Is it possible to connect charger without battery so that i can use device all day and avoid over-charge or possible battery damage?
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Batteries in Tornado can (even should) be charged often Don't worry about it
Yeah, over-charging is no problem. It'll stop charging when it's full.
This does raise an interesting question, one I haven't really bothered to try but have just now become curious about. Can you plug the phone into the wall, sans battery, and use the phone still? Or will it only function, plugged in or not, with the battery installed?
Phone turns off when you get battery out :/
djsleepwalker said:
Yeah, over-charging is no problem. It'll stop charging when it's full.
This does raise an interesting question, one I haven't really bothered to try but have just now become curious about. Can you plug the phone into the wall, sans battery, and use the phone still? Or will it only function, plugged in or not, with the battery installed?
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LOL, I just tried that last night, and... ohh Noo it don't even turn the power light on w/o a battery... so @Amaric: Keep charging it!
I am aware that phone is not working if you take out the battery and connect it to a charger. I was wondering if there is some kind of a workaround.
My plan was to have phone switched on for months with wireles ON too. That just can't be good for battery and it could even be dangerous.
amaric said:
I am aware that phone is not working if you take out the battery and connect it to a charger. I was wondering if there is some kind of a workaround.
My plan was to have phone switched on for months with wireles ON too. That just can't be good for battery and it could even be dangerous.
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Do these tests, and post results
Turn off power savings on Wi-Fi and leave phone ON, doing something over the internet, just idling, so that the LCD is off. Say for example: acting as router.
Conditions:
1. Phone w/full battery -
2. Phone charging w/full battery -
How long did he battery last? How did the phone temperature change? What would you guess would happen in 48hrs of usage?
EDIT: My experience with Wi-Fi is that it drains more power than the charger output. Temperature raises substantianlly w/o LCD, gets extreamly hot w/LCD on. So what would be the options?
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when im booting linux and the phone is charging you can take the battery out but the phone will still be on nice
bestever said:
when im booting linux and the phone is charging you can take the battery out but the phone will still be on nice
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Is this a joke? If not, then some change to a software (OS) could do the trick.
amaric said:
Is this a joke? If not, then some change to a software (OS) could do the trick.
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my opinion? If it does stay on after removing the battery, then it'll do the same if you have the phone on while running Windows, and charging and remove the battery. Battery charging is not handled by OS, its handled by Hardware.
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My experience with Wi-Fi is that it drains more power than the charger output.
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Does anyone else think this is true? I think it would be unlikely that having the screen off but wifi on would use more power than the wall adapter provides.
I suspect that you could jumper the battery connections to mimic a full battery, but I am not going to try.
I think you can put resistors to mimic the internal resistance of a battery, but I wouldn't recommend it. If anything goes wrong you might burn out the charging/power control circuit which probably would turn your phone to a brick.
Oh, and the whether it charges when plugged in and using WiFi depends on your charger. I've got a 6V 2.4A (15W) charger for my phone, good luck using up all that juice with a Tornado. That thing easily charges my TyTN with HSDPA (3G), WiFi, Bluetooth and screen active.
15W is more or less what my laptop uses under normal load
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Im new to windows mobile and i noticed that everytime i connect my fuze to the computer it indicates that it is charging, is there anyway that i can turn the "charging" off? because like this it kills the battery slowly.
peste19 said:
Im new to windows mobile and i noticed that everytime i connect my fuze to the computer it indicates that it is charging, is there anyway that i can turn the "charging" off? because like this it kills the battery slowly.
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are you sure about that? i thought all these batteries and phones nowdays, were quite good at managing this all by themselves....
we're really still in an age where us as users have to actively baby sit our batteries?
peste19 said:
Im new to windows mobile and i noticed that everytime i connect my fuze to the computer it indicates that it is charging, is there anyway that i can turn the "charging" off? because like this it kills the battery slowly.
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Are you meaning it kills the battery on your pc? (i assume its a laptop if thats the case)
There is an option in start>settings>system(tab)>power to stop charging when connected via USB.
Charging via USB is a great feature and im positive it doesnt DRAIN the battery on your fuze?
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Are you meaning it kills the battery on your pc? (i assume its a laptop if thats the case)
There is an option in start>settings>system(tab)>power to stop charging when connected via USB.
Charging via USB is a great feature and im positive it doesnt DRAIN the battery on your fuze?
