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Running XDA Orbit 2 with Core Player - it's so unbelievebal that this new device...

...is SLOWER than my 2 Years old Dell Axim!
I've been running my Update for CorePlayer to V1.2.2 without any problems. But - i've running the YouTube Function, connecting over WLAN 54 MBits to the YouTube Empire...
There i'll be searching for some videos, thinking that anything has chanced with this new version - tapped on a video - waiting - watching about five seconds - and? NOTHING! Its like before, laggy, struggleing and unwatchable...
why this damn devices is not optimized? why is this expensive thing hardware not able to do, what a two or three year old pocket pc is running without any problems? why we must hack this device to get a piece of performance?
This device is the best, the nicest and the fully featured piece of hardware that i've ever had. i've been a pda junkie since the beginning of this with the crappy WIN CE2.1.
Since Win CE is mutch time gone and the devices gone faster and faster. The good old casio em500 running a 150 MHz MIPS CPU was fast - the well known iPAQ3660 was faster and much better in playing videos or something. Every change of hardware was a change that was useful. After that a MDA2 with a 400 MHz x-scale cpu was mine and it was faster than everything before. MDA Compact was faster, The Dell AXIM Series was fast like a rocket - but then XDA Orbit brakes me like a train crashing in a wall of steel. I thought i've been running this device with a handbrake or something.
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!

1. The youtube function is still new to the CorePlayer (I mean the direct youtube support whith available configuration)
2. The lag is mostly because of a small buffer and/or a crappy net connection
3. Unless CorePlayer doesn't suck whith normal (320x240 24~25 FPS) videos, don't complain.
Yes, we know that the drivers are missing, that's nothing new. If you wan't to know the cause check my signature. We heard enough people complaining, and most of us tried to do something instead of (in this case very detailed) whining.
If you knew what to expect, then don't complain, it you didn't... maybe next time you'll check forums/reviews/youtube for more info before buying.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/con...ikation/2008/april/quake_3_ipod_touch_iphone/
Apple iPhone running Quake 3 smooth like a piece of butter in the sun...

as far as i know iphone got a 600Mhz arm cpu
and a whole different os structure so you cant
really mix it into a compare of polaris and an older dell pda

OpenGL32 said:
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!
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We feel your pain buddy...
Or should I say, we felt your pain. We've got past that stage already, and have kind of accepted this crappy fact of life - that we've been bent over with a smile. I personally chose this device because there is nothing else to choose from!
On the other hand, HTC makes me really want to get an iPhone, even with its lack of any modern features - it is a device that just works (well, after you've jail-broke it).

OpenGL32 said:
...is SLOWER than my 2 Years old Dell Axim!
I've been running my Update for CorePlayer to V1.2.2 without any problems. But - i've running the YouTube Function, connecting over WLAN 54 MBits to the YouTube Empire...
There i'll be searching for some videos, thinking that anything has chanced with this new version - tapped on a video - waiting - watching about five seconds - and? NOTHING! Its like before, laggy, struggleing and unwatchable...
why this damn devices is not optimized? why is this expensive thing hardware not able to do, what a two or three year old pocket pc is running without any problems? why we must hack this device to get a piece of performance?
This device is the best, the nicest and the fully featured piece of hardware that i've ever had. i've been a pda junkie since the beginning of this with the crappy WIN CE2.1.
Since Win CE is mutch time gone and the devices gone faster and faster. The good old casio em500 running a 150 MHz MIPS CPU was fast - the well known iPAQ3660 was faster and much better in playing videos or something. Every change of hardware was a change that was useful. After that a MDA2 with a 400 MHz x-scale cpu was mine and it was faster than everything before. MDA Compact was faster, The Dell AXIM Series was fast like a rocket - but then XDA Orbit brakes me like a train crashing in a wall of steel. I thought i've been running this device with a handbrake or something.
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!
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I wonder why your facing this problem?!?! CorePlayer 1.2.2 gives smooth flawless video, I've tested in on every video format commonly used.
Have you installed it on your Storage card or Device memory?

Just out of curiosity, will it make any difference?
I have it installed on the device itself, will it get a boost if i install it on the memory card?

Kimma said:
Just out of curiosity, will it make any difference?
I have it installed on the device itself, will it get a boost if i install it on the memory card?
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Yes, the app performs faster if installed on the Device memory, hence the improved video speeds.

