did anyone succeeded using voip through the normal phone speakr? (the ear speaker, not the music/loud speaker), preferably with the integrated wm6 voip?
if so, what is your rom type and version?
what is the size and date of your \windows\rtcdll.dll?
thanks.
not sure if any non real phone apps got access to that speaker
if it is possible then i believe that programs have to be written to use it
and skype being developd as a pda program rather then a pdaphone program
prob use the only speaker normal pda's got
i could be wrong though
maybe you can get it ot use a bluetooth headset with less hassel
HEllo,
I discovered yesterday the issue with the speaker and went through many forum but did not find any positive answer on how to get the sound directed to the good speaker.when using SIP.
I even did not understood if it is a problem of the touch cruise only or a general issue ...
Is the issue solvable - So I can still hope - or is there any hardware limitation
This issue means that using SIP with the Touch cruise is not possible except if we agree to have everyone in the room listening to the phone call ...
So if you have any positive information/solution ... Thank you
Franck
Search for a sip client agenet mobile or something. It's not exactly the name, but I can't dind it again. But this one is the only one that works at least on some of the smartphones with the earspeaker. And they want to add more supported devices in the future.
Generally it's a general problem, not a TC problem. The telcos just don't want a proper SIP integration in WM or they even deactivate it completely. It's a kind of squeeze to Microsoft. But MS won't disrespect them because they all like money.
Thank you for the answer.
I found Agephone mobile. Is it the one you were thinking about ?
I just tried it but no success, sound still come out through the rear speaker ...
Franck
Yeah, that's it. I've tried it right now as well but no luck. It's quite useless, as long as the ear speaker is not working. But it's not their blame. On the Trinity it's working allegedly.
Maybe we can them them a log. For some models they fix it.
phone speaker
it must work cause it works for me.
Hello papasieg,
Does it really work for you ? with the sound coming from the normal sound speaker and not the rear one ?
Take care that a trick exist with some SIP softphone which reduces the level on the rear sound speaker, giving the impression that it comes from the normal sound speaker but is is not the case ...
I am going to have another look at agephone
I had a discussion with eyepmedia (they produce eyepcommunicator). They answered:
Regarding our SIP softphone - eyeP Communicator for Windows Mobile – we have not yet made any certifications (nor tests) with the HTC Touch series. Until last year, previous HTC devices (HTC TyTN, 9100, etc) exposed a hardware bug which did not allow to handle the back and phone speakers correctly. But we hope this issue has been sorted out by HTC on new devices.
For information, we intend to make a new certification versus an HTC Touch Cruise before the end of the year. If your project has shorter timelines, then I suggest organizing a conf call to a date/time which works fine with you.
Franck
New test with Age phone
I made a new test with Agephone Version 2.63 (2008.08.28) and did not managed to have it working properly (I tried several configuration for the audio device).
So if someone has a working configuration ...
Sincerely,
Franck
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Does anyone have experience with the Parrot CK-3100 bluetooth carkit ?
I was about to go for the new Sony Ericsson HCB-300 unit when I encountered the Parrot. Featurewise it looks like a great unit, but I am interested in anyones experience using this unit.
What is the sound quality ? Are all features (like caller id etc) usable with the MDA/XDAII ...
Thanks !
Taco
Hi there,
I have recently fitted the CK3100 & have to say its been really good. It integrates with the vehicle, just like any other professionally available car kit.
That's the good news - the bad news is the XDA II (in all its guises) - still the age old problem of the lack of car kit profile means that the functionality is limited.
Yes, it does pair with the CK3100. Yes it will send and receive calls. What it won't do is make any proper use of the LCD display, nor will it allow access to the address book on the PDA.
In short, it will interact in the same way as it would any BT headset - because that is what it thinks its talking to !
If I use the car and need my handsfree - I have to muse my old Nokia 6310i - which works perfectly - allowing full use of the LCD screen and 100% access to all the data on the phone.
You may wish to check out the other threads on this site regarding the known and ongooing problem with the BT stack on the XDA II.
It's really pathetic that my old nokia beats the more advanced XDA II hands down when it comes to BT integration.
best of luck
Redz
Redz,
Have you tried installing the Pocket Bluetooth tools (http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html) to create a carkit profile in the XDAII ?
I've ordered the Parrot and will receive it later this week.
