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How to make Pocket PC 2003 input software work on WM 5? (Celluon Laserkey)

I'm pissed. I ordered the Celluon Laserkey CL800BT as a mobile keyboard. But it appears it still has not had drivers/installation software created for WM 5. Nowhere on the seller's website did it mention this very critical piece of information. The Celluon website utterly fails to even mention the existence of WM 5 as something they either support or don't support, it's like they're stuck in 2003.
So, the question is... Is it possible to get this thing working on WM 5? I'm not sure if the input panel changes from 2003 to 5 are so big that the drivers supplied won't work or if it might be possible to just fiddle with the registry keys enough to get it to use the 2003 drivers. I figured out that certain registry structure changes were made in how the input software gets listed and so I tried to "upgrade" the entry for the Laserkey and that got the "Projection Keyboard" appearing in the list, but when I select it it just switches to the built-in WM keyboard input.
So, please, all you super clever people, help!!!
Quincy

Wow, that's a neat product. Thing is there is no difference in software keyboards between WM 5 and 2003 but what you have is a hardware keyboard that connects via BT.
If the drivers don't work it means they don't support your devices hardware or BT stack.
Unfortunately short of writing new drivers i do not see a solution to this.
I assume you tried installing it using the WM 2003 setup?
If it doesn't work i think you should ask for your money back.

Thanks, yeah, I tried the install for PPC 2003 and that completes, but as I mentioned the "Projection Keyboard" option in the SIP list does NOT appear. So I figured how what registry tweaking would make it appear but selecting it doesn't work. I changed the registry to point to the DLL I presumed should be called (there were only 2 that came with it, and I tried both) but nothing. I assume the SIP hooks into the DLL/etc. have changed from 2003 to 5.
It is an amazing product, if only it worked. Celluon must be in bad shape or something for them not to have current drivers (I contacted their tech support and have not heard back yet...). There are few things more annoying than having in your hands something that is amazingly cool and having absolutely no ability to use it.
I talked to the seller and it looks like they'll take it back, but I'm stunned they wouldn't have a big warning or at least a little warning/mention of the fact that it won't work on the current PPC OS.
So, warning to all, don't buy the Celluon Laserkey if you've got WM 5!
Quincy

One thing I just thought of, probably should have mentioned it before (this is really stupid of me):
Maybe the DLL you are messing with is not a SIP DLL at all? This is a hardware keyboard and it should work no matter what software keyboard is selected.
So try to do a clean installation (so your registry tweaks won't get in the way) and just open Word for example and type.
Also maybe it needs parring or some special BT settings?

Good suggestion, Levenum. I don't know exactly it is supposed to work, but I do know that you use the SIP selector to choose the "Projection Keyboard" and then it takes input from the keyboard. So, I'm pretty sure it really does act as a SIP. I've tried re-installing a few times, along the lines you suggest, having cleared everything out but still no luck.
I guess I'll wait another couple days and ship it back. I've written several times to Celluon but have yet to hear anything.
Quincy

Hmm, if they have written it this way (its possible of course) it would be a very stupid approach.
I had a chance to use a couple of hardware keyboards and they usually work separately from the SIP system be it BT or IR keyboard.
Strange that company creating a product primarily for mobile devices seems to know so little about them.

I too have the same problem with my IPAQ hx2490b running WM5.
I have found this web site which hosts a Celluon Laserkey driver for WM5 which installs OK without any registry changes.
The problem is that when the Projection Keyboard is seleted from the Input list and from the keyboard icon, I get a message to say BTM Cannot get current state. If I exit from the driver screen, I then get an error to say that the serial port is in use by another device which should be stopped before trying to use the Projection Keyboard again.
I have removed all of my other BT pairings, done a hard reset and started from scratch to no avail.
The CL800BT pairs OK until I load the driver. If anyone has any ideas for a workaround or has had success in getting this keyboard to work under WM5 I would be grateful for your advice.
I have emailed Celluon but have had no reply. The UK distributor has been trying to sort this for me for a week with no success.
IPAQ hx2490b
ROM 1.02.h
OS 5.1.1702 (Build 14366.1.0.1)
http://www.plawa.com/support/downloads/drivers/laserkey/

Laserkey and hp2490
Thanks for the info guys I found the web site and installed the 2005 drivers but as I expected I have the same problemb< ihave tried Celluon (waste of time never reply)
Looks like my new toy will have to go back unless anyone finds the answer

sucessfull test
Dear all,
there is a WM5-driver on the plawa page aviable -
and it's working as well on WM6 (testet with Hermes)!
okay, that's not a surprise - but the german shortcuts
are working as well!

can I have a link to the plawa page you refer to? I want to use it on wm6 too.
thanks

What's so great about WM6?

Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma

WM6.0...
The new look and a lot faster device...

Is there any feature that won't be available with WM6, that did work fine in WM5?
Thanks,
vma

Video call isn't working yet.

Rolud said:
The new look and a lot faster device...
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The way I see it, WM6 may or may not work for you and may or may not do it for you. Try it. You can always go back to WM5. Most people don't.....

Well .... the simple answer is that I did a lot of searching and reading, and finally tried it out for myself.
I asked this very question a while ago right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1130569&postcount=88
And came to the follwowing conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1155497&postcount=89
In the conclusion, the thing about the Bluetooth Stack / Voice Command - it was actually Voice Command that was the problem and this issue was fixed in Jrwightmcps' 2.02.00 WWE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297256

Crossbow ONLY!
Tell you the truth... i see the new WM6 is better eye-catching GUI not to mention the enhancement in the functionality and other usability such as email related functions. I know that MS wont just upgrade for no obvious reason nor for desktop OS compatibility.
Yet i reckon i wont -never- go back to magento! Crossbow ONLY!

@nvatvani:
Indeed your posts where the only ones I read, that contained some usefull info about the subject.
No offense to all the other members of course!
I was simply wondering about what to do when my MDA Pro arrives: replace the German firmware with a WWE WM5 one or go straight ahead to WM6 without even looking at WM5.
Also, I had some problems with my Blue Angel, when I tried WM5 on it: it may have been a coincidence, but one day after the upgrade the screen went mad and totally messed up. Only 1 Hardreset in about 100 tries would bring it back to normal for some period of time and even reflashing it with WM5 or 2003SE would not make it work normal again. The screen would get messed up suddenly for no particular reason. At the end I had to send it in for repair, which was actually a good thing, as I complained about the loose stylo and bad working hardkeys, all within warranty. I got a new key-pcb, backside and they reflashed the device with 2003SE. I posted this issue in the BA forum, but got no usefull hint. This means I am a little scared of upgrading to unofficial releases.
Other than that, I have no problems with flashing, as I do that on my other hobby (satellite receivers) frequently, including JTAG-operations for repairing bricked devices. The same applies to games consoles. (Note: I do not sell or benefit commercially from that activity and my goal is not to get illegal software or TV - not that you guy's get the wrong idea about me).
Anyway, thanks for your replies!
Cheers,
vma

What Windows Mobile 5.0 AKU 2.0 has and Windows Mobile 6 (the cooked ones, having tried them all) doesn't have, according to my experiences:
1. Videocalling - at least not a proper one
2. Bluetooth Dial Up Networking (the DUN profile)
3. Wireless Modem (yet some WM6 ROM's have it, although without shortcut in the start menu)
4. Cyberon Voice Dial by default (some WM6 ROM's have it by default, others will need a 500kB CAB to activate it)
The reason why I went back to "good old" WM5 is mainly the reliability. Ok, the OS may be a bit slower here and there, but it has all the functionality (e.g. videocalls and Bluetooth DUN), and NEVER hangs. It just always works and that's what I desperately need right now.
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The things Windows Mobile 6 has for me that 5.0 hasn't which I miss the most:
1. High resolution browsing in the normal Internet Explorer (I don't want to use alternatives)
2. HTML email support
3. The impressive speed of the OS
Applications like WM6's Windows Live and the superb Remote Desktop Client are also available for WM5, so I don't need to miss those, otherwise I sure would, and then I might have sticked with WM6.
The new sounds and GUI are great, but I don't really miss them, since that's not a true functional thing.
Having WM5 up and running again, without freezes and memory leaking and with full HTC Universal functionality, is enough for me to be happy with it and to stick with it. If there ever will be a ROM that actually ADDS Windows Mobile 6 on top of all of this (without a single registry tweak or CAB fix needed), then it's the time for me to upgrade again.
If such a ROM will ever see the daylight, since it won't be officially available for the Universal, I don't know. I think the HTC X7500 (Athena) will be there sooner (April 2007 over here), and that one will have a official WM6 upgrade for sure. That'll be my next one, so until then: WM5 for my Universal!
So far for my opinion.

