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...is SLOWER than my 2 Years old Dell Axim!
I've been running my Update for CorePlayer to V1.2.2 without any problems. But - i've running the YouTube Function, connecting over WLAN 54 MBits to the YouTube Empire...
There i'll be searching for some videos, thinking that anything has chanced with this new version - tapped on a video - waiting - watching about five seconds - and? NOTHING! Its like before, laggy, struggleing and unwatchable...
why this damn devices is not optimized? why is this expensive thing hardware not able to do, what a two or three year old pocket pc is running without any problems? why we must hack this device to get a piece of performance?
This device is the best, the nicest and the fully featured piece of hardware that i've ever had. i've been a pda junkie since the beginning of this with the crappy WIN CE2.1.
Since Win CE is mutch time gone and the devices gone faster and faster. The good old casio em500 running a 150 MHz MIPS CPU was fast - the well known iPAQ3660 was faster and much better in playing videos or something. Every change of hardware was a change that was useful. After that a MDA2 with a 400 MHz x-scale cpu was mine and it was faster than everything before. MDA Compact was faster, The Dell AXIM Series was fast like a rocket - but then XDA Orbit brakes me like a train crashing in a wall of steel. I thought i've been running this device with a handbrake or something.
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!
1. The youtube function is still new to the CorePlayer (I mean the direct youtube support whith available configuration)
2. The lag is mostly because of a small buffer and/or a crappy net connection
3. Unless CorePlayer doesn't suck whith normal (320x240 24~25 FPS) videos, don't complain.
Yes, we know that the drivers are missing, that's nothing new. If you wan't to know the cause check my signature. We heard enough people complaining, and most of us tried to do something instead of (in this case very detailed) whining.
If you knew what to expect, then don't complain, it you didn't... maybe next time you'll check forums/reviews/youtube for more info before buying.
http://www.computerbase.de/news/con...ikation/2008/april/quake_3_ipod_touch_iphone/
Apple iPhone running Quake 3 smooth like a piece of butter in the sun...
as far as i know iphone got a 600Mhz arm cpu
and a whole different os structure so you cant
really mix it into a compare of polaris and an older dell pda
OpenGL32 said:
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!
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We feel your pain buddy...
Or should I say, we felt your pain. We've got past that stage already, and have kind of accepted this crappy fact of life - that we've been bent over with a smile. I personally chose this device because there is nothing else to choose from!
On the other hand, HTC makes me really want to get an iPhone, even with its lack of any modern features - it is a device that just works (well, after you've jail-broke it).
OpenGL32 said:
...is SLOWER than my 2 Years old Dell Axim!
I've been running my Update for CorePlayer to V1.2.2 without any problems. But - i've running the YouTube Function, connecting over WLAN 54 MBits to the YouTube Empire...
There i'll be searching for some videos, thinking that anything has chanced with this new version - tapped on a video - waiting - watching about five seconds - and? NOTHING! Its like before, laggy, struggleing and unwatchable...
why this damn devices is not optimized? why is this expensive thing hardware not able to do, what a two or three year old pocket pc is running without any problems? why we must hack this device to get a piece of performance?
This device is the best, the nicest and the fully featured piece of hardware that i've ever had. i've been a pda junkie since the beginning of this with the crappy WIN CE2.1.
Since Win CE is mutch time gone and the devices gone faster and faster. The good old casio em500 running a 150 MHz MIPS CPU was fast - the well known iPAQ3660 was faster and much better in playing videos or something. Every change of hardware was a change that was useful. After that a MDA2 with a 400 MHz x-scale cpu was mine and it was faster than everything before. MDA Compact was faster, The Dell AXIM Series was fast like a rocket - but then XDA Orbit brakes me like a train crashing in a wall of steel. I thought i've been running this device with a handbrake or something.
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!
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I wonder why your facing this problem?!?! CorePlayer 1.2.2 gives smooth flawless video, I've tested in on every video format commonly used.
Have you installed it on your Storage card or Device memory?
Just out of curiosity, will it make any difference?
I have it installed on the device itself, will it get a boost if i install it on the memory card?
Kimma said:
Just out of curiosity, will it make any difference?
I have it installed on the device itself, will it get a boost if i install it on the memory card?
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Yes, the app performs faster if installed on the Device memory, hence the improved video speeds.
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Yes, the app performs faster if installed on the Device memory, hence the improved video speeds.
