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Custom made Shieldzone body protection for P3600 = $45 - Worth it?

I read about www.Shieldzone.com and their full body protection.
Of course, they dont offer anything for the P3600 out of the box but they are able to custom design a full body protection for $45 within 1-3 business days.
Does anyone know if it is worth paying $45 for this kind of protection? I really dont like silicone cases, since they are too big and collect dust. I have tried numerous leather cases but in the end I simply dont use them since the device inclusive case doesnt fit into my pockets.
Any comments on their products?

If I remember correctly, it isi quite difficult to apply it on. Have you applied a screen protector before? I think a full body shield is.. very much difficult than a screen protector. Anyway, you might want to look at this http://www.skinit.com/, $10 only

hanmin said:
If I remember correctly, it isi quite difficult to apply it on. Have you applied a screen protector before? I think a full body shield is.. very much difficult than a screen protector. Anyway, you might want to look at this http://www.skinit.com/, $10 only
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They would apply the protector on the device, which is included in the $45.
I totally agree, applying a screen protector is difficult enough and a very tedious and I wouldnt want to deal with a full body protector.
The thought of not having to deal with any paint problems and perhaps being able to sell the device scratch free in a years time is quite appealing.
Thanks for the link, I will check them out too!

i've bastardized the 8525 shieldzone skin to use on my 3600. in my opinion, it greatly minimized the "fingerprints" and provides adequate protection for me. i don't really like the rubberized skins. they are not very difficult to apply and can be peeled off when necessary. i wish shieldzone would make a skin for the 3600...

cortezzi said:
i've bastardized the 8525 shieldzone skin to use on my 3600. in my opinion, it greatly minimized the "fingerprints" and provides adequate protection for me. i don't really like the rubberized skins. they are not very difficult to apply and can be peeled off when necessary. i wish shieldzone would make a skin for the 3600...
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Can you plz post pics of the final results on your P3600?? I'm also interested in this skin. I think it's a great idea..
Thanks

I've used them for other devices, they are 100% worth it. They are a bit of a pain to get one but they do work as advertised. They are clear so they show off the device and protect the unit from scratches without adding the bulk of other type of skins since they are very very thin.

Do you know how long the turn around time is since they install it. If all is true then $45 bucks is cheap for the protection that it offers. I am very interested.

turcomora said:
Do you know how long the turn around time is since they install it. If all is true then $45 bucks is cheap for the protection that it offers. I am very interested.
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They told me that an approx. turn around time would be 1-3 business days. You have to add shipping times for both ways to it, which depends on location and shipping service you choose. So, I guess a far assumption would be to have the unit back within 10-12 business days if you ship via UPS ground.
Also, the $45 price quote does not include shipping charges. So, it is quite expensive to simply protect the device against scratches.
Perhaps anyone can post some pictures of the protection applied?

So what if I need to change my sim or take my battery off?

turcomora said:
So what if I need to change my sim or take my battery off?
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Good point

I would think that they are installing the shield on each part individually, hence you have up to 7 different pieces to apply to the unit. Subsequently there shouldnt be a problem to reach the SIM or battery, etc.

Maybe there's someone who lives in the area can take their unit in or get a dealer to drop one off for a fitting. Once they make a custom one, they sell to others. With that said, I think it's pretty bad business on their part, you'd think they'd be willing to do the first one for any device free knowing they will be able to sell others based off their template.

shoey5 said:
Maybe there's someone who lives in the area can take their unit in or get a dealer to drop one off for a fitting. Once they make a custom one, they sell to others. With that said, I think it's pretty bad business on their part, you'd think they'd be willing to do the first one for any device free knowing they will be able to sell others based off their template.
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Good idea!

Hi guys,
Sorry for dredging up an old thread but I just wanted to add my piece as someone who has had one of these shields before (on an HTC Prophet).
They are very very good, and you really can scratch away at the device with keys / brick wall etc and it doesn't scratch (obviously not something you would want to do on purpose)! The application is tricky but very doable, and should your protector ever become creased or damaged you can have it replaced for free, for life.
The turnaround time is quick, no more than 5 business days, but I'm in the UK so when I sent mine off for a custom shield I got hammered on the return for customs duty etc - a nasty shock. That's the only reason I wouldn't get a custom shield made up for my P3600. Let me know if you do though as I will be hot on your heels ordering one!
On my Prophet, you could see the edges of the protector in places, as they have to make the shield up in sections so it can be curved around the top of your phone etc - can't see any way they could apply it in a single sheet. This was not a big issue on the Prophet, and looks a million times better than covering up your device with a silicon case or whatever.
I'm guessing that the edges of the protector will be less visible on the P3600 as it is already shiny, where the Prophet was matte. The shield will not cover the buttons and camera on your phone. In 18months my Prophet did not pick up one scratch, despite being dropped on concrete and in a pocket with keys, which is a good selling point in my mind!
As for the cost, $45 is more than a case / screen protector, but these things protect the device for it's entire life, and even if you don't like parts of the protector, you can always take those parts off (with the risk of them not being protected) and leave on the parts that you do like. Some protection is definitely better than none anyway! You'll probably find that you leave the whole thing on though!
As I said, drop me a line if you get a custom one made up as that will mean that poor UK based P3600 owners like myself should be able to follow up and order one without sending our devices in!
Good luck!
Mark.

Yes please, if anyone takes the plunge please advice!!
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Looks like that they finally sell a body shield for the P3600:
http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/HTCP3600.html
Now, the question is whether this is only a screen protector or a full body protector? Its not very clear according to the description.

