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Positioning Through GSM/GPRS

Hey all,
A question here, i have heard this story a couple of times now but no proof. So maybe one of you can tell me if its a hoax or not.
I heard about a program that is able to triangulate your position by checking the signalstrenght. The program i heard about would be able to change to profiles to whatever you set them and whenever they should be activated.
For example: you come home, the program finds out you are close to home and puts on another callprofile etc.
The fact is that i know of LBS (location based service) and that those services are also working on the triangulation of cellphones.
Basically it should be possible but i can't find anything about a single program that is able to do something even close to that.
Do some of you have some more information if there is such a program or if its even possible?
Thanks!

I have been looking for that for years. It's the replacement of GPS (carry one more device). However, I search through the webs (visisted more than 100 sites). Some were restricted (police use) and some were requiring service charges per Kb.

Search for "navizon". I remember reading about it on here somewhere - let me know if its what your after and if its any good please.

Specs off navizon are very promising. It claims to use all available cell, wifi & gps data on p2p basis to locate your current position. Unfortunately PIE & Minimo aren't capable of downloading the installl files, so my try-out is a bit delayed.
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Thanks for the info petest. That looks very promising indeed!
It even has the possibility to let GPS software use it.
I just installed the whole package and fired it up but still no positioning data after 20 minutes.
I'll let it run for a day and see if something happens.
But thanks for the info and i'll let you all know if it starts working!

[AGPS] The Universal AGPS Project - Let's get it working!

Okay, so here's the deal. If we get AGPS working in some way, we can get MUCH quicker GPS fixes (30 seconds or less). I'm the coder for GPSToolPro you can find here in the Software subforum of the Raphael forum. I'm hoping to incorporate this into the program in some way.
I've managed to obtain the Lat/Long coordinates using Cell Tower information and Google.
There are two ways to solve this issue.
#1
Now, I'm looking to use these Registry Keys
HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\ServerIP
HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\ServerPort
HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\GPSMode
The plan is to set the ServerIP to 127.0.0.1 and run any port. Then the GPSToolPro will listen in on the port number on the device and RESPOND with the Lat/Long information obtained from Google. Right now, what I need is, somebody who has AGPS working with their provider to try to packet sniff and get see how we can make our own AGPS server run on the device. GPSMode mode will be set to "1", not "2". This is specific to the QualComm's GpsOne unit. The values are the following:
0 - Standalone - Your handset has no connection to the network, and uses only the GPS satellite signals it can currently receive to try and establish a location.
1 - MS Based - Your handset is connected to the network, and uses the GPS signals + a location signal from the network.
2 - MS Assisted - Your handset is connected to the network, uses GPS signals + a location signal then relays its 'fix' to the server, which then uses the signal strength from your phone to the network towers to further plot your position. You can still maintain voice communication in this scenario, but not 'Internet/Network service' ie Web Browser, IM, streaming TV etc..
4 - MS Assisted/Hybrid - Same as above, but network functionality remains. Normally only in areas with exceptional coverage.
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I haven't been able to find the signal strength of the tower I'm connected to yet so right now, I'm limited to mode 1. Also, I can only find information on the tower I'm currently connected to, not all of them so I can't try cell tower triangulation yet.
This solution is limited to only working with HTC GpsOne devices.
#2
We can also try using the IOCTL_GPS_WRITE_ASSISTED command. This command will directly send the AGPS info to the GPS device. The question is, how do we send this information? I believe we need to get a AGPS signal first, use IOCTL_GPS_READ_ASSISTED, parse that information, figure out the format, get Lat/Long from Google, format it in the same way as received from IOCTL_GPS_READ_ASSISTED and send it back with IOCTL_GPS_WRITE_ASSISTED.
This universal for all Windows Mobile phones.
For method #1, I need somebody who has an HTC device with a working AGPS signal (from their provider or whomever).
For method #2, I need any Windows Mobile device that has a working AGPS signal.
I say method #1 requires HTC device because supposedly AGPS isn't standardized and one manufacturer's AGPS format may differ from another.
Hopefully, with the your help, we can get this working.

let's support CLShortFuse iniciative, it would be incredible if we would get AGPS working.
My AGPS (Spain-Orange) doesn't work at all. And i don't know anybody that has a working AGPS device/operator combination.
I've read around XDA that some people in the Raphael CDMA section have AGPS working, maybe we could post there to see if somebody replies and can collaborate with this project.