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That was a kinda unclear response, i asked if i'll get a boost if i'll get a boost if i install on the MicroSD Memory card, and you reply with yes, you will get a boost from the Device Memory.
But i'm guessing i've done the right thing (installing it on the Built In memory)
Better to install on the device memory. As a rule of thumb install apps on device memory, especially if you have performance or incompatibility issues.
As for Coreplayer, I am using 1.2 with QTv. While it is a lot better with QTv and benchmark numbers are great, it's still not that fluid. When panning in scenes or fast motion, it's still not very smooth. When I check properties I might have 1 dropped frame out of several thousand so I know it's not dropped frames. I have encoded my movie (source is my DVD) at 320x240. It's at 24 fps. I can always try encoding at 30fps and see if that fixes it. But I don't believe fps to be the issue since playing the 24fps movie on my computer is smooth. Any ideas?
I've been plugging away for the last several weeks trying to decide if CompCache is making my phone faster or slower. I've always been happy with the pure Linux swap, but everyone seems to be on the CompCache bandwagon.
I have installed compcache many times, with all different sorts of settings. No matter what, it always seems to make my phone slower. I had to prove it. However, subjective statements of opinion are not going to carry any validity in this forum. So this is what I did:
Round 1 CompCache vs. Stock
First, I installed a fresh copy of CM 3.6.7 on both of my G1's. On the black one, I installed CompCache 0.6 via userinit. It also had a Backing Swap (not linux as the video states!) of 32mb. Swappiness was set at 20. NO OTHER SETTINGS WERE TWEAKED.
On the other phone was a pure installation of CM 3.9.7. For the stress test, I alternated between a pre-loaded webpage(Valdosta.edu, which is graphics heavy but also has a very high speed connection) and SHERPA.
I Chose Sherpa because it tends to cause the browser to reload by pushing it out of memory or cache.
I filmed the whole thing and you can view it here.
I know the filming kind of sucks, but bear with me. In short, THE PHONE WITHOUT COMPCACHE WAS NOT ONLY FASTER, BUT WENT LONGER WITHOUT NEEDING A RELOAD.
Round 2 Stock G1 vs Linux swap enabled
For the next test, I used the same two phones and ROMs. On the Black phone, ONLY THE LINUX SWAP WAS ENABLED. On the white phone, I had no additional caching (stock CM).
You can watch this video here. IN short, THE LINUX SWAP ENABLED PHONE WAS FASTER THAN STOCK CM 3.9.7
This video is 7 minutes (AND yes I was smoking a cigarette) but I actually show proof that one phone is stock and one has only Linux swap by showing the ADB output of userinit(something I forgot to do with the first video).
Watch these videos and you cannot help but wonder if Compcache is slowing our phones down. Having two phones, I have tried many many times, and Compcache always makes the phone slower.
So to sum it up, a purely stock phone was faster and required less reloading than one with CompCache. However, a phone with Linux swap was faster than stock....so Linux>Stock>Compcache
In fact, for two days I carried around both phones. Whatever I did to one, I did to the other. The compcache enabled phone was ALWAYS sluggish compared to the Linux swap phone. I mean it would be fast at first,but always returned to being sluggish.
I submit that these videos don't PROVE anything. They just bring the question to light so that smarter people can actually figure out why Compcache is bogging our systems. And for those that say their unit flies with Compcache, I say you should try it with only the Linux swap.
I tend to agree...all things being equal, compcache w/ backing swap performs worse in the long run than does just a linux swap partition.
my anecdotal experiences, of course.
& that's not to say that some compcache / sysctl config out there won't make it outperform the run of the mill swap partition
nice to see some real experimentation on this issue
Thanks. I wish I had a nicer setup where I could film better.
I really believe that compcache is sucking the life out of our G1s...at least in it's current configuration.
I know there is going to be unbelievers....but that's ok too. To each his own.
i still dont like the implementation of a linux swap partition on the sdcard though. It brings about issues not only with bus bandwidth but also the eventual degradation of the sdcard.
I think a good compromise that frees up the sdcard would be to make a change to the nand partitioning and set up a 24mb partition along with all others to be used for swap. This would mean lessened life on the nand rom instead, but we flash so many roms per week, we're killing the phone already anyway.
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Thanks. I wish I had a nicer setup where I could film better.
I really believe that compcache is sucking the life out of our G1s...at least in it's current configuration.