A slight diversion
I hate hijacking but any of you guys know how to get the Motorola car kit to answere calls. O2 blame Pocket Windows 2003. MS blame Motorola. Making calls is fine but answereing is a no no so Ive to call callers back when on the road. Any ideas
GJW
redz said:
Hi there,
I have recently fitted the CK3100 & have to say its been really good. It integrates with the vehicle, just like any other professionally available car kit.
Redz
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Hi Redz
Tell me....does it only work for the phone function, or does it puts out other sound like mp3 or Tomtom nav directions ?
thx in advance,
iGadget
igadget said:
Tell me....does it only work for the phone function, or does it puts out other sound like mp3 or Tomtom nav directions ?
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Phone only, and just using a headset profile, without the option of adjusting the volume which results in (too) loud sound, causing echo.
I know this may not be a PDA specific problem but I'm asking for any help! I have an XDAIIs which after unlocking am now using with my work Orange simcard. They kindly supplied me a new Nokia (CK7?) bluetooth carkit that pairs very easily with my xda. Problem being that the person on the receiving end of the call, whether on mobile or landline, gets immediate echo back of anything they say. (Sound quality is excellent at my end) All I can think is that the mic on the XDA is live alongside the carkit microphone causing one to pick up speech and send it straight back. Has anyone else encountered this problem and had any joy in remedying it!!?? Any help great fully accepted as I'm getting fairly reliant on my PDA now and it is very annoying not being able to use it in the car!
Thanks, Steve
You have a Nokia CK7W I expect. Welcome to the club! There is currently no solution for this problem, although upgrading the Bluetooth stack is rumoured to help. I have Radio version 1.13.00 with BT stack 1.0.0 Build 3900 from Broadcom and this problem persists.
So, unless anyone comes up with any other suggestions you are stuck with it for the time being. I wouldn't rule out upgrading to WM5 but I have not heard anything of how the BT performs in that image.
Sorry couldn't be more positive
I am also a member of the club tried everything. The most easy thing to do is to lower the volume of your carkit speaker. This could mean that the PDA is catching up what the other side tells you. But i tried everything, even different profiles (pocketalarm) but it is still there. So let hope someone comes up with that everwanted solution.
Maybe the voice coming out from car kit speakers reenters car kit microphone
Thanks guys, looks like I'm stuck with it for now...
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Maybe the voice coming out from car kit speakers reenters car kit microphone
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I had the same setup with my Nokia 6260 and everything worked perfectly. I sold the phone and bought a S100 and now i have this problem, so it is not the issue that the speaker is to close of the microphone. My guess is that nokia uses a different protocol in their BT stack. To ensure that you will use Nokia forever.
I also asked the other side to talk while i putted my hand on the carkit miicrophone. The echo is still there. A new BT stack would be handy.
AE problem
Hi!
nothing about your problem - but something you may interest to hear.
- simple one - Acoustic Echo becomes to Far End user (not you) as result of passing signal from your speaker to your microphone.
- how signal passing from.. to.. - not necessarily by air - and for mobile devices it is usually passing through its case and its board. So if you put your hand on mic - you won't achieve any "improvement".
only what you can do:
- find from what part problem comes - as you have 2 mic on your sytem try to find which one "cause" the problem. Acoustically separate PDA's mic - if echo still presents - the problem exactly in hands free part.
If it is - BT stack software cannot help you. BT stack software is responsible for data transportation. Only if inside new firmware some one put AECanceller software (and hardware) iprovements.
hardware means - physically prevent (provide good case and board design) passing cpeaker signal to mic. Actually this way is quite reasonable - for example HP 2210 PDA has several times smaller and shorter ImpulsResponse compare to Qtek S100. This means that in equal other condition HP provides smaller echo signal. For both devices echo path lies "inside" them - I am not targeting application like conference-room.
Second way is - to use software AEC - in nowadays it is normal and usual function in such device's firmware. So maybe next firmware will have it.
What can you do more - try to play with mic sensitivities and speaker loudness - it may help... a little.
Hello,
I would like the polaris to ring on the speaker even if the headset is connected.
I prefer using the headset to talk but if it remains connected the phone doesn't ring when an incoming call arrives, or it rings into the headset...
Is there a way to separate the ring and the windows application speaker ?
On all cell phone it is a basic feature. On a previous sony-ericsson, it even manages differents profiles when the headset was or not connected.
Regards,
Arthu'
dont recall ever seen a htc phone supporting it
on the otherhand i've seen plenty of issues with the old connector getting
stuck blocking any non headset speaker sounds untill the user got he connector fixed :S
Arthurrr said:
Hello,
I would like the polaris to ring on the speaker even if the headset is connected.