why do I use WM6
vma said:
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
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To be honest, I used them all and later delteted them after 5 2 hours. They leak a lot, ram is at minimum and useless third party applications, and a lot fo thing sodn't really work or missing (I just want a vanill aone without 3rd party applications).
Except for one rom, Darkforce, it is fast and furious, and so far I have using it for two days; battery usage is good, and no leaks. However, no video calling, and no way to set com ports for bluetooth devices. any1 has this problem?
However, common to all ROMS, no video calling, old calculator, speed dial messed up (some work and some don't), wireless connection bubble missing (yes you can install a cab but I don't want to do that).
<Mind you, contrary to other reports, I never had any freezes with any rom.
The thing that attracts me is HTML in email, High resolution mode in explorer, better remote desktop connectivity.
So I thhink I am sticking with DarkForce ROM, so far so good.
Thx

HTC Touch Pro Issues (updated 23.11)

Hello,
I am a HTC Tornado user and I had in plan to buy TP.. but because of the TP's bugs I'll wait a while.. I really don't understand why HTC don't do more tests before release it?! Many of their issues are corrected by xda-dev community.
I want to gather all the issues in one topic, one post. This post will be edited as new issues/bugs are found. This will be useful for potential buyers - they should know that TP is not perfect. Ok, I will bypass the lack of the softkeys and the camera dedicated button. (you may ask, what's the sense to have softkeys if you can touch the buttons with your finger/stylus... but I will ask you back: what you will do if the application is in fullscreen mode? )
I know there's a topic for Raphel issues but It's hard to follow all the pages.. so here it's an summary. As I said, I want to update the list as more known issues are found. You can contribute with issues so I can update the post (post the way I posted so it will be easy to me to copy /paste..).
We should send this list to htc, maybe they will try to fix these bugs (many of them are software related)
The post will be slitted into two parts. Active problems and solved one.
This is not a complete list
I. CONSTRUCTION ISSUES
D-PAD design: Unresponsive buttons: every now and then the "right" button of the D-Pad does nothing, then suddenly it will start working again, same with the "Back" button though much more infrequent/noticable than the D-Pad issue I've experienced. HINT! -> HERE, or video here
Touch Pro wobbly keyboard issue
II. GENERAL MAJOR ISSUES
Poor GPS (chipset or software implementation?): ~50m+ lag, overheating gps, loose signal
Landscape redraw issue. Videos and more info HERE
poor directdraw, framebuffer/video performance. Just to make an idea: an old device from 2005 with omap 850 200mhz CPU performs better in this area than the touch pro @ qualcomm 528mhz. what a shame. The test were done in this topic (in romanian, sorry). CorePlayer was used for benchmark. I will summarize.
- HTC Tornado overclocked (262Mhz) max performance: 174.22%
- Touch Pro max performance: 172,67%
Both in Raw framebuffer mode. When used QTV it gains only 162,64%. How come?
It's pitty, 262Mhz from OMAP performs better than 528!!!Mhz from Qualcomm?!
The video used for tests is this one. (320x240 @ 25FPS)
Bugs with key mappings (on qwerty keyboard). This means you cannot use the qwerty for playing your favorite emulated & ported games (eg: DOS emulator, Picodrive, SNES, Doom 1, etc etc). WORK-AROUND: here
There's a damn 'break' (for <=1/2sec) at a (random) interval while listeing to music! This issue is also present in Diamond. More info HERE
low speaker/buzzer volume (lower than previous htc phones) WORK-AROUND: here
III. GENERAL MINOR ISSUES
Touch Flo 3D has slowdowns times
FM radio reception is not the best
Camera bug. More details here. Quote: "Camera application is buggy! Slow zoom, touch and focus works only after a dumb picture, after some focuses the auto focus stops to work. I tested it with 3 phones." (nickba)
TouchFlo3D calendar issue
IV. ISOLATED ISSUES (eg: doesn't happen to all, may be software or hardware related, not sure)
Random shutdowns during night or unresponsive device after overnight / long charge
Microphone has delay when answering calls (this seems to be network dependent - orange users seems to have this problem)
Some users claims that TP has bad reception
Broken Screen Issue
Device is hanging with horizontal grey stripes over the screen
V. HARDWARE ISSUES (eg: device/mainboard must be replaced)
Sometimes, when answering a call the phone "mute" itself. So, you wouldn't hear the caller voice. You have to soft reset the device.
Tips
It takes a while to find satellites position (take a fix). One solution is to use the Quick GPS app, but you need an active data connection.
Task Manager / TF3D terminates every running application. (Tip by vicott):
-- Use Advanced Configuration Tool
-- change "File system cache" la 8MB.
-- change "file system filter cache" la 131072.
-- change "Glyph cache" la 32KB.
-- Try to change HKCU > Software > HTC > Task Manager > EnableAutoKill = 0
You may check also "Raphael Tweaks" topic.
Other tweaking tools: Advanced Config Tool, Diamond Config.
Data was collected from different forums / threads. Big thanks to all the contributors.
Finally, too bad that dreams aren't true. TP does not deserve it's price. Don't get me wrong.. it has some really nice features but those bugs takes the device donw!
I really miss the old HTC..
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ISOLATED/DO NOT COUNT:
[*]LED under the "send" key does not work anymore

