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Is WM 6.1 an official release or a cooked ROM? Either way, how do I get it?
6.1 are released, but our cooks have tweaked and added their own flavors. There are many on the forum
To get it, you download a rom for the Kaiser and you flash it.
But before doing that, I suggest you alot of reading. Not hours, but many here have read for days.
Just check at list first 2 Sticky on first page before asking .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
I dont't want to be bed guy but it could happend that one not verry skilled member to answer to your question with a link to a WM 6.1 and if you just flash it you could brick your phone without HardSPL.
Ace78611 said:
Is WM 6.1 an official release or a cooked ROM? Either way, how do I get it?
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LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?
This is l-o-l.
alltheway said:
LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?
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no, hes not joking and we can just kindly refer him to the wiki
alltheway said:
LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?
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No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
kwill said:
no, hes not joking and we can just kindly refer him to the wiki
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Thank you kwill for at least providing direction. You truly deserve the senior member title.
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No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, don't you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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I agree with alltheway. Read, and search for answers. I typed your original question in Google and got 499,000 hits! I put two different variances of it in the forum search and got pages of threads. Don't make excuses about having a "life" and not using the fundamental tools at your disposal, cause we all have lives outside of the forum too. If you think every post should be positive then move to Utopia and ask n00bish questions there. The forum is here to help, but it's cluttered with ridiculous threads because everyone expects to be spoon fed information that's easily at their own disposal.
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No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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LOL. This makes me laugh.
Actually I do have a quite productive life outside of XDA. I don't know if you noticed the things at the top of the page that say stickies. Yeah those are meant there to be read first. The problem with this forum now is that nobody will take the time to do a little research. They want everything spoon feed to them. I understand you don't have much time being a student, believe me I was there once, but doing a search for about 10 minutes wouldn't hurt you. You could have easily found the result you were looking for by simply going to Google Advanced search and I guarantee this would have taken less than 10 minutes.
You say that you are familiar with flashing and radio's. Well you would have known this answer right from the start if you were even a little bit familiar with this process. How do I get WM6.1...Hmmm maybe look at the sticky that says WM6.1 ROM Links !!! Updated Daily!!!.
Austinsnyc has donated a lot of his time to publish this and keep it up to date so the forum in not inundated with ridiculous questions such as these.
Obviously a little more education wouldn't hurt you. READ and COMPREHEND!
...and since you are reading this I recommend that you check the 1st link in my signature...It's there just for the likes of you.
ronfin44 said:
I agree with alltheway. Read, and search for answers. I typed your original question in Google and got 499,000 hits! I put two different variances of it in the forum search and got pages of threads. Don't make excuses about having a "life" and not using the fundamental tools at your disposal, cause we all have lives outside of the forum too. If you think every post should be positive then move to Utopia and ask n00bish questions there. The forum is here to help, but it's cluttered with ridiculous threads because everyone expects to be spoon fed information that's easily at their own disposal.
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Well said
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Thank you kwill for at least providing direction. You truly deserve the senior member title.
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LOL...
do you hear a sucking sound?
Ace78611 said:
And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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Sounds like someone is mad, when the guys are just trying to tell you to read, their just trying to save you some money for your Kaiser. I must say I often pay XDA a visit at least for 5 minutes every hour. Somehow, other members and myself can balance our life. I run my own company, the social life, and XDA very easily.
If you think you need to prioritize in while in school, I suggest a sidekick. I heard T-Mobile has a very nice sidekick that can direct link to myspace now.
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Sounds like someone is mad, when the guys are just trying to tell you to read, their just trying to save you some money for your Kaiser. I must say I often pay XDA a visit at least for 5 minutes every hour. Somehow, other members and myself can balance our life. I run my own company, the social life, and XDA very easily.
If you think you need to prioritize in while in school, I suggest a sidekick. I heard T-Mobile has a very nice sidekick that can direct link to myspace now.
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LOL. I also recommend a Razr for you. A pink one in that
LMAO man read the sticky.
Dude, read the stickies, they're there for a reason or do a simple search...If people started a new thread everytime they had a simple question, we would miss out on a lot of good info and good people on the forum.
Posting For Idiots. & Reading For Idiots.