Jibreil said:
Yes, the app performs faster if installed on the Device memory, hence the improved video speeds.
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That was a kinda unclear response, i asked if i'll get a boost if i'll get a boost if i install on the MicroSD Memory card, and you reply with yes, you will get a boost from the Device Memory.
But i'm guessing i've done the right thing (installing it on the Built In memory)

Better to install on the device memory. As a rule of thumb install apps on device memory, especially if you have performance or incompatibility issues.
As for Coreplayer, I am using 1.2 with QTv. While it is a lot better with QTv and benchmark numbers are great, it's still not that fluid. When panning in scenes or fast motion, it's still not very smooth. When I check properties I might have 1 dropped frame out of several thousand so I know it's not dropped frames. I have encoded my movie (source is my DVD) at 320x240. It's at 24 fps. I can always try encoding at 30fps and see if that fixes it. But I don't believe fps to be the issue since playing the 24fps movie on my computer is smooth. Any ideas?

very poor Internal flash memory performance on new HTC devices

it is very surprising that file transfer performance hasnt improved a bit in the last years. i mean it takes my xperia the same time to install a cab or to launch the same app from my 6-year-old Magican
is there something that is preventing HTC from using these crazy SLC-based 100+MB/sec flash chips found in new SSD drives. really appriciate any insite on this

fatso485 said:
it is very surprising that file transfer performance hasnt improved a bit in the last years. i mean it takes my xperia the same time to install a cab or to launch an app from my 6-year-old Magican
is there something that is preventing HTC from using these crazy SLC-based 100+MB/sec flash chips found in new SSD drives. really appriciate any insite on this
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Those chips aren't really that fast, they are just being run massively parallel in raid like arrays. Even still though, a setup as fast as what they use in compact flash cards would be nice.

- there are some major improvments in flash performance just take any normal flash drive (no RAID-like voodoo going on here) these days and compare it to the ones you used to have 3-4 years ago. the difference is MASSIVE even on low 1GB flash drives.
-what's wrong with running parallel flash chips in a raid-like fashion on a mobile device. it seems like one way to gain massive performance increases only

fatso485 said:
it is very surprising that file transfer performance hasnt improved a bit in the last years. i mean it takes my xperia the same time to install a cab or to launch the same app from my 6-year-old Magican
is there something that is preventing HTC from using these crazy SLC-based 100+MB/sec flash chips found in new SSD drives. really appriciate any insite on this
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I really don't think it is the chips, it is the CRAPPY Qualcomm processors HTC uses for our expensive phones.

With the size of the chips, the price, the controller, etc... would get sort of expensive. For example, an Intel SSD looks like this. http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/12/02/inside_an_ssd.jpg and costs a fortune. Their controller is the only one sofar that doesn't suck horribly at small file writes.
Look at this little glimmer of hope though
http://www.pretec.com/epages/Store....re.Pretec/Products/"news-March 03, 2009.no.2"
Too bad the a phone would probably make horrible use of it. My class 6 card might as well be a class 1 for how well my phone makes use of it.

oic0 said:
Look at this little glimmer of hope though
http://www.pretec.com/epages/Store....re.Pretec/Products/"news-March 03, 2009.no.2"
Too bad the a phone would probably make horrible use of it. My class 6 card might as well be a class 1 for how well my phone makes use of it.
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thats exatly my point. why are $800+ 2009 devices perform identically (internal flash memory) to 2003 devices. people seem to only care about obvious things like CPU speed when hey talk about performance.

Downclock the snapdragon with a soft

Hi everyone, i want to kwon if hd2 have a software like nuedynamiqueclock, to manage the frequency of the snapdragon.
Pleaz developers if this soft don't exist can you think you can creat one like this, i will give some donation for a soft who can do that...thanks

Hasnt this already been discussed that the snap dragon already varies its clock speed.

when i do a search the only post who talk about a soft who down clock the snap dragon is mine...But if you have an other post give me the link please....thanks

I can't find it either but I definitely remember someone asking that question and someone saying that the snapdragon clock speed varies itself hence its low power consumption.