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i thought perhaps he was under some sort of misconception that the battery on the FUZE keeps charging even after its full while plugged into USB, and this somehow 'damages' the FUZE battery, or slowly 'kills it' ... ur interpretation makes more sense though
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i thought perhaps he was under some sort of misconception that the battery on the FUZE keeps charging even after its full while plugged into USB, and this somehow 'damages' the FUZE battery, or slowly 'kills it' ... ur interpretation makes more sense though
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I thought so as well, I thought that the Fuze would stop the charging once full but I am not positive. I know most of my las Li-On devices still suffered from burnout but none were as fancy as the Fuze.
Makes sense that it could have just been draining his laptop faster though
i was referring to the battery of the phone, before baterries used to suffer i think the term is called "memory effect" which caused the batteries after a while hold the charge for less time, this was caused by always charging when not needed.
they say that the new batteries dont suffer so much this "memory effect" but from my experience that is not true
peste19 said:
i was referring to the battery of the phone, before baterries used to suffer i think the term is called "memory effect" which caused the batteries after a while hold the charge for less time, this was caused by always charging when not needed.
they say that the new batteries dont suffer so much this "memory effect" but from my experience that is not true
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Lithium-ion batteries do not suffer the "memory effect" that the older batteries do. They also do not need to be drained fully a few time when you first get them to condition the battery. Draining the battery fully actually is bad for the lithium ion batteries and can significantly effect the life of the battery itself.
The original question has been answered already, and the information regarding the batteries is already available elsewhere so i am closing this thread.
Hello everybody, I own an HD2 that is alway connected to a table cradle (connected via USB to a PC) during the day when I'm in Office. I wonder if exist an app that allows to manage the battery charging: I explain...I'd like that the HD2 AUTOMATICALLY "turns off" the charging when the battery is fully charged at 100% and automatically "turns it on" again when the battery charge reaches a given threshold (60-50-40% or something like that). If you own an IBM/Lenovo Laptop I'd like something like the power managment app. Of course the data syncronization HAVE ALWAYS TO STAY TURNED ON regardless the chargin of the battery.
Does it exist somehing like that?
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Andrea
There is a setting that allows for the battery not to recharge when connected to a PC. Other than that, I completely fail to see what would be the purpose of what you are asking.
pedmond said:
There is a setting that allows for the battery not to recharge when connected to a PC. Other than that, I completely fail to see what would be the purpose of what you are asking.
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thanks for your answer! I already know the setting you're talking about, but as I told early I'd like something that manages this setting automatically. The purpose is to avoid the decreasing of the battery lifetime caused by letting the battery itself "always" connected to a charging source. For example in the Laptop PCs it's better to unplug the battery when the laptop is conncted to an external power source/charging unit...
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Andrea
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thanks for your answer! I already know the setting you're talking about, but as I told early I'd like something that manages this setting automatically. The purpose is to avoid the decreasing of the battery lifetime caused by letting the battery itself "always" connected to a charging source. For example in the Laptop PCs it's better to unplug the battery when the laptop is conncted to an external power source/charging unit...
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Andrea
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Most modern devices (and, I believe the HD2) actually disconnect charging when the battery is at 100%. The green light doesn't mean that your HD2 is still charging, but that it's at 100%. Therefore I don't believe you actually shorten the battery life by keeping it plugged in.
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Most modern devices (and, I believe the HD2) actually disconnect charging when the battery is at 100%.
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I did believe it too but I have an app wich monitors the battery temperature and still when the battery charge is 100% its temperature remains "high" (35 grades degrees) as long as I keep the device plugged to the cradle. I see the same temperature value when the battery is actually charging...this fact have made me change my mind about the fact that the HD2 disconnect charghing when 100% is reached...
Its not the battery which is getting hot, it's the phone.
If I had a lithium-poly/ion battery that was reaching 35C I'd be very worried!
If your app is showing the battery at 35C, turn the phone off, remove the battery and it should be cool to the touch.
If it's hot then you have a problem.
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Its not the battery which is getting hot, it's the phone.
If I had a lithium-poly/ion battery that was reaching 35C I'd be very worried!
If your app is showing the battery at 35C, turn the phone off, remove the battery and it should be cool to the touch.
If it's hot then you have a problem.
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you're right, it's the device, not the battery....I'll throw away the temp app!!!
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you're right, it's the device, not the battery....I'll throw away the temp app!!!