No offense, but if your going to jump the gun and be an early adopter with a brand new model in the tech realm, you need to expect some growing pains.
Also, most of those problems seem to be independent, and not all showing up on the same device, or many in general for that matter.
I applaud your effort in bringing all these issues to light with HTC, but you should take a more professional approach, because if you throw in a bunch of whining about price etc, your only going to hurt your cause.
Just my .02 cents.

I must agree the handset is over priced. Equal pda only devices are less than a third the price.
And with all the bugs its actually a real shame tbh.
I've already chose not to pay for the full cost of the phone ill get a contract with o2 when it comes out there [supposedly next month.]
And ill just deal with the bugs as they come....
Oh if this helps anyone The over night charge and then unresponsive bug. I dont think this is down to this phone alone. I had the exact same problem with my dell pda under winmob 6 [football]. Im guessing its a windows related bug.

Concerning the active point number 6 (Sometimes, when answering a call the phone "mute" itself), it is true it is quite annoying, but in the whole forum we are just 4 persons to have this problem, which is an acceptable margin.
Let's see how HTC deals with it. If they manage to repair it for good or change the device I'll be very happy and HTC will have proven they are more responsible than apple (with the Iphone 3G that has a lot of problems of reception under the 3G network)...

Theutus said:
but you should take a more professional approach,
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Theutus you are right. I am just upset because the problems of the latest devices from htc (pre-htc diamond&pro: video lag, etc).
You know the sensation... you want something so much and in final you found out that is not as you expected.. Anyway, post re-edited.
Thanks
@NutsyUK i leave my WM phone many times on charging over night and no problem. (though it's Standard version of WM)
@Flippy_TK that may be a random thing. Other persons maybe just happens not to occur that bug.. as it is random (again). Or your TC may be from a faulty series?

DSF said:
Theutus you are right. I am just upset because the problems of the latest devices from htc (pre-htc diamond&pro: video lag, etc).
You know the sensation... you want something so much and in final you found out that is not as you expected.. Anyway, post re-edited.
Thanks
@NutsyUK i leave my WM phone many times on charging over night and no problem. (though it's Standard version of WM)
@Flippy_TK that may be a random thing. Other persons maybe just happens not to occur that bug.. as it is random (again). Or your TC may be from a faulty series?
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I understand your frustration 100%, and I hope my post didn't come off as insulting in any way. I only meant that if your going to present a case to HTC for these issues, it should be in more of a "professional" layout.
If you need to blow off some steam on the forums, then by all means let her rip. I do think a majority of these issues will be resolved once the phone is released wordlwide, and more people can get their hands on them. After all, thats what xda does best.