MrTW said:
Looks like that they finally sell a body shield for the P3600:
http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/HTCP3600.html
Now, the question is whether this is only a screen protector or a full body protector? Its not very clear according to the description.
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That's just a screen protector. It says at the top of the picture.
I've gotten these put on for a Wizard and Hermes and would not go without them. I, like most, don't like bulky covers on an already large phone.
As mentioned, they come in several different parts and don't block access to anything that needs opening or the like.
I'm also just a stones throw away from their corporate office. I've had them apply the skins for me (just $10 extra) and they've told me that they'll make a custom skin for any device that's brought to them for an extra charge of only $10 or $15 more. But, once they create the template, they hang onto it so they won't charge the next guy for the custom job.
All in all, I think they're probably the best choice to protect your device.
Just a little first-hand input for ya.

come on - someone in the US can order one if it means that I can order one to be delivered to Europe. I'll pay $10 of the $15 say extra dollars once I can have one shipped
(The full body protector).

nealed said:
come on - someone in the US can order one if it means that I can order one to be delivered to Europe. I'll pay $10 of the $15 say extra dollars once I can have one shipped
(The full body protector).
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Sorry, I don't quite follow your meaning. Can you clarify?

MrTW said:
Looks like that they finally sell a body shield for the P3600:
http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/HTCP3600.html
Now, the question is whether this is only a screen protector or a full body protector? Its not very clear according to the description.
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Says right on the page that it's a screen protector ("Screen Shield") not a full body protector.

Cases and Protection

I am a week from having the cash to pick up an N1. I know there have been a lot of threads about cases, but I wanted to outline some of my thoughts and get opinions before I make my purchase. In addition, it is a little scary to hear reports of the phone getting broken easily: truth or not.
My problem is that I am a pocket phone holder. I do not wear belts often and when I do I am loaded with badges and other junk. Although I could hostler it, I already feel like batman without the fancy costume, and when I am not at work the hostler would not be an option.
So my plan is:
1. Get one of the plastic skins. My first choice is Clear Coat (new user so I cannot provide link). Most of these products appear to be the same, and although Clear Coat skins appear to have gaps and not fit as well as other brands, they have an installation guarantee. This is mainly to help the screen, but I will get full body to avoid scratches elsewhere.
2. Get a thin Silicon Gel Case. My theory is the gel will assist with gripping the device and absorb the shock from falls should they happen. This should also assist the clear coat skin against scratches to the body.
3. Get some sort of hard case to slip it into when I put it in my pocket. Since I normally carry my phone there, I am worried about the mysterious screen crackings which could be related to stress applied to the device when you sit and such. Hopefully a hard case will protect against this.
So, this is probably a little overkill, but am I completely insane?
My current phone is the T-mobile Shadow, which is a very cheap HTC phone with a plastic screen. I have had it for almost 2 years and have kept it in pretty good condition. I have 1 ding from accidentally placing it in the same pocket as my keys, and some major scratches when I had the genus idea of putting it in a ziplock bag when I went to Seaworld (well it did stay dry).
This is the most expensive phone I will have ever owned with only an very old world PDA being the most expensive mobile device. My wife is not exactly happy with me for spending this kind of money, and just seeing phones for calling people. As such, I am trying to make sure she cannot point a finger at a precaution I did not take: in addition to my own paranoia from reading the "I am having problems" forum on Google's site.
So, from the view point of people who have had other devices like this, am I being too worried or do these sound like reasonable precautions for this kind of device?
The information on these forums have been wonderful. Thanks for all the help!

I'm not sure what skin the last poster has used that yellowed, but I've used InvisibleSHIELD and Clear Protector, and they were still crystal clear after almost a year.

fujitsupalm said:
just gonna add one more here which is my favourite off all time, leather cases..
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I have looked at these, but did not see this one. How stiff is the case? The leather looks pliable, and I want to prevent any bending of the phone.
I was looking at the flip open ones, but those seem too bulky. Also many of the pictures of these seem to have the phone photoshopped in, which makes me nervious. Hate the white thread too, but I could deal with that.
As for the invisible shield skins, did you have them actually tint the phone, or just - when applied - appear to be yellow? I have seen many reviews of these even over months of time and never heard this mentioned. Although I would be nervous about it permanently tinting the phone, if it just appears yellow when on then its worth a try since they can be removed. I know they are a pain to install, but I hate static protectors and really want something on the screen.

Thanks, fujitsupalm.
I saw your post in another thread. I think I might be leaning toward the flip on you posted pics of. How bulky is that? Does it interfer with the use of the screen?
I will probably get the flip or book version (wish it would let me post links), and get an invisible shield for the screen. It is humid here too, so I might have the same issue. However, if I can just remove it then its worth a shot.

Hate my InvisiShield!!

So here in Las Vegas there is a Zagg store. Based on everyone's recommendation I decided to get a Zagg InvisiShield for my phone. I picked up 2 or 3 of the demo phones and was like hey this doesn't feel stick or tacky like everyone said it would!
So i look at the prices:
Zagg Full Body Skin $21
Installation $12 includes free Zagg microfiber bag.
So I decided to say OK, Ill let them install it so if they screw something up they can fix it on the spot. The fate of my phone is in their hands. I go to the counter and they tell me come back in 30 minutes.
So i am roaming around the mall, spending money on other crap I don't need. 30 minutes later I go back and pick up my phone. The moment I pick it up i am like WTF! Phone feels like its wrapped in a used condom!
I ask the sales associate why it doesn't feel like the "demo" phone and he goes ohhh that's the wrong one out there. That phone was put out there to show all the scratches on it. I go grab the demo phone and go dude where are the scratches on this thing!! There were none I was FURIOUS!!!!!!!!!!
So needless to say I have this $40+ dollar Zagg POS on my phone and I am really hating it, but I cant bring myself to tear it off and lose my $40. I don't know what to do.
Things I immediately noticed for those of you who want to know what to expect from a Zagg InvisiShield.
1. Tacky Tacky Tacky - Phone feels like it wrapped in a used condom
2. Screen Resolution - This thing KILLS the look of the screen. Looks like a TV wrapped in Saran Wrap
3. Exposed corners - the skin doesn't even cover the corners of the phone. If on an you drop it on a corner edge you will dent the case easily
4. Feel - The edges of each individual piece don't line up properly on the phone, the screen protector is off to one side a little and the other pieces on the skin don't line up. This makes it so the edges of each piece you can really FEEL. It really ruins it.
5. The edges also give the edges of the touch screen a rough edge that you can easily see over the black sections of the digitizer.
I will try and get some photos tonight of everything I am talking about. All in all i am VERY unhappy with the Zagg.
So the question is do I take it off and deal with no protection, or say screw it and leave it on?