I know there is going to be unbelievers....but that's ok too. To each his own.
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For memory intensive applications, Compcache is definitely slower than stock, as it requires additional cpu time to decompress the data and compress the data that need to be swap. Plus additional fetch and store time to main memory. This incurs additional bus transactions. The SD as backingswap increase the bus arbitration delay ( you can also say the bus architecture is the bottleneck for G1 with CC in some situations). Overall, slows down the phone. However, for small applications, you may find it faster. so its really depends the how you use the phone.
Can you repeat your experiment with CM-3.9.9.1? There is a new helper patch I added to the kernel which improves the performance of compcache. This is the main reason why I enabled it by default.
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i still dont like the implementation of a linux swap partition on the sdcard though. It brings about issues not only with bus bandwidth but also the eventual degradation of the sdcard.
I think a good compromise that frees up the sdcard would be to make a change to the nand partitioning and set up a 24mb partition along with all others to be used for swap. This would mean lessened life on the nand rom instead, but we flash so many roms per week, we're killing the phone already anyway.
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seems easier/cheaper to burn a $15-$20 sdcard than the non-replaceable(?) nand flash in the $400 phone.
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Can you repeat your experiment with CM-3.9.9.1?
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I seccond that request. 3.9.9.1 is the first build I can really feel compcache making my phone faster linux-swap (same swappiness, i.e. 35 in my case).
Thank you for taking the time to do such a thorough test!
How do you get compcache to work? Do you have to partition your SD card 3 times? 1 for Fat32. 2nd one for apps2sd. and the 3rd for compcache? I'm confused...can anyone help me?
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seems easier/cheaper to burn a $15-$20 sdcard than the non-replaceable(?) nand flash in the $400 phone.
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Huh?
The ram on any electronics is designed for a lot of read/write operations...
Goog1e Phone said:
How do you get compcache to work? Do you have to partition your SD card 3 times? 1 for Fat32. 2nd one for apps2sd. and the 3rd for compcache? I'm confused...can anyone help me?
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Compcache is automatic with CM-3.9.9.1. 2 partitions: FAT32 and EXT2/3/4
I think some of this is dependent on the ROM and how it is written. Also, you probably didn't have Compcache configured optimally. I made very minor changes to the settings and it made a significant difference in performance. Read through the xROM thread if you don't believe me. Moving the Swapiness from 30 to 28 made an improvement. Who would have thought that? If you were at 20, I'm sure you have problems because at 24 it was really slow for me.
Edit: On the ROMs, I did similar testing with xROM and I found that Linux-Swap was much slower all around on that ROM. I didn't try to tune linux swap like I did compcache because it was so bad to start with. I suppose I could do the same thing I did for linux swap to see if I can get an improvement from it. It's possible that Cyan just works better with Linux Swap than xROM does.
I think you should definately retry it like cyanogen said, if not on 3.9.9.1 than on the next stable build, 4.0.
try swapness set to 60 or more when use compcache.
I do think this will help.
I will retest this evening with 3.9.9.1....compCache vs. Swap
stay tuned!
pinetreehater said:
I will retest this evening with 3.9.9.1....compCache vs. Swap
stay tuned!
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Why is a thread on technical issues like lunix swap and compcache suddenly more compelling than a ufc tapout match!?
Excellent experimentation, Pinetreehater! Thanks for doin a pseudo-scientific battery test so we can really try to tweak the settings. I saw that you were using 3.6.7 build, not sure if that was a typo or not??
Anyway you can repeat the test using the new 3.9.9.1 rom, as I have seen significant improvements in memory management for that build in comparison to 3.9.7 and 3.9.8.
Thanks again for your work!
EDIT: Cant wait for the retest results....thanks for taking the time to do this, as the whole community will benefit from your results
I'm starting to hate pine trees too...lots of sap that f&%*s up car paint. Awaiting your future results as I have found similar results as you, but alas, I only have one Dream to test with. Keep up the death matches!
good test well as far as burning out the microsd i doubt i have a phone long enough to burn it out i switch phones like no other, but this is rather interesting...
pinetreehater, great job. As I said a while ago in one of your previous threads, compcache was really sucking for me no matter what the swappiness, and having it disabled entirely seemed to improve the performance of my phone. I'll back you on this, you're not crazy. Anyway, yeah, very interested in your results tonight. Maybe I'll like it this time around.
