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I am a TYTN II owner and I'm well chuffed with that device. I had a Touch Pro delivered today and I have to say I'm thoroughly underwhelmed. The performance seems pretty sluggish and the browser rendering experience is poor. So I have to say right now mine will either go back to the supplier or will end up on Ebay. It's a shame as I really wanted to like the experience on this device.

Oh the irony! Was your TYTN II as good on its first day as it is today. I have just joined today so as to get help with my new Touch Pro, when it arrives.
Why are you on this forum if you cant wait for others to help with any issues you have discovered with the Touch Pro?

Sorry to hear that!!
IBORGUK said:
I am a TYTN II owner and I'm well chuffed with that device. I had a Touch Pro delivered today and I have to say I'm thoroughly underwhelmed. The performance seems pretty sluggish and the browser rendering experience is poor. So I have to say right now mine will either go back to the supplier or will end up on Ebay. It's a shame as I really wanted to like the experience on this device.
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...but can you elaborate a little more? By "pretty sluggish" do you mean, the TouchFlo 3D, running apps, loading the menus, the camera...just what?
...by "browser rendering experience is poor" do you mean, using IE, loading web pages (which ones?), are you connected with 3G/HSDPA...just what?
More info would help us all...
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Digger. said:
Oh the irony! Was your TYTN II as good on its first day as it is today. I have just joined today so as to get help with my new Touch Pro, when it arrives.
Why are you on this forum if you cant wait for others to help with any issues you have discovered with the Touch Pro?
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It's not a case of not being bothered I just have to say that the experience is poor in my opinion and others who also have lived the windows mobile dream. I really like the hardware but hate the software experience and at 500 quid I'm not willing to gamble on a device experience I don't like, I'll run with my gut on this one.

technillion said:
...but can you elaborate a little more? By "pretty sluggish" do you mean, the TouchFlo 3D, running apps, loading the menus, the camera...just what?
...by "browser rendering experience is poor" do you mean, using IE, loading web pages (which ones?), are you connected with 3G/HSDPA...just what?
More info would help us all...
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TouchFlo is relatively OK performance wise.
Going under the covers to Windows Mobile 6.1 is where it starts to fall apart.
The Browser in use is Opera and yes when connected to HSDPA on a variety of sites including www.bbc.co.uk/news, www.wikipedia.org, www.coolsmartphone.com and others.......
Thanks

IBORGUK said:
It's not a case of not being bothered I just have to say that the experience is poor in my opinion and others who also have lived the windows mobile dream. I really like the hardware but hate the software experience and at 500 quid I'm not willing to gamble on a device experience I don't like, I'll run with my gut on this one.
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Fair enough. Doesnt rank as my best ever first post on a forum . I know what you mean, but I am semi-tied to getting a WinMobile device due to owning a Slingbox. Otherwise it would have been a Nokia E71.

IBORGUK said:
TouchFlo is relatively OK performance wise.
Going under the covers to Windows Mobile 6.1 is where it starts to fall apart.
The Browser in use is Opera and yes when connected to HSDPA on a variety of sites including www.bbc.co.uk/news, www.wikipedia.org, www.coolsmartphone.com and others.......
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Which provider? T Mobile? What speed are you connecting at 3.6. 7.2?

I love mine already.
And I've owned a TyTnII for ages.

Digger. said:
Which provider? T Mobile? What speed are you connecting at 3.6. 7.2?
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TMobile and 3.6 (although in reality that never means more than 800Kps).
I don't think it's connection speed, I think it's the conversion/rendering of the pages into a "desktop browser" format.

rb14 said:
I love mine already.
And I've owned a TyTnII for ages.
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Happy for you . Care to expand your thoughts?

Digger. said:
Happy for you . Care to expand your thoughts?
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Just general performance really. Watching this piece of hardware struggle under Windows Mobile 6.1 trying to keep up with going from landscape to portrait, the aforementioned browser issues and just general speed brings a tear to my eye. Again I really wanted to like the experience but I have to be honest to my first impressions and they are not good.

Wouldn't theoretical maximum for 3,6 MBps be 0,45Mbps, half a meg per second. Also when you state that "when you go under the covers", do you find that you were dissappointed with the WM6.1 OS?? Didn't you already say you were coming from TYTN II, which means you knew perfectly what to wait for. Why so disappointed then.