As for the way the screen looks and the tackiness, that will change over time. The screen should clear up in a couple days. The tackiness goes away the more you handle the phone... the oils from your hands will change the feel over time and make it very smooth in comparison to what it feels like right now. On my G1, I can honestly say it took a few weeks of normal use and the tackiness was gone... you just have to give this time.
As for the edges and corners... well that's why I would personally go for the BSE skin... they did a much better job of covering the corners properly. If the installation on some of the pieces is out of alignment, I'd take it back and tell them to redo it properly.

There would be no way for them to actually DO that. Looking at the piece you can clearly see some are too small for the areas they are trying to cover.
Ill give the skin a few weeks and see how it feels.
For those of you interested here are some photos from the other thread that explain what I mean PERFECTLY
http://adambuckeridge.com/nexus-one/zagg-nexus-one

Well, as far as the screen protector size... EVERY stick-on protector is short. I'm guessing they all used the same template before the phone came out and are too lazy to change it.

I thought it was supposed to be invisible?

On all my previous phone, 4 so far, i used Invisible Shield, all installed on my own, and had always recommended it frens. So naturally i ordered InvisibleShield before i ordered my N1.
Previously InvisibleShield shipping was fast, this time round Nexus One came first and the shield came nearly 2 weeks after that. I never use the phone till the shield came, since i still had my old phone.
The InvisibleShield was PITA to install, the corners was not covered (as usual), the fit sucks!, Alot of big gaps here and there, i tried installing it 4-5 times, no matter how i tried i was not happy with the fit and quality.
So i return them for a refund, I needed a skin badly so i google around and read on several forums to find a better replacement.
I found BestSkinsEver, read alot of gd reviews on it, but was skeptical since the price was way cheaper then other full body skin out there.
When it arrives, i was abit disappointed. It came in a small envelope, whereas Zagg came with cardboard box with application pad and stuff. So i followed the online instruction on how to install BSE, i was amaze at how easy it was to install!
Other then mixing your own application liquid, the fit was great. I installed it once and it fit perfect!!! Very minimal bubbles, all the corners were covered!!! I did not use the screen protector though, since i prefered matt ones, easier to use Swype with.
Its been more then a month since i used BSE, still looks great. Corners not lifting, no signs of dirt trap on the sides, a prob i use always have with Zagg.
I highly recommend BSE, cheaper, fits great, cover corners, easy to install and also very enviromental friendly shipping package.

ur meant to leave it overnight after applying the skin

jcohenlv said:
So here in Las Vegas there is a Zagg store. Based on everyone's recommendation I decided to get a Zagg InvisiShield for my phone. I picked up 2 or 3 of the demo phones and was like hey this doesn't feel stick or tacky like everyone said it would!
So i look at the prices:
Zagg Full Body Skin $21
Installation $12 includes free Zagg microfiber bag.
So I decided to say OK, Ill let them install it so if they screw something up they can fix it on the spot. The fate of my phone is in their hands. I go to the counter and they tell me come back in 30 minutes.
So i am roaming around the mall, spending money on other crap I don't need. 30 minutes later I go back and pick up my phone. The moment I pick it up i am like WTF! Phone feels like its wrapped in a used condom!
I ask the sales associate why it doesn't feel like the "demo" phone and he goes ohhh that's the wrong one out there. That phone was put out there to show all the scratches on it. I go grab the demo phone and go dude where are the scratches on this thing!! There were none I was FURIOUS!!!!!!!!!!
So needless to say I have this $40+ dollar Zagg POS on my phone and I am really hating it, but I cant bring myself to tear it off and lose my $40. I don't know what to do.
Things I immediately noticed for those of you who want to know what to expect from a Zagg InvisiShield.
1. Tacky Tacky Tacky - Phone feels like it wrapped in a used condom
2. Screen Resolution - This thing KILLS the look of the screen. Looks like a TV wrapped in Saran Wrap
3. Exposed corners - the skin doesn't even cover the corners of the phone. If on an you drop it on a corner edge you will dent the case easily
4. Feel - The edges of each individual piece don't line up properly on the phone, the screen protector is off to one side a little and the other pieces on the skin don't line up. This makes it so the edges of each piece you can really FEEL. It really ruins it.
5. The edges also give the edges of the touch screen a rough edge that you can easily see over the black sections of the digitizer.
I will try and get some photos tonight of everything I am talking about. All in all i am VERY unhappy with the Zagg.
So the question is do I take it off and deal with no protection, or say screw it and leave it on?
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100% spot on.
I just bought the screen shield part, and it looked like goat crap, and it wass tacky as hell. The fit was poor because it's too floppy to align, the bubbles that are supposed to go away after 24 hours didn't and there were areas around the edges that didn't stay down.
I hated it, ripped it off the phone after the 25th hour and I'll badmouth those crappy shields for the rest of my life, or until I can't remember what a Nexus One was anymore. A warranty of a lifetime replacement of goat poop is worthless to me. It was a complete waste of my time and money.
I ended up buying a Seidio case for it - it's nice and easy to remove. I will look into another brand of screen protector. I don't care if they don't last forever - if it goes a day without looking like crap it's way ahead of a Zagg. I guess when it looks that bad to begin with, you can't really tell when it's degrading too easily.
Bottom line - and I have seen a lot of them since, is that they are ALL tacky, they ALL look like crap and the ALL introduce tons of artifacts to the screen.
Buyer beware - there is no money back on these.
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I did. It was still an awful pile of crap on my screen after 24 hours - and I let it sit. It was the first time I didn't have to charge a battery in a while.
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I thought it was supposed to be invisible?
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That was a joke, right?

