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While I am in no way a Dev, programmer, grammar expert or anyone of importance, this is my attempt in helping to help XDA/Devs/Android to keep moving forward in the most efficient way possible. As recent events have unraveled it is apparent that XDA, Android, and a flux of Ports & ROMS has boosted the traffic that we are seeing come in and out of XDA. While the traffic is welcomed the absurd amount of "n00bish" post, bickering, and multiple posting is not and that is why I decided to take a stab at making this thread.
Why post this in the Dev forum?
I want this to reflect the fact that in ANY DEVELOPMENT forum there is a different type of etiquette then in any other type of open forum. I've personally learned this from seeing plenty of GREAT Dev's come and go through XDA. Mods please feel free to move or close this is you feel this in inappropriate in the DEV forum.
PROPER DEV FORUM ETIQUETTE:
-READ!!!-
*Read the developers request/post.
*Each and every [ROM] thread I have ever looked into has had a Changelog and inclusion list! READ IT!!! Its usually located on the FIRST or SECOND post in the thread.
*If you are not willing to read through a thread, then search! EVEN BETTER... SEARCH THE THREAD!!!
*If you are following a thread closely enough and see that others are posting or reporting your same issue, CONFIRM and at the least post a LOG
*If you can not keep up on XDA at least follow a developers Twitter. Its a great insight to what is to come. Rather then expanding the crap to filter through in the [ROM] thread, LOOK for updates.
-Remember-
*Not one Dev on here owes any one person anything!!! So dont expect to be entitled to anything such as updates, explanations, and/or anything that you may want or feel should be included in THEIR work!
*By flashing a ROM(or even rooting) on your phone, you are expected by the community that you have some knowledge of what you are doing; Hence you should not be asking or posting "what is adb" or "How do you Flash" type questions. That is NOT development!!! This is REGRESSION for lack of better words.
*DO NOT post ish like "flashing now" .. "downloading" .. "cant wait to flash".
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*DO NOT post "how is this ROM?... better?... faster?". TRY IT!!! The RA [RECOVERY] can make going from a non hero [ROM] to a Hero [ROM] in a 5 step process(in theroy) and back in one step with the [MOD]swithROM
*Give credit where credit is due!!! If you wanna say "thanks", do it in a constructive way, maybe say it when answering someones n00b question or drop it in your sig: "Thanks to: blah blah", or both
*It is MY observation that Devs do this stuff for just a few reasons: Money, fun, and/or experience.
-Fun- Just cause they are damn good at it and have the extensive ability to do so.
-Money- Not so much just so they get donations, but time is money, they make something worth paying for then they, you, or I would do it if we you could. So if you appreciate what someone has given the community then I am sure they would appreciate any sort of donation.
-*Experience*- The work placed here is NOT for you. It is shared with the community to further development!!! Its placed here to be shown as a physical representation of what a DEV can do. The more success he has, the better it looks to clients or potential employers. That is why CREDIT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN!!!
-Basic Troubleshooting-
*Wipe
*fix_permissions
*post log
*reformat partition
(If you did not take these steps then you have not tried to fix your problem and you should not make a post till you have tried at least one if not all steps.)
*A Force Close (FC) is when you DO NOT have a "wait" option. These are the "bugs" that Dev's need to be reported to respective location. An Android Not Responding (ANR) DOES have the "wait" option and is probably not due to the [ROM] but apps and/or permissions (someone correct me if I am wrong)
-From Members to Members-
*RESPECT each other!
*Be constructive in your posting. If you are not posting an ANSWER or if you are BEING NEGATIVE towards another member, you are virtually spamming the thread that you are trying to keep clean. The least you could do is point the person in the right direction. Refusing to help at all while berating them for doing it wrong accomplishes nothing besides further clogging up the forum with threads bumped with useless posts.
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*Do not Fanboy or spam a DEVs[ROM] thread with another DEVs[ROM]. Keep the respective info in its respective thread.
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-From Members to DEVs-
*DO NOT "ROM whore"! If its not your work then give credit. You and the other DEVs will know if what you are releasing is a [MOD] or [ROM].
(added by: r_dub, IConrad, ComplexMinded)
*Please make sure your first (and second post) are clear for n00bs who will not read this thread. I know you're working hard on building ROMs for us, but FAQ's and n00b instructions will hopefully help!!!
