Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
WM6.0...
The new look and a lot faster device...
Is there any feature that won't be available with WM6, that did work fine in WM5?
Thanks,
vma
Video call isn't working yet.
Rolud said:
The new look and a lot faster device...
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The way I see it, WM6 may or may not work for you and may or may not do it for you. Try it. You can always go back to WM5. Most people don't.....
Well .... the simple answer is that I did a lot of searching and reading, and finally tried it out for myself.
I asked this very question a while ago right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1130569&postcount=88
And came to the follwowing conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1155497&postcount=89
In the conclusion, the thing about the Bluetooth Stack / Voice Command - it was actually Voice Command that was the problem and this issue was fixed in Jrwightmcps' 2.02.00 WWE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297256
Crossbow ONLY!
Tell you the truth... i see the new WM6 is better eye-catching GUI not to mention the enhancement in the functionality and other usability such as email related functions. I know that MS wont just upgrade for no obvious reason nor for desktop OS compatibility.
Yet i reckon i wont -never- go back to magento! Crossbow ONLY!
@nvatvani:
Indeed your posts where the only ones I read, that contained some usefull info about the subject.
No offense to all the other members of course!
I was simply wondering about what to do when my MDA Pro arrives: replace the German firmware with a WWE WM5 one or go straight ahead to WM6 without even looking at WM5.
Also, I had some problems with my Blue Angel, when I tried WM5 on it: it may have been a coincidence, but one day after the upgrade the screen went mad and totally messed up. Only 1 Hardreset in about 100 tries would bring it back to normal for some period of time and even reflashing it with WM5 or 2003SE would not make it work normal again. The screen would get messed up suddenly for no particular reason. At the end I had to send it in for repair, which was actually a good thing, as I complained about the loose stylo and bad working hardkeys, all within warranty. I got a new key-pcb, backside and they reflashed the device with 2003SE. I posted this issue in the BA forum, but got no usefull hint. This means I am a little scared of upgrading to unofficial releases.
Other than that, I have no problems with flashing, as I do that on my other hobby (satellite receivers) frequently, including JTAG-operations for repairing bricked devices. The same applies to games consoles. (Note: I do not sell or benefit commercially from that activity and my goal is not to get illegal software or TV - not that you guy's get the wrong idea about me).
Anyway, thanks for your replies!
Cheers,
vma
What Windows Mobile 5.0 AKU 2.0 has and Windows Mobile 6 (the cooked ones, having tried them all) doesn't have, according to my experiences:
1. Videocalling - at least not a proper one
2. Bluetooth Dial Up Networking (the DUN profile)
3. Wireless Modem (yet some WM6 ROM's have it, although without shortcut in the start menu)
4. Cyberon Voice Dial by default (some WM6 ROM's have it by default, others will need a 500kB CAB to activate it)
The reason why I went back to "good old" WM5 is mainly the reliability. Ok, the OS may be a bit slower here and there, but it has all the functionality (e.g. videocalls and Bluetooth DUN), and NEVER hangs. It just always works and that's what I desperately need right now.
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The things Windows Mobile 6 has for me that 5.0 hasn't which I miss the most:
1. High resolution browsing in the normal Internet Explorer (I don't want to use alternatives)
2. HTML email support
3. The impressive speed of the OS
Applications like WM6's Windows Live and the superb Remote Desktop Client are also available for WM5, so I don't need to miss those, otherwise I sure would, and then I might have sticked with WM6.
The new sounds and GUI are great, but I don't really miss them, since that's not a true functional thing.
Having WM5 up and running again, without freezes and memory leaking and with full HTC Universal functionality, is enough for me to be happy with it and to stick with it. If there ever will be a ROM that actually ADDS Windows Mobile 6 on top of all of this (without a single registry tweak or CAB fix needed), then it's the time for me to upgrade again.
If such a ROM will ever see the daylight, since it won't be officially available for the Universal, I don't know. I think the HTC X7500 (Athena) will be there sooner (April 2007 over here), and that one will have a official WM6 upgrade for sure. That'll be my next one, so until then: WM5 for my Universal!
So far for my opinion.
why do I use WM6
vma said:
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
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To be honest, I used them all and later delteted them after 5 2 hours. They leak a lot, ram is at minimum and useless third party applications, and a lot fo thing sodn't really work or missing (I just want a vanill aone without 3rd party applications).
