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Windows Mobile 7 screenshots and details - leaked

Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/

Nice find dude
edit: multi-touch confirmed!

Thanx! The Battle goes on for Microsoft and Apple. In 2009 Multitouch is a "Must"

z_rudy said:
Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
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1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.

Link is working, but it's slow now..

Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Microsoft was investing in multitouch technology since years ago

Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Multi-touch is just a name. The technology has been around a long time, and MS even has an implementation in Microsoft Surface.
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
Surur

http://www.sendspace.com/file/imgb4m
http://download.yousendit.com/FC5662C918CDB87E
Link to mht file from above

I heard rumours(read some article on the net) about multitouch technology that it was a company in Finland who first came up with it, but after 6 months it just was developing "dead spots" on the screen, so they dropped the project. And now Apple "bought" it from them... I say once again Rumours.?

Thats it. Im keeping my WM5 device until further notice. I can survive off extracted WM6 apps until then....

this is from Apple insider about "dead spots" http://www.appleinsider.com/article...essing_dead_spots_on_iphone_touchscreens.html

!!!!
Wonder what it'll run on. Oh well, my Wizard probably won't run it (but here's to hoping it will)

How nice of the blog to spill Microsoft's new and secret ideas for all the competitors out there

Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.

nvrnuff said:
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Now.. to be realistic, out of all the phones that are being sold with windows mobile how many do you think end up reflashed? I am willing to bet that it is quite a small percentage in the end. Most people don't want to get down and dirty with their phones, especially when they've already paid £400-£500 for it.

nvrnuff said:
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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WM is one of the few platforms where they would even consider giving updates. Even Symbian and Palm don't. Even on a computer they don't give Vista because we have XP.
As long as it runs compatible hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if develops here find a way to get it working. There's also always test builds on older devices. And it's still a long time before this is going to be released. It doesn't exactly make sense to purposely produce versions for hardware that could be old.
In short, we'll just have to see. There's no point making that speculation.

From the look of it (especially the fonts that have too much quality), the images are just mockups.
And given the Vista example, I bet it will look a lot worse when shipped than what we are seeing in these concepts.
Still, it's nice to see them and them evaluate how much work it takes to implement something that takes just a few days to design in Photoshop.

Can the Betas be far behind ?

Yeah, let's bring the battle to the fruitsuckers!

Some of the stuff looks similar to Pointui.

This sort of thing pretty much proves Windows Mobile is dying...

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7890.html

darthbane2k said:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7890.html
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I think its pretty shameful.
Surur

Hmmm....
I don't think Windows Mobile is going anywhere. Theres too many of us out there.

i think this thread should be trash as its counter productive

rjgraves said:
I don't think Windows Mobile is going anywhere. Theres too many of us out there.
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That's what I thought about the Clie... and Palm OS... wow, this sucks. Yet it is oddly familiar to me

This does not prove anything. In fact, I was just reading a recent study which suggests that based on the trends that symbian phones are the ones on the way out and that WM phones, IPhone and other smart phones are all on the rise. Look at the MOTO Razr - it use to be the best selling phone on the market, not anymore. In fact - Motorolla is hurting and at risk now because they can't come out with a device to compete against the new WM smartphones - IPhone, Android phones etc....

think wm was at first mostly intresting for business people who dident want
palm og blackbarry for some reason
and us geeks who liked to have a phone/pda that was not unlike the windows
we had one the pc's
then apple made iphones and get the interest of a lot of people who used
to say that our phone were too much bricks too complex and not easy enough to use
now many many apps are being made for iphones but not sure that it's at the expense of
of wm just a bigger market
if anybody kills wm it would suspect android as it's closer to the open wm platform then apple is where lack of openness scar us away

Calling it a dying OS is pretty meaningless based on the release of an application from a single group in the Microsoft Labs (like google labs, it's more like a play area). Microsoft Labs has released a number of things that were never meant to go anywhere, and often things that were discontinued despite being popular. Considering what the application does (in terms of audience), it's more likely that the application was released to test the Deep Zoom service, or at least build up it's user base. Assuming popularity of Seadragon, I wouldn't be surprised to see it included in a lot of WM7 phones when they come out soon. This is also a common move by microsoft, waiting to release an app until they can make a grand entrance with it, which packaging this along with WM7 definitely fits.
Also remember that WM6.1 is actually the oldest of the smartphone competitors out there. We all know that MS is going to be releasing 7 in the very near future, which by all reports should put it into the realm of ridiculously cool features and in many ways it will either match or exceed almost anything currently out.