(added by: digitallysick, _Kyros_)
*Please help us help you. If your attitude is poor then your followers/senior members of what you are developing may carry the same attitude. Lead by example.
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-From DEVs to Members-
*DO NOT be "inclined to help" for you own personal gain
*(any DEVs who would like to get this section going please feel free to post)
**If you have anything to add to this list please feel free to post it and I will update this post** Hopefully this is not done in vain and can help some of the clutter.
Reserved... just in case
Yes thank you this needed to be said well done well written but i would add that making minor changes and reposting a rom does not make it yours nor does it make you a dev like so many people do on xda now days everyone thinks their a dev
Re: Minor tweaks do not a new ROM make. I.e.; if I took the Cyanogen ROM, swap it out for a +mem patched boot.img file, I could not then call it the IConrad01Mod. It would be the CyanogenMod+mem. Not even if I replaced sh with bash by default.
EDIT: Mostly this post is just a "bump" to keep this higher in the ratings so more people see it.
This should be made a sticky thread really should be
Id like to also add to your excellent list
dont post ish like "flashing now" .. "downloading" .. "cant wait to flash"
makes the thread grow too fast and makes it a lot of work for people who do try to follow etiquette and search for the answer before posting
I also agree
IConrad01 said:
Re: Minor tweaks do not a new ROM make. I.e.; if I took the Cyanogen ROM, swap it out for a +mem patched boot.img file, I could not then call it the IConrad01Mod. It would be the CyanogenMod+mem. Not even if I replaced sh with bash by default.
EDIT: Mostly this post is just a "bump" to keep this higher in the ratings so more people see it.
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This should be made a sticky thread really should be
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Thanks guys... I knew other members would feel the same way.
Like I said in the first sentence, I stated that I have no dev experience and I am pretty much a n00b, but I actually was not aware of "ROM whoring" so we will see if others agree with this and/or their are current devs who feel this would be appropriate to add to the list.
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Id like to also add to your excellent list
dont post ish like "flashing now" .. "downloading" .. "cant wait to flash"
makes the thread grow too fast and makes it a lot of work for people who do try to follow etiquette and search for the answer before posting
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agree to that, and im one of those that says flashing, downloading, cant wait, and i realize myself thats its annoying .
"ROM Whoring" is alive and rampant in the forum. I know that all ROMS have "pieces" of other devs work in them but if 90% of your build went untouched then how can you re-release it under your own name?
We honeslty need to seperate ROMS from MODS of ROMS.. There is a clear difference..
Lets add to that for devs
Make your rom instructions CLEAR , and easy to follow.
Also include screen shots , and don't run all of your links and information together.
If your rom doesn't support specific formats/features please list so.
These things will prevent the same questions and issues being asked again and again
Lets add to that for devs
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* Update your initial post to include answers to common questions. Yes, I know, everyone should read the ENTIRE thread, but when that thread is 30 pages deep, people won't.
It really wouldn't be a half-bad idea for the more popular ROMs to solicit people to help support them in a sort of semi-official role.
Great post All~G1, I think that while this thread seems to mainly target Noobs and improper forum etiquette then I can't help but suggest adding something targeted at Devs. All Devs or anyone contributing to the Android Community should (Most do) have precise details on installing whatever your giving to the A.C. and a FAQ's would be nice too, that way we wouldn't have so many tutorials.
I see I'm not alone on this.
I honestly don't see XDA keeping the Dev's with other phones coming out that are not HTC. They will realize HTC is going to be WAY behind and thus having to go to forums like Alldroid.org, android community and forums like that, that cater to ALL Android not Winmo and deal with Android
I wonder if we could have a post# rule implemented (i.e. you need to have x# of posts before you can post in the dev section). If a poster hasn't learned wtf to do in 100 posts and then enters the dev section, they should be banned. lol
Mi|enko said:
I wonder if we could have a post# rule implemented (i.e. you need to have x# of posts before you can post in the dev section). If a poster hasn't learned wtf to do in 100 posts and then enters the dev section, they should be banned. lol
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here is proof that theory isn't the best one. cyanogen was a "junior" member when he started putting his roms on xda. member status does not equal intelligence level. some one could log onto to xda with an amazing rom with features never before seen, but they couldn't post it in the dev section bc they have no posts, doesn't really make sense.
the mods need to enforcing their 3-day ban on people who post nonsense in the dev section (well any section really) but limiting some ones ability to post based on post count is not a great idea.
just my .01 cents. i am very poor right now, so i can only give away a penny.