Except for one rom, Darkforce, it is fast and furious, and so far I have using it for two days; battery usage is good, and no leaks. However, no video calling, and no way to set com ports for bluetooth devices. any1 has this problem?
However, common to all ROMS, no video calling, old calculator, speed dial messed up (some work and some don't), wireless connection bubble missing (yes you can install a cab but I don't want to do that).
<Mind you, contrary to other reports, I never had any freezes with any rom.
The thing that attracts me is HTML in email, High resolution mode in explorer, better remote desktop connectivity.
So I thhink I am sticking with DarkForce ROM, so far so good.
Thx
Up until now, very few smartphone platforms allowed for recording calls: most notably, Symbian S60 (but not UIQ). Windows Mobile (WinMo), apart from some models (HTC s310 / Oxygen, x7500 / Athena etc.) didn’t allow this. The BlackBerry platform and the iPhone don’t allow this either. (Albeit, with the release of iPhone OS 3.0 and the voice recorder coming with it, it’s not guaranteed the situation will remain the same.)
Note that the reason WinMo can’t record calls has always been different from BlackBerry and the (2.x OS-based) iPhone. The latter two in no way allow for running any voice recorder apps while a call is taking place (I’ve VERY thoroughly tested this on both platforms and, on the iPhone, with several third-party voice recorder apps); WinMo has always done so – it did allow for running a sound recorder app while, at the same time, the same handset was taking place in a conversation. It’s just that not at an acceptable quality – so far, you had to rely on the sound bleed from the speaker to the microphone to record the other party. Recording your voice, of course, has always worked (with the exception of some very rare models like the O2 Flame, where the situation was the opposite: the other party’s voice was recorded, but not yours) as the mike easily picked up your voice – after all, it’s way more loud than the other party’s thin voice bleeding from the speaker of the phone. Sure, enabling speakerphone helped the situation (more advanced call recorder apps like Resco and VITO AudioNotes automatically do this if you instruct them to do so) to some degree, but the resulting quality was still a long cry away from that of, say, recorded calls on the Symbian S60 (mostly, Nokia) platform. And, of course, you can’t use speakerphone all the time; for example, if you don’t want the people around you know what you’re being told – or don’t want to disturb them with a loud phone.
It can’t much enough be stressed the importance of this hack. With call recording enabled on most handsets, the usability of the platform as a “plain” phone has greatly been increased. This is also bad news for the BlackBerry and iPhone folks – Windows Mobile has turned out to be better in this respect (too) ;-)
Previous hacks
It was just a few days ago that I’ve explained the (then, current) hacks that might work on some handsets to enable call recording. In the meantime, a new, much easier (Registry-only) hack has become available, with which you can really easily, without having to waste hours on reading through some ICR-dedicated threads. That is, you don't need to give a try to the methods outlined in my previous article; you don't need to read the linked (e.g., Touch HD) threads either to learn how to set up the previous hacks, what they do, what their restrictions are etc.
Installation
You only have to download and execute the CAB file linked from the first post of THIS thread (I've also mirrored it – just click the link, save the CAB file and execute it on your handset). Note that it’s both compatible with the touchscreen-enabled Windows Mobile Professional (aka Pocket PC) and the touchscreen-less Windows Mobile Standard (aka MS Smartphone) platforms.
Compatibility
This application (more specifically, a registry hack) seems to be compatible with a lot of phone models and a lot of (both factory and “cooked”) firmware versions; for example, the HTC Kaiser with a lot of different ROM’s, the HTC Wizard also with tons of ROM’s (I’ve tested it with character’s AMP), the HTC Vox (s710) WM Standard smartphone running the official, non-cooked ROM etc. (This also means it's compatible with both WM Standard and WM Professional.)
There, however, are phone models? phone models running a specific firmware version? that don’t seem to work with the hack (read: they don’t allow for recording the other party at a tolerable volume); for example, the HTC Universal running Tomal’s 8.5 cooked WM 6.1 ROM. This, however, doesn’t necessarily mean the Universal won’t be able to record calls with any else ROM.
Make sure you check out THIS thread (and, most importantly, the compatibility list in the first post) for more info on which models are surely supported. Also, please post (let us know about) your experiences in the thread (no private messages / mails to me!) or here.
What apps can you record calls with?