Rudegar said:
think wm was at first mostly intresting for business people who dident want
palm og blackbarry for some reason
and us geeks who liked to have a phone/pda that was not unlike the windows
we had one the pc's
then apple made iphones and get the interest of a lot of people who used
to say that our phone were too much bricks too complex and not easy enough to use
now many many apps are being made for iphones but not sure that it's at the expense of
of wm just a bigger market
if anybody kills wm it would suspect android as it's closer to the open wm platform then apple is where lack of openness scar us away
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I second this
totally agree

WM is going nowhere for the short term, when we get like Palm OS *then* I'll worry.

to say because MS released one app for iPhone befroe WM means the WM is dying is like saying the MS Office for Mac foreshadowed the downfall of the PC!
All it really means is tha MS acknowledges there is another market for their products.

i think its ms making the point that even the die hardest mac fan cant live without ms products

I think this is a great sign. I would love to see MS release a Zune Mobile app for the iPhone and one-up Apple on their own platform.

motionmind said:
I think this is a great sign. I would love to see MS release a Zune Mobile app for the iPhone and one-up Apple on their own platform.
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Cannot be done.
Apple does not allow software in their app store that resembles or competes too directly with anything they are putting out. Zune would obviously be a direct competitor.
Obviously there's always jailbroken iphones which could install it, but most of the apps people install with that are small distribution and generally not a threat. If microsoft put out the Zune software specifically with jailbroken iphones in mind, it would take less than a blink before Apple's lawyers were having orgasms at the idea of getting MS into court.
I know you're meaning it as a joke (at least I assume you are), and I'm taking your joke seriously...but I only do that because I also believe that it would be a truly great thing to see Apple forced into allowing the Zune software after they've worked so hard to exclude fair competition in business (you know, the same thing that kept MS court for a decade)
Sorry if that sounds bad, I admit, I've hated apple since before there were hard drives in their computers

speed_pour said:
I know you're meaning it as a joke (at least I assume you are), and I'm taking your joke seriously...
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I'm 100% serious. I wouldn't mind having an iPhone if I could use my Zune subscription service with it. I've tried iTunes and it's really a cluttered mess compared to the Zune software, plus no subscription options. My wife has an iPhone and a Zune player because of this same issue.

derekwilkinson said:
That's what I thought about the Clie... and Palm OS... wow, this sucks. Yet it is oddly familiar to me
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I can't confirm anything, but two years ago I think their R&D department consisted of a single guy with an old M505. Windows Mobile might not get all the cool stuff, but at least it's up to date and totally hackable.
I love the open platform and all its possibilities

I'm quite certain that there is a simple and clear reason for releasing seadragon on the iPhone before WM.
The iPhone exists in the form of two handsets only, and they are near identical hardware. This means that it is simple to write some code to make use of the CPU and graphics acceleration in the best possible way.
There are huge numbers of WM handsets, and they all have different capabilities and different hardware interfaces. This make it damn near impossible to code an application like seadragon. None also the dearth of genuinely impressive 3d games on the WM scene, as against the iPhone app store. Same reason.
Any games we make have to be tweaked for different resolution, hardware etc. Even the prolific developers (the guy behind s2u2, s2v etc.) finds it difficult and has to hard code in support for direct3d, opengl and all sorts of different things. Even then s2v struggles on the better phones out there.

I wonder why people keep reading msmobiles... it is the windows mobile equivalent of a tabloid, and the arguments the author keeps making over and over and over again can at best described as clownish.

The future of Windows Mobile 6.5?

So I'm contemplating a new smartphone and I like many of the things about the TouchPro 2. But my biggest fear is that WM 6.5 is on the door step of being obsolete. With the announcement of Windows Phone 7, apps and updates for 6.5 still going to be out there? I expect that I'll use my phone for the next 2 years or so... I'd hate to keep seeing new and exciting stuff come around for the iPhone, Android, and WP7, with nothing new for the 6.5.
Am I right to be worried?

Your concern is fair. I have a TP2 and a HD2. The good news is there is a large number of software options out there for 6.5. Microsoft says that 6.5 is not being replaced by 7 but that does not mean developers are going to continue to create applications.

WM 6.5 is still supported for next 2-3 years so if you're going to buy a new phone in 2 years you are still fine with WM in my opinion. I just bought my wife a Touch2 few days ago.
For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.

I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.

alanrichey said:
I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.
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i have the same feelings.

RAMMANN said:
For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.
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Is this really true? Is it impossible to renew the certificates, or develop applications after they have expired? Is the phone unusable after 2015? I am playing with the same thought to buy a Windows Mobile 6.5 device in near future, but if the phone locks after the certs expire, I have to think about better buying a Android Smartphone?! I don't really think that I will use my phone the next 4 years, but maybe if there are no good phones in future...
I think Windows Mobile is one of the most versatile OS on the market, because it is possible to run Android parallel from SD card. Only iOS is possible to do nearly the same. The next advantage is the huge know-how for such an old and durable system. Currently I'm using a XPERIA X1 and I never had the feeling that this OS (WM 6.1) is outdated. It is still timeless and functional. The usability is debatable, because you have a huge range of customization, user interfaces and a lot of free applications... The best thing is, that you can manage lot of things by modyfing the registry. With some tweaks I got my X1 to a very good performance. I would like to use it as second/spare phone in future
Hopefully anyone can answer my questions...
Best Regards
zyclop
P.S.: I don't want to buy an iPhone or a Windows 7 Phone, because WP7 has too many things missing and I would like to wait for a few updates and improvements first (maybe one or two years). iOS has too many restrictions for my requirement and iPhones are still too expensive.

Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.

qipengart said:
Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.
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Except that there are shed loads of other places to get apps from.
Compared with other app sites, MS Marketplace hardly has any apps for WM6.
The truth of the matter is that the phones won't suddenly stop working, WM has been renamed Windows Mobile Classic, there are plenty of sites providing apps for it, and no one knows how long this will continue.

But no new devices
Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.

stevedebi said:
Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.
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Holy necro-posting Batman.

just use android

efeguwewe said:
just use android
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It's not yet good enough.

Wil there be any more highend winmo devices?

Over the last few years it has become quite fashionable for people (especially alot of tech websites) to bash windows mobile even if they have very little experiance with it, more so since the iphone came on the scene. yet most people who play with my device (HD2 running NRG rom and maxsense) have very positive feedback. So although winmo is capable it seems it not very marketable
Thus no matter how good some of the projects at XDA have turned out winmo is on the way out, and android is on the way in.
But i dont feel im done with winmo yet, i have mustered alot of software since my 1st winmo device (HTC e200) and invested alot of time learning its intricacies, i dont yet feel ready to make the jump to a different OS when there still seems to be so much going on in the winmo world, but at the same time im eager for some new hardware.
But soon my contract will be up for renewal and there seems to be no more highend winmo devices insight, is the HD2 the last highend winmo device?
There is alot of hype surrounding the windows phone 7 but for me this seems too much like jumping on the Iphone bandwagon and the complete opposite of what i want from a device. Sure i like an easy to use interface, but comprimising functionality for it is too high a price.
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MeeGo, Wasted Opportunity?

Well, yesterday was my first day using MeeGo OS on my new Nokia n9 and I have to say I absolutely love it. It is much smoother than I expected, it offers just about everything Android offers, it really focuses on the user experience, and the n9 is just an outstanding little device for any OS. Nokia essentially killed MeeGo with the introduction of their amazing windows phone devices, but my question is, "why not both?" I honestly feel that MeeGo could've been a serious contender amongst the Android tinkerers and wp7 is easily the most socially adept OS. They could have been the giants of the mobile industry once again. Does anyone else feel like MeeGo was a missed opportunity? I would've loved it on some lumia 900 hardware. They could've even continued releasing it on very similar hardware. Your thoughts?

well, i got meego on my netbook when i bought it... and i quite instantly deleted it or rather exchanged it to suse.
i also wanted the n9 back in the days, but went with the samsung wave which got another "alternative" os installed.
but seeing bada is pretty much going down the drain right now i should have taken the n9, as you seem to be really happy with it! ^^
but i think thats always the problem with new os's that have yet to prove themselves against the allmighty ones like android and ios.
even windows phone is having a hard time.

i use to play with maemo on my n900 and i loved it. still my favorite phone, but ya never got the chance to try the final release of meego. watched a couple of youtube reviews on it and looks great.
ya, but i think meego has missed out and i think nokia is focused on wp7

I think that MeeGo and WebOS (can be found on previous HP devices) both missed out. They could have equally made it big with the right advertising , pricing, and hardware.

Too little too late.

N9 and N95 are both great devices, that actually sell quite well.
http://communities-dominate.blogs.c...ent-of-symbian-windows-phone-strategy-do.html
Read about the devices from a former Nokia Exec.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

I don't think wp7 was a poor choice, I think the poor choice was not using it as just part of the repertoire.

AFAIK, Nokia cancel Meego phone as part of the deal with Microsoft, so they can license WP and get a special treatment to customize WP. Of course everybody know how's Microsoft's stance towards Linux, and Meego is based on (Debian) Linux.
Maemo, although is really good, suffer badly from Nokia internal politics. Nokia shipped the first Maemo device on 2005, that's 2 years earlier than the original iPhone(2007), 3 years earlier than iOS App Store (2008), 3 years earlier than the first Android handset (2008, HTC Dream G1). Instead pushing Maemo, Nokia release S60v5 and fail miserably. Meego lost its traction, because the development took too long.
So, Nokia had its chances.
The one that I don't really understand is why Intel, as the other benefactor of Meego, cancelled it also, and move to Tizen. And why there's no independent developer continue the development? The reference hardware is available (N9 and N900), the source code also available.

I agree. I mean MeeGo is as pure as linux on a phone comes. For a Linux developer it should be a cakewalk. Instead, a promising foundation is banished. I think with Maemo, it was a strong start, but a shaky foundation. Instead of operating on that like Android did, they started over.

With companies like Intel, Nokia, and Novel behind Meego I never had high hopes for it.