Yeah this has definatley been talked about before, The TG01 has a soft key to change the CPU speed for battery consuption, A bit like the WIFI setting on all HTC devices.
Don't really see the point in reducing it down though, will only give you like an extra hour of battery life and sense wil probably become unsuable never mind having multiple programs open.....

its very good question, i hope we will find it

It's discussed a little in kholks ROM thread...the Snapdragon will automatically downclock itself when it's not being used...there's no need for other software to do it.

ok it can do it itself but i think with a soft we can downclock it a lot...As far i can remember with my hd on hibernate mode and with 196mhz i can(i know it not the correct word but my english is poor) listened music on bluetooth headset i don't think the snapdragon dowgrade itself at this state...So it why i search a soft to optimise a battery life...Sorry for all who think my search it's not important but for me it is...

[Q] Couple noob questions

I'm not necessarily a noob to android. I've flashed a few phones, dabbled with rooting and custom roms, but nothing too serious.
My first question about these Tegra 2 processors is fairly simple. I want to know if overclocking them makes them more media capable? I have a Droid Charge and had a Galaxy S before it, and both phones were perfectly capable of playing a 720p mkv with nary a stutter. It boggles my mind that I have to convert every video file before I drop it onto the Xoom. It's not a huge hassle but it's rather interesting a single core hummingbird can handle it with ease and a dual core clocked at the same speed has so much trouble.
Second question is this. Is there any development going on for the Xoom Family Edition? I haven't noticed much other than news posted regarding this version on this forum, so I'm not sure. It's obviously not the hit they were hoping it would be, there's a whole 3-4 cases made to fit it, and virtually no accessories for it like there is for the Xoom (docks and whatnot). If overclocking helps without nuking battery life, I'd be interested. I wouldn't know where to start developing, I'm definitely not a skilled programmer, but I would be happy to help any way I could (minus a potential brick, I can't afford a new tab)!

Bump. Any opinions?

Regarding the overclocking the tegra 2 , yes it will be more powerful therefore increasing media playback performance. Although battery usually drops faster you can install set CPU to set profiles for when the screen is off etc...
As for the Xoom I myself am not very knowledgeable about that device so I cannot effectivily answer your question.
Hope this helps!
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Remember that the Xoom screen is so much bigger, so takes a lot more juice to playback at same resolution, but overclocked cpu does make a difference for sure. Also, if on ICS, go into developers settings menu and turn off animation or set to .5. Makes a big difference.
The Xoom FE (like the Xoom2 and the Xyboard) don't have unlockable bootloaders and noone yet has found the exploit to gain root access. Hence no development...so far. If you find the way, you will be popular among the owners of those devices.

If you overclock the Xoom it will of course consume the battery faster, as with anything that requires voltage tweaking. The main thing to remember is research the governors that will adjust what clock you're running at and when you're running it. Interactive usually gives the best performance speedwise while Ondemand gives you a mix of performance and battery life.
Your media playback issue could possibly be due to several factors. Processor, RAM, SD read rate, and the media player are the main culprits that come to mind.
If it is the processor then overclocking will most likely help. There is a minor off chance that the Tegra2 does not contain certain instruction sets included on the other devices processor that allow it to decode the Matroskiva, mkv, format as readily.
If it is the RAM, your best bet is to get a task killer and use it to kill everything before you try to play the video. You can also go into settings and go to individual apps to force kill them which tends to work better than most task killers.
If it is the SD card rate, research fairly deeply into the subject because I personally have heard many mixed reviews in regards to the Xoom and higher "class" or access rate SD cards. Eventually I plan on getting a collection of them to run some testing myself for a unified chart, but until then your best bet would be to ask experienced Xoom users, and browse these forums.
If it is the app then try looking around to see what other players are out there. Some people use different decoding codecs than others, and some tend to work better on mobile devices with limited instruction sets.
Mind you, if i remember correctly, the other two devices also display at a lower resolution, which would take less power, and the app used to play the file might not support the larger resolutions as well.
And if you have not already toyed around with your Xoom and hacking it, just as a warning, like all other devices it can be easy to brick. Make sure you have read at least 2 different tutorials on how to do it beforehand as some are much more clearly stated than others.
Hope this helps you some

I hadn't thought about the memory card being the issue. I'm not sure how fast the internal memory card is, but my external is only a class 2, so that could have an effect on load times and everything. I know the RAM isn't really a problem, I don't do much on my tablet, and I've tried killing apps and fresh boots and nothing seems to work. It only seems to use about 450mb out of 1024mb for apps, and out of that only 124 was in use last time I checked.
I have tried many other media players though, including Dice Player which seems to be unanimously the best, and nothing I've tried is able to play an mkv on the Xoom. I typically try downloaded tv shows before movies, which include 500mb Big Bang Theory mkv files and 1gb Top Gear mkv files at 720p. Neither play at all in the stock player and play very badly in Dice or other players.
I can't wait until ICS on the Xoom FE, I'm betting it fixes a lot of my issues. Such as the browser constantly force closing and my wifi slowing down the longer the tablet is on.