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Yah! Add to that the contacts cannot be saved to the SIM card

@Theutus that's ok. The problem is WHY the community has to resolve their problems and not HTC?! Why we don't have a fully functional device right from the box?!
@FOSA thanks. I wait at least one more confirmation to be sure it's touch pro related and not one device related (due some personal actions or 3rd-party software).
I've visited the diamond section from this forum. I've seen many topics with issues.
WE MUST TAKE ACTION if htc does not care... What to do? Don't know.. spread the "bad news" world worldwide, start a petition listing all the problems.. etc.
It's really a shame, a time has passed since they've released Diamond and Touch Pro and htc does not care about the issues (history repeat, see http://www.htcclassaction.org ). They are busy releasing new devices (and I bet that those will be buggy too )

DSF said:
@Theutus that's ok. The problem is WHY the community has to resolve their problems and not HTC?! Why we don't have a fully functional device right from the box?!
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I must be honest. This is my third HTC phone (after an S200 and a P3600) and it's the first time I can run a plain HTC stock ROM with almost no problems. I have had the phone for four weeks now and I am happy with it.
I agree that HTC can be very frustrating with their attitude of basically never fixing problems but in my opinion the out-of-the-box quality of the TouchPro is better than with their previous phones.

I'm with you. I've been happy with the out of the box rom and so far don't have any desire to change - well till we figure out if we can/can't get 3G on it.

So far week 2 out of the box is fine.
Minor issues have been fixed include
Screen lock when phone rings. This is a bad design by HTC
I seem to have an issue with MMS sending but I think thats my provider not sending the config codes correctly. The settings are there but if I try to send a message I get cant dial error. Lucky I don't send MMS that often. I am going to wait for my provider to support the phone before I make a big deal out of it

Great thread!!
I'll add my issues (plenty of them!!) when I have the time.
Thanks

One thing I probably expect is every ppc phone arrive with a bunch of problems, but most normal users do not encounter them at all.
A friend of mine had used the touch pro for the last two weeks, with the basic htc rom, no customisations at all, no tweaks and she's perfectly happy with it. She goes oh and ah at every little thing. She uses it to check her email, surf websites, log onto messenger and that's all. Before that, she was using a diamond and she felt it was a great phone.
People like us will feel the "lag" when we use touch flo. Normal users like her will not even care about it. They just wait for a while. If it does not work, reset the phone. As long as it can call, sms and do what they want reasonably, it does not really bother them.
For ppc geeks like us, we will just find fault and improved it. Remember threaded sms, it was wanted so badly last time, and now that it is in, people wants to go back to the normal sms.

desperation52 said:
Remember threaded sms, it was wanted so badly last time, and now that it is in, people wants to go back to the normal sms.
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True... one man's enhancement is another man's bug.
I've been using the TP for a month now. I'd say the hardware is great (except the front keypad, which is a little tacky). WM6.1 is also great (as mobile phone operating systems go). The HTC add-on software is buggy, but most of it is for funking-up the UI, and I can live without it. I'm sure it will get fixed. I have TF3D switched off, and it's pretty stable now.
I can easily "I wish it had X, like my Prophet", but then I still have the Prophet and I'm not going back to it. Or "I wish it did X, like my Nokia", but then my Nokia reboots consistently in the MP3 player and, if I switch time-zones to Central Europe and back, some birthdays in the calendar end up on the wrong day!
Any product like the TP is rushed out, as a commercial necessity. Think of how much money Sony Ericsson have lost from late delivery of the X1, as would-be X1 buyers (like me) have bought TPs instead. And I suspect that anyone expecting distinctly better quality from SE will be disappointed.
The TP isn't perfect, and it is not (yet) as good as it should be. But it is pretty good, even compared to devices from other manufacturers (Nokia, Sony Ericsson, etc.).
If you're waiting for a more solid device, I suggest you don't wait for another rushed device; wait for a better TP. Or, get a TP now, disable TF3D, and add some freeware to add the functionality you want - that's the beauty of WM. You'll probably still have a better device than you have now.
Cheers,
Graham.

graham.hughes said:
If you're waiting for a more solid device, I suggest you don't wait for another rushed device; wait for a better TP. Or, get a TP now, disable TF3D, and add some freeware to add the functionality you want - that's the beauty of WM. You'll probably still have a better device than you have now.
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It's not just the touchflo 3d... Really! Read the first post and take a deep look on the Raphael forum. You'll find many topics with TP issues and lots of frustrates.
GPS issues (lag, signal loss, overheat), music issues (tss™ htc effect), wrong keymap, low volume, etc etc!
I really want htc to take action and resolve the issues.
@illi thanks