Mi|enko said:
I wonder if we could have a post# rule implemented (i.e. you need to have x# of posts before you can post in the dev section). If a poster hasn't learned wtf to do in 100 posts and then enters the dev section, they should be banned. lol
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Only issue with that is I do not have many post, but I know about as much on flashing, adb as most of you do...you dont need to post to know what your doing, and to have the ability to help others out when/if you see fit.
Agreed david1171, didnt see your post when I made mine..
thank you all~g1 for this posting! i believe it was sorely needed!
ive spent the past two months reading and learning by trial and error so i agree that instructions could be more clear and concise for n00bs like myself...
ive also seen the flaming that goes on for incorrectly posting in the wrong section so ive taken it upon myself(so i dont get flamed!)to post in the q&a forums.the thought that maybe one day i might learn enough to mod/dev on my own is another reason i only post when needed...
also...excellent idea to put in following the devs by twitter! i get blown up with info from their tweets all the time so i mostly know whats coming before they even release! more to than my actual friends i follow! lol!
just my .02 cents...but the search function here on xda could be a little more thorough so as to maybe help keep down traffic.
but overall...this is a great concept! and thanks again!
Me likey this thread. good show!
IMO it should be stickied and kept unlocked (but clean) like the index so peeps can submit constructive ideas
Wow, really while I'm sure we all appreciate this thread and the thought put into but this is pretty much where everyone starts. This the start for most of the Devs here. So maybe we should make a Topic that says Noobs go here first and then have all the stickies including this one. We need better organization but even still we're not gonna be able to stop people posting in the wrong section. We were all noobs once be humble and put yourself in their place.
First let me qualify (or disqualify) myself.
I do not own a Viewsonic G Tablet.
I own other Android devices.
I have a strong background in development and programming. I am the Director of Engineering for a small company in Tennessee where we develop adult amusement devices (no, not porn) such as slots, video poker, etc.
I am proficient in many languages, as well as 'nix operating systems.
I have cooked my own roms in the past.
Second...
I have been lurking around the XDA developer forum since back in the Windows Mobile 6 days. I currently have an Android phone and an Android tablet (not a Viewsonic).
Like everyone else here, the prospect of the new build is tasty. Wanting to delve into it myself to see what I can do, It is helpful to me to look (like many others) in the development forums to see what I can see.
However...
Let this serve as a warning to anyone who is not a "Dev" on this forum.
This forum, like many other here at XDA belongs to a handful of "Devs" and you are not one of these "Devs".
Your best bet is to lurk like the rest of us. I don't care if you have a Honeycomb port that will work on this device or a pill that cures cancer. They don't want to see it and you don't want the hassle of being flamed for trying to contribute. They will get to it and you will not beat them to it.
Devs work hard. They do the work for free and they should be revered and respected. But make no mistake, they know it and are not afraid to tell you to STFU and GTFO for merely making a suggestion or comment.
So do all of us a favor, stick to the General forums and don't poke the bear.
I do not plan to respond to this thread and it should probably be closed immediately.
neo4uo said:
Not trying to poke your bear, but even this thread should not be posted in here. This needs to be moved to the general section. This thread defines the word ironic.
Peace \oo/
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.........lmfao i was about to say the same thing, this thread totally defeat its purpose, the fact is no matter how much you tell people to "search" "post in the proper section" "dont ask for ETAs" and so on theres going to be someone that dont follows the rules, and WTF???? "This forum, like many other here at XDA belongs to a handful of Devs"??? this forum belogs to the community just as much as it does the devs......obviously someone did not read the "state of the site anoucement......tsk......tskk
I am poking the Bear, and here it goes.
If you want us peasants to stop posting in the Development forum of ANY device, simply create a tag for Developers, make it so only "x" amount of posts and a review by the mods, will grant someone this tag. Then you limit access to the Dev forum to tag holders only. Then, when one of the Devs (whos' work is tremendous and I highly resect) has something ready to go, they can post a link or a file in the General section.