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Heat will decrease the life expectancy of the battery, but so will deep charging rather than top ups, remember with non-NiCd batteries you don't get memory effect, so the only reason to do a deep charge is to recalibrate the software battery meter.
Of course leaving the battery sitting on a shelf will also degrade it's capacity, they start to degrade as soon as they're produced, so buying a spare and not using it until your original battery dies is not a good idea, better to buy a replacement battery when the original starts failing.
HTC's batteries actually seem very reasonably priced too which is refreshing.
Hi all.
I've over-discharged my stock battery and now it doesn't charge. It lights up green as soon as I plug the charger. I've tried different chargers but didn't help.
I've made this using short circuit so don't think it's related to Sensation. You may ask why I tought over-discharging may solve the touchscreen issues. Don't know if it's solved because phone doesn't open.
Do you have any advice to restore the battery rather that getting a new battery? I've already ordered new battery though.
Certain laptop battery manufacturers use a circuit which stores battery charge information, but is itself, "kept alive" by the residual current in (even a dead) battery.
I've seen the case on a number of times that discharging below the "allowed" level causes this circuit to fail, thus the communication between battery and device is incorrect, inaccurate or, at worst, not there at all.
(this is why there are more than just + - on your battery)
You could find the correct recharge rate for the battery - current and voltage - and charge it manually, and hope that said 'battery state circuit' comes back to life, but honestly, I think you'll be, as they say, SOL.
I've had perfectly good laptop batteries, holding a full charge, having a great discharge rate, but the laptop would refuse to accept it, just because of this little circuit.
WARNING: Charging / over charging / charging in a way other than in accordance with the original device literature can VERY likely cause the battery to fail completely, including, but not limited to FIRE or EXPLOSION! DO NOT PROCEED UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LiPo (and LiIon for that matter) are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when used wrongly!
All the above said, have fun, don't blow yourself up, and let us know how you get on. Also, from a personal point of view, I'd be interested to know the 'technical reasons' behind the thought that over-discharging could solve the touch-screen problem - can you remember where you got the info originally?
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Hi all.
I've over-discharged my stock battery and now it doesn't charge. It lights up green as soon as I plug the charger. I've tried different chargers but didn't help.
I've made this using short circuit so don't think it's related to Sensation. You may ask why I tought over-discharging may solve the touchscreen issues. Don't know if it's solved because phone doesn't open.
Do you have any advice to restore the battery rather that getting a new battery? I've already ordered new battery though.
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wtf? did you shortcut the battery or the phone? if shortcut the battery it my be blown. Anywyas you could try jump charging it, unplug and plug it in fast, or put it in a outlet which has a switch and try toggling it on and off for some minutes, you may be able to jump it up to the voltage it needs to start charge
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Certain laptop battery manufacturers use a circuit which stores battery charge information, but is itself, "kept alive" by the residual current in (even a dead) battery.
I've seen the case on a number of times that discharging below the "allowed" level causes this circuit to fail, thus the communication between battery and device is incorrect, inaccurate or, at worst, not there at all.
(this is why there are more than just + - on your battery)
You could find the correct recharge rate for the battery - current and voltage - and charge it manually, and hope that said 'battery state circuit' comes back to life, but honestly, I think you'll be, as they say, SOL.
I've had perfectly good laptop batteries, holding a full charge, having a great discharge rate, but the laptop would refuse to accept it, just because of this little circuit.
WARNING: Charging / over charging / charging in a way other than in accordance with the original device literature can VERY likely cause the battery to fail completely, including, but not limited to FIRE or EXPLOSION! DO NOT PROCEED UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LiPo (and LiIon for that matter) are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when used wrongly!
All the above said, have fun, don't blow yourself up, and let us know how you get on. Also, from a personal point of view, I'd be interested to know the 'technical reasons' behind the thought that over-discharging could solve the touch-screen problem - can you remember where you got the info originally?
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This is my second unit and it has touchscreen problems too. I'm not an expert but here is why I did that.
My phone was working normally and had %20 battery left. I went outside and didn't have extra battery or charger so I've used my friend's USB cable and lapto to charge it. After it reached to 44% I unplugged it and saw touchscreen issues started. I've searched and remembered some advices from XDA like discharging and charging may solve it so I gave it a try but it didn't help. Then tried over-discharging and charging but stock here.
What do you mean by charge it manually?