Both very good books I hear.
does this forum just have no respect anymore, doesnt hurt to nudge him in the right direction and maybe criticise him for being too lazy to do the usual, no need to all gang up on him though, thats just bang out of order, i thought this community was here to help people.
AdamG said:
does this forum just have no respect anymore, doesnt hurt to nudge him in the right direction and maybe criticise him for being too lazy to do the usual, no need to all gang up on him though, thats just bang out of order, i thought this community was here to help people.
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I agree, it is here to help people, you are right. However, that being said, lately this forum has become inundated with an extremely large amount of people, no0b's and seniors alike, who dont feel the need to do a search or even read through the existing threads and stikies before they post. Most, as of late, even start a new thread. When is enough enough? I do answer as many questions as my time allows me for people needing answers that I don't remember seeing before or questions that have a tough answer to follow. But my God, the whole front page is covered with 6.1 roms, cooked and raw.
AdamG said:
i thought this community was here to help people.
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It is, with stickies.
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
I recommend you read the sticky at the top of this forum. Then do a search on WM 6.1 roms, there are lots. Then when you understand the process you then flash away. See the links in my sig...they will help get you started as well.
Each person likes different things in ROMS, so it is very subjective. You should have done some research before posting...
Good luck.
ooo.....this thread could get interesting
*grabs popcorn, waits for the jarek91 patented razing technique*
andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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I used to love this forum. I now have the hardest time just peeking in.
I have read the multi page thread about what to do about the redundant threads and none of the suggestions have been implemented (except the heavy hammer by Kyphur). alas, with the fact that our phones are now so common, we have more people than ever trying to flash. I miss the days when the XDA was one of only a few devices that people used and you cuold only find 50-60 users online at any given time.
Andrewsitu, you are one of countless junior members who want to start flashing but can't take a few moments to look around. In some ways I can't blame you, since there are SOOO many threads, many pointless and redundant, it can be daunting. But it is a chicken and the egg dilema.
Maybe we need a senior member forum only so that we can actually be productive. This is nuts. I really feel like checking out . . .
andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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I recommend you return to the 2nd grade where they teach you how to read and comprehend.
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Maybe we need a senior member forum only so that we can actually be productive. This is nuts. I really feel like checking out . . .
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I feel exactly the same way.
But what would I do if I didn't have the government and everybody else making decisions for me? Oh my god where am I, what's my name, who are you guys, and where are my pants? Can somebody spare a Xanax, I think I'm having a nervous breakdown.
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I feel exactly the same way.
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Ditto here. It did help us alot during the Beta testing.
I don't think you could just limit it to Senior Member status though as some people could just post useless info to get their post count up in order to make SM status.
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ooo.....this thread could get interesting
*grabs popcorn, waits for the jarek91 patented razing technique*
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I read these threads strictly for the entertainment value.
-McMex
crispyj said:
Ditto here. It did help us alot during the Beta testing.
I don't think you could just limit it to Senior Member status though as some people could just post useless info to get their post count up in order to make SM status.
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Easily handled if the title was bestowed, rather than just automatic. mods could review and either grant or put them in pending status until useful posts actually accounted for the needed 100. Puts more work on the the mods in some ways, but lessens it in others (fewer closed threads). I'd also have any new thread from anyone with less than 50 posts approved for non-redundancy by the mods.
I just really miss this place and I just seem to get more and more frustrated everytime I log in. And in some ways I can't blame the NooBs, because if aI saw all these threads I'd be spinning and wanting to just take the easy way out. It would be nice to have a senior member lounge or something . . .
noob
as someone who has read just about every post on here for kaiser I can say it is very daunting. but seriously he could at least have read the wiki...maybe we need a new main thread called..im a newb with a stupid question and im too lazy to read! I really appreciate all the help I've gotten here and I even cook my own roms now...read..read..read!!!
andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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Personally, I'd recommend looking through the "Kaiser Upgrading" forum for all ROM releases with "WM6.1" in the title. Then look at the list the Chef's provided of what's in the ROM and think "Do I use all those things?", then look again and think "Have I got installation cabs for the others I use that aren't there?". If the answer is "yes" to both, flash it as that's your perfect ROM. If the answer to either is "no", then note what was missing/extra and look at the next ROM. When you're done go to whichever ROM closely fitted your needs and flash it.