Lollipop_Lawlipop said:
Huh?
The ram on any electronics is designed for a lot of read/write operations...
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nand is not the same as ram. it's like a sdcard and gets worn out over time just the same.
Hello,
I would like to ask you, the experienced modders and users of xda, what CFW would you recommend me to install in case I'm looking for a long lasting battery and a smooth experience (rather a minimalistic system than a sleek, but laggy one)? I basically only use my PhQ for reading and writing SMS messages and e-mails, for web browsing, for chatting and internet (video)telephony. Occasionally I watch a YT video or use the GPS navigator.
Given the fact, that the phone has only 1 GB RAM and a 1.5 GHz dual-core processor, would you recommend me flashing it with the up-to-date LineageOS 14.1, or shall I stay with the older, but (supposedly more) stable build of CM 11? Or is there a different (slim) CFW, that would provide me high stability, fast response and good battery life?
Thanks.
I'd use newer than CM11 for sure. Lollipop (CM12) uses ART which makes stuff faster, and improved battery usage, so that's the minimum I'd consider.
I dunno exactly which version off the top of my head, but somewhere later than CM11 ZRAM was added, which keeps stuff from swapping to disk as often, so faster. F2FS support was also added, so if you reformat data/cache as f2fs before you install, that'll speed up disk access too.
I personally see no reason not to use the latest since it has all that, and is officially supported, so if you find something wrong there's people to talk to...
Well, maybe it was just my wrong assumption, but I thought I might want to keep using CM11, because I had read and heard, that Android 5.0 and above had higher HW requirements compared to Android 4.4.4, possibly making the phone with such specifications slower. On the other hand, I've read, that the RAM management and power management are both better with newer versions of Android, therefore I decided to post this question here and ask you xda guys (and girls) for your opinions.
You might be right, I'm no expert, and it's been quite a while since I ran kitkat. But lollipop (on our device) seemed faster to me, and battery definitely better. ZRAM also helps our low memory situation run modern apps, my understanding is it basically compresses what's in memory. Kinda like stacker did for hard drives back in the day if you remember the early 90s. So yeah, it slows down memory access all the time. However, the OS has to swap apps you're not actively using to disk when it needs memory for your current app, and in worst case scenario even will swap background apps out of memory that you expect to remain active. So by using zram, you get effectively more ram even tho its slower to access it, but overall makes things faster. And people who've done actual tests can confirm f2fs speeds things up on any device. I only just started using nougat myself so dunno how it affects performance, probably not any better than CM12/CM13 with zram implemented and f2fs format...
I belive KitKat even supports zram, but as far as I know wasn't implemented in CM11 for our device.
Also, dunno if it was in L or M, but you can now utilize external_sd cards easier. Don't have to keep setting paths for camera/etc to use external_sd, it blends it with your internal storage somehow, haven't paid attention to how it works, but haven't had a need to mess with paths ever since, and since we have only 8GB internal, that's also another nice feature; one completely easily fill that up without any photos or even going crazy with apps. Apparently our device will even work with 128G SDcards, although I only have the same 32G I've used forever. So for me on this device, it's CM12 or newer.
Alright, thanks for your advice. I will appreciate any other input and experience, though.
I'm interested what others might say too actually, I wanna know if other people agree or disagree with me! But being this is an older device, not very active community anymore. Only reason I'm on here every day lately is cuz I just updated myself, which had me checking into things, and am now looking for help getting the keyboard working right (in another thread).
I was running CM11 cm-11-20150626-SNAPSHOT-XNG3CAO1L8-moto_msm8960_jbbl.zip
finally decided to try CM12.1 cm-12.1-20151007-SNAPSHOT-YOG4PAO339-xt897.zip
Its smooth so far, but I'd love to try the lastnightyly/snapshot you have from March 2016 @enigma9o7
Is there any noticable power consumption difference between using 4G vs 5G?
Oh yes, nothing's for free.
Depends somewhat on usage.
goldenr said:
Is there any noticable power consumption difference between using 4G vs 5G?
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5G takes more power as it has weak signal and constantly switching between 4G\5G. If your cell tower nearby you good to stay on 5G all the time.
5G for me is just marketing things to sell updated smartphones, 112mbps on 4G LTE is more that enough for everything
That makes sense. Central London is good but where i live there is no 5G. I believe it is at least once in a while trying to look for 5G. And worse if the signal is weak and it keeps switching between 4g and 5g.