Meh. Zagg makes good products overall... But the FIT on the N1 is absolutely atrocious. I will gladly buy a custom zaggskin if they can get a proper fit... I just emailed them to request information on possible plans to change their design for better corner coverage, or any other options they might be able to offer.
I'm not expecting anything in regards to getting a skin from them... But I'll hope nonetheless. (I would buy BSE, but I'd REALLY love to have a custom design if Zagg can answer my request.)

uansari1 said:
As for the way the screen looks and the tackiness, that will change over time. The screen should clear up in a couple days. The tackiness goes away the more you handle the phone... the oils from your hands will change the feel over time and make it very smooth in comparison to what it feels like right now. On my G1, I can honestly say it took a few weeks of normal use and the tackiness was gone... you just have to give this time.
As for the edges and corners... well that's why I would personally go for the BSE skin... they did a much better job of covering the corners properly. If the installation on some of the pieces is out of alignment, I'd take it back and tell them to redo it properly.
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Should and does are two different things. I've seen lots of them on iphones, and they all look like crap, all of them with some bubbling under gooey, sticky plastic and no small amount of screen distortion. After I bought mine, I inspected installations of Zagg at Best Buy where I bought it - guess what? There were about a half dozen of them on test phone and they were all tacky. According to the resident geek, most of them were on there for well over a couple of weeks. The tackiness may diminish somewhat over time, but it will never be gone. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.
I think the reason these are so over-hyped is because people feel like they were fools for spending upwards of $15.00 for a cheap chunk of stamped plastic that performs so poorly, so they promote them instead. What a crock.

I bought one for my Zune 120 and installed the back and didn't bother installing the rest of it. Ended up taking it off the back. I will never buy any more of these "cover all" device covers again.

another thing that that might not be evident right away is that crud sticks to the outer edges of these types of screen protectors i had this on two non touch screen phones and didn't mind it except for the gummy crap that i'd be peeling away from the edges all the time.

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Should and does are two different things. I've seen lots of them on iphones, and they all look like crap, all of them with some bubbling under gooey, sticky plastic and no small amount of screen distortion. After I bought mine, I inspected installations of Zagg at Best Buy where I bought it - guess what? There were about a half dozen of them on test phone and they were all tacky. According to the resident geek, most of them were on there for well over a couple of weeks. The tackiness may diminish somewhat over time, but it will never be gone. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.
I think the reason these are so over-hyped is because people feel like they were fools for spending upwards of $15.00 for a cheap chunk of stamped plastic that performs so poorly, so they promote them instead. What a crock.
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Ok, then allow me to clarify. It DOES clear up if you install it properly. I've been using Zagg or Zagg-like products since I had my T-mobile Dash. It's just like installing window tint... if you're completely haphazard with it, it will look like crap. But in all the ones I've applied, they've all LOOKED great, aside from the orange peel effect that's evident on just about all the skin-type products. The best that I have used thus far is Clear Protector. I've had their screen protector on my G1 for almost 9 months and it looks perfect still.
Also, it (and the others) was tacky coming from just the glass screen at first. Over time the CP on the G1 has gotten MUCH smoother and less sticky. I suspect a small amount of this change is really just me getting used to the film and forgetting how smooth the glass is on its own (I remember when I took the last Zagg off my G1 prior to the CP and being surprised at how much more slick it felt), but I have compared it to one of my fresher installs and there's a noticeable difference.
Anyway, my main point is that you're right about the tackiness never completely going away, but wrong about the screen looking like crap after the install has settled. If it still looks like crap after a few days, then the installer screwed up.

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Anyway, my main point is that you're right about the tackiness never completely going away, but wrong about the screen looking like crap after the install has settled. If it still looks like crap after a few days, then the installer screwed up.
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Well, it's evident that it's pretty damn easy to screw up, because every installation I have seen looks screwed up. Even if there were no bubbles, the screen look mottled and distorted. And if you look closely enough, there are always bubbles.
As far as my own experience goes, I didn't just "haphazardly" apply it - I followed the directions supplied with it to a T.
That "orange peel effect" you refer to is NOT on all screen protectors - this isn't my first go 'round with screen protectors.
The Zagg product is just a lousy, crappy, overpriced, poorly engineered product, and I don't know how anyone being objective could think otherwise. The fact that a company provides no avenue for refund is very telling about their product. Effectively, there is no satisfaction guarantee - a guaranteed lifetime supply of goat dung isn't satisfaction.

uansari1 said:
you're ... wrong about the screen looking like crap after the install has settled. If it still looks like crap after a few days, then the installer screwed up.
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Uh, can I point out here that "looks like crap" is completely subjective? You may have been happy with it but I was never very happy with mine. The fact is the thing is not completely "invisible" - the orange peel effect is very noticeable and it's going to be up to each individual user to determine how acceptable that is. I thought it looked like ass, myself.
Frankly, I was just thoroughly unhappy with the Zagg Invisible Shield. The whole-body protector was utter sh*t, with the corners peeling up left and right, and gunk getting under all the corners making them impossible to stick back down (not to mention the large gaps at the corners), and even the screen protector got lint and dust under the edges, bubbling it up. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so outrageously expensive and unable to be removed and re-applied.