..and also, don't lose hope just yet. It was only released yesterday. No software is yet well optimized for it, nor the OS is optimized. So it will improve greatly. Just you wait.

rakdoll said:
Wouldn't theoretical maximum for 3,6 MBps be 0,45Mbps, half a meg per second. Also when you state that "when you go under the covers", do you find that you were dissappointed with the WM6.1 OS?? Didn't you already say you were coming from TYTN II, which means you knew perfectly what to wait for. Why so disappointed then.
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Because this fine piece of hardware is sluggish under Windows Mobile 6.1. This is obviously only my own opinion of my own experience, your mileage may vary but bottom line is I'm not happy with how this thing runs.

rakdoll said:
..and also, don't lose hope just yet. It was only released yesterday. No software is yet well optimized for it, nor the OS is optimized. So it will improve greatly. Just you wait.
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Nope I'm done with it. It shouldn't be this hard out of the box.
Again the focus of my disappointment here is the software not the tin.

IBORGUK said:
Because this fine piece of hardware is sluggish under Windows Mobile 6.1. This is obviously only my own opinion of my own experience, your mileage may vary but bottom line is I'm not happy with how this thing runs.
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since you hate it so much send it my way and ill send you 300 quid! Ill even take care of postage.

jasjamming said:
since you hate it so much send it my way and ill send you 300 quid! Ill even take care of postage.
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Nice try fella but I just got the RMA number so it will be going back for a full refund. I hate to say it but I think I'll be jumping off good ship windows mobile for any new purchase. (I can't wait to be flamed on that one !)

What tweaks did you do on your TYTN II, or is it vanilla?

Digger. said:
What tweaks did you do on your TYTN II, or is it vanilla?
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T-Mobile vanilla Windows Mobile 6.0 ROM and it's just good. (Yes I've used non-vanilla, ROMS on other devices e.g TYTN I and seen 'em improve performance.) Maybe I'm just not willing to live that pain on a software config a hardware manufacturer has released directly.

IBORGUK said:
The Browser in use is Opera and yes when connected to HSDPA on a variety of sites including www.bbc.co.uk/news, www.wikipedia.org, www.coolsmartphone.com and others.......
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Sorry I did not get the point here. Is it too slow or is it not able to render the websites correctly?
I'm currently using the leaked Diamond version of Opera on my TyTN and so far I'm quite happy with it. The higher display resolution might of course consume some extra CPU power, but on the other hand the Touch Pro CPU itself is more powerful then the TyTN one.
It's always difficult to compare different user experiences because everyone has different expectations, so I would really appreciate if you could go a little bit more into detail.

Need help deciding between HTC 8925(At&t Tilt) vs HTC Herald (Tmobile Wing)

So im looking to upgrade my phone soon. I currently use a Sidekick ID (Yes yes I know). Been a long time reader of the XDA forums so im looking for some expert advice from well, you guys(the experts). From my understanding the Tilt and Wing are pretty much the exact same phone with different carriers with the exception that the 8925(tilt) has double the ram speed and a faster cpu than the Herald(wing) as well as gps. Anyway the OBVIOUS choice is (Or at least I thought it was) the 8925(tilt). I proceeded to do some more research on the phone and soon discovered the Video Driver\No Hardware accelaration problem on those phones which was a huge turn off for me once I found out about it. As far as the Herald(wing) goes, it is obviously alot slower than the 8925(tilt) due to the slow cpu ,and freeing up memory is something that seems to be more of a tedious task that you have to do every so often. A friend of mine owns a Herald(wing) and he uses the OpenTouch Rom by Ttrans1 which is awesome and is definitely better/speedier than the stock rom. Anyway it seems to me that no matter which phone I get, I am taking a loss in some form or another. So I am here to ask you guys, would I be better off with a slow phone WITH proper video hardware acceleration (Herald/Wing) or a much faster Phone WITHOUT proper video hardware acceleration (Tilt/8925). Any advice,comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

32 views and not one response?

Anyone??????? No need to be shy...