Oh, and for the love of (insert deity of your choice) install Hard-SPL first, then a WM6.1 Radio ROM after and don't expect your hand to be held by others in this forum until you've proven you're willing to learn the basics. Once you've proven you're willing to try, you'll be amazed how friendly and helpful everyone is.
jarek91 said:
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Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
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the scary thing is......he was actually being nice
jarek91 said:
Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
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Hahaha, You sound like Dr. Cox in scrubs, or are you the writer ?
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Hahaha, You sound like Dr. Cox in scrubs, or are you the writer ?
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I'm just an angry single man in need of my dream woman...a 6' redheaded asian babe that can cook, is into anime and gaming that thinks I'm the sexiest thing alive. But I'm not picky or anything.
Seriously, I'm just a guy with a bit of creativity that likes to make people smile over things they wouldn't usually smile over. Oh...and I do like to vent on occasion.
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I'm just an angry single man in need of my dream woman...a 6' redheaded asian babe that can cook, is into anime and gaming that thinks I'm the sexiest thing alive. But I'm not picky or anything.
Seriously, I'm just a guy with a bit of creativity that likes to make people smile over things they wouldn't usually smile over. Oh...and I do like to vent on occasion.
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Yea, I would love a ginormous sensitive(you know what I mean XD) asian too lol.
Seriously you do sound like Dr. Cox from scrubs, like exactly something he would say to get them motivated, all you hvae to say is newbie and your set .
It's not that hard to give your input. Man, you guys make it seem like suicide. Just answer his question with a couple of words and bam your done. It gets the job done and the OP is satisfied. At the OP, i like Dutty's newest 6.1. I recommend you give it a try.
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Easily handled if the title was bestowed, rather than just automatic. mods could review and either grant or put them in pending status until useful posts actually accounted for the needed 100........
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Not a bad idea - it's been floating around since the Hermes days and probably earlier. BUT... would you like to sift through the 593872 (and rising) members to see which of us seniors actually qualify as useful.
In my 440+ posts some have been helpful, some fun and some flaming but NONE qualify me as a developer (the main reason for this forum). Would I be excluded?
The only real way to sort this out is to let the guys who actually run the site decide what they want, make new rules if necessary and then we live with it.
jarek91 said:
Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
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When I first saw this thread, I was wondering if u show up yourself here.
ive been looking over the forums for months now. i see people ask questions. and instead of given anwsers they are slammed because they should of researched first. Why? isnt it easier to just anwser a question than wasting a post saying you should of read first? if most people are like me (and i assume they are) they dont have time to search through thousands of posts just to find a possible anwser to their questions. the rom threads are getting too long 250+ posts average. and very often going on and off topic. so i guess what i am proposing is sub forums. let "Cooks" apply for a sub forum. not juyst any cook. but if they are making an honest to goodness contribution to the community i think it would help find information a lot easier. yes i know the forums have a search feature. but this it can still be difficult to sift throught the information.
so something like
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > JossKoss
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > Arnyl
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > MedKid
any roms a cook makes could have its own thread. and anything in the subforum would pertain to that particular person. now im not saying give one to just any person that half cooks a rom. it could even be based on a threashhold if the rom gets so many posts .. 200. or by votes. or just by the cooks reputation. that way people can post new threads inside the subforums without it getting moved into the thread with thousands of posts.
i dont make the decisions. im just posting something i think would help sort information and make it easier to find. that way if i have a problem with x rom. instead of reading through one thread there is a thread for each problem. then it is easy to see if that problem im having is an issue with other people. and if its been resolved. give the cook mod status of the particular sub forum and they can moderate it themselfs. so if you agree vote Agree on the poll if you dont vote Disagree on the poll.
My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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Hey bro you wanna drink some natty ice, play some game cube?
on topic... I think it sounds like a pretty solid idea, would help with a lot of the organizational problems.
Cooks come and go! It sure wont make sense to have a sub-forum for them! If you follow xda for a while, you will understand what I am talking about.
What a load of faffing about......
Mods don't get paid and would make more work for them as more to cover.
For all the info people get from XDA is free, so maybe a bit of searching isn't that bad if you want something bad enough you will find it.