I've got the thing, I know the issues. I also know how big a deal they are (which is bigger to some people than others), and how many of the issues can be worked around. I listen to MP3s, I use the GPS, I send and read email, and once in a while I even make a phone call! And I do all these things without trouble.
No argument from me... the bugs need fixing. But this device, I promise you, is not unusually buggy. It does have an unusually large number of features, and that will mean more bugs in total.
People are writing their hates on this forum; no one writes about what they like, love, or about niggles they can live with. If prospective buyers are reading this, I think it might be useful to have some balance.

i missed the OK bottun on the Keyboard !
why they put it out !???

My problems:
- of Right D pad not working sometime
- Time to get a fix 10x time to get a fix with my diamond
- No ringtone or vibrate when receive a private call

I Want This Feature Back
You could delete all mail (read/unread) with a single key in the Tornado. Whereas there is none in the TP; YOU HAVE TO DELETE ONE BY ONE... Imagine having 100s of emails that you want to delete. HOW MANY KEY STROKES to accomplish that?? I now have 100s of read emails that I want to delete. IMAGINE!!!

1. NEVER once were links from emails were successfully opened in Opera.
2. Is MSXML2 parser installed on TP? If not where to get it?

SMS Vulnerability impacting WM devices?

I read from this article:http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/31/apple-to-release-fix-for-iphone-sms-vulnerability-on-saturday/
It says the vulnerability impacts our WM phone as well. Anyone has checked that and if fix is available? Tried using Google to search our beloved forum but didn't pop up anything yet ..

I read about this too and if it can be patched that quickly on Android then I'd hope it should also be a quick patch on WinMo, especially as the SMS functionality is implemented in pretty much the same way apparently.
Plus XDA has people who are working with Android so maybe they can share what changes Google have made?

I am fairly surprised this hasn't been picked up by the technical bods here as it is quite a major vulnerability and Apple and Google have patched their OS's so WinMo is trailing behind... unless someone knows of a patch thats already been done?

I'm going to PM some mods I know ..

Any response from them yet?

Our good Dave is going to check with some resident expert.. and hopefully some lights to be shed.
From the info I gathered, it actually result in DOS for iPhone and Android, but no news/confirmation on WM yet. So we don't know. However, given the method explored by the author, it's likely at minimum resulting the same (DOS, phone hung, etc.). I think, for phone user, this is critical, as you can't spend your day checking the phone always just to make sure it's still connecting to network/operators.

From what I read the vulnerability could allow for remote code execution including reading your phone's storage and activating cameras and gps. So someone could write an app that send this information back via the data connection and that person could be watched and tracked without knowing that there were compromised.
This is obviously worst case scenario but I for one would sit on the paranoia side of the fence and get it plugged. If we can.

From what I got and discussion, it's mostly DOS.
However, IMO, it still scary. You can't be contacted nor SMS-ed without you realizing until you need to initiate call/ connection.
For someone most of the time on receiving side (doctors, etc) it's really a danger. I do hope our resident expert can find out something, as I don't think MS will be doing it.

You may want to read this article where they interview one of the guys that found the vuln...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hacking-iphone-security,2384.html
(Linked from Slashdot -
Specifically this bit on page 4...
Charlie: Collin's framework also works on Android and WinMobile. We found some denial of service bugs in Android (which we reported and are fixed) and a pretty bad bug in the way HTC WinMobile phones handle SMS messages containing the format specifier %n. That's a fun one because you don't need any special tools to send the malicious message, just use your phone to text your buddy with %n and their TouchFlo (application manager) will crash and won't come back up.

Starfury said:
Specifically this bit on page 4...
Charlie: Collin's framework also works on Android and WinMobile. We found some denial of service bugs in Android (which we reported and are fixed) and a pretty bad bug in the way HTC WinMobile phones handle SMS messages containing the format specifier %n. That's a fun one because you don't need any special tools to send the malicious message, just use your phone to text your buddy with %n and their TouchFlo (application manager) will crash and won't come back up.
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Well, tested the %n story, didn't crash anything on my Topaz WM 6.5 manila 2.5
So regarding manila 2.5 it's: fud
EqX

the-equinoxe said:
Well, tested the %n story, didn't crash anything on my Topaz WM 6.5 manila 2.5
So regarding manila 2.5 it's: fud
EqX
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I believe the current HTC handsets come with WM6.1 now as standard, either HTC or Operator flavoured. As this is a forum for all HTC devices on WM5.0/6.0/6.1/6.5 can we have some testing done on stock ROM's on stock devices please?