I was just about to post something similar. Only I wasn't as prepared with as much information. I was going to try to start a thread to consolidate the AGPS server settings for each additional carrier since I'm with T-Mobile and using an AT&T Fuze. My AGPS is not working at all. It keeps trying to connect to AT&T's Media Net and naturally, it fails.
Would it be possible to maybe create some kind of way to trick the devices into thinking that they are AT&T Fuze's and connect to the Media Net to connect to AT&T's AGPS Servers?
I Personally support this project 100%!!
Side note - Has anyone gotten AGPS working on USA T-Mobile at all? I attached a screenshot of the result of what happens when I try to use AGPS on my Fuze.

dharvey4651:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"Network"="MEdia Net"
"GPRSConnection"="MEdia Net"
You need to change those to whatever your network is called on t-mobile

I dont know much about any of this, I have an AT&T Fuze with AT&T service, I also have the AT&T Navigator Software and an account with it, so, is there anything I can do to help? how do I know if my AGPS works or not?
dharvey4651 said:
I was just about to post something similar. Only I wasn't as prepared with as much information. I was going to try to start a thread to consolidate the AGPS server settings for each additional carrier since I'm with T-Mobile and using an AT&T Fuze. My AGPS is not working at all. It keeps trying to connect to AT&T's Media Net and naturally, it fails.
Would it be possible to maybe create some kind of way to trick the devices into thinking that they are AT&T Fuze's and connect to the Media Net to connect to AT&T's AGPS Servers?
I Personally support this project 100%!!
Side note - Has anyone gotten AGPS working on USA T-Mobile at all? I attached a screenshot of the result of what happens when I try to use AGPS on my Fuze.
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Actually, there are AGPS standards. Today, most GPS chipset vendors use their own AGPS platforms. However, that is rapidly changing. To my knowledge, most (including Snaptrack/GPSOne, aka Qualcomm) support 'secure user plane location architecture' or SUPL. This is a standard adopted by the OMA or 'Open Mobile Alliance' (www.openmobilealliance.org). The OMA is basically almost all of the heavy weights of wireless including Silicon manufacturers, Handset Vendors, Carriers, etc.
Currently, the OMA has ratified SUPL v1.0 and the standards body and members are working on the next version - 2.0.
What is SUPL? In a nutshell, SUPL is designed to support location determination regardless of the location server used by the mobile carrier. As the number of applications grow for LBS, so does the need by developers to work across location platforms and mobile device hardware manufacturers.
CLS, I am a bit confused as to your intentions. The Raphael supports artificial ephemerids (Qualcomm's GPSOneXTRA) which cut cold-start TTFF down to under 10 seconds. Using cellular triangulation won't buy you much.
Is there another reason I am missing here?