Peace.
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My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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well first off if you are cooking roms to release to the public , then yes you should beable to anwser most questions that arise.
and second as i stated dont just give anyone a subforum only the cooks that truly contribute. only the serious cooks that have proven themselfs.
but the kitcens have truly gotten too easy for just anyone to make their own rom. and this would also help identify who the trusted / established cooks that know what they are doing are.
stylez said:
What a load of faffing about......
Mods don't get paid and would make more work for them as more to cover.
For all the info people get from XDA is free, so maybe a bit of searching isn't that bad if you want something bad enough you will find it.
Peace.
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GTZ said:
give the cook mod status of the particular sub forum and they can moderate it themselfs
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i also addressed this in my original post
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Yes i saw that but Mods still will have to have some control so therefore more work, as not all chefs are online and able to keep threads clean.
To be honest i like it the way it is.
just my 2p's worth.
There has been numerous threads like this generally for the software section to be split... I think XDA is set up the way it is and lets just be happy with the community and wealth of information we have..........
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Cooks come and go! It sure wont make sense to have a sub-forum for them! If you follow xda for a while, you will understand what I am talking about.
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well what i was saying is give it to the ones that have earned it.
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now im not saying give one to just any person that half cooks a rom. it could even be based on a threashhold if the rom gets so many posts .. 200. or by votes. or just by the cooks reputation.
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if its a well known cook and they have been around for a while i think they have kinda earned it. what im saying would be a little extra work for anyone that would be willing to create the sub forums. it would ultimatly keep roms neater.
you could then have a thread for each rom. build . why should someone read through problems of 21198 then they have been fixed in 21500. there are lots of advantages to adopting this procedure. and very few drawbacks. (yes there are some) . if nothing else lets get some of the cooks opinions.
but i thank each of you for your feedback.
stylez said:
I think XDA is set up the way it is and lets just be happy with the community and wealth of information we have..........
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well i think if we wernt happy with the way it is we wouldnt be here. that doesnt mean there arent things that need improvement this place is constantly growing and its not uncommon for these forums to outgrow the old ways of doing things.
but again i respect your points of view also
It would make more sense for cooks to use a unified thread titling scheme.
For example, the tilt keyboard fix still has a title of [new] or something similar on it when it is years old.
Perhaps a loose standard should be developed so it is easier to find. Note: I spelled out the date so it is obvious to europeans and americans who list them differently. I hate early month dates!!! -----> 4-5-2009 April or May?
[October 15, 2009] - Anryl - WM6.5 25000 - v1
disagree
this is my vote
What are there no mods on duty today ?
Please, not another thread by another noob/ lazy user ? slamming the seniors for telling them to search. Here are the posting rules handed down by our Queen Flar.
1. Search before posting.........this isn't a suggestion or a senior being a jerk or an " unhelpful " post..... IT IS A RULE
2. Please be polite and respect your fellow users.......... the next time a noob gives me a ration of crap about a " wasted post " and " if I can't be helpful then mind my own business " when I instruct him as to the search function and ,as I ALWAYS do, start him in the right direction, I am going to hunt him down and remove his texting thumbs.
4. Post only using a clear subject and message. ........... I swear , if you could type in " help me pleeeeeease " into the search function, it would return over a thousand separate threads . It is this, and the thousands of I tried to search , but it is so haaaaaaard threads, that make searching so hard. Not the lack of information.
I liked it better back in the " old days " when asking a redundant or stupid question or if you were a noob that dared lash out after getting told to search, you would get drawn, quartered, tarred ,feathered and then set on fire. I lurked on this site from Nov until April when I finally joined, because I was terrified to ask a question. And I am fifty times more knowledgeable because of it . If I needed a question answered, I read and search, and search and read and found my answer. Because ALL the answers are here.
The models may change but the questions are all here. It seems now all you have to do is lash out about how unhelpful this place is, or how hard it is to search or how mean all the seniors are for " wasting my time telling me to search, when in the same time they could have just answered my damn question.", and before you know it , you have people falling all over themselves trying to answer this idiot's question. Because we can't have the noobs thinking we are unfriendly.