That way us 'morons' who are not welcome here can't possibly get in their way with our useless posts and questions. I am tired of the elitist attitude that some have here. Yes a lot of you know more than I do about this stuff, yes I am learning to do this stuff in my SPARE TIME. I am not in college, I do not have a job that allows me to sit in front of a computer all day(don't want it either). When I do have the time to get invloved, or if I find something useful, like many of us, I want to post it. I don't want to be a leach. I can only speak for myself with this. I may not be able to give as much as the devs do, but how can I possibly learn if I dno't ask questions?
The Search feature that people here are so in love with and can't wait to tell us "search is your friend"?
Its almost useless. Its rare that I can find what I'm looking for in the limited amount of time I have to be on here. Its generally easier for me, and many others I suspect, to ask the question and wait for an answer.
Then ask the question. The big complaint is that most don't even try to look or they post "LOOK>>>>>HONEYCOMB ON THE NOOK.....WHY DONT WE HAVE IT YET" in the dev section. Granted the search function isnt great but filling up the forum with the same questions over and over is what makes the search function useless to some. Although I seem to be able to find what I'm looking for most of the time with a little work. The moderators have asked that people not post general questions as new threads in the dev section yet it keeps being done.
its not an elitist attitude about the dev section. Its a request to keep the posts to development only or at least inside the correct thread and not keep asking the same question over and over with a new thread.
I agree with limited access...
Frrrrrrunkis said:
I am poking the Bear, and here it goes.
If you want us peasants to stop posting in the Development forum of ANY device, simply create a tag for Developers, make it so only "x" amount of posts and a review by the mods, will grant someone this tag. Then you limit access to the Dev forum to tag holders only. Then, when one of the Devs (whos' work is tremendous and I highly resect) has something ready to go, they can post a link or a file in the General section.
That way us 'morons' who are not welcome here can't possibly get in their way with our useless posts and questions. I am tired of the elitist attitude that some have here. Yes a lot of you know more than I do about this stuff, yes I am learning to do this stuff in my SPARE TIME. I am not in college, I do not have a job that allows me to sit in front of a computer all day(don't want it either). When I do have the time to get invloved, or if I find something useful, like many of us, I want to post it. I don't want to be a leach. I can only speak for myself with this. I may not be able to give as much as the devs do, but how can I possibly learn if I dno't ask questions?
The Search feature that people here are so in love with and can't wait to tell us "search is your friend"?
Its almost useless. Its rare that I can find what I'm looking for in the limited amount of time I have to be on here. Its generally easier for me, and many others I suspect, to ask the question and wait for an answer.
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I think the idea of tags is a great idea, but once again I don't know how easy this function would be.
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Then ask the question.
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Unfortunately, you're changing the rules of the present discussion with that. The OP stated "Devs work hard. They do the work for free and they should be revered and respected. But make no mistake, they know it and are not afraid to tell you to STFU and GTFO for merely making a suggestion or comment." The implication of that is you SHOULDN'T ask the question, you should just STFU.
IMO, the OP is WAY out of line. If the devs don't want comments/suggestions/questions, then they should keep their dev work private and not open it up for public consumption. Yes, the rest of the community wouldn't benefit as much in that case, but there's no excuse for an arrogant attitude like saying STFU for GTFO if someone merely makes a suggestion or comment on something that's been posted for public consumption.
If the devs are simply doing their work and sharing it just to have people fawn all over them for it and expect not to have to deal with the questions/comments/suggestions of the "unwashed masses", well, sorry, the world (and this site/forum, from my understanding) doesn't work that way.
Its the answering "How do I install clockwork?" question that is posted all the time even tho its clearly posted as a sticky. "I've followed the directions exactly and I cant get TnTlite to install".....wrong....you havent or it would have installed. "When are we gonna get an update to X rom?"......"How come we don't have Honeycomb yet?"....."Your rom bricked my device"....."Why won't someone answer my question? that was posted 15 minutes ago.....The devs do this on their own time and for the most part are happy to answer questions but when its clear that someone has no intention of learning for themselves and just want the info handed to them on a silver platter.......well....it gets old
The OP is out of line with his "psa" unless he speaks on behalf of the collective body of said developers.
This is a rhetorical post, I will not be responding again.
Edit: see what I did there with that last line?
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I like turtles
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Collaaaaa!!!!