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Well, it's evident that it's pretty damn easy to screw up, because every installation I have seen looks screwed up. Even if there were no bubbles, the screen look mottled and distorted. And if you look closely enough, there are always bubbles.
As far as my own experience goes, I didn't just "haphazardly" apply it - I followed the directions supplied with it to a T.
That "orange peel effect" you refer to is NOT on all screen protectors - this isn't my first go 'round with screen protectors.
The Zagg product is just a lousy, crappy, overpriced, poorly engineered product, and I don't know how anyone being objective could think otherwise. The fact that a company provides no avenue for refund is very telling about their product. Effectively, there is no satisfaction guarantee - a guaranteed lifetime supply of goat dung isn't satisfaction.
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While I agree, Zagg isn't the best out there, I can guarantee there are at least a couple that are worse! Anyway, there is enough competition and alternatives to never have to buy either of those brands, including Zagg.
binary visions said:
Uh, can I point out here that "looks like crap" is completely subjective? You may have been happy with it but I was never very happy with mine. The fact is the thing is not completely "invisible" - the orange peel effect is very noticeable and it's going to be up to each individual user to determine how acceptable that is. I thought it looked like ass, myself.
Frankly, I was just thoroughly unhappy with the Zagg Invisible Shield. The whole-body protector was utter sh*t, with the corners peeling up left and right, and gunk getting under all the corners making them impossible to stick back down (not to mention the large gaps at the corners), and even the screen protector got lint and dust under the edges, bubbling it up. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so outrageously expensive and unable to be removed and re-applied.
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I agree with your initial comment... and on a continuum of various subjective outcomes, I'd hardly say Zagg looks like crap. Ghost Armor is the worst I've found....yellowing after only a couple months. I'm sure others are also pretty crappy in comparison since the number of knockoffs is staggering. That being said, there are many products superior to the Zagg as well. Clear Protector, PhantomSkinz, BSE, etc.
I should clarify, contrary to what it seems you guys think, that I was never totally happy with the InvisibleSHIELD. I much preferred the Clear Protector on my G1...and on my N1, I am thoroughly happy with the dcmugen88 static screen protectors. So if I came off as a gung-ho Zagg fan... I'm not. I do think they're overpriced (seriously, $15 for just a screen protector is retarded), and there are better alternatives for less.
The point I was trying to get across, which everyone seems hellbent on disputing is that how good you are at installing makes a difference, sometimes all the difference. I can install at least the screen protector portions of these skin-type products with my eyes closed and the next day you won't even see them on there...I'm sure others can too cuz it's not rocketscience. On the other hand, I'm sure some of you don't have the patience or skill to get it looking that good either... just the way things are. That's all I'm saying. Anyway, if you guys want a great screen protector, I've been saying for over a month to go with dcmugen88... exactly the same as the Seidio product at a fraction of the price...or if you want a skin, get the BSE (Best Skins Ever) product. Paul22000's installation pics are proof positive that it's the best skin for our phones.

Well, I stand corrected. Evidently, there is an avenue for a partial refund. I say partial because the buyer is on the hook for shipping the entire package back to Zagg, and that's not free. You also need to get it done within 45 days and have your original sales receipt.
In the end, you can get SOME money back in exchange for a boatload more effort than it's worth. Still, I'd rather give the post office some money and Zagg zip, zilch, nada - so I'll be enduring the aggravation of the pursuit of a refund on general principle.
Update: After two days, I got an email back from Zagg effectively saying they don't refund items they didn't sell directly. This is not a returnable item from the retailer I bought it from - so I am back to getting even more camel dung for my money - or nothing. I choose nothing and a lesson learned.

attn1 said:
That was a joke, right?
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Of course, but but someone was bound to say it.

rotohammer said:
Of course, but but someone was bound to say it.
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Well, you forgot to say "bazinga!"

Ok so its been 4 days ......
Case is still Tacky, not as bad as day 1 but still tacky!
Orange peel effect on the screen has not cleared up!
Dust and gunk are starting to build up on the edges and its been in the micro fiber bag since I bought it..... what a POS.
If you say the orange peel affect is from "poor installation" I will laugh my butt off. This was installed BY A ZAGG REP IN A ZAGG STORE! So don't give me crap about "poor installation"
I have decided to make a compromise on this. I am going to keep the full body and just replace the screen protector portion of it. I cant stand the way it affects the way it makes the screen more difficult to type on. So now I am looking for a good CLEAR screen protector.
Any recommendations?

Gorilla Glass my Arse!

OK, just noticed a bloody scratch on the phone. It's in my pocket (on it's own, nothing EVER goes in the same pocket as my phone) and when not in my pocket it's face up on my desk at work or on the coffee table at home so I've no idea how it happened
Would anyone here look to get it replaced as I'm tempted to?

Gorilla Glass is simply not scratch proof
Compared to other screens(displays) it is more durable, but it is still possible to brake and/or scratch it.

If I was within my 14 days I'd return it, they didn't check any of the phones I returned for scratches and what not...just for the problems I stated.

Axxess said:
Gorilla Glass is simply not scratch proof
Compared to other screens(displays) it is more durable, but it is still possible to brake and/or scratch it.
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Then why do shops/operators say it will stop scratches? My Desire has lasted 14 months without a scratch, albeit in a case with a screen protector. I've not got one yet for the Sensation as of this Gorilla Glass thing.
I'm gonna go see if I can get it exchanged as otherwise the phone has been perfect

EddyOS said:
OK, just noticed a bloody scratch on the phone. It's in my pocket (on it's own, nothing EVER goes in the same pocket as my phone) and when not in my pocket it's face up on my desk at work or on the coffee table at home so I've no idea how it happened
Would anyone here look to get it replaced as I'm tempted to?
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is your screen flat or do the edges curve up?

@EddyOS
HTC (or any other manufacturer tells operators "extremely high durability"
Most of them (80%) do understand that as : unbreakable,unscratchable , anti-fingerprints but this is simply not true. (Smart step form HTC )
as for the people who sell the phones. They are just simple sales man they mostly don't even know how phones hardware works or in this case what Gorilla glass is.
They have only one goal : To sell handsets

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@EddyOS
HTC (or any other manufacturer tells operators "extremely high durability"
Most of them (80%) do understand that as : unbreakable,unscratchable , anti-fingerprints but this is simply not true. (Smart step form HTC )
as for the people who sell the phones. They are just simple sales man they mostly don't even know how phones hardware works or in this case what Gorilla glass is.
They have only one goal : To sell handsets
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I know that! I wasn't conned into buying the phone but even the Gorilla Glass website says that it should withstand a bit of fluff (or whatever has managed to get onto the screen of my phone). I have had a lot of phones and always do my research before getting one and, as it happens, I won this Sensation.
As for screen itself, it is contoured as it should be but regardless the screen is ALWAYS face up so it shouldn't matter

Maybe they upgrade it to King Kong glass instead of Gorilla.
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zepp3lin said:
Maybe they upgrade it to King Kong glass instead of Gorilla.
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HaHaHa
Seriously, though, I can't see how this has happened as I'm anal about my phones so I wouldn't have let this happen. All other users, take heed and get a screen protector/case if you've not got one already