I prefer using the headset to talk but if it remains connected the phone doesn't ring when an incoming call arrives, or it rings into the headset...
Is there a way to separate the ring and the windows application speaker ?
On all cell phone it is a basic feature. On a previous sony-ericsson, it even manages differents profiles when the headset was or not connected.
Regards,
Arthu'
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Witch ROM have you on your Polaris (French) ?
I've installed the latest rom from Bepe (see my signature for info) and I haven't this problem. Unfortunately I haven't tested this situation with my original French ROM.
I remember to have the exact same problem with my P3600 by the past. Never know how to fix it.
academic said:
Witch ROM have you on your Polaris (French) ?
I've installed the latest rom from Bepe (see my signature for info) and I haven't this problem. Unfortunately I haven't tested this situation with my original French ROM.
I remember to have the exact same problem with my P3600 by the past. Never know how to fix it.
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It's french ROM effectivly :
ROM : 1.25.406.1 FRE 12/12/07
RAD : 1.58.21.23
PRO : 25.65.30.04H
I have read yesterday night the long post on the MP3 volume level in headset and seen that you have flashed your ROM.
I don't want to do that. Maybe the solution is in one of those configuration files. Unfortunately, I have also understood that we can't count on HTC to solve such issue. They have put all their cleverness into the production and the marketing, so, now, they are lacking of for the maintainance.
I wonder if they use their product... in this case, they couldn't ignore that it is really perfectible. I'm looking for a telephone, plus PDA functionnality, not a PDA plus telephon functionnality. And the Cruise is more in the second category, so I'm some little desappointed with the device. We will see if I keep it only for PDA and GPS...
Well, this is not really a question or problem. But just a headsup that the Diamond works just fine with my Nokia CK-7W.
However it would also be nice to hear from you guys (and girls) as well, since I can't imagine I'm the only one with succes!
You might wonder "Why the hell do you post this?!". Well, that's simple because when I wanted to find out whether that Nokia carkit would work together with the Diamond I coulnd't find anything.
And since my experiences with Nokia carkits and HTC phones weren't all that good (read: BAD, lots of echo and weird connection problems) I was pretty anxious to give this a try.
After testing it on another CK-7W, which was already built in a car, I figured it worked perfectly so I took the plunge and got one for my car.
(Before you ask, why no parrot or other brand? I was able to get my hands on this one really cheap.)
The only problem I got was the first time I wanted to pair the device. Every time after entering the 4 digit passcode I got a message saying the passcode was incorrect. Instantly, not even trying to connect. After leaving it all alone for 10-15 minutes and I tried to connect again it suddenly worked without any problems. And it's still working with no issues at all.
ROM I use:
SWIFTBL WWE DIAMOND ROM V7.5
OS Version: CE 5.2.20755 (Build 20755 AKU 1.4.0)
Base ROM Version: 1.93.405.1 UK WWE
So.. more succes stories here? Or problems?
Hi
I have the same setup, Nokia CK-7W in my volvo s60 connected to my MDA Compact IV running swiftbldade 7.5.
It all works perfect.
I even have MS Voice command setup with it and it annonuces incoming callers and messages perfectly and voice dialling works perfect as well.
Call quality is very good as well.
Shaks
Hey - I've got my CK-7W working fine too, except I'd like to also enable wireless stereo... but the option doesn't seem to exist... I bought the CK-7W off a friend, and he was able to use wireless stereo, but I cn't - has anyone else had any success...?
Relly something I want for using TomTom, etc...
Hi i have CK-7W car kit and I am having problems getting my Diamond to pair can you please advise how you guys paired your ones?
Can't say anything more than I just used the normal way to pair, go to bluetooth settings, search for device and select the carkit + enter correct passcode.
I did however have some problems in the beginning. It would find the carkit but after entering the passcode it said pairing failed.
But when I tried later again it went without a problem, and it paired everytime without a problem ever since.
I dont think the ck-7w supports stereo audio. There are however apps that can route the audio over the carkit. BTAudio is one called if I remember correctly. That way you can have the tomtom over the carkit, but quality isn't that good really.
And some say that using that audio routing also gives 'problems' sometimes, as in it sometimes seems like there is audio (e.g. the car radio is muted) but you don't hear anything for a few secs. So that can be quite annoying.
hmmm??? My diamond wont even pick up the car kit during the search!