I have said it before and I will say it again. This is a library , NOT, HTC Tech support. Much as you would not go to the librarian and say give me all you've got on.....................
You ask the librarian where you would begin your search for................ and you go gather the information for yourself. So when a senior tells you to go search and start here, it is because we are following forum rule and noobs should be directed to also. And If that is not satisfactory to them them they should be directed to HTC Tech support because they are of no benefit to this community.
I like the way it was, is and will be. Search read and search some more, it is up to you to find it , not for the rest of us to fall over ourselves making it yet even easier because ...................
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if most people are like me (and i assume they are) they don't have time to search through thousands of posts just to find a possible answser to their questions.
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..........................i'm just sayin..................................
Okay, I have had my rant and vote, Josh, you can close the thread now
I honestly dont think that is a good idea because it would make it harder for new cooks to get there roms out, if a cook really is as good as you describe (which many are) you will find there roms but yes some cooks do upgrade phones and stop cooking and the sub-topic would then start falling apart and then no one will want to delete it otherwse all of that persons roms will be gone (I guess they could just move the threads actually) But still I think it seems unfair to newer cooks becaue the way it is set up now you can see if another rom starts to gain popularity otherwise everyone would only look at the cooks that have the most experiance.
BTW- I dont know how to cook but it sounds fun and I might want to learn someday if I stop feeling lazy lol so yeah thats one of the reasons I think like this but I guess this could be helpfull in some ways
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well what i was saying is give it to the ones that have earned it.
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There is no such thing as that! We all do this forum for free! So people do it when they find time! Once time is an issue cooks do vanish no matter how good they are! Just dont argue, read and enjoy the forum!
Let's appreciate the idea he had on his very first post, but I think We need to change the place of this discussion as well. Great buddy no more words no more options on my part, just ask anyone from senior members & they will tell you why they don't agree with this idea. They know the trend on this forum. Good Luck but I think this topic needs to be moved out of ROM upgrading atleast.
I think its lazy. You are trying to make stuff easier on yourself and make more work for the people poviding us with great ROMs, basically for free. I'm not sure if youve ever modified a forum but its no easy task. This isnt tech support. I have very few posts but thats because most of the questions are answered somewhere around here. If you dont have time to look, maybe you dont have time to flash. The rules are the rules abie by them.
Bottom line, dont make more work for the cooks, who spend hours and hours cooking for free just because you dont want to search.
[b]DISAGREE[/b]
Look at my SIG, especially the WHY ..
If you don't get the spirit, go somewhere else where people are willing to spoonfeed you. This is a developer site, not user site.
I'm not a developer, so what I can contribute is only bug reporting and testing .. and if you're not, have some respect to them, help them by doing more research. 99% of what you're looking for is there.
Chefs that would like to have their own subforum can just have another forum with a link on his topic.
This is exactly what Phoenix Dev Team does...
XDA-Devs board is a like friendly jungle. Just take your time to learn how to navigate through it, this is not that hard.
Flashing and upgrading regularly ROMs and softwares means you do have time for this. So one shall learn to have time to search. Anyway, by reading throught posts, one gets a much better control over his phone as you have more knowledge about this or that, not only a superficial approach, which will undeniably lead to a new thread: I don't get it, it's broken or similar .
Only my 2ct-philosophy...
I know I know...... Well I just rooted using Revolutionary and during the process I was following I noticed that it never let me say yes to clockwork recovery. I have root access I did check that. Now I downloaded the Rom manager and it says I need to flash the clockwork to flash a rom. Should I flash it there or unroot with Revolutionary and try rooting again?
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hello and welcome. i would engage you in a different language, but considering you typed in english, i will stick with english. moving a long... we are a very family oriented community and greatly enjoy helping new comers find their way around and answer questions they may have. you are more then welcome to ask a question whenever you like and even if it's something that may seem silly... don't worry, it is always our pleasure to help.
now, to get right to it. you asked about the installation of clockworkmod recovery. excellent! to answer your question, you can indeed install it through rom manager. you will find rom manager to be most helpful to you. a top choice application! so that being said, it is not necessary to repeat your previous steps.