Da_G said:
dharvey4651:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"Network"="MEdia Net"
"GPRSConnection"="MEdia Net"
You need to change those to whatever your network is called on t-mobile
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I'll try this now. I think my data is called "T-Mobile Data"
fatguybp said:
I dont know much about any of this, I have an AT&T Fuze with AT&T service, I also have the AT&T Navigator Software and an account with it, so, is there anything I can do to help? how do I know if my AGPS works or not?
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If your AGPS is working, your GPS should lock in just under a minute every single time, sometimes even faster. With my old Sprint Touch(back when I was with Sprint), I was able to lock onto upwards of 7 satellites every single time in less than 10 seconds. Now it takes 2-5 minutes every time with my Fuze on T-Mobile.
Operation619 said:
Actually, there are AGPS standards. Today, most GPS chipset vendors use their own AGPS platforms. However, that is rapidly changing. To my knowledge, most (including Snaptrack/GPSOne, aka Qualcomm) support 'secure user plane location architecture' or SUPL. This is a standard adopted by the OMA or 'Open Mobile Alliance' (www.openmobilealliance.org). The OMA is basically almost all of the heavy weights of wireless including Silicon manufacturers, Handset Vendors, Carriers, etc.
Currently, the OMA has ratified SUPL v1.0 and the standards body and members are working on the next version - 2.0.
What is SUPL? In a nutshell, SUPL is designed to support location determination regardless of the location server used by the mobile carrier. As the number of applications grow for LBS, so does the need by developers to work across location platforms and mobile device hardware manufacturers.
CLS, I am a bit confused as to your intentions. The Raphael supports artificial ephemerids (Qualcomm's GPSOneXTRA) which cut cold-start TTFF down to under 10 seconds. Using cellular triangulation won't buy you much.
Is there another reason I am missing here?
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I've never had my Fuze lock it's GPS 10 seconds or less. NEVER. It's usually 2-5 minutes on average. Sometimes it doesn't even lock at all after standing outside in the cold for upwards of 5 minutes smoking a cigarette.

Dharvey:
I get 3D position fixes in open-sky conditions in ~6 seconds.
Under my balcony in my apartment in a highly attenuated partial-sky view I will get 3D fixes in ~20 seconds.
Indoor in my home office with a south facing window and light foliage I'll see 2D in about 1 minute and 3D almost always under 2 minutes.
At my corporate office with a re-radiating GPS antenna I'll see consistent GPS lock in ~6 seconds.
Hell, I'd love to put this in the multi-channel GPS simulator at my desk but I don't think that's a good idea.

Operation619 said:
Dharvey:
I get 3D position fixes in open-sky conditions in ~6 seconds.
Under my balcony in my apartment in a highly attenuated partial-sky view I will get 3D fixes in ~20 seconds.
Indoor in my home office with a south facing window and light foliage I'll see 2D in about 1 minute and 3D almost always under 2 minutes.
At my corporate office with a re-radiating GPS antenna I'll see consistent GPS lock in ~6 seconds.
Hell, I'd love to put this in the multi-channel GPS simulator at my desk but I don't think that's a good idea.
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Yes you definitely have working AGPS
I made the registry changes mentioned above and I'm about to test my AGPS now. If it works I'll make a cab file to make the registry changes for everyone who may want it. (T-Mobile Only of course)
EDIT:: Making the following registry changes seems to have helped a little. My GPS locked in about 1 minute in my bedroom from a cold start(after soft-reset) It also connected to the data instead of error-ing out which was also different.
FROM:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"Network"="MEdia Net"
"GPRSConnection"="MEdia Net"
TO:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"Network"="T-Mobile Data"
"GPRSConnection"="T-Mobile Data"
EDIT AGAIN:: I just soft-reset and from a dead cold start(GPS OFF COMPLETELY) it locked onto 8 satellites in less than a minute in my bedroom agian.
I'm starting to like this phone again.
EDIT AGAIN...Spoke too soon... It's doing it again. It was fast for 2 locks and 2 soft-resets but now it's slow again.
This is what the SUPL AGPS key looks like in my registry:
Code:
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"Network"="T-Mobile Data"
"GPRSConnection"="T-Mobile Data"
"PrivacyMethod"=dword:00000003
"TLSHostName"="h-slp.mnc410.mcc310.pub.3gppnetwork.org"
"ServerIP"="199.88.233.169"
"ServerURL"="h-slp.mnc410.mcc310.pub.3gppnetwork.org"
"DynamicURL"="h-slp.mnc000.mcc111.pub.3gppnetwork.org"
"EnabledPrivacyMethod"=dword:00000001
"CloseConfirmMsgTime"=dword:0000003C
"EnableLocInfo"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\DefaultSetting]
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"CloseConfirmMsgTime"=dword:0000003C
"PrivacyMethod"=dword:00000000
"EnableLocInfo"=dword:00000001