If we want to grow the G Tab community ( aka continue to receive the excellent support from the Devs) we need to grow the number of G Tab users. If I were considering a new tablet purchase and stopped by here to check out the G Tab, I would not put it high on my list. If new members post in the wrong section or dup a post, it's Ok to send them a "Friendly" reminder, but to blast them like this is an insult to everyone here. Hell they might even be driven to buy a windows mobile 6 product.
Is there a single place to go to read about the differences between the Captivate phones (i.e. i9000, armani, us version, european version, etc). It is all very confusing at times.
gsmarena.com and phonearena.com are the two sites I use, but you'll need to know their localized carrier names (e.g. captivate, vibrant, etc) or model #s (i897, i9000).
Have looked at the wiki? Obviously not. Thanks for posting in q&a.
http://pdadb.net/ is probably my fav...
The Wiki that others have suggested is located here. Try to ignore those members who want to be assholes to people trying to learn. In the future, please post any questions you have in in the Q&A section.
Red_81 said:
The Wiki that others have suggested is located here. Try to ignore those members who want to be assholes to people trying to learn. In the future, please post any questions you have in in the Q&A section.
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The real problem is people like you coddling these guys and thinking that we're a holes for pointing out the obvious. All you are doing is spoon feeding the weak and not letting any of em learn from their mistake. You swoop in any time somebody points out a noob mistake and unhook you're bra for the suckling. Well it needs to stop.
I had a witty reply all typed up and then I realized I just don't give a ****. I've got better things to do. Give those newbs hell. Maybe then they'll run to pay $5 for support to a guy who just plagiarizes from XDA anyway.
From the Forum Rules:
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.5 New Members: Treat new members the way you would have liked to have been treated when you were a new member. Provide the new members with guidance, advice and instruction always with respect and courtesy.
2.6 All members are expected to read and adhere to the XDA rules.
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
Thanks for everyones help.
http://www.youtube.com/user/xdadevelopers?feature=chclk
this is what they are going to to make the new people watch once becoming a member. and the simple answer is that you only have to be worried about the captivate if your on this form untill you get enough experience to start porting things yourself. The captivate is models i896 and i897 and they have interchangeable roms.
I agree to red81, if u dont like the post/topic, just ignore it and let the other members who wants to respond and help the newbis, imo..
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
lyrad12 said:
I agree to red81, if u dont like the post/topic, just ignore it and let the other members who wants to respond and help the newbis, imo..
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
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Watch the video above. I don't think the official xda opinion is that of let happen what may happen.
Thanks for being courteous.
Taz, don't take it personal...this is a great site to ask info and many, many people will be more than happy to help you out...noob or veteran.
Others are just cranky.
hi guys - as my inspire comrades, i'd love to offer you guys spotify invites. it's through this cool service i found called klout that measures your influence via social networks. they give you cool perks (ie spotify invites). anyways, here's the link: http://klout.com/perk/Spotify/Spoti...eeb5e4309f4a1e38f2a120afc3953fb10d7a27e7bf964
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Let me start this off by saying that I respect and love our mods for all their great work.
However, I have seen more and more in the past month or month.5 that many of the threads in this subforum have been closed. Some because they're no longer relevant for whatever purpose (which is a good thing), but other select threads are closed because they are off topic. The question I pose is why do some off-topic threads have to be closed?
Granted, this is a forum for developers and for phone support, applications, questions, etc, it is also a community. and because it's a community within a community (inspire users), I'd like to be able to have few off-topic conversations without them being closed by the mods. This is also the general subforum and therefore, I think it's appropriate if I want to start a slightly off-topic conversation with my fellow inspire users.
I understand the fact that sometimes off-topic threads can cause clutter, but I think thats most relevant in the case of multiple threads of the same topic.
disclaimer: conan, this post was not really inspired by you asking the other user to use the off-topic forum in the other spotify invite thread, but is a result of various threads i've seen closed recently. also, as i mentioned earlier, i would like to share the spotify invites with my fellow inspire users, not other random people that happen to also be browsing the off-topic forum.
lastly, i'd like to thank all of you amazing people for making my experience with the inspire so freaking awesome. this goes from the devs to the other people like me that respect and love the devs' work to the noobs without who we would be so peaceful and happy without having to tell them to search
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I appreciate what your saying about the fact that you'd rather offer these to another inspire user, not just the first random OT user to jump on your thread.
