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I am a bit surprised that so many new WM6 ROMs are appearing on this board. The majority just appear to have been created using the Pandora kitchen.
The Pandora kitchen is so incredibly easy to use so why not just create your own ROM. We all have different requirements so no downloaded ROM is likely to suit anyone other than its originator.
The current Pandora kitchen is IMHO close to perfect. Cook your own it really is easy.
Provided you only flash the OS and nothing else you are no more likely to "brick" your Wizard than if you flash one of the preprepared ROMs - perhaps even less likely.
Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
I am not trying to tell you that I've got balls and super-knowledge to do that and someone else doesn't. The Pandora's Box is awesome, so is the Core Pro Kitchen also. But If it was THAT easy, MS would have also released a kitchen for every user to cook their ROM.
Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
It reminds me of all these "WINXP UTILITIES AIO 2007 XP GOLD" packages that you often see.
I moderate a few boards and I do remove such things, Its not to say that what is being produced here isnt worthy of recognition, but I think it is certainly an idea to thin it a little.
For example lock the topic as soon as it is created and then have simply 1 well moderated thread for bug reports.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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i like idea of wm06 for PSP ( screen calibration specifically ).
rofl.
Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages, so was starting to question even releasing it (I may do some customizations to things, but really not sure). There are so many slight variations with minimal "custom" changes (other than splash screens) that pretty much any of these can be built by about anyone with minimal work (or thats the way it appears).
Faria and Doubleofour opened the cooking floodgates with their easy to use Kitchens. The Core and Pandora kitchens have just increased the proliferation.
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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...so was starting to question even releasing it...
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While the shear quantity of ROM's is, perhaps, unneeded, I for one sure hope you release the next version of XM6! Part of the internet community's ideals is reuse. I surely appreciate mfrazzz's (and the others' he built on!) ROMs.
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Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
Also, where can I get Mattk_r's "complete" solution with the base ROM and all the OEM packages? I would love to see what I'm capable of doing if I had all the right tools and packages available. I have a little bit of creative talent inside me. Yeah, I guess I could just ask Matt...or he could respond...so whoever knows the answer, that would be cool. Matt posts too much (and is a huge help!) to just do a search on his name.
Thanks!!
I once tried every new rom. But then i stopped flashing - because every rom only have minor changes and some have programs instlled i never use.
I think it was hard work for the first released WM6 ported by faria and mun - which were made very clean by e.g. anichillus (and many more....)
But now - afetr this great kitchens were released - cooking is very simple. So it is not really nessecary to release every new liitle step of a rom.
I stop for it - and started USING my device.
BTW - i have a herald now. But still read some of the wizard forum stuff - but it is getting more and more a "fight" - who got the NEWEST files and the BEST looking - it´s more a pimp contest then a developers forum.
Like other say: Just my 2 cent
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Interesting views and opinions. A while back when I first joined the forum, I tested a few roms (Xplore 1.0/1.1, MBE and Love) and quickly jumped onto Faria's/Scooters/Doubleofours kitchens to figure out how to build my own. It became apparent that it needed some "simplicity" and consolidation.
I still like the idea of roms being build and developed by cooks. This way the non-technical users can try them out and give honest feedback, without having to go through the kitchen learning curve. It's hard enough just to keep from bricking your hardware for the newbie.
User feedback can help drive improvements to the base packages and ultamately back to the kitchen - and other builders will benefit as well.
The kitchen I post is a collection of everyone elses work. I simply try to keep it updated with the great improvements that collect amongst all the different threads. I don't take / want credit for what's there - I didn't make it - I just try to make it easier
Ya i would say that there is way to many rom going around that just as too much the same!! I have my own base and i just run off that!!! No need to chnage and chnage from one to another!! I was going to release mine but then i thought that i would not be able to put up with poeple moaning so i have not! It is built how i likw it and that is that!
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
This is a simple question to answer.
Some people don't have the time to learn to cook a rom, such as me. I just like flashing couple times here and there specific roms that match my preference. Rom cookers are nice to share their stuff with the community and this helps fix current bugs and everyone learns something new with the bugs. I don't mind the experimenting.
You got all the random people complaining about how this rom needs this app or this rom should remove this. With different roms shared, one of the roms should be close to what they need.
Right now, the pandora 3.2 VC version is fitting my needs and experimenting with the different roms, this is the one I like the most.