I'm going to send a %n text to my buddy's phone and see.
At least now the thread is getting some attention. My concern is for people (like me) that rely more on receiving call/SMS than making call/sending SMS. A crashed network connection will result in no phone at all.

How'd the testing go and any movement on patching?

Just sent myself a %n message but nothing happened. On TPC v10.9 on M2D (Mega's M2D)
My friend is now using custom ROM .. so no try there. I don't have OEM that has M2D ..

What about just trying it on a bog standard WM6.1 OEM ROM from an operator.

Can do .. later perhaps when I'm changing ROM again. I thought it only crashes M2D? No OEM for Kaiser has M2D ..

Reviving this thread because iPhone is vulnerable. Not sure if IE also on our Kaiser? Opera?
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=14663

Step-by-Step guide needed please to jazz up my 'today screen!'

Hi Gents, my name's Paddy and I'm the proud new owner of a TG01 thanks to Orange selling them off at £150! I love it for the fact that I have 24/7 internet access in my pocket, I have a phone and SMS and the rest I'm gradually finding out...(only had it 2 weeks).
I can navigate my way around the device 'now,' but haven't a clue how to change and customise the rather bland "Today Screen," with it's multitude of stripes!
Having looked through this section, I'm in total AWE of you gentlemen, who have the skill and knowlege base to change these things and some of your screens are just amazing, with BIG weather symbols, LARGE clock faces, the date (which I don't have) ..etc, and 'I' would just love to have a go at changing and customising mine (if it's not 'too hard' or risky for a beginner like myself).
Reading things like, TITANINUM; HTC; DOWNLOAD CABS (aren't those taxi's?) is a new language to me, so I need some hand-holding on this one, and basically a 'paint by numbers' BASIC guide on how to change things on this phone of mine (This is from a guy with a 1938 working phone in the house!).
I appreciate that you fella's are leagues ahead of me on what these gadgets 'can do' and what one can 'do with them,' (And it's great to find fok who are so into doing these things) and I understand if my request is rather trivial in the greater scheme of things here, but I honestly wouldn't ask if I didn't want to learn and really do 'need the help and assistance .'
Yours in anticipation. PADDY.

Hi
One of the best things you can put on the TG01 (and the most simple) is SPB mobile shell. Can be found here:
http://spb.com/pocketpc-software/mobileshell/
Unfortunately you do have to pay for it after the 15 day trial, but for the additional functionality it gives your phone, well worth it
So much nicer than the shoddy tosh interface.
Widgets include:
Clocks, Calenders, Wireless switches, Battery indicators, Messaging notifications, Weather, Media player, Photo frames . . the works
There are various addons for mobile shell available on XDA.
Doesnt cost to give it a go
Hope this helps

Thanks for that.
I didn't even know about that, so thankyou. I'm going to have a look now to see what they have to offer.
When I see things like the pictures posted by members here of their customised screens, and compare it to the default options of my TG01 screen, the two really are planets apart! like different phones almost!
It would have been so much nicer if Toshiba had better options available for the screen layouts, but alas no. So hence my asking for this help.
Thanks again, I appreciate the effort. Paddy.

spb shell it would be fine for you and much more things...
Btw a .cab file is a windows mobile file to install directly on your tg01 an application(any kind of)(like copy/paste[somewhere on tg01, maybe storage card]/tap on .cab & follow onscreen instructions.

You can have something like this by adding SPB Mobile Shell and a skin on top of that.

Skin..etc
SteveYorks said:
You can have something like this by adding SPB Mobile Shell and a skin on top of that.
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I can follow the downloading of the SPB (Seems straight forward - even for 'me!'). But what is the 'addition of a skin ontop' mean please? (don't worry, I know when I am talking about things I'm really familiar with, it's easy to overlook the lesser knowledge of others' until someone stops me and says, "I didn't quite grasp that, could you just explain more slowly please...").
The effect (shown in the pics) looks great! it's just 'how to' get there that I don't know... (gotta start somewhere I guess).