ReDxKinG said:
Anyone??????? No need to be shy...
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Both are more or less the same
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/htc-herald-reviewed-verdict-thin-and-awesome-211475.php
http://tecmoviles.com/htc-8925-sencillamente-espectacular/
But black looks better

.. wait .. why? Wait a month or two and use the upgrade on a newer phone (HTC Rapheal). Or, just upgrade to the HTC Dream if you don't mind an O.S. switch as it has the larger screen.
Trust me, you're going to be disappointed if you do the Tilt/etc and see the new ones out in a month or two at incredible prices (to compete with the iPhone's popularity and price-range).
Not sure if T-Mobile is getting the Rapheal, but AT&T should be getting it at the end of October from what I've been told. Obviously, T-Mobile's HTC Dream (G1) is releasing on the 14th of October I think (for $179 w/2yr).

Or even better, wait a little longer and you can get the HD!!!
That´s a real piece of work!

you can get teh G1 thats coming out next month. I currently have a wing and im really happy with it, but im selling it and getting the g1.

orb3000 said:
Or even better, wait a little longer and you can get the HD!!!
That´s a real piece of work!
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I second that!! The HD will be the ultimate device!

First off,Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it. The general responses seem to be to wait for a newer/better device which makes sense and is the smarter choice Howeverm, the problem (which I failed to mention in my original posting) is that I need to decide within the next week because my job requires me to have a phone with exchange server email(Which I think the sidekick doesnt have and even if it does, the sidekick is not a very "professional" phone and I dont want to use it for work). After reading about the HD though I am DEFINITELY going to upgrade to it when it comes out, but for right now I need to decide between the wing or tilt as I can get either one for 150$. So anyone have any advice as far as those 2 phones go? I understand that they are more or less the same but they both have 2 different problems So I need advice as to which one would be the better choice FOR NOW given the problems they both suffer. Thanks

I figured I'd just throw this out there, I almost went for the AT&T Tilt but decided to forgo that and got the ETEN Glofiish M800. The Tilt and the M800 are pretty much direct competitors. The M800 has a VGA res screen so I got that . As far as I know, the specs were very similar.
There are some reported bugs with the M800, I've fixed all the issues I've had so far and all seems well.

Legodude522 said:
I figured I'd just throw this out there, I almost went for the AT&T Tilt but decided to forgo that and got the ETEN Glofiish M800. The Tilt and the M800 are pretty much direct competitors. The M800 has a VGA res screen so I got that . As far as I know, the specs were very similar.
There are some reported bugs with the M800, I've fixed all the issues I've had so far and all seems well.
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Ive read up on the glofiish and while its a pretty cool phone it is outside of my price range. But thanks for the suggestion as I had never even heard of that phone before prior to you mentioning it lol. Unfortunately, My choice is only between the Wing and The Tilt

G1 or Fuze?

Hey guys I am having a really hard time choosing between these 2 phones. I really like the G1 for it's android feature but also like the Fuze for the fact that it's pretty solid and the Larger sized keyboard. Coming from a Nokia E62 it's nice to have a keyboard. I would just like your opinion witch one has a better aftermarket community. FYI I am an ATT customer.

Both are so different as far as the operating system is concerned that you can't imagine their comparison. You can run Android on FUZE but not vice versa. I would suggest go for FUZE. Good luck.

Fuze for me, whilst the G1 might be good, its in its early stages yet. If you want a gr8 device which is solid, the FUze is for me every time.

I was looking at that last night and it looked interesting but I thought there were still a lot of problems with it hanging up. Anyway I am looking more towards the Fuze just for the fact that I won't have to deal with getting an Unlocked G1 plus it would be cheaper to get the fuze. But I have heard that WM6.1 is pretty laggy and the G1 with the Android is very smooth.

AkumaMax said:
I was looking at that last night and it looked interesting but I thought there were still a lot of problems with it hanging up. Anyway I am looking more towards the Fuze just for the fact that I won't have to deal with getting an Unlocked G1 plus it would be cheaper to get the fuze. But I have heard that WM6.1 is pretty laggy and the G1 with the Android is very smooth.
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If your brave enough after just buying.... flash it, that will solve your lag issues.... but do please read FULLY before doing so. Good Luck and have fun with your fuze.