Gorilla glass is brilliant imo but its not bomb proof. I have the slightest little scratch on my screen but I dread to think what it would be like with normal glass. But I was still disappointed, so now iv found some good screen protectors and all of a sudden aswell as protection, I can't even see the scratch anymore.
Also got some displex just incase
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EddyOS said:
Then why do shops/operators say it will stop scratches? My Desire has lasted 14 months without a scratch, albeit in a case with a screen protector. I've not got one yet for the Sensation as of this Gorilla Glass thing.
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Incidentally the Desire has Gorilla Glass as well. I'm doing the same thing here, the Desire had an invisishield and I'm going bare with the Sensation.
I'm sure I'll manage to scratch it, I just hope it will take a while...
BTW, I think both of us won the Sensation on the same forum competition

lysergic said:
Incidentally the Desire has Gorilla Glass as well. I'm doing the same thing here, the Desire had an invisishield and I'm going bare with the Sensation.
I'm sure I'll manage to scratch it, I just hope it will take a while...
BTW, I think both of us won the Sensation on the same forum competition
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Vodafone forum yeah? I've emailed them to see if they can do anything as I'm not exactly happy it's happened in 2 weeks seeing as my Desire is fine over a year from purchase. If they DO sort it out I'll get a screen protector as I did for my Desire. Just wish HTC would release a pull tab leather pouch as I always like to use OEM gear

EddyOS said:
My Desire has lasted 14 months without a scratch, albeit in a case with a screen protector
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A phone with a screen protector on hasn't got any scratches? Who'd have thought.....
And just to reiterate what has been said, Gorilla Glass is not scratch proof, just less susceptible to them.

Heheh
They should put bulletproof glass .. but it still wont be unscratchable

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A phone with a screen protector on hasn't got any scratches? Who'd have thought.....
And just to reiterate what has been said, Gorilla Glass is not scratch proof, just less susceptible to them.
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Yeah I know, but it was 2 months before I had the protector in the same circumstances as the Sensation so I'm just a little disappointed it's got the scratch. Will see what Vodafone say otherwise it'll be claimed on the insurance (should get an unbranded model that way)

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Vodafone forum yeah? I've emailed them to see if they can do anything as I'm not exactly happy it's happened in 2 weeks seeing as my Desire is fine over a year from purchase. If they DO sort it out I'll get a screen protector as I did for my Desire. Just wish HTC would release a pull tab leather pouch as I always like to use OEM gear
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As a fellow scouser and vodafone migrent i feel compelled to help.
I got my Sensation from their forum for an early upgrade all went well, the first 2 and a half weeks i had that screen problem where it wouldnt unlock.
i contacted the forum and they took too long to respond, so I took a step to call 191, they where fantastic, despite it being way out of the 7day cool off by about 10 days they exchanged it with out fuss.
my advice would be to call them and not use the forum as they are very slow to respond, and when calling do not mention a scratch, they will deem this as your fault so use the 'my screen is not working properly, when i touch it, 2 out of 5 presses are not registered'
i am 95% positive that way you will have a new phone by the end of next week!
edit: just realised you have insurance, I didnt so I am even more positive they will exchange it!

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Yeah I know, but it was 2 months before I had the protector in the same circumstances as the Sensation so I'm just a little disappointed it's got the scratch. Will see what Vodafone say otherwise it'll be claimed on the insurance (should get an unbranded model that way)
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You will probably find the scratch is on the anti-glare/anti-fingerprint coating on the screen rather than the glass, assuming it has that coating on the gorilla glass like the GS2 has.
Let's be honest, a small scratch caused by yourself isn't really a justifiable reason for swapping a phone, unless you lie Vodafone will refuse it. And that goes double for the insurance.

Pagnell said:
You will probably find the scratch is on the anti-glare/anti-fingerprint coating on the screen rather than the glass, assuming it has that coating on the gorilla glass like the GS2 has.
Let's be honest, a small scratch caused by yourself isn't really a justifiable reason for swapping a phone, unless you lie Vodafone will refuse it. And that goes double for the insurance.
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But it wasn't caused by myself. I treat my phones like the most precious thing in my life, polishing it every other time I use it to remove finger prints/grease, etc. It lives alone in my pocket when moving between sites otherwise it's on my desk or coffee table with nothing else around it so I just can't see what scratched it.
Since I've had the phone I've even turned my pockets inside out to check for debris as I didn't wanna scratch it until I'd got a case. I'll see what Vodafone say and go from there. See Martin Fields have released a screen protector so I'll get one ASAP as it was perfect on my Desire

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But it wasn't caused by myself. I treat my phones like the most precious thing in my life, polishing it every other time I use it to remove finger prints/grease, etc. It lives alone in my pocket when moving between sites otherwise it's on my desk or coffee table with nothing else around it so I just can't see what scratched it.
Since I've had the phone I've even turned my pockets inside out to check for debris as I didn't wanna scratch it until I'd got a case. I'll see what Vodafone say and go from there. See Martin Fields have released a screen protector so I'll get one ASAP as it was perfect on my Desire
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Unless it was on the phone when you bought it, it was caused by yourself, even if you can't think of an explanation of how it happened.
I know how you feel, I have a tiny scratch on my GS2 which also has GG and I can't think for the life of me how it happened -- I put a screen protector on it two days after getting it and changed it for a better protector about a week ago. While changing the protectors I noticed the scratch which could have only happened in the first two days while I was treating it like gold dust. Luckily, it's so small it can't be seen through the screen protector so I'm not bothered about changing it.

guys take a look at this link gorilla glass my a$$ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821129

[VIDEO] Installation of ZAGG InvisibleSHIELD HD for the Samsung Galaxy S4

Anytime I purchase a new phone, it is the time to put on a new ZAGG. I'm willing to try out other brands, but of course this is the usual in your face brand available at many local retailers.
Best Buy was ready with a complete line from original to smudge proof to high definition. They didn't have the front and back which is pretty common. ZAGG's site never seems to list every combination available either.
Anyways since running one of my Note 2's naked to prove a point, I've gone back to putting something on a new phone shortly after unboxing it. I don't care how many Youtube videos there are about Gorilla Glass this or that. A nice pair of keys or some good ole American currency in the form of coins seems to be a powerful combination against a phone.
S4 Related Stuff
Trident Aegis Series Case - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2271946
ExoGear ExoMount Tablet S Dashboard Mount - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2271890
Incipio DualPro SHINE (Silicrylic) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2255790
Seidio Surface Case (Platinum PT @ Best Buy) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2264686
ZAGG InvisibleSHIELD Install - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2255755
Install Adobe Flash - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2257942
Setup AT&T Visual Voicemail (not messages) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyuUyZ2nxYs
Setup Google Voice - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyuUyZ2nxYs
TV Remote Demonstration - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ltlo0UNfuA
SpeedTest in Houston Medical Center vs HTC One (AT&T) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxqzlkGfjkw
Galaxy S4 vs HTC One vs Nexus 4 vs Note 2 Quadrant Benchmark Test - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYesuj-7ac
Unboxing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnUlkKMfsrw

Just my opinion but if you are recording a video of a screen protector installation and you cut out the tough/problem moments (at 4:13, 4:36, and 6:00), it makes the video less helpful. I personally would rather watch a longer video and see how you deal with the tough moments instead of you cutting them out since that makes the installation seem easier than it actually is to put on.
Of course that's just my opinion, trying to give constructive criticism to help with future videos, feel free to throw it in the trash if it doesn't help at all or I'm just talking crazy

There really weren't any issues. I did cut some of the constant squeegee moments out IIRC. Use application fluid liberally and go to town.
Thanks for the feedback though. I'll make a version where I don't remove a second for you to look at.
I'll also be sure to watch your videos for guidance in the future. Just post an example here.
EDIT: 4:13 just pull it up to align it better. Just like starting all over again. 4:16 I let go of it once it was visually aligned. 6:00 probably should have shown more but just used the squeegee a lot. When you use liberal amounts of application fluid, it makes alignment easy. You just have more to squeegee.
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Here's that 46 seconds I cut out....
Enjoy!

Not sure you read the manual but you were suppose to turn the phone off and let it be off like 12 hour for the water and bubble to go away. And also not really good to spray right on the phone as it goes into the holes. Its right in the manual. I just installed the non HD but i think the HD might look even better. SGP is the best to be honest but for the time being i use this until i get a hold of Spigen .

Not sure if you listened to the video, but I talked about that for 30 to 45 seconds.
I keep it on to check for dust trapped in there.
Premium phones aren't too hydrophobic. If you choose to spray directly, pay attention when you in squeegee.
If you want someone's real feedback who has installed them several times with no dust trapped in between layers and no bubbles, watch the video. If you want to read a manual... Read the manual. Any company that did suggest you to spray the device would have a huge liability for doing so. No company in their right mind would even hint at it.
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Not sure if you listened to the video, but I talked about that for 30 to 45 seconds.
I keep it on to check for dust trapped in there.
Premium phones aren't too hydrophobic. If you choose to spray directly, pay attention when you in squeegee.
If you want someone's real feedback who has installed them several times with no dust trapped in between layers and no bubbles, watch the video. If you want to read a manual... Read the manual. Any company that did suggest you to spray the device would have a huge liability for doing so. No company in their right mind would even hint at it.
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They dont recommend it for a good reason! And you spray it right into the speaker even which is not ok. Sure you dont get dust or bubble but is that primary concern? Still when you put something like this some people will take it as its ok to do so and might end up damaging their phone.
And saying in the video if you get away with it is pretty stupid phrasing, what does that mean even? Do you mean its luck so take a gamble with your brand new phone? If you dont this many times than you should know better

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They dont recommend it for a good reason! And you spray it right into the speaker even which is not ok. Sure you dont get dust or bubble but is that primary concern? Still when you put something like this some people will take it as its ok to do so and might end up damaging their phone.
And saying in the video if you get away with it is pretty stupid phrasing, what does that mean even? Do you mean its luck so take a gamble with your brand new phone? If you dont this many times than you should know better
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Spend your life reading manuals. Obviously you didn't need to watch the video, and obviously you didn't originally or you would have heard what I said. I'll continue to give advice based on what I've done in life as long as it dose not put people in harms way. I rather show a worst case scenario vs someone watching and wondering what happens if they accidentally got a lot of liquid on the screen.
I'm no cell phone designer, but I'm willing to bet the speaker grille was designed in a manner to resist water. Actually that the whole assembly was. We have sweaty people using phones, people in downpours using phones, etc. The flagship device has to take this into account or lose to a competitor's phone. Despite all of this, I still took the time to explain that I was deviating from the manual.
I guess I should go rip the supercharger out of my car as well because I just voided the warranty on it by installing it. Car manufacturer doesn't believe I should run boost. I am one of those people who buys a new car and modifies it. Perhaps you fall into the category of those who wait for the warranty to run out before touching it.
Yes, I blocked you from the Youtube channel because you were just voting down my videos. When you commented from another username you did the same thing again. I make these videos to support my family. I have a baby girl that was born on the 24th. You also fall into the category of those who are willing to criticize, but you don't have a valid Youtube channel of your own. If you want to do something productive, make videos and show things from your perspective instead of coming to my channel to bash me.