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So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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I would say to you, ya go for it make your own rom how you like it!!! There is so much help on here that you will always be able to do it!!!
Try faria's kitchen
Packages
8 Button Commanger
I have different packages aswell that i have not shared on here so if you need something let me know!
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So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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the tmobile reference is only for the extended rom. you would have the same result if you cooked your rom and ran the cabs afterwards. I'm adding the tmo ext roms just for those cookers that would like to "automate" the installation of said cabs, but aren't ready to make their own - it's easy but one more learning curve to hurtle.
For example, I cook my combo, click the "enable extended rom" box, and build the rom. Since my extended rom has already been flashed, I don't have to add it every time to the nb2nbf_wizard. When the phone flashes, it goes to the extended rom and runs my WAP cabs. Saves me a couple extra steps, since I flash so damn much.
scotch, Ive been saying the same thing since The kitchens appeared. The real releases should be only Build number changes. Unless the builds change, why cant people just use the kitchen, put in what they want and call it a day
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
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Yes, Crossbow Reloaded was based off of the Faria "the real thing" ROM kitchen. I only moved away from that base for XM6 because the Ingenetics rom came out which is a newer base (but didn't have some of the newest updates since it was built when that rom first was released). Personally, the Ingenetics rom seems more stable, quicker, and easier on battery, so I felt it was the next best direction to go (but since the base was different, I renamed it so it wouldn't confuse people as it is different than the Crossbow Reloaded series). If I get time, I may go back and revisit Crossbow Reloaded again (as I liked those roms too). Maybe look at melding the two back together (but they are pretty close already other than the base, and I see the Pandora / Ingenetics rom kitchen helping me do that, thus the direction the next release of XM6.
theres so many new roms because cooking is popular now...People never like the roms that are out so they think they could make a better one they way they like it..so they do..I've done the same thing not to many roms fit my needs..i need something clean but with everything still so i created my own rom and I'm Very happy with it right now so I released I must of made atleast 100 different roms before the release..so if someone sees your rom and it meets there needs thats good for having so many roms..
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Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
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I think this says it all. With the Pandora kitchen you don't edit files or edit/delete hex strings.
You just select what you need and press the button. It takes no more than 10 minutes to cook a ROM including flashing.
You need close to zero knowledge of computing to do it.
I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I think what is needed here is for someone (Matt!) to write a simple user guide to using the Pandora kitchen. It is obvious from this thread that many people believe that using the kitchen is far more complicated than it actually is.
Matt and others are the experts here. They have made the kitchen incredibly easy to use but do not appear to have got this fact over to a minority (or is that majority) of users.
A simple user guide avoiding all technical terms is required. Anyone who can flash one of the pre-prepared ROMs has more than enough knowledge to use the kitchen.
Matt- It I didn't say before -Great Kitchen
While I am new to this field of MDA/Wizard workings. I simply love the fact that there are many different chefs in the kitchens cooking up ROMs for us.
I think I have tried just about all of them on my unlocked 8125 (which I use on the T-Mobile network, and have for almost 1 year now - I LOVE IT). I am hoping to get a faster device soon, as being a power user, I tend to bog this one down.
While I love all the 'prepared' ROMs, here is what I would like to see (and I am sure there are others out there with the same request). I would love a end-all to end-all COOKBOOK (cooking guide). I would like to find a book/instructions on COOKING ROMs. I would like to give it a whirl, and build my own. While I love all the 'prepared' ROMs, many of them have features/apps that I will not use, and are missing ones that I do. Once they are part of the ROM, it appears that you cannot get rid of them.
I feel there should be a repository someplace of ALL VIRGIN (ORIGINAL/UNALTERED ROMs), i.e., WM5, WM6, WM6.1, and the various packages that can be added. Like going to a supermarket and getting the items for your favorite recipe. I mean, the whole idea of COOKING ROMs, and the proggies called KITCHENS, lets carry the idea further.
What does everyone think?
***** To all the CHEFS out there, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK - but remember as Chef Ramsey says "I am the best, you can only one day hope to be half as good as me!" Well, in order to be good, the best had to start off as simply good. *****
Hey you might want to look at the stickies at the top of the forum...
Kitchens are the way to go when building your own roms, and they have pretty in depth how-tos.. Pantry is where to go for the packages.. also stickied.
Look up near the top, and you will find the tools. Learning to use them takes time.