AkumaMax said:
Hey guys I am having a really hard time choosing between these 2 phones. I really like the G1 for it's android feature but also like the Fuze for the fact that it's pretty solid and the Larger sized keyboard. Coming from a Nokia E62 it's nice to have a keyboard. I would just like your opinion witch one has a better aftermarket community. FYI I am an ATT customer.
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go with fuze, you dont get the 3g network if you are using g1

AkumaMax said:
Hey guys I am having a really hard time choosing between these 2 phones. I really like the G1 for it's android feature but also like the Fuze for the fact that it's pretty solid and the Larger sized keyboard. Coming from a Nokia E62 it's nice to have a keyboard. I would just like your opinion witch one has a better aftermarket community. FYI I am an ATT customer.
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Welcome to the forum
Please visit here: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdachooser
Select depending on your need between the 2 devices and choose the one fits better your personal needs
Good luck,

Well thanx for all the replies guys and am now happy to say that I am an ATT HTC Fuze owner along with my fiance. All though hers will not be a extensively modded as mine

Snapdragon 1 GHz is great BUT...

I just picked up a LG IQ (Monaco) from Telus, but I am not sure what to do....I posted a similar list of questions over on ppcgeeks, but then relized that the LG IQ is sort of a GSM phone (Telus seems to be migrating to a GSM G3+ system from thier CDMA system) and thier might be more interest over here.
I did have a Rogers GSM Apache prior to my Touch Pro, so I was watching this sight quite a bit years ago.
I have just come from a Touch Pro, so the LG IQ is a smokingly fast device, both from a responsiveness, and web surfing point of view. The 1 GHz realy DOES make a difference!!!
But that is my problem...
For what it does, its great, but the interface is far behind the latest Sence builds ( I have mostly used Energy CDMA ROM's on my Touch Pro - thanks NRG!!).
So I have a phone that does stuff FAST, but I miss all the bells and whistles of the new HTC software.
1. What to you guys think..should I keep the device, or go to a Touch Pro2, a known but much more limited hardware platform?
2. Do you think there will be enough interest to open it up and start building kitchens/ROMs?
3. Should I just live with it and put Spb shell or something on it?
Sadly the TP2 or the Omnia (1) really are the only WM options available directly from telus right now, and I am quite a committed WM user (I started with the original CE PDA's)
Ready to hear all thoughts.
If there is interest I will post a miny review in a couple of days...are you interested?

keep your 1G phone! everybody say window mobile is sluggish, maybe on 528mzh cpu, but on snapdragon 1G i dont feel any slowness, it quick! and load/render web pages really quick too! if the phone is hot/popular, people will make custom rom for it!
i love my Acer neotouch with 1G cpu, it' so fast!

i tihnk u should keep it. i would love to hv the lg expo as my 2nd phone. mostly because of the keyboard.
right now im on acer neotouch which also has the 1ghz snappydragon and it feels really snappy compared to my old wm phone (X1).
however it also lacks a custom interface likes htc's sense but i hv installed PointUI on my acer just to cover up some of the default windows stuff. maybe u can try that.
i think there will be enough interest in the lg expo that some smart ppl will start developing custom roms for it.
just like my acer neotouch. i was surprised a couple of members here hv cooked custom roms with htc sense for it. though i havent tried them out myself. maybe in time.

meh
1) No, the Touch PRo hasn't been out that long either. There will be plenty of goodies for the LG soon enough once it gets a bit more market penetration. I myself have the phone on order but won't be getting it until next week or later (hoping it arrives before christmas x (>.<) x [fingers crossed]). Just give it some time.
2)Most assuredly! The eXpo has quite the winning combo of hardware features. I'm most excited about the touch sensor, no more trackball nightmares! Nevermind the cool stuff that can be done with the projector.
3)I think you just need to be patient. You are on the bleeding edge of tech, it's going to take the community a little while to catch up esp considering the holiday season. All these wonderful programmers and ROM chefs have families too.

dude r u serious !!!
offcourse keep the lg iq ...
sooner or later there will be a port ..
wait until att release it...
2c

Keep the IQ and please do a rom dump of it quickly too! PM me and I can help you if you need. Thanks!

u might not get custom roms unless spocky12 plans to cook one.
either way, the snapdragon makes up for the sluggish WM.
u'll still be able to install apps made by the wonderful people here at xda.
i say keep the phone!