That said, there is an undeniable problem at the moment with clutter on the forums.
While your post is entirely genereous and well intentioned it is not strictly "on topic". I know this may seem petty but if we (the moderation team) are to bring the forums back into line the way they used to be, we need to be consistent in our actions.
You may not have asked for my opinion but I'll offer it anyway..
I would have just picked out a couple of members you'd like to donate these invites to and PM'd them, your two fav devs or someones who's helped you with a problem for example. Perhaps even your friendly forum moderator (just kidding).
I'm not gonna close your thread right now because like I said, I appreciate the intention behind it but let me know when they are claimed so I can close it and prevent it turning into a "Where can I get an invite??" thread...
Cheers.
I know this seems contrary to XDA's recent apparent policy of consolidating the number of forums rather than expanding, but maybe a community/off-topic board for various high-traffic devices would be in order.
I also have Spotify, but no invites, and would highly recommend you take this generous guy up on his offer.
conantroutman said:
I appreciate what your saying about the fact that you'd rather offer these to another inspire user, not just the first random OT user to jump on your thread.
That said, there is an undeniable problem at the moment with clutter on the forums.
While your post is entirely genereous and well intentioned it is not strictly "on topic". I know this may seem petty but if we (the moderation team) are to bring the forums back into line the way they used to be, we need to be consistent in our actions.
You may not have asked for my opinion but I'll offer it anyway..
I would have just picked out a couple of members you'd like to donate these invites to and PM'd them, your two fav devs or someones who's helped you with a problem for example. Perhaps even your friendly forum moderator (just kidding).
I'm not gonna close your thread right now because like I said, I appreciate the intention behind it but let me know when they are claimed so I can close it and prevent it turning into a "Where can I get an invite??" thread...
Cheers.
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whenever i rant, i like to hear opinions from everyone that i'm ranting about. so thanks for your opinion what do you think about having an inspire off-topic subforum? i feel that since the Q&A section popped up, the general section has been MUCH cleaner, so props for that! maybe this well help too, maybe not. oh well.
and also thanks for the advice about PM'ing people - i'll try that next time.
FYI - there's 1 invite left via the link in the OP
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whenever i rant, i like to hear opinions from everyone that i'm ranting about. so thanks for your opinion what do you think about having an inspire off-topic subforum? i feel that since the Q&A section popped up, the general section has been MUCH cleaner, so props for that! maybe this well help too, maybe not. oh well.
and also thanks for the advice about PM'ing people - i'll try that next time.
FYI - there's 1 invite left via the link in the OP
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Thanks, I was able to grab that final invite
cool glad i could help you guys out.
all set conan, thanks!!
stonewallmike said:
I know this seems contrary to XDA's recent apparent policy of consolidating the number of forums rather than expanding, but maybe a community/off-topic board for various high-traffic devices would be in order.
I also have Spotify, but no invites, and would highly recommend you take this generous guy up on his offer.
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Your the second person to bring this up. Are you guys conspiring against me
Initially I refused, as I've tried it elsewhere and it was a spectacular failure.
I will however, consult the oracle and see what he/she/it says....
@the op, gonna close this now if we are all done. Thanks for the rant
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
Honestly, I'm finding the whole XDA forums to be a completely hellish experience. I am not allowed to ask questions about programming on the Android platform (which is the only reason I joined the forum in the first place), until I make 10 'helpful posts'.
Under such conditions, these posts are bound to be artificial and contrived. This is only human nature, you can't force people to be helpful and giving, and trying to do so only creates the opposite, plus a load of frustration and resentment.
Yet, if you do make artificial or contrived posts, these will be deleted! But, of course they will be contrived, the only reason for making them, is to meet the 10 post requirement. How can they not be contrived, could somebody explain that to me, I genuinely don't get it.
I've been making games for over 25 years now, and I've never come across anything so fiendishly hellish before, as this 10 post rule. As much as I would love to be a member of this community, I just can't get me head around it. There is no possibly for me to make 10 helpful posts, without being dishonest and trying to deceive you.
Is dishonestly and deceit a requirement of being a member of this community?
Earn your rep. This is my first post. 9 more til i can jump up a rung.
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buffal0b1ll said:
Earn your rep. This is my first post. 9 more til i can jump up a rung.