One VALID complaint I have is that people have stopped posting the cooking packages - that is, their dumps of whatever kitchen they are using.
You CAN rip apart an existing rom for a starting point, but there are often problems with doing it (missing pieces, etc) which you then have to resolve or the ROM you cook won't work. In some cases (particularly with 6.1) the XIP won't extract AT ALL which makes for lots of hacking around.
It would be nice if chefs posted their kitchens so we could modify too...... a lot of ROMs are close, but would be perfect with a few more inclusions...
as far as packages are concerned, I make my own from cab files, other peoples kitchens (maybe when I have time to rummage through.. You can also simply request a package on the kitchen tools thread, an I'm sure that we are a sharing peoples.
As far as kitchens, I would recommend finding Faria's to start with. It is extremely simple. All you have to know is that you have a limited amount of space.
As far as the kooking manual:
The WIKI is what you are looking for I got all the information I needed there.
yes it is faria that is easy to use though others prefer hypercore
it is always the preference of you if you like to cook in what kitchen
for me oem is the hardest part thou others find it easy what I hope is that there will also be a stickies on how to
there is a OEM creator
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2089816#post2089816
it would be better if you can also ask for a short tutorial on doing that
Thank You in Advance for all your replies; I will address each one separately:
::Zack84a:: I have been through many of the STICKIES, and I find that many of them are a big mess of babble. While there are some interesting post there, they the concept of linear thought is disconjointed and often bordering on chaos. I would be more than happy to post an illustrated and in depth KOOKBOOK (so to speak) if I can simply get a handle on some of the aspects and theories.
::Genesis3:: I have downloaded several of the kitchens, and unpacked them in different locations on my computer. They all have a multitude of folders, and files within them. I am a very advanced Windows user, and I find it hard to believe that there is not something out there, like the Windows XP or VISTA (joke) installation CD/DVD where you can install the OS to a PPC and customize the install. You would then have to add the little apps to make the PPC your own. Much like installing XP and choosing to use IE, NETSCAPE or FIREFOX for your browser (or one of the other dozen or so out there). It seems that there is not a single post of a COMPLETE and UNALTERED ROM out there for any version. Surely there has to be one someplace. It would also be nice to see a CONCISE and COMPLETE glossary of the terms, and perhaps not written by just one CHEF - but a joint effort.
::Character:: I would agree with you and Genesis3. Perhaps the CHEFS need to start posting (or making available) the complete (uncooked kitchen of their ROMs). This would allow a budding CHEF to play with its nuances and learn what taking a piece out does, remember you can always add more salt to a recipe - but you can never take it back out.
::S.V.I.:: Ahh, saved you for last. I am currently running your latest "901" posting on my WizardA100 (CINGULAR 8125 but being used on T-Mobile), and I LUV IT so far. I had to tweak it a little for myself, add some sounds (that I like), install BATTERY STATUS, and turn on my TODAY items. I am debating an upgrade in June. My contract with T-Mobile is up then. This phone is a hand-me-down from a friend who got a new Q. I loved it so much when he had it, he gave it to me. I have been using the Original T-Mobile MDA 2.26 ROM for so long and wanted to go to 6.0 or 6.1 (which I have been reading so much about). I came to this forum and I think that I have tried about 30 different ROMs so far. Some of them are NICE, some are PRETTY, and one of them would not do anything after 2 minutes from a HARD BOOT. The TODAY screen would come up, and if you let it sit for 2 minutes or longer...nothing worked; no buttons, nothing on the screen, had to SOFT RESET. That one got dumped right away. I would really love to learn from the MASTER CHEFS out here, and being a fast learner - think I would someday make a good chef too.
If I decide to get another PPC device, which one do you think would be good? I know there are 400MHz models out there, and they seem appealing...but I love the HTC Wizard (and its cousins). The phone I am still trying to figure out who made/makes it - is the one from the NEW KNIGHT RIDER MOVIE (the one the bad guy used). It had the coolest screen - looked almost Holographic or LCARS (Star Trek looking). I am surprised that there is not a ROM out here with that theme (LCARS the ST:TNG touch panels).