After this, you can test / start recording calls easily with, for example, the built-in Notes application (don’t forget you need to explicitly enable the Recording Toolbar in it!) or, on the WM Standard platform, Voice Notes. Note that this application (as with HTC’s ICR) can only start recording manually; there aren’t automatic call recording capabilities.
Should you want something better (that is, apps with automatic call recording, storing the caller/called name/phone number and the date), get one of the following apps (note that there are quite a few other, [automatic] call recording-capable titles; nevertheless, these are the ones I recommend the most):
* PMRecorder by Motoblast. Note that it also has an online tutorial HERE. This app is free, unless you want to use its online upload and accessibility capabilities. (To get rid of the latter, just untick the two checkboxes under “1800message.com” in Options.) Unfortunately, this also means you can’t record high-quality, but compressed recordings with PMRecorder: only AMR (which has very bad sound quality) is supported. (Sure, you can use uncompressed WAV files instead, but they do take a lot of storage.)
Note that, as has also been explained in my previous, pretty big article on the app,
1. if you want to listen to your recordings on any other (for example, desktop / notebook) computer or simply outside PMRecorder you’ll want to download PMRBackup.zip (I’ve also mirrored it HERE). Unzip it, start the EXE and select “Select file(s)” if you’ve already transferred the .rcwv files from your handset; otherwise, press the “Get from device” button. After conversion, the original recordings will be saved as standards-compliant ones and will be named after the other party's name / number and the timestamp of the conversation.
2. create a link file to \Program Files\PMRecorder\PMRecorder.exe from \Windows\Startup so that it is always auto-loaded at boot time (this works on both platforms too). Otherwise, it won’t – unlike the commercial alternatives below.
* Resco Audio Recorder (WM Standard version HERE). It’s much more expensive than VITO’s app (the third recommended title) but it may also turn out to be better, particularly if you want to minimize storage usage (and, therefore, stick to some, compared to MP3, highly advanced speech coding format – in this case, Speex). For example, on my HTC s710 WM Standard phone, VITO’s Audio Notes is always maximized at startup (assuming you’ve enabled it to automatically record calls – this must be made by hand!), making it necessary to manually minimize it.
Note that if you want to stick to MP3 (or AAC), you will want to purchase the Resco Codec Pack too - the built-in MP3 encoder in Resco Audio Recorder is really-really bad. This, however, won’t be an issue if you, as recommended, use Speex instead.
* VITO AudioNotes (the linked version supports both WM Professional and Standard). A very cheap, but still capable app. If you want to record into MP3 and don’t want to pay some $35 for the Resco Audio Recorder + Resco Codec Pack combo, this app should be the first you check out. Note that it has a slightly more advanced (and considerably more expensive) version, Audio Notes Touch. If you love finger scrolling, this should be the one you check out, not the stylus-only “basic” AudioNotes. Otherwise, for plain phone call recordings, AudioNotes works pretty great. Also note that, as has already been mentioned, you’ll need to explicitly enable it to record calls (Menu / Record / Calls autorecord)
Please also see my dedicated articles for more info on all these apps. In addition to my PMRecorder article, you might want to read my article on VITO’s AudioNotes (note that the chart in the article isn’t correctly rendered; see THIS for the image representation), my remarks on the 4.x series of Resco’s app HERE and, last but not least, the Windows Mobile Audio Recording Bible. Note that the latter isn’t specifically call recording-specific. It, however, explains a lot of things you may find useful, particularly if you plan to use manual recording only. Then, you’ll certainly welcome for example the one-button recording remarks (see the “Buttons: One-button recording? Does it need to show the app window?” row in the chart). No need to manually invoke other apps and search in menus if you want to start recording – just press a pre-assigned button and you’re set.
Legal notes
Please consult THIS for more info on which American states allow for call recording without the other part’s knowing of this.
Addendum (for hackers only!)
I’ve tested whether the HTC Oxygen (s310), one of the very few WinMo phones to support call recording, has the same registry values as the three entries in the hack. Interestingly, it doesn’t (below is the s310 registry dump of the related registry keys; hope it helps hackers to find out why the s310 is able to record calls and, in the Registry, what makes this possible).