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Spend your life reading manuals. Obviously you didn't need to watch the video, and obviously you didn't originally or you would have heard what I said. I'll continue to give advice based on what I've done in life as long as it dose not put people in harms way. I rather show a worst case scenario vs someone watching and wondering what happens if they accidentally got a lot of liquid on the screen.
I'm no cell phone designer, but I'm willing to bet the speaker grille was designed in a manner to resist water. Actually that the whole assembly was. We have sweaty people using phones, people in downpours using phones, etc. The flagship device has to take this into account or lose to a competitor's phone. Despite all of this, I still took the time to explain that I was deviating from the manual.
I guess I should go rip the supercharger out of my car as well because I just voided the warranty on it by installing it. Car manufacturer doesn't believe I should run boost. I am one of those people who buys a new car and modifies it. Perhaps you fall into the category of those who wait for the warranty to run out before touching it.
Yes, I blocked you from the Youtube channel because you were just voting down my videos. When you commented from another username you did the same thing again. I make these videos to support my family. I have a baby girl that was born on the 24th. You also fall into the category of those who are willing to criticize, but you don't have a valid Youtube channel of your own. If you want to do something productive, make videos and show things from your perspective instead of coming to my channel to bash me.
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Ok so much text for basically saying you "think" its ok but your not sure. I only pointed out my view and highlighted your mistake. Your comment saying if you can get away with it is just silly to me but that is my opinion cause its just could cause you damage period. Has nothing to do with if your cautious or not.
I actually was searching to see if others used the small sticker on the home key when i bumped into your video and was surprised that
first you did not turn the phone of and second you keep spraying huge amount of water straight into the phone which is never ok. this is totally different from when you hold your phone and talk when your sweaty i hope you do realize that.
And there is a reason why there is a like/dislike on youtube, when you use the service you agree to accept it for what its worth, i was not rude or anything and added my opinion so when you sensor stuff out/block a user your taking it to another level. I actually never dont dislike but this was in my view a bad video (not bad for most part but what i already pointed out) so i made a thumb down. You as a reviewer should learn to accept when people dislike something and learn from it instead of doing censorship, that will hurt you more in the long run if you want a good reputation, take it as a friendly advice.
No i dont have a channel so what? i watch allot of videos and as said i'm usually not criticizing without a good reason. Anyway i'm willing to let it go if you can.
And congrats on your baby :good:

thanks very much. the video was messy but im sure that's how it is in real life anyways. and you did include the 46 seconds you deleted under the video in the comments so idk why everyone is complaining. its right there lol

I state if you can get away with using no fluid go for it.
"Use as little spray as possible."
Isn't that what I said?

chrisngrod said:
I state if you can get away with using no fluid go for it.
"Use as little spray as possible."
Isn't that what I said?
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We obviously talk in circles lets just drop the discussion and enjoy our S4's. I'm actually going to order a spigen, the ZAG is still not so clear. Its also a bit plasticky so i miss the glass, spigen has a glass protector so i'm considering that. Have you tried those?
http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/sa...ctor-glas-tr-slim-premium-tempered-glass.html

vampyren said:
We obviously talk in circles lets just drop the discussion and enjoy our S4's. I'm actually going to order a spigen, the ZAG is still not so clear. Its also a bit plasticky so i miss the glass, spigen has a glass protector so i'm considering that. Have you tried those?
http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/sa...ctor-glas-tr-slim-premium-tempered-glass.html
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Fine fine... Sorry.
Anyways, I haven't gotten many Spigen products. When they were a upcoming company, just getting into the spotlight they sent me some cases. I loved the Argo (I believe that's what it's called) for the GS3.
The HD InvisibleSHIELDs definitely still have the orange peel effect, but it it hard to notice, for me at least, when the screen is lit.
Just cause you mentioned it, I might go through some Spigen products and make an order.

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Fine fine... Sorry.
Anyways, I haven't gotten many Spigen products. When they were a upcoming company, just getting into the spotlight they sent me some cases. I loved the Argo (I believe that's what it's called) for the GS3.
The HD InvisibleSHIELDs definitely still have the orange peel effect, but it it hard to notice, for me at least, when the screen is lit.
Just cause you mentioned it, I might go through some Spigen products and make an order.
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cheers, the thing that bothers me with InvisibleSHIELD is the feeling, its not very glossy, when i use swypekey or drag my finger it just dont feel as it should,its a bit "sticky" feeling to it. Also it gets sticky on the edges after some time and pulls durt to itself. Its still new so no issue but i know my iphone use to gather lot of dirt after being in my pocket on the edges. Never had that problem with other brands. But all and all Spigen has some of the best i seen (will check the Argo too). Hori (from Japan) is actually best and is close to bubble free but they dont make for all gadgets. I got Hori for my PS Vita and i cant even see the layer. Its truly amazing.
Looking forward to some Spigen review

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cheers, the thing that bothers me with InvisibleSHIELD is the feeling, its not very glossy, when i use swypekey or drag my finger it just dont feel as it should,its a bit "sticky" feeling to it. Also it gets sticky on the edges after some time and pulls durt to itself. Its still new so no issue but i know my iphone use to gather lot of dirt after being in my pocket on the edges. Never had that problem with other brands. But all and all Spigen has some of the best i seen (will check the Argo too). Hori (from Japan) is actually best and is close to bubble free but they dont make for all gadgets. I got Hori for my PS Vita and i cant even see the layer. Its truly amazing.
Looking forward to some Spigen review
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Cool.. I need to look up all this other stuff, but I'm at work right now... SHHHHH
Going to make a blog style site with a forum subsection on my main forum for case/screen protector reviews. I'm rusty because I have a full time job again. For a year all I did was work on my own forum and make videos.

Sounds like fun
But nice with full time job so you get income every month. Looking forward to new reviews

I like how everyone just got along that fast
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Keys and coins will not scratch the screen, it's more likely particles of sand in the air found themselves in your pocket or something, (you can find countless articles around here)
Anyways, I have a Zagg on my Xperia Arc and after 1 year of use it has multiple stretch marks (around 20 of them) which is slightly annoying and the oleophobic coating seems to have disappeared :< (that maybe my fault however) and like a comment from before the feel of Zagg is not for me :/ it doesn't have a slick feel to it.
One tip however is to apply screen protectors in your bathroom (as crazy as it sounds) as it the room with the least likely to have dust, especially after a shower/bath
great video !

SevenD2 said:
Keys and coins will not scratch the screen, it's more likely particles of sand in the air found themselves in your pocket or something, (you can find countless articles around here)
Anyways, I have a Zagg on my Xperia Arc and after 1 year of use it has multiple stretch marks (around 20 of them) which is slightly annoying and the oleophobic coating seems to have disappeared :< (that maybe my fault however) and like a comment from before the feel of Zagg is not for me :/ it doesn't have a slick feel to it.
One tip however is to apply screen protectors in your bathroom (as crazy as it sounds) as it the room with the least likely to have dust, especially after a shower/bath
great video !
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Actually that is something i seen before and it's a good advice to do it in the bathroom after a shower, all the humidity will kill the dust

salas2324 said:
I like how everyone just got along that fast
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Right. I was about to bust out the popcorn. XD