Okay, enough rambling. I hope that someone will help me go to chef school.
here is what I learned (having successfully cooked my first rom) and may be you will find it usefull when you decide to make a new rocksteady tutorial:
I learned that the color codes in this machene a re a variation of the same stuff as HTML; but with unpredictable results. the only code that works is basic collors, and not very many variations. I learned that reading this rom's RGU's and XML's (provxml's as well) is pretty self explanatory. If you can read the registry, and have enough common sense, it becomes easyer with every hack you put into it. For me it is all trial and error. Last night I spent untill noon trying t get my splash screens to work, and when I finally got it right, I realized that it is not that hard afterall. It is just the initial shock of :
"What tha f--- does THAT mean?!"
I think that most people are getting intimidated by all this jargon, as well as some cooks who have had enough of answering the same (not supid) questions over and over again. They all say: "please refer to this post" and link it. which often times seems pretty cold. However, it takes quite a bit of time and effort to find and link the post in question, and in fact it is a benevolent gesture, not an arrogant reply.
There are thousands of people making posts. ofcourse the information is going to get distorted and chaotic.
I have to say this though: cooking is not difficult (I paint, draw, and make costumes for theatre) I don't come from a tech bakground. If I can do it, than anyone who can put 2+2 together and justify the outcome as 5 or greater; can do it too. lol
I really hope that someone will be able to put together a deffinative cookbook together. someone who can teach, has the time and the patience to go through it step by step, in a language that even george bush can understand. Maybe that person is you (?)
well said...
i think a lot of us would like to make a thorough guide, but oh where's the time? we're all too busy making roms there's a number of good guides for basic kitchen use, but finding the detailed info past making packages is very difficult...
209 seems pretty damn stable, maybe it's time....
My biggest problem with the current 6.1 stuff (using Hypercore) is that neither using it OR some of the other bundled tool sets have I been able to take one of the existing builds and get a clean XIP.
So my cooking produces a ROM that works great but has a wrong version number. Not a huge deal, but......
I believe that this has to do with the nb0 that you are using, not the xip. and there is a very complicated tutorial about it on the wiki. I haven't been able to figure it out.
I dod notice, that when I ised the smaller nb that came with the kitchen the numbers match up.
You can hack the os number. If you have the xip that you should have, you should be able to change the version number of any nb0 using a hex editor.
Well I can split the .nb into the proper files but when I run the XIP extraction tool on it the tool HANGS!
It prints nothing at all and sits - forever.
Anyway I got an XIP directory that extracted properly from an earlier 6.1 build and it works; I've not had the ROMs I've cooked thus far with it (using "slim" as the base) do anything evil, but it bothers me that I'm running a hybrid like this.
When I was cooking 6.0 I had a hybrid that worked well but it took me several weeks to get something that was MOSTLY stable, and it still had some nasty RAM leaks. On the other hand most of the leaks were in the POP3 email support, which I use HEAVILY. IMAP has some problems with my server that make it unusable (Specifically I can't send using it) so I'm stuck to some degree.
Overall however I've got a decent 6.1 ROM; I've not yet "published it" as I need to get back in there and remove the custom funky tahoma font sub default and also put my own "branding" on the startup screen...... but it runs and is very stable.
If I do release it I'll do so WITH the kitchen pack so it can be cooked on further by people. One of the reasons I really like cooking my own is that to the extent I can put apps into the base ROM I don't use up program memory.
ARGHHHHH!!!!! My Brain Hurtz
All these damned terms: XIP, .NB0, .NBK, OEM, SYS, Na-Nu Na-Nu, etc.
This is what I want to clear up. I am willing to do my best in creating a DEFINATIVE/PROFESSIONAL KOOKBOOK, but I need to lear some of these terms. How's about we start a GLOSSARY someplace. Start listing words and definitions someplace and all the CHEFS add to/expand on them??
While I am like SVI, I have 3 jobs, but I find that I have a lot of WAITING time in front of my PC, while another one is doing something - I would love to start compiling ROMS, I have over 1TB of storage space available. If anyone wants to send them to me, with a complete description, contents, versions etc. Perhaps I can create a repository for all of them and HOST them. I dunno. Just trying to do something constructive. I could sit here for days reading these posts and never get all the ROMs, patches, updates, applications etc. Geez if there was a simple FTP location with all of them!!!
Okay, Okay - getting off soapbox so that I can bang my head on it.
Much Thanks to everyone!
Upgrading???
Do you guys have any input on this missed question?