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But if you're honest, isn't every post you make (to get to the 10) contrived, and you're only making it because it's another step along the way?
I know mine are. Only difference with me, is I'm being honest about it.
Of course every post we make is another step along the way.
Everything we do in life is another step along the way.
Is it really so much to ask that you make 10 helpful posts?
It's really not hard to do if you go to your devices forum and help some people out in either General or Q&A. There's also posts in this very section which can be answered even with only limited knowledge.
And if you don't feel like being helpful, then this is probably the wrong site for you considering this site has developers, themes etc. who put in countless hours of their own personal time making mods and decide to share them for the benefit of everyone.
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Of course every post we make is another step along the way.
Everything we do in life is another step along the way.
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Well, when we get to 10, it's a game changer; and we are then free to be natural and in a position to *freely* give and share our knowledge.
Before we get to the 10 post count, we're not freely giving and sharing our knowledge; we're doing so, in order to achieve the 10 post point.
I'm not trying to be belligerent or obtrusive at all. Honestly, I'm not.
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Is it really so much to ask that you make 10 helpful posts?
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Nope, the problem is when you ask that they are not contrived. It's like pointing a shotgun at someones head, and telling them 'act natural, or I shoot'. Under such circumstances, a person cannot act natural. If there were no shotgun, then it wouldn't be a problem and I would be free to respond naturally, and as I'm a helpful soul, I'd do what comes natural to me, and help people (as I do elsewhere in life, and on the internet).
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It's really not hard to do if you go to your devices forum and help some people out in either General or Q&A. There's also posts in this very section which can be answered even with only limited knowledge.
And if you don't feel like being helpful, then this is probably the wrong site for you considering this site has developers, themes etc. who put in countless hours of their own personal time making mods and decide to share them for the benefit of everyone.
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I will try.
Also, please understand, it's not that I don't feel like being helpful (in fact, I believe I am a very helpful and considerate soul); it's more that I feel incapable of making contrived helpful posts, when there is a shotgun to my head. It feels to me, as if I am being asked to act dishonestly.
It's not at all, that I just don't want to be helpful.
I have also put in countless hours, crafting my skill.
I'm actually also wondering if this is the right place for me. I'm a game developer, and in the process of porting a game to the Android platform (mostly I work on iOS). The kind of advice I'm looking for pertains to game development on Android, and I'm not sure if that's the focus of this forum?
The question I posted in the Q&A section, was related to sluggish touch input in a game I'm porting. I'm not sue the Q&A section is at all related to programming, though I could be wrong?
There are a bunch of debates/indignant threads, if you care
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1424
You're freely available to share your knowledge already. You don't need go have 10 posts to do that. It can be done by doing as I suggested before, answering peoples questions regarding the device you have.
The rules of xda ask that the posts new users make be helpful, because if they didn't, there would just be posts everywhere saying "thanks" or "good post" etc. As you can probably already see, there's loads of these posts as it is, so imagine how many there would be had these rules not been in place.
Each and every rule would've been thoroughly thought through and contemplated hundreds of times (at least) before they came into effect.
They're there because they work, while also bog driving away too many people.
There is a place for game development on here because as you may of may not have noticed, the majority of these device forums have a themes and apps section.
In there, you can find many a game which have been created by other members of xda.
On a final note, I won't discuss this further with you on this thread, because otherwise that's helping you get to 10 posts without actually helping out or contributing. That would defeat the purpose of my posts here.
If you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to PM me about it and I'll be glad to help you with any queries you have about this rule.
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I was frustrated too at first, but really? It is only ten posts man. Just refresh the general forum and find posts you can give a decent answer to. It isn't as bad as your making it seem.
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If you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to PM me about it and I'll be glad to help you with any queries you have about this rule.
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I will do, I'll send you a PM, thanks. It may be in a few days though, just need to cool down a little. Have been frustrated at a number of things (not just this place), also super-frustrated regarding the technical issue I'm having with multi-touches.
I don't mind if you delete this post; I appreciate if could be construed as an attempt to sneak in an extra post. Ironically, it's not, it's just me honestly expressing myself.
So yeah, may well leave if for a few days to cool down, and come back to it.
Best Regards,
J.
Wrong section, topic has beaten to death, etc. Thread closed.
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