I hope you found this response enlightening and of course, helpful as I like to say. feel free to ask a question again(soon!)
regards,
voxigenboy
voxigenboy said:
hello and welcome. i would engage you in a different language, but considering you typed in english, i will stick with english. moving a long... we are a very family oriented community and greatly enjoy helping new comers find their way around and answer questions they may have. you are more then welcome to ask a question whenever you like and even if it's something that may seem silly... don't worry, it is always our pleasure to help.
now, to get right to it. you asked about the installation of clockworkmod recovery. excellent! to answer your question, you can indeed install it through rom manager. you will find rom manager to be most helpful to you. a top choice application! so that being said, it is not necessary to repeat your previous steps.
I hope you found this response enlightening and of course, helpful as I like to say. feel free to ask a question again(soon!)
regards,
voxigenboy
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Your laying on the scarasm pretty thick, LOL. You can flash a custom CWM in hboot, Google is your friend it is also in development section. If you didn't do about a week of reading and research before you did this better catch on on reading now we like to answer harder questions not the same just rooted ones each day. Ones that can be searched for. I just rooted Droid inc and Droid inc 2 in last two days and both require different older methods with downgrades before root and s-off and I didnt ask for any help. Hell the ADB method for thunderbolt needed a downgrade and upgrade....Search, read, read, and read again before you do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179386
There is thread for CWM to flash in hboot.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
To put it simply... Yes just flash it through rom manager. It will ask for suoeruser access rights. Just hit allow and then let it do its thing.
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Your laying on the scarasm pretty thick, LOL. You can flash a custom CWM in hboot, Google is your friend it is also in development section. If you didn't do about a week of reading and research before you did this better catch on on reading now we like to answer harder questions not the same just rooted ones each day. Ones that can be searched for. I just rooted Droid inc and Droid inc 2 in last two days and both require different older methods with downgrades before root and s-off and I didnt ask for any help. Hell the ADB method for thunderbolt needed a downgrade and upgrade....Search, read, read, and read again before you do.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
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In regards to this post - there are others of us here that actually do like helping out new people. I for one don't care how many time "the new guy" asks the same old question. The reason I feel that way is bc I also have questions that need answering.
So try not to be discouraged by the way some people respond to you. It can be disheartening - but there are some great and helpful people on XDA.
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In regards to this post - there are others of us here that actually do like helping out new people. I for one don't care how many time "the new guy" asks the same old question. The reason I feel that way is bc I also have questions that need answering.
So try not to be discouraged by the way some people respond to you. It can be disheartening - but there are some great and helpful people on XDA.
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Oh trust me I still run into my brick walls around here, but to answer the same I got this phone how do I root it, everyday would be like writing up a nice q&a for new people to follow. Wait there is one and no one follows it. I will leave those questions up to you, and i did help him by showing him how to flash recovery in hboot which is way more educational than using Rom manager. I was new here too not long ago less than a few months but you have to read, jump in, I read for a month about rooting, radios, flashing, what could happen before I rooted....people who just root and come expecting someone to show them how to do everything.....yea you can keep that.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
Thanks for all your information no matter how many times you guys have to answer them. I have read up on rooting long before I did root. I was one of those people that waited patiently for HTC or Big Red to improve these devices. To my misery and 3 phones latter I decided to root. Now for my next question if you guys don't mind..... Lol. Once I flash a rom from rom manager or from a downloaded, is it just that simple to flash another rom or are there certain steps? One more.... How do I go back to my original setup if I wanted to? Again thank you for all of your help.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220484
Read up there start from 1 and read till end that will answer all basic questions.
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The RULES state you search before posting a repetitive thread. It wastes space and makes searching for an answer more of a pain in the ass. That said, I'm going to point that out to every new guy and kindly ask laziness be checked at the sign-in.
Keep the simple questions coming
The thread police are out in full force again. Keeping asking questions. Keep posting new threads if you have to. These ball breaking jaggs are just as guilty but feel like they are of some significant importance here because in real life they are invisible to the world. It's pretty sad when you think about it.
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The thread police are out in full force again. Keeping asking questions. Keep posting new threads if you have to. These ball breaking jaggs are just as guilty but feel like they are of some significant importance here because in real life they are invisible to the world. It's pretty sad when you think about it.