::: If I decide to get another PPC device, which one do you think would be good? I know there are 400MHz models out there, and they seem appealing...but I love the HTC Wizard (and its cousins). The phone I am still trying to figure out who made/makes it - is the one from the NEW KNIGHT RIDER MOVIE (the one the bad guy used). It had the coolest screen - looked almost Holographic or LCARS (Star Trek looking). I am surprised that there is not a ROM out here with that theme (LCARS the ST:TNG touch panels). :::
I think that PHONE was cool'r-n-hell, but have no idea what it was.
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Do you guys have any input on this missed question?
::: If I decide to get another PPC device, which one do you think would be good? I know there are 400MHz models out there, and they seem appealing...but I love the HTC Wizard (and its cousins). The phone I am still trying to figure out who made/makes it - is the one from the NEW KNIGHT RIDER MOVIE (the one the bad guy used). It had the coolest screen - looked almost Holographic or LCARS (Star Trek looking). I am surprised that there is not a ROM out here with that theme (LCARS the ST:TNG touch panels). :::
I think that PHONE was cool'r-n-hell, but have no idea what it was.
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Sorry for continuing the off-topic but if you like phones that look like the wizard and have 400Mhz processors then you must get Kaiser a.k.a Tytn II a.k.a Tilt
cheers
First of all, I want to thank all the XDA contributors. Y'all make some great guides and tools. I hope to join the ranks some day.
Some background, then the question. So I've cooked a couple roms based of the ATT 3.57.502.2 ROM, extracted the OEM/SYS/XIP folders, made a couple of my own packages (from cabs + registry edits), and built a splash.nb. I'm using Kaiser Kitchen v0.3, but I do not use the 'kitchen' per say. I am a big believer in that a tool is only as good as your understand of it. If you are using a tool and the only thing you know is 'I input x and I get back y', you haven't learned anything. That being said, I've steered away from all the .bat files included in the kitchen.
Now the question: When I use PKGTool on the dump folder I get the SYS and OEM folders as expected, but I also get six .dsm files too. They seem to reference a "OEM_UpdateCert" and a "PackageGSM". What are they, and what should I do with these .dsm files? I just ignored them on my first batch of roms.
I'm pretty sure you can just delete those if you've already made packages
Yeah that's what I'm thinking (my other roms work fine), I was just wondering if anyone knew their purpose.
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking (my other roms work fine), I was just wondering if anyone knew their purpose.
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I don't know "their purpose", but I always get rid of any leftovers like that.
Tools are tools, they never replace human's thinking, so you gotta help them after they done their job
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I don't know "their purpose", but I always get rid of any leftovers like that.
Tools are tools, they never replace human's thinking, so you gotta help them after they done their job
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Haha, works for me. Thanks bud.
Ok, so if this is posted elsewhere then someone kindly point me in that direction BUT the question is: If I have a cooked ROM from myself or another chef is there an easy way to break the ROM down and add in what CABs/OEMs I want for a more customized ROM? I know many may think that stealing a chef's work but truth be told there are a LOT of really great ROMs that I've tried but sometimes there are certain odds and ends that I don't ever use that take up unnecessary space and bog down my Kaiser. Nothing nearly as bad as the original AT&T bloatware(!!!!) but still! lol xD
So yeah, I've toyed w/ BuildOS but I've only made seriously outdated ROMs () and have about decided to give up my attempts at serious cooking since there are 50,000 new bases out eek and I just can't seem to keep updated but on that note, if someone knows a good place to find some WM6.5 cooking info then that'd be appreciated too! =D
But the original question still stands, any way to break down the OS and edit the guts?
Thanks in advance!
By the way...
I have searched around for this but I haven't found a seemingly definite answer (at least not a clear and easy one lol)
Just didn't want anyone stumbling across this and being all like "Search!!"
Anyways, thanks again in advance!
sure you can break down a chef's ROM and add your own stuff in by extracting the ROM and then putting in your own packages or setting CABs to run during the customization process but don't take a Chef's work add some stuff and then release your own ROM.
what a nice dream !
the only thing you can do is break down the ship rom as it's unlocked, or else wait for the chefs to release their kitchen like I did. you can find my kitchen with build 20765 for kaiser at pdaviet.net, under the box pdaviet rom for Kaiser
good luck !
Lol
Yeah, I didn't plan on releasing it as my own =P
Basically I have the Phoenix 2 and think about the new PDAVIET ROM but P2 has some quirks that I'd like to tweak.