Nope. I'm not using any type of TOA or AOA, or what you and the OP are describing as "AGPS" on this handset. Network provided AGPS is disabled. Furthermore, GPS performance is somewhat better when my GSM radio is off.
Note that I am using the artificial ephemeris information provided by the Q or "QuickGPS" as most users know it.
These shots were taken in my home office scenario I described above. PDoP is pretty high (but still good) as I am in a poor visibility scenario (lots of multipath, limited sky view, etc.)

Well... I finally got AGPS working for me(at least it feels like it). My GPS is now locking onto 6-10 satellites in less than a minute every single time. Even after a soft-reset without using any kind of primer like GPSToday or HTC GPS Tool.
I'm a happy camper.
All it took was a little tweaking to the registry and now it works.
I attached a cab file to fix the AGPS.
WARNING!!! This is ONLY FOR USA T-Mobile!!

Harvey,
Are you downloading the QuickGPS file? If so, what's the age of the download?

Operation619 said:
Harvey,
Are you downloading the QuickGPS file? If so, what's the age of the download?
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Where does QuickGPS download to? I downloaded it today but I never bothered looking for the file it downloaded.

I would suspect you are still not using network-assisted positioning. The QuickGPS file is aiding the receiver.
If you were using network assistance you would be getting rough position (<1000m) in seconds. Even indoors or your basement where there is zero GPS signal available.

Here's a quick way to test if AGPS is really working.
Set GPSMode to 1. GPSMode is normally set to 2 - it will auto-fallback if AGPS fails.
GPSMode 1 will continually try to get an AGPS fix, and not send you any NMEA data at all if it doesn't. You'll probably need to up the value in TimeBetweenFixes from 1 to at least 3 or 4, allowing only 1 second between fixes doesn't give your phone enough time to send location data to the AGPS PDE server and get a response.
Anywho, in GPSMode 1 i get no NMEA strings at all, so my agps is definitely broke

Operation619 said:
I would suspect you are still not using network-assisted positioning. The QuickGPS file is aiding the receiver.
If you were using network assistance you would be getting rough position (<1000m) in seconds. Even indoors or your basement where there is zero GPS signal available.
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You may be right but I feel that It's still using some form of network assisted GPS because it's never been this fast before. I hard-reset and did not use QuickGPS at all and my results are the same.

Try turning off your radio to see if you still have the same TTFF.

Remember QuickGPS will download it's data in the background on a cradled connection with no cue from you, too, so make sure it didnt download \Windows\xtra.bin and inject it without you knowing
Also the QuickGPS data survives a hard reset if "ClearGPS" flag isnt set for the hard reset program or you don't have the CleanGPSData package in your ROM.

Operation619 said:
Try turning off your radio to see if you still have the same TTFF.
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I'll try this now.
EDIT:: Seems you're right. It just locked onto 10 satellites in flight mode right in my bedroom in less than 30 seconds. WOW. Never saw it do that before.

Good catch Da G.
Harvey - are you willing to do a little test?
To test if network assistance is available and helping you might want to try the following.
This test will need to be performed at the same location in an ideal, open-sky condition with the handset in the same orientation in your hand each time:
1. Make sure your handset is free of the QuickGPS file.
2. Shut off all radios, go outside in a clear, open-sky environment.
3. Acquire 3D position fixes 10 times. Record the times it takes to acquire in seconds (aka TTFF).
4. Average the TTFFs
5. Power Cycle the handset.
6. Ensure no programs or registry settings inhibit AGPS or network assistance.
7. Make sure there is no QuickGPS file present.
8. Turn on your GSM radio.
9. Re-acquire GPS 3D position fixes in the same open-sky area 10x and record each TTFF
10. Average the TTFFs
What's the result?

trace/track a GSM mobile telephones location

Hi All,
I know it is possibile to trace/track a GSM mobile telephones location all over the world.
I also know some compaines does this for chargeable service.
I am VERY interested in getting this for free! (I bet you are also).
Anyone know how to do this without empty our pockets??
Thanks,

in fact, i have the same interest.

who wouldnt love to know how to do this?