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wtf? did you shortcut the battery or the phone? if shortcut the battery it my be blown. Anywyas you could try jump charging it, unplug and plug it in fast, or put it in a outlet which has a switch and try toggling it on and off for some minutes, you may be able to jump it up to the voltage it needs to start charge
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I did short circuit the battery I know sounds crazy but I'm sick of touchscreen issues. Are you saying that I may try connecting it an appropriate charger's output directly like + > + , - > - ?
I'm saying, chances are, it's wrecked. You shouldn't really discharge batteries by short-circuit - that puts massive stresses on the structure of the cells in the battery and probably completely ruins it.
It can also cause excessive heat, which can lead to nasty things happening.
Recharging the battery by connecting + to + and - to - is theoretically possible, however, to do this SAFELY, you would need to know the manufacturer's recommended charge rate, times, voltages etc. They differ greatly.
Do it too slowly, and you just result in a very inefficient trickle-charge, which can sometimes do more harm than good....
Do it too fast - cells in the battery become gaseous, the gas vents, and you have fiery explosions... also not good.
Seriously - I would strongly recommend against playing with it. If you want to see what CAN happen when it goes wrong, YouTube it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw
Insane amounts of energy stored in these batteries
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I'm saying, chances are, it's wrecked. You shouldn't really discharge batteries by short-circuit - that puts massive stresses on the structure of the cells in the battery and probably completely ruins it.
It can also cause excessive heat, which can lead to nasty things happening.
Recharging the battery by connecting + to + and - to - is theoretically possible, however, to do this SAFELY, you would need to know the manufacturer's recommended charge rate, times, voltages etc. They differ greatly.
Do it too slowly, and you just result in a very inefficient trickle-charge, which can sometimes do more harm than good....
Do it too fast - cells in the battery become gaseous, the gas vents, and you have fiery explosions... also not good.
Seriously - I would strongly recommend against playing with it. If you want to see what CAN happen when it goes wrong, YouTube it!!
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Yesterday I connected the battery which is stock 3.7 V to the my digital camera's charger which is 4.25 V, 0.25 A, 50-60 Hz with cables for 6 hours but didn't work. BTW, stock charger is 5V, 1 A and 50-60 Hz.
Can I try jump charge with this camera's charger? If I can, how fast should I connect and disconnect the cable?
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
It should be noted that the Sensation stock battery is LiIon, rather than LiPo, but the effects can be very similar, and just as disasterous if that happens when your battery is in the vicinity of.... anything!!!
I think it's dead mate =/ but just switch it on and off a couple of times in a second
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I think it's dead mate =/ but just switch it on and off a couple of times in a second
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Couple of times in a second? I'm not a Flash man Or Shelden Cooper
Just tried but didn't work.
Short circuited battery? Hopefully it wasn't in the phone. Battery is dead, get Anker.
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Short circuited battery? Hopefully it wasn't in the phone. Battery is dead, get Anker.
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Already ordered stock battery. When Anker is available to Europe I will order it too.
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Already ordered stock battery. When Anker is available to Europe I will order it too.
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Then buy the chichitek one, it's awesome and lasts just as long as the anker, if not longer, and they ship to europe! i got two chichitek batteries+ charger for 25$ usd inc shipping to norway
Hello everybody!
I have a tranformer tf101 with + / - 6 months of use. After being stopped a few weeks (drained battery) it no longer charge and the system does not recognize the battery. When I plug the charger he starts the boot and not charge the battery. In settings with the battery status is "unknown" and a question mark on top.
I've given a factory reset and nothing. Has also has opened the tablet and unplugged and plugged the battery again. I did a test trying to turn on the device without battery and it turned on like before, like when connected (interrogation and status unknown).
The charger is apparently working, coz is charging dock.
I can not send to warranty because I live in Brazil...
Can anyone give me a light? Have researched a lot and found nothing ...
Thank you all!
Try plugging it into a USB port on your PC and leave it plugged in overnight, turned off.
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Try plugging it into a USB port on your PC and leave it plugged in overnight, turned off.
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thanks for the reply! I've done it, one entire day on energy and other day directly to the USB... But nothing!
Well... It might be possible that the battery is busted from being discharged for so long.
Although... Does it work on battery or does it instantly die when you unplug it?
When I disconnect die instantly! But if is on dock, he stay on
Yeah sounds like the battery is busted then. It works from the dock because the dock acts as a charger for the tablet, just like the 'real' charger.
Strange how a battery with six months of use given problem.
Would if I try to put a higher charge on it (20v) and force her to reactivate might work?
Batteries only last so long, and yours sounds like it is shot.