So, I've dumped my ROM straight from my phone so guess I need to head on over to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337066 and go from there, ey?
And any ideas why the Kitchen Wiki hasn't been updated to include Titanium info? I love how outdated the Wiki has become lol All 2006-early 2008 stuff =P Crazy how much has changed since WM6
Haha, Thanks!
medkid said:
what a nice dream !
the only thing you can do is break down the ship rom as it's unlocked, or else wait for the chefs to release their kitchen like I did. you can find my kitchen with build 20765 for kaiser at pdaviet.net, under the box pdaviet rom for Kaiser
good luck !
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Lol How funny. I posted my last message before noticing you added this. Lol I mentioned your ROM and then come back to check this thread and BOOM! you're posted ABOVE me lol I love it lol
Anyways, speaking of love, I think I love you lol basically I've been looking for updated kitchens and if this base is the one I've been looking for then I'll be ecstatic!
Off to look @ it I go! xD
Thanks fellas!
You should be able to break it and play with it in kaiser kitchen as long as rgu files are intact! In some cases, you might not be able to do it in kaiser kitchen, for those ROM's I used ROMDonald's (mod to kaiser) to break down and add stuff! But some of them like PDACorner, cant break them down no matter what!
Also there is a htc ROM tool, that tool lets you delete and add stuff without even breaking it down! I havent tried it myself, but I have heard it works.
HTCOmega said:
Yeah, I didn't plan on releasing it as my own =P
Basically I have the Phoenix 2 and think about the new PDAVIET ROM but P2 has some quirks that I'd like to tweak.
So, I've dumped my ROM straight from my phone so guess I need to head on over to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337066 and go from there, ey?
And any ideas why the Kitchen Wiki hasn't been updated to include Titanium info? I love how outdated the Wiki has become lol All 2006-early 2008 stuff =P Crazy how much has changed since WM6
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Well, if you're talking about PDAViet P2, isn't that 6.5?
Because Phoenix II is 6.1...
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Yeah, P2 is 6.1 and the new PDAVIET is 6.5
I'm currently using P2 and really love it but I've bogged it down w/ extra stuff and my TouchFlo is constantly locking up and bugging me. It drives me crazy that I have to soft reset like I do and that it deletes a lot of my texts when I do so. I can only imagine that when Tmail is open and my SMS is onscreen and my phone locks up that when I soft reset that it erases all the texts since the last soft reset. It's seriously irritating. Not the ROM's fault but would like to pull chunks out to give me more room and speed.
I've played w/ a 6.5 ROM before and had mixed feelings about it. If I was truly worried about speed then I'd flash a simple stock-based ROM w/ the original HTC Home but it's ugly I seriously prefer M2D or Titanium.
Anyways, I dont expect the chefs to make personalized ROMs for me and seeing as I epic fail at cooking ROMs from scratch then I'm just trying to dig around for ways to incorporate personalization to the actual ROM instead of manually installing all of the additional stuff.
MedKid: I can't read (Vietnamese?) the instructions under your Kitchen posting on your site and Yahoo obviously isn't smart enough to auto-translate it since it popped an error when I asked it to translate. So. Care to translate for me, please?
Well alright folks, I appreciate it. I'm going to go see if I can tinker w/ MedKid's Kitchen for a few to see if I can get this thing running. I'll keep you guys updated. Maybe if I can make something out of this then starting from scratch wont be so hard from now on.
T.I.A.!
HTCOmega said:
Yeah, P2 is 6.1 and the new PDAVIET is 6.5
I'm currently using P2 and really love it but I've bogged it down w/ extra stuff and my TouchFlo is constantly locking up and bugging me. It drives me crazy that I have to soft reset like I do and that it deletes a lot of my texts when I do so. I can only imagine that when Tmail is open and my SMS is onscreen and my phone locks up that when I soft reset that it erases all the texts since the last soft reset. It's seriously irritating. Not the ROM's fault but would like to pull chunks out to give me more room and speed.
I've played w/ a 6.5 ROM before and had mixed feelings about it. If I was truly worried about speed then I'd flash a simple stock-based ROM w/ the original HTC Home but it's ugly I seriously prefer M2D or Titanium.