NAND Replacement for the TF700

This was a PM for @timduru but it wouldn't send.. So here it is for anyone and everyone that can help.
I'm thinking of replacing the nand on the tf700.. Can you help me source the right pin compatible chip? .. I don't have big plans for the tab, I only use it to read books and watch movies.. But the lag bugs me and I want to attempt the chip replacement job. I'm totally clueless as to the fastest chip that could be supported with the right pin configuration.
But I'm hopeful i could drop something beastly and perhaps give it a ram upgrade if the RAM is a separate and easily source-able chip.
I believe the fastboot mode along with the saved "wheeler" blobs will enable me write firmware and start the tablet with the blank new chip.
If I'm successful, i could do the same for other members who want to keep the development of the tab going(with them sharing the risk of failure/I'm not an idiot, but a botched solder job is possible) .. So that we can have one last stable ROM until the eventual death of the tab.
Thank you,

Please keep us updated on what you find out. I am still addicted to this tablet and use both the 700 and the 201 (for different functions of course!) I would also be curious about battery options out there..

Chip Replacement for the TF700
I'm thinking of replacing the nand on the tf700.. Can you help me source the right pin compatible chip? .. I don't have big plans for the tab, I only use it to read books and watch movies.. But the lag bugs me and I want to attempt the chip replacement job. I'm totally clueless as to the fastest chip that could be supported with the right pin configuration.
But I'm hopeful i could drop something beastly and perhaps give it a ram upgrade if the RAM is a separate and easily source-able chip.
I believe the fastboot mode along with the saved "wheeler" blobs will enable me write firmware and start the tablet with the blank new chip.
If I'm successful, i could do the same for other members who want to keep the development of the tab going(with them sharing the risk of failure/I'm not an idiot, but a botched solder job is possible) .. So that we can have one last stable ROM until the eventual death of the tab.
Thank you,[/QUOTE]
Hi,
once I started going about it as well and found Elpida EDJ4216EFBG in our unit to seem very similar to the Samsung K4B2G1646C ddr3 chip.
Pinout seems very close except for T7 which is not connected in elpida but its an address pin A14 in samsung I do not know the implications had these chips to be interchanged. Also the ram in my unit is a hynix. Good Luck.

evimarn said:
Hi,
once I started going about it as well and found Elpida EDJ4216EFBG in our unit to seem very similar to the Samsung K4B2G1646C ddr3 chip.
Pinout seems very close except for T7 which is not connected in elpida but its an address pin A14 in samsung I do not know the implications had these chips to be interchanged. Also the ram in my unit is a hynix. Good Luck.
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I'll look into the ram when I get the chance.. I was hoping that the pinouts are standard.. I don't think that data lines are redundant in general.. We'll have to ask around or try it for ourselves.
You don't happen to already know any super fast NAND chips with the same pinouts or even the mmc versions supported by the tegra?
Can you PM me the datasheets?

If you manage to pull this off, you will all be my heroes.

PortableTech said:
If you manage to pull this off, you will all be my heroes.
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I'm a dentist.. I'm looking for someone to do the heavy technical work because searching for these things even with my knowledge is hard.. I'm sure there are ways for design that are learned in engineering school or on the job that I'm not ever going to learn...
The work with steady hands can be left to me.. I already have a few super hard reballing feats under my belt.
I'm really puzzled as how to approach this..
I will go through my library and find you the NAND datasheet as I've downloaded it years ago.
I guess i will start at digi-key and mouser and see what happens.
Wish me luck.

AbdouRetro said:
I'll look into the ram when I get the chance.. I was hoping that the pinouts are standard.. I don't think that data lines are redundant in general.. We'll have to ask around or try it for ourselves.
You don't happen to already know any super fast NAND chips with the same pinouts or even the mmc versions supported by the tegra?
Can you PM me the datasheets?
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Basically if memory serves me right the samsung are the best bet.