Once you have snapdragon, why go back to anything with less cpu...Keep it!

treiz said:
1) No, the Touch PRo hasn't been out that long either. There will be plenty of goodies for the LG soon enough once it gets a bit more market penetration. I myself have the phone on order but won't be getting it until next week or later (hoping it arrives before christmas x (>.<) x [fingers crossed]). Just give it some time.
2)Most assuredly! The eXpo has quite the winning combo of hardware features. I'm most excited about the touch sensor, no more trackball nightmares! Nevermind the cool stuff that can be done with the projector.
3)I think you just need to be patient. You are on the bleeding edge of tech, it's going to take the community a little while to catch up esp considering the holiday season. All these wonderful programmers and ROM chefs have families too.
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I'm actually waiting on mine too. I was told I should get it on Tuesday. I've read everything I can on the eXpo and that was what made me choose that over the Tilt2 (TP2). If anything just for the 1ghz processor. I'm using a Tilt right now with a sakajati hyperdragonIV Mega rom and it runs ...ok I guess. I'm running SPB mobile shell on top instead of manilla and it's running a lot faster. If the S-Class interface isn't to my liking (which I'm sure it will be) I'll probably just install the SPB mobile shell if I can. I'm sure it would look pretty sweet on the higher res screen.
Keep the Monaco. Like others have said before me, it's a great phone and more "goodies" will come out in (hopefully) not too long. It's so new here in the states that I can't even find accessories specifically for it. Not even a case. Hell I can't even find where I can buy the projector. I'd get that now if I could. lol (Cubicle movies at work lol )

meh
I was told I should get it on Tuesday.
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Totally Jealous. I bought mine from amazon full price, they say I won't get it until at least the 23. Just ditched my G1, Android is crap IMHO. This will be my first WinMo phone and I'm looking forward to it. I'm new to this flashing thing but it looks like a lot of fun, I've allways held off getting a smart phone until the browsers improved and they certainly have come a long way recently. Looking forward to winmo7 and IE9.

Did this ROM get dumped yet?
I was going to go to the store and dump one of the phone's roms from there for MightyMike and Juggalo_X at PPCGeeks. If this guy is doing it then I'm sure Astain will pass it on to those two.

Trust me don't go back to a sluggish msm72xxx cause your going to regret it, just be patient rom cooking will come, probably in the coming months, so just keep it and try installing htc cabs on it.

If you really miss touchflo, look for throttlelauncher with a skin, its free and does the same thing, and is more customizable. Of course, the touchflo tweaks will not work for it

arasarn said:
Did this ROM get dumped yet?
I was going to go to the store and dump one of the phone's roms from there for MightyMike and Juggalo_X at PPCGeeks. If this guy is doing it then I'm sure Astain will pass it on to those two.
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With a little help, I will dump this ROM...looking for the tools, and will try to do it tonight.

Dump My Phone
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With a little help, I will dump this ROM...looking for the tools, and will try to do it tonight.
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=36062
follow the procedure in the first post on that thread. pm me your msn if you have it.

liking it much better
cmstackar said:
If you really miss touchflo, look for throttlelauncher with a skin, its free and does the same thing, and is more customizable. Of course, the touchflo tweaks will not work for it
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thanks for the tip...but as time goes on I am getting to like the S-class UI better and better!
This is a phone that was hard to like at first, but grows on you FAST!

I will jump in there and say I will be working for custom roms as soon as I get mine so damn I cant wait to get it... Hows the rom dump coming?

setimpson got some errors when he tried to dump it.
it may not function the same way as the htc phones.

arasarn said:
setimpson got some errors when he tried to dump it.
it may not function the same way as the htc phones.
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what exactly are the errors he got?

meh
Mine is shipping out tomarrow! Can't wait! Should be getting it Monday.

tired of this

Wrong Post

Can I have it?

First off you are in the wrong section
Second, I personally love my android phones. I don't exactly know why you are having speed issues... have you tried cursorsence? I installed it yesterday and I love it. There should be an overclock app in the market that could increase performance. Past that I'm not too sure of the problem.

If you're using MyHero you might as well sell your phone to someone smarter.