The only information you can get out of your own phone, is the ID of the basestation it is attached to. This is held in a register in the phone internals that can be read via the RIL interface.
It is also stored in the SIM. If the phone is totally powered off it will attempt to connect to the last known good base station on power on. (Quicker than sniffing around all available frequences for an suitable station.)
While a change of basestation could be detected by software running on a phone, only the Telco's database has the location of all active phones, so they can inform the basestation to contact your phone if there is an incoming call or data.
This data is theirs and theirs alone. It is valuable and confidential, hence the charge for any use of it.
In short all you can find out from your phone is where it is. But you know that anyway.

Erm... I just wrote this and then I realized that you want to track the device via GSM and not GPS. This will only work with GPS (can be activated in the background), sorry.
Just look for an application that allows you to track your device if its stolen. Some of the programs still work after changing simcard (which is not really interesting if it did not get stolen in the first place...). If everything is set up, you can easily receive a sms with the current location (you need to activate the programm by sending a sms).
If you need to know the exact position of the device like every second, you can use a jogging-trainer which logs the speed etc. But this will only store the positions on the device (you can upload them to your computer, but this can probably not be done via any wireless connection.
My english is not the best, I am sorry. But I am sure you're gonna understand everything ;D And no, I don't know any programs name because I don't use them.
XphX

Stephj, are You talking about GSM or CDMA? Because for GSM I know for sure that the Telco knows a bit more - at least it is possible to triangulate the user's approximate position using three or more base stations (and probably user's signal strength for each base station too). So the DB should hold more info about the base stations available to user's current position, as for example "ready to go base stations" or something like that.

For tracking the phone, you can try GLympse or LookOut, Look out is better if you loos your phone, it synchronize with their website, and can see the location on the phone anywhere in the world, even can delete your data from your web account on look out.

Fuze: GPS Faaarked :(

Ok, I've moved from a Touch Pro to a ex-AT&T Fuze so that I could get 850Mhz band I needed on Telstra (Australia). It's all working awesomely thanks to the guys help here and after a diversion where I had to get my SIM card holder replaced.
Now the remaining glitch is that the GPS is totally unusable Which is a show stopper since I use it a lot. I had it in the car for a 2 hour drive, and it only found one or two satellites the whole time, and they were not strong enough to get a lock. Most of the time it showed zero. Sometimes I eventually get a lock, but it doesn't last.
By comparison the Touch Pro has no problem getting and keeping a GPS lock under the same circumstances (with the two units side by side). They are both running Tael's ROM and the same version of Tomtom. Google Maps has the same issues.
Two possibilities I can think of are:
1) The Fuze has a bad radio ROM and upgrading/downgrading might help
2) When the phone repair place replaced the SIM holder, they didn't connect the GPS aerial correctly - so I'll need to take it back
For #1, I'm a bit doubtful as it is reporting v1.14.25.35, protocol 52.64c.25.35U and this thread seems to rate the GPS reception as one of the best. Also can I put any Raphael radio ROM on the Fuze? Or do I need to find an 850Mhz AT&T one?
#2 is going to be awkward as I'll have to convince them they have done something wrong and get them to repair it free of charge. Can anyone tell me how likely this is? Has anyone pulled one of these units apart? Is the GPS aerial something that they may have just not plugged in?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated. (I'd be over the moon if there was a simple software fix. Anything else I should check? (I have updated QuickGPS with the latest data etc).
Thanks in advance!