I heard that the 5g for s22 is optimised as in its a bit slower but uses less power than previous gen
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That makes sense. Central London is good but where i live there is no 5G. I believe it is at least once in a while trying to look for 5G. And worse if the signal is weak and it keeps switching between 4g and 5g.
I heard that the 5g for s22 is optimised as in its a bit slower but uses less power than previous gen
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The newer flagships are a mess. No SD card slot, spen on left side, but it's not just these obvious blunders.
Variable refresh rate displays consume more power and have looser color calibration than fixed rate. Failure rates are high and more issues.
Android 11 and especially 12 are fubar. CPU cycle sucking scoped storage degrades performance, battery life and user/app functionality. It sucks, literally.
The limited storage means just like Apple even if can find the pricey 500gb, that's it. Peasants are only allotted a certain amount of real storage, go eat cloud. Some shipping out at 128gb are sick jokes. One SD card slot and a $75 V30 512gb Sandisk extreme card use to able fix that.
No power user flagships because peasants can't be power users.
108mp cam hype crap instead of solid tangible cam improvements. Let make it thicker and heavier too. This the same company that made to N10+? How did they learn to fail so quickly? Idiots.
Because of these reasons, and the fact that the Note 10+ is a snappy fast phone that's fun to use, I blew off 3 generations of new flagship phones.
Bought a second new 4G Note 10+ about 5 months ago running on Android 10. The one in my hand is running on Pie. Current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable with minimal maintenance. One battery replacement, display is perfect... it runs, looks and feels like the new one even after heavy usage for 2.5 years.
Usability and functionality are more important than new hardware, technology and firmware. Especially when the newer versions/technologies are poorly implemented or still need more improvement.
Bottom line; forget the endless sales hype and buy what suits your needs best.
Go into the stores and test out the display models
galaxys said:
Go into the stores and test out the display models
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No
Got 2 good runnin' N10+s, a cheap grandfathered unlimited data 4G plan and I just don't care.
Next upgrade is a 1tb V30 SD card.
blackhawk said:
No
Got 2 good runnin' N10+s, a cheap grandfathered unlimited data 4G plan and I just don't care.
Next upgrade is a 1tb V30 SD card.
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We all know you think your Note 10 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's all we ever hear from you. Enjoy 2019, most of us have moved on.
I have found no difference in battery behavior between 4g and 5g in my dual sim device. I only get 4g on one and get 5g on the other. Same (poor) battery life. For me anyway.
True. I'd rather have more slower but more efficient CPU and GPU if it means longer lasting battery. In fact SD gen 1 and Exynos 2200 are less efficient than 2-3 gen old CPUs, which doesn't not make sense to me.
To be fair Samsung has done a good job with thermal management. I like the fact that phone never gets that hot.
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We all know you think your Note 10 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's all we ever hear from you. Enjoy 2019, most of us have moved on.
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He definitely LOVES his N10+ It's starting to get annoying how much hate can one provide without even owning the device
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The newer flagships are a mess. No SD card slot, spen on left side, but it's not just these obvious blunders.
Variable refresh rate displays consume more power and have looser color calibration than fixed rate. Failure rates are high and more issues.
Android 11 and especially 12 are fubar. CPU cycle sucking scoped storage degrades performance, battery life and user/app functionality. It sucks, literally.
The limited storage means just like Apple even if can find the pricey 500gb, that's it. Peasants are only allotted a certain amount of real storage, go eat cloud. Some shipping out at 128gb are sick jokes. One SD card slot and a $75 V30 512gb Sandisk extreme card use to able fix that.
No power user flagships because peasants can't be power users.
108mp cam hype crap instead of solid tangible cam improvements. Let make it thicker and heavier too. This the same company that made to N10+? How did they learn to fail so quickly? Idiots.
Because of these reasons, and the fact that the Note 10+ is a snappy fast phone that's fun to use, I blew off 3 generations of new flagship phones.
Bought a second new 4G Note 10+ about 5 months ago running on Android 10. The one in my hand is running on Pie. Current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable with minimal maintenance. One battery replacement, display is perfect... it runs, looks and feels like the new one even after heavy usage for 2.5 years.
Usability and functionality are more important than new hardware, technology and firmware. Especially when the newer versions/technologies are poorly implemented or still need more improvement.
Bottom line; forget the endless sales hype and buy what suits your needs best.