Anyways, I dont expect the chefs to make personalized ROMs for me and seeing as I epic fail at cooking ROMs from scratch then I'm just trying to dig around for ways to incorporate personalization to the actual ROM instead of manually installing all of the additional stuff.
MedKid: I can't read (Vietnamese?) the instructions under your Kitchen posting on your site and Yahoo obviously isn't smart enough to auto-translate it since it popped an error when I asked it to translate. So. Care to translate for me, please?
Well alright folks, I appreciate it. I'm going to go see if I can tinker w/ MedKid's Kitchen for a few to see if I can get this thing running. I'll keep you guys updated. Maybe if I can make something out of this then starting from scratch wont be so hard from now on.
T.I.A.!
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Maybe you should bring your problems over to PDC for the crew to analyze? And your thoughts for P3. Because your issues with P2 are NOT normal.
PDC
Just left from over at PDC but may stop back by and give lay this on the PDC crew.
Like I said, I've loaded my phone down so it's very likely the TF issues are solely caused by lack of operating memory to the point of a lock-up. It IS Windows-based, after all lol
Does anyone remember the "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" error? Yeah, think my lock-up is the WinCE version lol
It's wonderful, it really is.
Anyways, it'll either be today or tomorrow when I lay this on PDC.
Thanks for the help ::thumbs up::
It all depends on how the ROM was build as to wether you can dump it and re-build it with your own tweaks. Chefs can protect their ROMs to prevent dumping, in which case you will find it hard work.
It's probably easier just to add CABs to the cooked ROM.
Ta
Dave
you just need to find out how to create os.nb.payload from any htc ship rom for kai ser or any of my roms, put this os.nb.payload in to ROM folder in my kitchen and that's it, you have a full kitchen 20765 for kaiser. Every tools you need is there in my kitchen, but you'll have to install net cf 2.0 and microsoft C++ 2008 into your pc (both of them are found in that thread of pdaviet)
after you have a full kitchen, just double click on build rom.bat and wait 5 minutes, voila your rom ruu_signed.nbh is created in FLASH, now plug in your cable and flash it to your device.
google "bepe new kitchen tool" to take a look at his flash tutorial on how to create a rom, how to use this new kind of kitchen
that's all you need, I can not explain more, you have to try and look for the answer , google is your good friend in this case.
Now that aughta work!
Thanks Med. I've currently got Anyrl's latest kitchen, your kitchen, BuildOS and one other, I think. And I've yet to make a half-decent ROM since WM6 some time back in early 08 lol I'm disappointed in myself.
Anyways, I appreciate all the help from you guys. This might be a handy thread to keep open but if a Mod feels like it then feel free to close it.
Thanks again!
I wonder how the proper way to cook a ROM is. I have fooled a little around with some ROMs by adding some files, removing some, editing a file here and there. Packed it, and signed it.
But is this the way to cook a ROM?
I really like to hear how its supposed do be done. Right down to the kernel..
Or maybe just point me in a direction.
I really wouldn't mind a couple pointers in the right direction as well.
I installed an Ubuntu VM today and I'm getting the Android SDK up and running.
At this point, I have no idea what to do next, but I'm stubborn so I'll keep trying.
Thanks for any help that any one can provide.
a few links realated to the issue:
http://source.android.com/download
http://www.cianer.com/androidg1/28-building-android-kernel-images
i'm starting to mess around with things, i think i'm close in creating ROM from the cupcake branch
I also need to read more on the issue from someone that already created one
Thx
Probably the thing I miss most about my Wizard is this. The guys making roms are doing a wonderful job, but not everyone has the same needs; sure there's a lot of different roms out there, but I just rather do these things myself. That said, I personally haven't really tried to hard to get info on the subject and I'm sure there's plenty of it around if I care to look. Maybe I'm just spoiled from my wizard days with the guides and the kitchens and stuff.
I'll do some reading courtesy of dmanbuhnik @ some point; not now though.... regretfully I gotta wake up early....on a saturday.... the single most hateful thing that can happen to me in a week.
I agree we need a HOW to guide on custom ROM's.
Little off topic but is there any way to optimize the 32B Kernel for a smaller footprint and speed. Possibly remove some features. With the small memory size on it we need to cut the fat where it matters.
you need to create the kernel from scratch in order to get an optimize one for your needs
i know that you can play around with the .config file to decide which features you want in or out
but as a said - i'm only at the begining of the process i rather hear it from someone with real experience on the issue