland too and I'm waiting for my device also.
For me the best NAV Software is iGO... and I hope it's going to go well with Diamond2's resolution.

There's a thread in Blackstone section (another WVGA device) without about 50 pages or so about nav' programs. Just go over there, there's a lot of info you could use.
EDIT: Here's the thread about TomTom, there's a similar about iGO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432410&highlight=tomtom

@d3sm0nd: hehe... seems like we still have to wait 10 days iGo is a good product which I will first try.
@NoWorthWhile: Thank you for your message. I had (I just sold it) a HD and was running (had pain with that) iGo, following this famous 50 pages thread. Knowing that the screens have the same resolution but not the same size, I was wondering if this could apply to the Diamond2 as well.
Man... I can't wait to have mine!

Well basically, what i'm thinking is that software doesn't care about the size of the screen, but only about the resolution. IMHO you should have no problems
But not owning a TD2 (i'm on the first TD) I can't tell for sure.

NoWorthWhile said:
Well basically, what i'm thinking is that software doesn't care about the size of the screen, but only about the resolution. IMHO you should have no problems
But not owning a TD2 (i'm on the first TD) I can't tell for sure.
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quick question sorry its kinda off topic but doesnt that mean the screen on the diamond is A LOT sharper than the touch hd?

sharper, yes....a lot? well, u go from 3.8 to 3.2 inches with the same number of pixels, so each pixel is 15% smaller in size, and 30% smaller in area....
To say that this is a lot, or a little, is entirely up to you ;-)
imho, the pixel density of diamond or diamond 2 is very high, borderline of being overkill, especially if you are not myopic (furtunately, I am, but for older people with hypermetropy problem, such a high resolution on a screen this size is a waste imho, while it is not on the HD).
I am glad that highend WinMo device seems to go to WVGA resolution as standard, it is I think the best for a screen around 3.5'' inches (no need to go higher, it is already too high for video but nice for static images). Increasing the number of color and constrast would I think be the next logical step...
For info, going from HVGA to VGA means a decrease of 25% in size, 45% in area....so the difference increase of sharpness between HD and diamond 2 is less than what you would have if the iPhone went from barely ok (HVGA) resolution to good resolution (VGA) ;-)

The PPI density of the Diamond2 works out at around 292 (SQRT((800^2)+(480^2))/3.2). This is less than the highest resolution the average human eye can resolve unaided, which is around 300 PPI, but its not far off it. So what that means is that someone with average eyesight will actually notice an increase in sharpness looking at the same image on a Diamond2 screen as that on a Touch HD screen.

shuflie said:
The PPI density of the Diamond2 works out at around 292 (SQRT((800^2)+(480^2))/3.2). This is less than the highest resolution the average human eye can resolve unaided, which is around 300 PPI, but its not far off it. So what that means is that someone with average eyesight will actually notice an increase in sharpness looking at the same image on a Diamond2 screen as that on a Touch HD screen.
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When you speak about human eye resolution, you should always put it in PPI at a certain distance, or an angle of resolution, PPI alone are not usefull: I am sure anybody wth a more or less functional eye can pick the difference between HD and TD2 from 6 inches (15cm) away , if they can focus at that distance...from 20 inches (50 cm) away, it will take a good eye...from 3 feet (1m), my guess is that it is not humanly possible (or maybe some fighter pilots, or people with a very succesfull high order refractive lazik surgery? ;-) ).
I routinely watch my pda screen from 25-30 cm away (10-12 inches), so TD2 resolution will not be lost, at least on static images. For video, human eye resolution is lower, so there I think TD2 screen may be overkill, or I would need to watch the screen closer and hope for no headache ;-)

I own an official version of TTN6 that I bought for my Touch Cruise. It won't install properly on the Diamond2. I did manage to get it running once but the display was all messed up.
I found a version 7 file on the internet somewhere that works great and the display looks truly fantastic. However, my maps from the version 6 package are not found for some reason.
I went to tomtom.com to buy some new maps via tomtomhome but when it asks to link the D2 to my online account it says I have an invalid version of tomtom so I can't do anything with it.