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i am also having trouble connecting to Smartswitch on PC to create a backup
joancolmenares said:
He definitely LOVES his N10+ It's starting to get annoying how much hate can one provide without even owning the device
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Do what I do and hit the ignore button. Like this... bye
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i am also having trouble connecting to Smartswitch on PC to create a backup
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Never count on SmartSwitch for critical data backup. It may or may not work.
Hand copy/paste, then verify copied files are complete and readable.
Use at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC to redundantly backup all critical data.
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Never count on SmartSwitch for critical data backup. It may or may not work.
Hand copy/paste, then verify copied files are complete and readable.
Use at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC to redundantly backup all critical data.
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Are you saying literally just manually select all and copy onto desktop? If I were to factory reset my phone, if i simply move all the files back to my phone from PC it will "restore" it perfectly?
Everytime I sit the setting to be only 4g , something changes it back to 5g
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Are you saying literally just manually select all and copy onto desktop? If I were to factory reset my phone, if i simply move all the files back to my phone from PC it will "restore" it perfectly?
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I always set up dual drive PCs including the phone if I have an SD card.
In that case I more or less just copy the SD card folder by folder. You may want to a sync folder for large folders like music and photos.
For a single drive backup is similar. Break out/tag folders that need to be backed up.
Keep these well organized.
Vet files before transferring them to the above folders from the Download folder. The Download folder does not get saved; files are either vetted and transferred to their appropriate folder or discarded. The Download folder is a safeguard to help isolate infected files from the database.
You need to work out a system of folder organization for your data. Best if the folders and data on the phone correspond to the ones in use on the PC. You need to put some thought into it
Back up any apps that allow data backup like Poweramp, contacts, bookmarks, etc. These must be backed up on SD card (if present) and the backup hdds, etc or they will be lost with a crash. Make sure all passwords are somehow backed up.
Hi guys.
It's been approximately 6 years since i bought this old beast. this is the first phone in my life that didn't torture me with freezes or lags after using it for some time thanks to its powerful hardware.
but now this beast is not agile like how it used to be, sometimes it freezes and does things with too much latency, as far as i remember, there were about 2 or 3 times that my phone froze too hard that i needed to do force shut down and almost all of them happened not more than 2 years ago. when i bought my PC 2 years ago, i started flashing different custom and official roms so many times now my phone runs LineageOS 18.1 currently.
I'm curious to know what caused my phone to slow down.
since i flash my phone sometimes and do full wipe each time before doing it, i think the problem is not software-related.
I've did some searches in google and found out that it can't be the CPU and it seems true because sometimes i'm playing some music while browsing in chrome and switching between apps, the phone lags even freezes but the music keeps playing without any stutter. I've read that memory chips can get worn over time so i'm guessing the problem is caused by one or both of these two:
1.eMMC chip
2.RAM chip
what is your comment? are these two the source of the problem? can the eMMC chip get replaced in this phone?
Have you updated or upgraded it, you know the destroyer of worlds stuff?
Phones don't slow down for no reason.
If nothing else changed and it's running atypically after a factory reset, the firmware may have been corrupted, reflash same version.
Pre Pie OS's are suspectable to that nasty class of rootkits that can worm out of the user partition. Again reflash it.
Battery, when was it last replaced? If the battery can't sink peak current demands it will cause all manner of trouble. Replace every 1 to 2 years on a heavily used device, routine maintenance.
It's possible there's been a subtle hardware failure maybe the ram or a microscopic transistor or two in the chipset. Cracked solder joint; BGA chipsets are especially vulnerable to this. A ribbon connector connection is intermittent.
TheShadowOfAGhost20 said:
Hi guys.
It's been approximately 6 years since i bought this old beast. this is the first phone in my life that didn't torture me with freezes or lags after using it for some time thanks to its powerful hardware.
but now this beast is not agile like how it used to be, sometimes it freezes and does things with too much latency, as far as i remember, there were about 2 or 3 times that my phone froze too hard that i needed to do force shut down and almost all of them happened not more than 2 years ago. when i bought my PC 2 years ago, i started flashing different custom and official roms so many times now my phone runs LineageOS 18.1 currently.
I'm curious to know what caused my phone to slow down.
since i flash my phone sometimes and do full wipe each time before doing it, i think the problem is not software-related.