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No its people like you that clutter the thread, I answered or pointed him in the right direction both of my post. You have nothing to offer in this thread stay off of it. Why not offer him some advice instead of just saying keep asking. You my fellow rooter my be just as invisible online as well as real life, so sad.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
Said the person who has to beg to be thanked to make himself feel important. LMAO
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Said the person who has to beg to be thanked to make himself feel important. LMAO
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I don't beg for anything, its part of my signiture, it a reminder that while people always say thanks for the help more than 50% of the time never hit the thank you button. Once again another person saying something in a forum having nothing at all to do with the subject, I guess that is how you feel important agreeing with another newbie.
Edit: nvm I just read some of your past post, now that made me laugh you never helped anyone. Your post are made up of one liners and "why did you".....followed by something not helpful to OP or thread. Thanks for the laugh.
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The thread police are out in full force again. Keeping asking questions. Keep posting new threads if you have to. These ball breaking jaggs are just as guilty but feel like they are of some significant importance here because in real life they are invisible to the world. It's pretty sad when you think about it.
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Do me a favor and read every one of my posts. It's not exactly a procession of mindless, impulsive questions that are repeats of something posted 25 times before. In fact, the posts that are repetitive are the posts that answer the SAME questions over and over again! I think we're all entitled to point out stupid and lazy when we see it, as well as the FACT searching the threads before posting is a RULE (not optional). When you're too stupid or too lazy or too self-important to follow rules, expect the rudeness you get. My thread is the PERFECT place for "stupid" questions and it's monitored by myself and a few others quite regularly. If you post a question there, it gets answered FAST and politely. I'm not doing this as a favor to myself. I'm doing it as a favor to the community. Maybe you should try contributing something more than encouragement of stupid.
However you feel justifying berating someone from the comfort and security behind your keyboard. The rules also say to respect other members of the community but you ignore the rules that you don't feel apply to you. Your hypocritical behavior is hilarious. You could easily answer (or not answer) a question that you feel is redundant without hammering the crap out of someone who is most likely new and not try and make them feel like an idiot for asking.
You can hammer away at me all you want because I know the source of the comments are from a person who is of no significance to me. But there are other new members of the forums who might feel slighted by your behavior and not feel comfortable interacting on the forums after they have been slammed by a self righteous jerk who has to build himself up in his alternative virtual world because the real world is too real for him.
I'm sure you will have an idiotic response to this because you can't go on without having the last word and can't just let it go. Regardless, after the response I'm sure you will have, I will not respond to show that a person can move on and not have to continue to respond to the idiotic rants of a self absorbed person living behind a keyboard just so they can have the last word.
I encourage all new persons to the forum to feel free to continue to ask questions and participate while ignoring those that feel they have to make you feel dumb.
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However you feel justifying berating someone from the comfort and security behind your keyboard. The rules also say to respect other members of the community but you ignore the rules that you don't feel apply to you. Your hypocritical behavior is hilarious. You could easily answer (or not answer) a question that you feel is redundant without hammering the crap out of someone who is most likely new and not try and make them feel like an idiot for asking.
You can hammer away at me all you want because I know the source of the comments are from a person who is of no significance to me. But there are other new members of the forums who might feel slighted by your behavior and not feel comfortable interacting on the forums after they have been slammed by a self righteous jerk who has to build himself up in his alternative virtual world because the real world is too real for him.
I'm sure you will have an idiotic response to this because you can't go on without having the last word and can't just let it go. Regardless, after the response I'm sure you will have, I will not respond to show that a person can move on and not have to continue to respond to the idiotic rants of a self absorbed person living behind a keyboard just so they can have the last word.
I encourage all new persons to the forum to feel free to continue to ask questions and participate while ignoring those that feel they have to make you feel dumb.
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What I don't understand is people like you encourage new people to break the rules, clutter the threads or start unnecessary ones while you yourself do not bother to try to help these people either. Look at my posts and tell me I don't try to help people with REAL problems I have not seen posted.....please point out I am being a jerk to every new person that comes on. Read up and you need to step up to help these new people questions don't leave it up to everyone else to answer if you are telling them to keep asking the same questions over and over.
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Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
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As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change
I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.
Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get
Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly
Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
@4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.
Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.
I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
goodgood hahahahhahah
stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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goodgood verygood
friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????