nav program
can report iGO is working.
need to edit sys text a bit then it is ok
add this
[rawdisplay]
autoconfig=1

try amazegps.com for a free solution. It does not download the maps to your phone though so as you drive it refreshes the maps. It does do spoken turn by turn directions and for free it's hard to beat. It works on the HD so it should work for the Topaz.

wilcovh said:
can report iGO is working.
need to edit sys text a bit then it is ok
add this
[rawdisplay]
autoconfig=1
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Good to hear this, does it look nice on Topaz's resolution?

think it looks good.
at first it was a bit weird because as soon as you switch the screen orientation the bottom bit of the screen was not used and could not get it back to be used in iGO. but when you add the line to the sys.txt it is fine
W

From QVGA to VGA

Just a random thought I had. I own a Fuze and I love the 480 x 640 resolution of the screen. If someone gave me a phone with anything less than a VGA resolution I think I would go crazy. I saw my old Mogul laying around and decided to turn it on to compare both screens. What a difference! So, do you think you (VGA owners) could ever go back to QVGA?

i did, sold my touch pro and used my vogue. it was a hella big difference at first but when you get used to it, you will barely notice the difference
the biggest place where i miss my vga screen is when im web browsing

mike21pr said:
i did, sold my touch pro and used my vogue. it was a hella big difference at first but when you get used to it, you will barely notice the difference
the biggest place where i miss my vga screen is when im web browsing
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That sucks that you had to sell your TP. I can see how one would get used to the screen resolution again though, but for me it would be really hard.

I voted no, however I would have to agree with mike. For purely phone related tasks VGA is not necessary, however once you use the more "advanced" functionalities like web browsing, third party apps, VGA becomes quickly the minimum resolution, especially for web browsing.

VGA works great for me with my 3.5" 640 x 480 pixels, Just in 2008 devices started to make this screens and my Universal is from 2005!!
QVGA I really don´t like it
WVGA never used...

Awesome, that's sweet! palmares assurance vie​

VirgilIantu said:
Awesome, that's sweet!
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Welcome to the forum
May I know what is sweet?

It's def a big factor in choosing a phone, but sometime a qVGA phone is better. Like Omnia vs Diamond. Either way, I prefer my Storm's screen

TheChampJT said:
It's def a big factor in choosing a phone, but sometime a qVGA phone is better. Like Omnia vs Diamond. Either way, I prefer my Storm's screen
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I had no idea the Omnia was only QVGA. I figured it was such a well-rounded device and expected the VGA screen, but I guess not.
The Storm does have a beautiful screen though. I'll give you that. I'm really starting to regret getting rid of the Storm...

I can't have less than my Fuze's VGA screen. WVGA or higher is next for me!
BTW, what is the name for screens with res 360 x 640, like the Omnia HD and Idou. I googled it but no go . . . it may be "qHD" though?

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BTW, what is the name for screens with res 360 x 640, like the Omnia HD and Idou. I googled it but no go . . . it may be "qHD" though?
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qHD sounds good, but I doubt that's the name for it. Actually (and I could be completely wrong) I think 360 x 640 is still considered VGA. I think that maybe once it gets to a certain amount of pixels it would change up to the next level. I don't think I know what I'm talking about.

I had my HD, and i thought that all WM devices look like this until my brother got an Omnia, and i thought something was wrong with the device. Thats until i found the difference was WQVGA and WVGA.
BIG difference in quality, so no it will be hard to go from VGA to QVGA, but you will get used to it.