Im tired of thinking there are people like you in the world that think everything they want is the way it is. Spoiled little brats like yourself who know nothing of anything outside your little world where your handed everything in life or you cry and make everyone aware of it so you get the attention.
So.. your tired of not knowing what your doing when everyone else seems tobe fine? Well, were tired of people like you coming into our forums to whine about things that make no sense and to demand things completely outlandish.
Noone here is here for YOU. So please.. I beg you, find a new hobby, because this one seems a bit to high out of your reach. Maybe try coloring books?
Oh.. and you say the touch keyboards are so slow... You do understand that "predictive text" doesnt mean it knows what you are going to type before you do right? lol

Wrong Post

I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times

ichijin said:
I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times
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Try SuperD 1.6 or 1.4

aotiko said:
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How exactly is the world tired of people who don't like overrated products? Maybe the world is tired of people like you who love mediocrity. It is literally impossible for you people to not have speed issues. Every single person here has complained about it so dont make it seem like you "figured it all out". Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow. And having the solution to root your phone to make it at a tolerable speed isnt acceptable for buying a phone for $500.
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What he means is no body force you to get this device.
If there is something else you like better go get it and leave this place.
I don't even want to begin guessing what "Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow" means. Because if you're reffering to the Droid and Nexus One you could not be ANY FARTHER from the truth.
You have no facts, you say rooting is the only way to speed up a phone which is clearly wrong.
Why would people want to rip you a new one. You're a troll.

I agree in some way with you aotiko, fortunately my magic only cost's me 170€ without any contract otherwise for 500$ i had gone for an iphone.
typing some times is reallt slow, i'm on the snd word and the android is still writing the first (i'm now using the 2.1 and it is much better).
multi touch sucks, multi tasking is horrible because everything gets slower! (this was on my original 1.5, 2.1 i'm using since today so I still don't have an opinion)
keyboard is not as precise as iphone is (better on 2.0 too, the vibrate on is working much better).
battery life isn't worst but it is not good.
And what bugs me is that apple with a cpu with same velocity as magic done a f*cking fast phone with the 3gs! even with multi tasks on after jailbreak is is much faster, and as I've said CPU have the same speed as magic!
What hct and all other brands do is just increasing cpu speed, don't worry about sW optimisation and that is not good.
It looks like what intel and AMD done in the past in the pentium generation, more cpu clock, better. And it finally come to an end when problems with heat and stuff like that appear.
In the overall I still like my magic, but I won't if i had paid 500$!
just my 2 cents

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I have an HTC Magic 32A and i'm sick of it. It's so slow I don't even like using it anymore. I try all the roms that people claim are "EXTREMELY FAST!!!" and they are STILL slow. The scrolling on text messages, in a browser, or even in menus is very jittery. Android users are always ripping on iphones how they can't multitask until you jailbreak them but people root android phones to make them usably fast which isn't even that helpful. I don't see how I can possibly be doing anything wrong. Does everyone here secretly not enjoy their phones and that's why they are always here to find a ROM that they can actually use? I tell everyone I love it but I really don't. The keyboard is always behind in typing, even in a store on a brand new phone. It really seems like Google released android in a very very very early beta stage just so they won't fall behind in market share.
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Blow it out your ass!
Seriously, this forum is literally full of satisfied Android phone owners! If you are not satisfied with your phone, talk the store that sold it to you. Stop whining here.
My two cents...

cursordroid said:
Blow it out your ass!
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I think it would be better if I sacrifice myself and take his phone, since he doesn't like it !!!

is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)

MMartins said:
is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)
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Yes people are entitled to their opinion. But when someone comes here criticizing the work of these wonderful devs and making baseless arguments. They should leave.
Get an iPhone, and don't come back here. Simple as that.

I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.

MMartins said:
I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.
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I'm not talking about you. Read the OP. Ungrateful for the for of these devs that do their work for simply donations.

i paid 200$ + 35$ activation fee and regret it everyday.
yes i have a stable and "fast" rom and i know how to use my root/sd card and all the settings, but id rather not have to go thru all the non sense.
if i could do it all over again i would have either waited for the android development to get to where we need it or just went with an iphone.

ALL this arguments just because JAVA.

BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.

darvo said:
BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.
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Yea im sure too. Cant wait for the Nexus1 to be released in Denmark though