Putting a skin onto mobile shell means that its changing the original graphics for different ones, like for example the launcher bar at the bottom of the homescreen, or the clock. Personally Im happy with most of the supplied graphics, and the only thing I've put on extra is a widget pack for extra functionality. One baby step at a time Just install mobile shell and get used to that first, the rest will follow later

Good advice in the above post, take a small step at a time. I've tried loads of themes and I've done quite a few hard resets in the past few weeks, this means starting from afresh each time and re-syncing contacts etc.
The best theme I've seen is the Sense 2.5, however the functionality just isn't there yet, contacts not working, can't save internet favorites etc, so it's no good for me at this stage. Other skins can have problems too like memory leakage.
To get my skin I just installed the Mtstmp-Keithdupont MS Espresso cab over SPB Shell and then rearranged the widgets to where I wanted them.
Try here just search on the forum for " SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 tricks"

Really good advice! (Found some video tuition too)
I've been playing with it for the last day or so, and it seems straight forward enough and has a nice look to it! It's good to have the 15-day-trial to test it out too, as that will be ample time to see if it works for 'me.'
For anyone else out there who is a total 'newbie' to these things. For installation advice, go onto YouTube as there are plenty of step-by-step visual guides on how to download the SPB Trial (I didn't know whether to go for the CAB download or the other option! it recommended the CAB) and it breaks it all down into easy steps. 'If' you miss abit, well you can just backtrack the video guide again
The one thing I am finding tricky right now with the SPB, is when I want to make a phone call and do a 'search' via typing in a name for a number. The option of the QWERTY keyboard in my phone section always seems to escape me right now!! no idea why, but hopefully I'll figure that out as it's an important option for me to 'find' a name and number to phone.
Finally, FIRST CLASS SERVICE and help from you gents on this one, as I didn't have a clue where to look or begin, and the new layout really does look professional IMHO! Cheers, PADDY.

PADDY_M
In phone mode, you have a key(left, bottom, right near TALK [phone] sign) ''HIDE (phone) KEYPAD'', tap it and you should get the device keyboard(toshiba or else).
Good luck!
Let me know you got it...

Got it.
Thankyou!!! makes life so much easier!!

Welcome, anytime I can be helpfull...

I am not much more informed than Paddy above but perhaps more foolish. I have downloaded and installed 40 mb of Htc sense 2.1 ( i think). And cannot remove it. I think I need to hard reset? Hold down camera, vol up etc. If I do, will this return the phone to "as new" or will I also lose all original files.
I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.

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I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.
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As far as I know coreplayer is preinstalled in wm 6.5/6.1 toshiba ROM, no need to worry about.
Regarding the faulty installation of htc stuff, I suppose(not sure 100%) you're right: hard reset=master clear(start/settings/system/masterclear ) will return your tosh as new(this is 100%sure).

Misterik said:
I am not much more informed than Paddy above but perhaps more foolish. I have downloaded and installed 40 mb of Htc sense 2.1 ( i think). And cannot remove it. I think I need to hard reset? Hold down camera, vol up etc. If I do, will this return the phone to "as new" or will I also lose all original files.
I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.
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If you do a hard reset, the phone will be as you got it from the store. So it will still have core player installed

Misterik said:
I am not much more informed than Paddy above but perhaps more foolish. I have downloaded and installed 40 mb of Htc sense 2.1 ( i think). And cannot remove it. I think I need to hard reset? Hold down camera, vol up etc. If I do, will this return the phone to "as new" or will I also lose all original files.
I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.
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If you hard reset (Master Clear is same thing) then you will be back to 'out of the box' status. When you start up a clean device like that, it installs several .cab files provided within the ROM, including the assorted Orange apps and also including Core Player.
If you want to get rid of (most) of the Orange-ness of the TG01 you can intercept this process and prevent these apps being installed, or choose just to add Core Player but none of the others. This is done by using a desktop Registry Editor via USB while it starts up. Detailed instructions are in this thread on MoDaCo (see Post #25).

Thanks very much all. That puts my mind at ease. I'll be able to try other stuff now.