I've got the Blackstone, and briefly had the Omnia in my hand.
Returning to QVGA is pretty much impossible after you've got used to >= VGA.
However, the difference is not the screen real estate, but the DPI. Once you get used to a higher definition screen, it's horrible to go back to the ill defined QVGA screens. However, a small VGA screen still looks great, but a physically large QVGA screen looks even more hideous! (I recently had reason to pull out my IPAQ, the original ancestor to modern Windows Mobile devices, and was surprised to see that the screen was bigger than the Blackstone, but no where as well defined).
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MY Diamond screen cracked and my insurance company said they could not replace it, so offered me a £350 cheque. as I was due an upgrade in 3 months (1 month to go) I took their cash and banked it decideding to go back to my old artemis for a few months.
Whilst VGA is sooo much better, you can survive with QVGA. However I am happy with it because I know it is temporary till mid june (ish) when I get a TD2

Do you like the One S display?

I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?

gszabi said:
I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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By not being incredibly picky. The phone wasn't cheap, so before I signed a contract, I made sure I was happy with every aspect of the phone. While I do agree it's pixelated, and that my Sensation had slightly better quality, I am incredibly happy with the screen. I'm rarely centimeters away from the screen so I can live with it especially because the color reproduction is amazing.

gszabi said:
I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I think you just get used to it after a while. I couldn't stand the screen when I first got the phone, It stopped me using it regularly because I just used to get annoyed at the screen! (sad I know) But now I don't even think about the screen because I'm so used to it. I came from the Desire S which had a S-LCD display and a 480x800 display so that was a very good screen considering it was only 3.7 inches! I found the amoled colours of the one s to be extremely saturated. I didn't like the yellowish/blueish whites and the fact that every time you slightly changed the angle of the screen the colours would turn slightly blue. Text looked pixelated especially on a white background, that doesn't help considering a key part of sense 4 settings is all white background. It took me a good month to get used to the screen and 3 months in, I'm used to it Possibly getting the Nexus 4 soon so doubt I'll have much longer with this phone anyway.

Sorry for the little off topic might pickup a one s didn't want to start a new thread...
I saw the one s at my local fido store and damn its so snappy even whit sense !! But i tried the one x and it was somewhat slower is this normal ? Flicking through homescreens just werent the same..
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I did notice it some when I first got it, but I really don't anymore at all, and like was said above, I'm never close enough to my display to really notice it. I think the screen is incredible, as is every other aspect of the phone. I LOVE my One S.

I thought it would annoy me, but the phone was free so I decided to bite the bullet. I've had the phone 6 months now, and I really don't notice it at this point.

I love the one S display, sure the screen isn't as sharp as the GN, GS 3 and one X etc. and you don't get as much screen real estate but everything else is just as good, if not better:
- one of the best screens in sun light, don't even have to put my screen above 70% brightness in direct sun light in order to be able to make stuff out easily and this is on a darkish background too, MUCH better than the GN and GS 2 in this area
- colour reproduction is superb, my screen is pretty much perfect, whites are super white, brighter white than my dell u2311h, iirc a review site stated that the screen is better calibrated than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- no tinting at all on mine, usually with AMOLED screens you get a blue or yellow tint, which is noticeable at angles on whites but not on mine (this varies with every single screen though)
- of course blacks are black and the viewing angles are superb
- high contrast ratio etc. so games and videos look great
I only notice the pentile when looking at white text on black backgrounds and a few icons, but only when I really look for it and have my face pretty close to the screen. I find the one S screen to be sharper overall compared to the GS 2 screen.
I have had the one S beside the GS 2, GN and GS 3 and personally I didn't like the GS 2 screen at all, res. is too low so things are huge (felt like an old man using a phone designed for people with poor eye sight ), colours are far too saturated/warm. The GN screen is nice and sharp but the colours aren't saturated enough, rather dull over all and plus both phones are poor in comparison to the S for view ability in the sunshine. The GS 3 screen is great, better than the GN, however, I think the one S screen looks better for colours.
Anandtech more or less summed up my thoughts:
What’s different, however, is how well HTC has controlled the color temperature and gamma compared to Motorola in the RAZR. As shown in the HCFR galleries below, gamma is pretty close to 2.2 until you get to the high end, and color temperature is pretty close to 6500K, except at the two darkest grey points. This is so much better than any other OEM calibration of an AMOLED panel I’ve taken a look at, which is rather humorous because the panel is undoubtably Samsung’s. HTC is also letting the panel go pretty bright, up past 350 nits, instead of clamping it way down around 200 (I’m looking at you, Galaxy Nexus) to save power. I also haven’t noticed blacks not being totally off on the One S like I have with some others. Of course, colors are still massively oversaturated if your source color space is sRGB.
I’ve griped about PenTile RGBG before on this panel and other SAMOLED displays, but I find the One S to be completely enjoyable in spite of having it thanks to two things. First, how well HTC has controlled the panel (no awful hues, weird white points, or dramatic shifts as you change brightness) - this is basically the best I’ve seen this particular panel, and until SGS3, the best I’ve seen AMOLED in general. Second, because HTC doesn’t appear to be applying any processing that applies sharpening (like Samsung’s mDNIe) to text.
How you feel about PenTile really is the final factor: it’s there, but I’ve slowly become accustomed to it after staring at it for so long. If you go back to the Nexus S days, I was one of the most outspoken critics because of how large those subpixels were. With small enough subpixels (below visual acuity), PenTile starts to make sense. In other news, HTC moving back to Samsung AMOLED for phones is an interesting move after supply issues forced HTC to SLCD with some earlier phones, here on the HTC One S however, it looks great.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/6