It's very strange that yours went bad after such a short amount of time.
If the charger charges the dock but not the Transformer, then it's not the charger.
You could possibly buy a replacement battery and perform the surgery yourself.
Other than that, RMAing is the only thing that can be done.
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Software should not be the problem, right?
I'll try to overload the battery to see if she resurrects.
Then post the result!
thanks all for now!
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Strange how a battery with six months of use given problem.
Would if I try to put a higher charge on it (20v) and force her to reactivate might work?
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It not that strange. Its not the age per se thats the issue here - its that it was discharged for so long. Once a battery reaches a certain level, it simply wont charge anymore.
Applying 20v will just blow the fuse in the TF, or worse - fry the whole thing... Dont do that
I read somewhere the fuse blows at 17v or something.
And even if we ignore the tablet for a second, applying higher voltage to the battery will just kill the few cells still alive.
And, in worst case, it can even cause the battery to explode, possibly starting a fire and/or damage a person. Although thats not likely with such a low over-volting as 20v. Im just trying to tell you not to put more voltage on a batter than its designed to get
The only way to 'possibly' repair a dead battery is to trickle-charge it, meaning applying a low voltage over a period of time.
Hello Goatshocker!
This charge 20V must be made directly to the battery and not in TF, it really would kill him! And it would be just a "scare" the battery in about 2 seconds only, the rest of the charge would be normally done after (15v). I've done this with cell phone battery several times!
As the battery is dead it seems, think it's the only option.
But before doing so I'll take you on an assistance to make sure it is the battery.
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And it would be just a "scare" the battery in about 2 seconds only, the rest of the charge would be normally done after (15v). I've done this with cell phone battery several times!
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Ah yes, you are quite correct about that. I completely forgot about that method.
Yes, that might indeed work. But I would only do that as a last-resort, although you seem to be quite out of other alternatives
I took him in an assistance yesterday. Tomorrow should tell me the problem. Depending on the result already do the "scare" on battery.
then put the result here!
I had a similar problem. I tried connecting it to different sockets and it finaly charged.
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I had a similar problem. I tried connecting it to different sockets and it finaly charged.
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whath kind of sockets you used?
Unfortunately, the overcharging did not work! The battery was completely dead, not sure how this is possible! But it's a valuable tip! The battery dock is the same tablet. So I changed them and I was working with the tablet and dock only works on energy.
Can anyone advise me a reliable site to purchase this battery? The model is ASUS C21-EP101
ty all!
Hello everyone and sry if im writting in wrong category.
Today i discharged my phone battery to 0%, and till then i cant turn on phone or charge it back.
Phone is brand new VK WORLD VK700 with 4.4 Android.
Tried charger,nothing happens.
When i try via USB i hear sound on pc for connecting and disconecting device, and that just keep repeating.
Phone dont vibrate or anything.
Phone is as i said new, i take care when connecting charger. Also tryed charger in another phone and it works.
Please help me
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Hello everyone and sry if im writting in wrong category.
Today i discharged my phone battery to 0%, and till then i cant turn on phone or charge it back.
Phone is brand new VK WORLD VK700 with 4.4 Android.
Tried charger,nothing happens.
When i try via USB i hear sound on pc for connecting and disconecting device, and that just keep repeating.
Phone dont vibrate or anything.
Phone is as i said new, i take care when connecting charger. Also tryed charger in another phone and it works.
Please help me
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when you run the battery down to 0, there is always the risk that it will not charge again. batteries have a safety in them, if the charge gets too low, the safety trips, and the battery will not charge again.
unfortunately, you will likely have to buy a new battery.
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when you run the battery down to 0, there is always the risk that it will not charge again. batteries have a safety in them, if the charge gets too low, the safety trips, and the battery will not charge again.
unfortunately, you will likely have to buy a new battery.
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and there is no way to revive battery?
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and there is no way to revive battery?
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there is one way i have heard about, but never tried it.
basically, you need to remove the battery from the phone, then cut the end off a usb cable and expose the 2 charging wires, then touch the power wires to the proper terminals on the battery.
important note, you only want to do this for a couple minutes at a time, then let it rest for a couple minutes. prolonged charging like this could cause the battery to explode, because you dont have the safety regulation thats built into the phone.
you should only have to do this for a couple times, then the battery should be past the low safety level and will charge properly in the phone.
if you want to try it, search youtube for help, i have sen some videos on there about it before.
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