I've did some searches in google and found out that it can't be the CPU and it seems true because sometimes i'm playing some music while browsing in chrome and switching between apps, the phone lags even freezes but the music keeps playing without any stutter. I've read that memory chips can get worn over time so i'm guessing the problem is caused by one or both of these two:
1.eMMC chip
2.RAM chip
what is your comment? are these two the source of the problem? can the eMMC chip get replaced in this phone?
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You should be able to look at the memory each app is using. Chrome is known for being a memory hog. Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
RF Junkey said:
You should be able to look at the memory each app is using. Chrome is known for being a memory hog. Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
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True, limited running apps. Some new phones are shipping now with 6 or 8gb of ram; not enough. 12 or16gb be better.
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Thank you guys for your answers
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you know the destroyer of worlds stuff?
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Haven't understood this, do you mean the bad policies from companies such as slowing down their phones by updates to force users to buy their new phones?
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Battery, when was it last replaced?
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sometime between 1 and 2 years ago. i don't see any problem that relates to battery like random reboots etc. but could they affect performance without random reboots or boot problems?
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It's possible there's been a subtle hardware failure maybe the ram or a microscopic transistor or two in the chipset. Cracked solder joint; BGA chipsets are especially vulnerable to this. A ribbon connector connection is intermittent.
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well, last time i remember i dropped the phone was about 2 years ago. one of the annoying problems of my phone is it's front and back panels start getting detached, i got used to it, there is much dust inside the phone, the camera quality has been reduced because of it.
this phone played a gaming PC's role when i didn't have a PC (sometimes i held my phone in front of my fan to stop CPU throttling because of heat).
i too think there might be possible failures.
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Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
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You're right, but i've experienced problems which were caused by low RAMs. the apps crash when there is no space available in RAM, i had this problem with all other phones. but in this phone i haven't seen such problem(because of RAM) so far even once!
Rule #1, if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be.
Upgrades, destroyer of worlds
Pre Android 9 have some very serious rootkit vulnerabilities. Android 9 is fairly secure and best left be especially on an older phone.
On my N10+'s I don't do upgrades or updates. Running on Android 9 and 10.
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Rule #1, if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be.
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Sometimes i think about it, Android 6 is not that old. apps still support it. but i don't know why the hell i'm attracted to custom ROMs i can't stop thinking about them...
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Upgrades, destroyer of worlds
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hahaha got it. yeah i saw so many bad things by newer Androids. Most important of all of them are ridiculous restrictions.
one of the many reasons i believe in Android and HATE IOS is the freedom of Android but Google is screwing up so bad, making Android as disgusting as IOS.
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Sometimes i think about it, Android 6 is not that old. apps still support it. but i don't know why the hell i'm attracted to custom ROMs i can't stop thinking about them...
hahaha got it. yeah i saw so many bad things by newer Androids. Most important of all of them are ridiculous restrictions.
one of the many reasons i believe in Android and HATE IOS is the freedom of Android but Google is screwing up so bad, making Android as disgusting as IOS.
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Pre Android 9 OS are suspectable to those nasty rootkits that can worm out of the user partition.
A reflash maybe needed to purge it. Security though is largely controlled by the user; no saving dumb bunnies... not even Android 12.
I went from Kitkat to Pie, yeah a little future shock there
Pie runs very well but that's on a N10+ with 12gb of ram. Nominally it uses 5-5.7gb of ram, so on an phone with less ram than that it may impact performance.
Pie has some annoying data app limitations but is reasonably secure, fast, stable and no scoped storage.
I have a second N10+ that's running on Android 10 (it shipped like that) Scoped storage appears to not be fully active. It has close to 100 new Samsung system apps to make it look and function like the Pie load. If that gives you an idea of how badly Google Android is boning developers. Otherwise it's stats are about the same as are appearance and functionality.
Old apps like the 6yo free version of WP Office will run fine in it. However Karma Firewall losses it's valuable logging feature in 10 That seems to be the worst of it.
Android 11 and especially 12 are hogs on the N10+. Scoped storage is fully active along with the endless "do you really want to" permissions.
Might as well have a bloody Apple as use 11 or 12. Functionality and usability take a nose dive along with battery life. Gookill strikes again...
Be warned.
As a result I will remain on Android 9 and 10.
Between Samsung's and Google Android's ball dropping fest I blew off the N20U, S21U and the latest S22U for another N10+, no regrets.
So yeah, you gotta do what works best for you.
I use whatever comes in handy