1. "HKLM\Software\HTC\AUDIOGAIN\AUDIO_DEBUG_FLAG = 0 (and not 64)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\AUDIOGAIN]
"DeviceID"="Generic_Oxygen_1.9"
"AUDIO_DEBUG_FLAG"=dword:00000000
"ENABLE_AUGA_CARKIT"=hex:00
"ENABLE_AUGA_HEADSET"=hex:00
"ENABLE_AUGA_EMBEDDED"=hex:01
"EXTERNAL_RECORDING_GAIN"=hex:06
"INTERNAL_RECORDING_GAIN"=hex:17
"CODEC_GAIN_CARKIT"=hex:00
"CODEC_GAIN_HEADSET"=hex:03
"CODEC_GAIN_EMBEDDED"=hex:00
"EAC_GAIN_CARKIT"=hex:67
"EAC_GAIN_HEADSET"=hex:67
"EAC_GAIN_EMBEDDED"=hex:70
"TTY_UPLINK_VOLUME"=hex:09
"EARPHONE_UPLINK_VOLUME"=hex:19
"HEADSET_UPLINK_VOLUME"=hex:12
"SPEAKER_UPLINK_VOLUME"=hex:10
"RECEIVE_UPLINK_VOLUME"=hex:1A
"CARGTTYSIDETONEVOLUME"=hex:08,08,08,08,08,08
"CARGEARPHONESIDETONEVOLUME"=hex:08,08,08,08,08,08
"CARGHANDFREESIDETONEVOLUME"=hex:08,08,08,08,08,08
"CARGHEADSETSIDETONEVOLUME"=hex:08,08,08,08,08,08
"CARGCARKITSIDETONEVOLUME"=hex:08,08,08,08,08,08
"CARGRECEIVESIDETONEVOLUME"=hex:02,06,0C,0C,0D,0D
"CARGTTYVOLUME"=hex:06,06,06,06,06,06
"CARGHANDFREEVOLUME"=hex:63,20,23,26,29,2C
"CARGHEADSETVOLUME"=hex:63,20,23,26,29,2C
"CARGCARKITVOLUME"=hex:61,64,21,24,27,2A
"CARGRECEIVEVOLUME"=hex:60,63,20,23,26,29
2. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL\ RingingAddressId doesn’t exist:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL]
"Radio Version"="4.1.13.20_02.41.90"
"LASTUSEDICCID"="986302004041001548F5"
"RESETINFO1"=hex:1D,C2,3C,9A,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00
"RESETINFO2"=dword:00000004
"OperatorEccList"=hex(7):31,00,31,00,32,00,00,00,39,00,31,00,31,00,00,00,00,00
"GPRSAutoAttach"=dword:00000000
"IMEI"="notyourbusiness"
"ResetWhenRadioOffTimeout"=dword:00000001
"AutoNetSelAfterReboot"=dword:00000000
"EnableRIL86Rollback"=dword:00000001
"EnableSmspFromSim"=dword:00000001
"SIMPollingTimerForRemoveDetection"=dword:000000B4
"CwsAtntTreatSpecialPatternAsDial"=dword:00000000
"DelayKeyEventTimeout"=dword:000007D0
"GsmVersion4131xx"=dword:00000001
"MOAbortGPRSSleepCount"=dword:00002000
"HTCGPRSBlockMOWorkaround"=dword:00000001
"EnableWorkaroundForFTA"=dword:00000000
"EnableSStoATD"=dword:00000001
"EnableEcc"=dword:00000001
"DumpGsmThreadLogPeriod"=dword:00003600
"EnableNdisMpdpDebugLog"=dword:00000000
"ImmediateCBMSupport"=dword:00000001
"EnableATAbortSTKCall"=dword:00000001
"EnableDifferGprsEdgeIcon"=dword:00000001
"CsqResendTimeout"=dword:00003A98
"EnableEngineerModeQueryAMR"=dword:00000001
"EnableOverrideVmailAlphaIdFromSIM"=dword:00000000
"BarringIncomingCallStatus"=dword:00000000
"EnableCallBarringPatch"=dword:00000001
"EnableDTMFSupport"=dword:00000001
"DisableRoamingIndicator"=dword:00000000
"GPRSAutoDetach"=dword:00000000
"FDNPINEnable"=dword:00000000
"NIEnable"=dword:00000000
"CPIEnable"=dword:00000001
"CREGLocationUpdate"=dword:00000001
"NITZEnable"=dword:00000000
"Index"=dword:00000001
"Order"=dword:00000004
"Prefix"="RIL"
"Dll"="rilgsm.dll"
3. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\WaveDev\ VocRecPath doesn’t exist:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\WaveDev]
"Order"=dword:00000002
"Index"=dword:00000001
"Dll"="wavedev.dll"
"Prefix"="WAV"
Now if we can only find a registry hack to fix the crappy camera HTC likes to put in their phones lol. HTC TouchPro 2 with a 3.2MP Camera and no flash?? CRAZYY!!