I had some problems pairing in the first place...
Don't try to search for the car-kit using the phone, just have your Diamond on BT visible to others, and the car-kit will try to connect automatically... I think you might need to hold the button on the car-kit down for like 10 seconds for it to search, but definately let the kit find the phone, not the other way around...
I fitted one of these to my brother in law's car the other day. Tested it with my diamond, but i expected it to be cross compatible.
Bit offtopic, but what's the advantage compared with a just as pricy parrot system?
Hi Y'all,
I am using my Diamond with the nokia CK-7W and it works fine as well. Paired up without much fuss....
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Bit offtopic, but what's the advantage compared with a just as pricy parrot system?
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Eh.. none? I find the quality better compared to my old ck3300 parrot carkit. However, this one doesnt have a small lcd display or something. Not that I missed the lcd screen though, but sure was a nice feature.
Best thing about the parrot was that it's possible to put a new firmware on it. Could make them a little bit more 'future-proof'.
Nokia CK-7W with HTC Touch Diamond2, VITO VoiceDialer
Pairing the device was easy. In coming calls are working. Push on the carkit button and I can answer the call.
The problem that I have is that I can't do a voice call. If I push on the carkit button nothing happens. I would have expected that the VoiceDialer app would be started and I could make a voice call. The VoiceDialer app works without bluetooth.
Has anyone an idea how I get voice dialing working?
Remark:
With my pervious cell phone Motorola L6 was this possible. Pushed on the carkitt button, wait on the beep, say the name, when recognized it repeats the name and the number was dialed by the phone.
I am looking for an upgrade from the Universal. These two devices are looking about the closest (or the touch pro 2).
I use the universal without earphones or bluetooth, as a phone, is that possible with the 75x0? Or must you have an attachment?
(the universal had two dedicated speakers for mono 'phone' mode, and two others for stereo speakerphone).
you need attachment, you can't just use it as a phone (ie hold it to your ear) it gets real annoying for me.
To be honest, practically it can work as a phone even w/o any attachment. It has two stereo louder speakers and one microphone on its front panel. But the thing is that it does not have the speaker like in the regular phone - only louder speaking mode is available, therefore, everybody will hear you during your phone conversations. Or you should find out your "secret" place for talking with people.
BT or cord attachment can solve this problem and let you use this brick as a phone, but, believe me, you will forget about regular use...
This is real "another brick in the wall..."
Now I'm just trying to test this relation 7510 + cord headset replacing my Nokia E71 (just to test). Finally, I'm sure that I will return to Nokia soon - it's absolutely impossible to use 7510 as a regular working phone for everyday use.
I'm using the X7500 and now X7510 since 3 years as phone and Im happy with. OK, you need a BT headset or BT carkit - but no other phone in the world can offer the features a X75xx has.
Dieter
dieterpapa said:
I'm using the X7500 and now X7510 since 3 years as phone and Im happy with. OK, you need a BT headset or BT carkit - but no other phone in the world can offer the features a X75xx has.
Dieter
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Interesting that someone would love to use the x75x0 as a regular phone. The more recent WM phones (Touch HD2, Toshiba TG01) being hailed have screens almost as big as the x75x0. When I read their users' wish list for these modern phones, they seem to be describing something like the x75x0. Something tells me that a re-release of the x7510 with some tweaks could be a winner! Desired improvements: 1GHz processor, WVGA (800x480) resolution, skin cover for the main device (without hardware keyboard).
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Interesting that someone would love to use the x75x0 as a regular phone. The more recent WM phones (Touch HD2, Toshiba TG01)
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People think these screens are as big?
I have the universal, which is a 4" screen, and when I look at any phone in a shop at the moment, the size of the screen is much smaller.
I use my X7510 as a phone (and internet browser, agenda, tomtom and mp3 player)
The WM 6.5.3 interface is a huge improvement in the phone usefulness and that makes Windows mobile slowly getting to become a proper phone-software.
The contact images (the faces of your contacts) are of course still microscopic.
I live in one of the no cellphone while driving w/o a headset states, so I take my blueant z9i headset wherever I go anyway, so if youre the same then I'd say yes, it works perfectly and reliably as a phone, as well as an internet tablet, a messenger device, a audio-video player, an ebook reader, a GPS Navigator, an SNES emulator, (haven't tried the playstation emulator yet), as well as whatever else of the boatload of uses you can find for it.