My solution: Get old. You probably can't see all the minute issues you guys think matter, and you don't really care if you do. Every phone I've ever had has had a better screen than the previous and I think that's pretty nice.

I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.

mbh87 said:
I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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Have to agree. Thing is apart from the screen it's a fantastic phone. It's so fast, battery life is great and the camera is great. I don't even think the screen would be that bad if it wasn't pentile it's just the fact that it's a pentile display it makes the phone look way more pixelated than it should be

I think I need to go to specsavers, I've never noticed a problem with the screen.

The screen on this is amazing. Don't notice any pixellation whilst on it . It's quite an improvement over my old Wildfires QVGA 3.5 inch 240x320 TFT display.
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If you switched from Wildfire you cant see this but if you had any phone in the alike pixel density and resolution you can see the difference. According to others opinion its not bad, the perfect color saturation, contrast etc will eliminate the bad feeling about those subpixels.

HTC does calibrate their screens nicely

I suppose it depends on what you're used to. When you come from an iPhone or high-end LCD-screen you probably will get annoyed with this display. However, when this is your first touchscreen smartphone or when you had a smartphone with a low-end display before this one, you will probably be able to cope with the slight pixilation.
Personally, even with this being my first touchscreen smartphone and coming from an E72 with a PPI of about 170, the display of this device would be the only reason for me to buy a One X or Nexus 4. That being said; you don't buy a smartphone solely for its display, you buy it for the complete package (price, battery, design, display, size, cpu/gpu, storage, support, OS, cloud integration etc.). And for me, the package the One S offers is more compelling than that of most other smartphones one the market.

I compared the One S screen to that of my Galaxy Nexus and honestly, when it comes to clarity, there isn't much of a difference. If you are in your twenties with near perfect eyesight and able to hold the phone less than a foot from your face then you will probably see pixelation but at normal distances it isn't an issue. For me it seems that anything above 250ppi is fine - my original Galaxy S was less (I think 233ppi) and that display was pixelated to me, but then again it was an earlier generation screen, I'm sure there have been other refinements besides resolution since then.

One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english

I come from an LG Optimus 2x, 4'' ips display, 800x480, and I feel this display better IMHO.
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gszabi said:
One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
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I said Galaxy S, not S2.
Yes the S2 was/is superior despite the lower resolution thanks to the RGB arrangement (not pentile). The original Galaxy S was pentile, and not that great by today's standards.

It's okay, but I'm actually kind of unsatisfied with the blacks. I thought it would be completely black, but when I have a black picture shown on the phone in a completely dark room, the screen still lights up
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