Im glad we finally fixed the 2 way recording problem that has ALWAYS been blamed on hardware limitations and claimed that this would never be possible. All it took was 3 little registry entrys haha!!
Good job with the write up
mskip said:
Now if we can only find a registry hack to fix the crappy camera HTC likes to put in their phones lol. HTC TouchPro 2 with a 3.2MP Camera and no flash?? CRAZYY!!
Im glad we finally fixed the 2 way recording problem that has ALWAYS been blamed on hardware limitations and claimed that this would never be possible. All it took was 3 little registry entrys haha!!
Good job with the write up
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Cool! BTW, to fix the incompatbility issues with some models, can anyone look into the s310 registry export and file system? (Why it's capable of recording while it certainly doesn't have the registry edntries.) As I also have an s310, I can give you help in this.
Menneisyys regarding your first post here you said Universals on Tomal's WM6.1 dont record 2 way.
I'm using Universal, Tomal's 6.1, v8.7 with Radio 1.17 and using Vito Audio Notes, my 2 way recording is perfect.
PMrecorder is just very soft recording the opposite side on my HTC P3600 with WM6, (Trinity) hard to hear when I play the recording back I can hear myself very clearly. But I am more interested in what the other has to say to record.On the P3600 I am using the "ADW version 1.1 NLD and WWE (OS 5.2.1908 Build 18508.0.7.0) ROM-date: 06 Oct 2007", dutch
hendrixus said:
PMrecorder is just very soft recording the opposite side on my HTC P3600 with WM6, (Trinity) hard to hear when I play the recording back I can hear myself very clearly. But I am more interested in what the other has to say to record.On the P3600 I am using the "ADW version 1.1 NLD and WWE (OS 5.2.1908 Build 18508.0.7.0) ROM-date: 06 Oct 2007", dutch
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Which cab did you use to try to get the 2-way recording to work?
mskip said:
Which cab did you use to try to get the 2-way recording to work?
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Good question. Lemme get my device, moment........................."mskip 2way recording", Two way or 2-way plus?
hendrixus said:
Good question. Lemme get my device, moment........................."mskip 2way recording", Two way or 2-way plus?
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If the incoming voice is very very faint then its probably just picking up the incoming voice that your mic is picking up and recording that. If the registry edit works then you would at least be able to hear the incoming voice clearly which I can only assume means its not working for you. Try upgrading to a custom WM6.1 Rom if you can as the stock roms dont seem to work at all.
mskip said:
If the incoming voice is very very faint then its probably just picking up the incoming voice that your mic is picking up and recording that. If the registry edit works then you would at least be able to hear the incoming voice clearly which I can only assume means its not working for you. Try upgrading to a custom WM6.1 Rom if you can as the stock roms dont seem to work at all.
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OK, i'll try the registertrick first. The ROM ia'm using is a custom rom. But WM6
it didn'et work on y xperia.
please let's know if any one could make it work on Xperia?
The registry fix does not seem to work on the LG Incite. Too bad, I was hoping it would. Thanks for all the effort though.
Stock Samsung Jack with the security removed and 2 way call CAB installed. Still getting no calls recorded with Vito AudioNotes 1.37.
Anything else I can try?
I seem to be limited to about 45 seconds of recording. Is there a way around this? I changed the "save to" destination to my 8 gig storage card, so memory isn't the issue.
Thanks!
TG01 2 way call rec without speakerphone
Any solution for 2 way call recording on TG01 without the speakerphone on?
Cristian
crissstian said:
Any solution for 2 way call recording on TG01 without the speakerphone on?
Cristian
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what rom are you running?
TG01 2 way call rec without speakerphone ??
I'm not sure, the original Orange ROM, I suppose.
I don't know how to access ROM.
WM6.1
This "Revolution" doesn't work on HTC HD2 (Leo).
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This "Revolution" doesn't work on HTC HD2 (Leo).
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Pretty much everyone knows that by now
Mark.
I have toshiba g810 and 2way ....cab not work. I have a windows mobile profesional 6.1. What can I do??Please help