I'd say run GPS Test while standing still and wait for a lock - I'm not sure what conditions you've tested in, but I've had experiences in the past with the Fuze (and a magellan) that if you were driving, the thing would take forever to get a lock if you didn't get a lock before moving.
Also; I'm running 1.14.25.05 - I ran .35 for a while, but reverted because NRG uses the .05 rilphone.dll; you could try that....

Thanks for the reply, but I've tried it standing still. Very occasionally I can get a lock, but it takes about 30 minutes, and doesn't seem to matter if I am moving or not. My Touch Pro is running a really old radio (10.x from memory) and it can lock and hold the satellites fine.
Has anyone pulled one of these things apart and can tell me what could be a hardware issue? Is the GPS aerial something which needs to be plugged into the mainboard for example?

Does your quick gps have the correct regional setting? Check HKLM/Software/HTC/QuickGPS. There is a value for region-I'm not sure if it updates automatically or not for your location. All I know is that my fuze's GPS sucked donkey balls in the UK. Normally, it just sucks French Poodle balls. I don't use A-GPS, so that wasn't the issue.

Hmm...ok. I had assumed that A-GPS was the technology, and QuickGPS was HTCs implementation. Are they different things?
Anyway, both the Fuze and the Touch Pro are running exactly the same ROMs (Tael's latest) with the same QuickGPS software and identical registry settings (but different Radio ROMs).
I just did a refresh of the QuickGPS data and put them side by side on my balcony for about 10 mins. Ran Tomtom with the GPS diag screen. Not a great view of the cloudy sky, but...
Touch Pro:
Shows a number of satellites, and finds reception from 3 or 4. The dots move around the compass a bit. Not as many detected initially (grey dots down the bottom of the screen is only about 10). Still can get a signal from one satellite sitting inside on my couch.
Fuze:
Full bottom row of grey dots, but didn't get any signal from a single satellite the whole time. Nothing. Also, the positions of the satellites on the compass seem to be in different places than the Touch Pro.
Re the region settings... the registry on both devices doesn't have this entry. There is a curRegion=dword:00000000, but no region at all. I'm wondering why this would be needed since the Touch Pro doesn't have it either and seems to work, but suggestions are welcome.
I notice there is no Services key either, like I found in some other posts. eg:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\QuickGPS]
"Keep"=dword:00000001
"Index"=dword:00000000
"Order"=dword:000000FF
"DisplayName"="QuickGPS app service"
"Description"="dll for icon in TodayScreen"
"Context"=dword:00000000
"Dll"="GPSAux.dll"
"Prefix"="GUX"
Again, the Touch Pro is working fine without this, but is this still needed in modern ROMs?
Still wondering if this is a hardware problem. Can anyone tell me how likely it is that the phone repair guys forgot to plug an aerial in or something?
Also, is there any better GPS diag software or is Tomtom the best bet?
Thanks.

A-GPS and QuickGPS are unrelated. A-GPS uses cell towers to help get a fix. If you've got the same roms on each device, I'd guess they're working the same. I think the gpsaux.dll service just warns you when the data expires, but I'm not 100% sure of that.
Try different radios; that's all I can suggest. The GPS on my fuze pretty much blows, so you're not alone.

Ok...how do I turn AGPS on again then?
By "pretty much blows" I assume you don't mean you can drive on an open freeway for 2 hours with clear skys and only faintly see one satellite the whole time do you?
I was kinda happy with the GPS on the Touch Pro even though it would sometimes take until the end of my street to get a lock.
Wonder if I should do a hard reset before taking it back to the repair shop... sigh.

You can turn A-GPS on with advanced config, and also enable logging, which will tell you if it's working or not. These are the keys for logging (I don't use it, so mine are blank).
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver]
"MaxLogFileSize"=dword:00000000
"OldLogFile"=""
"CurrentLogFile"=""
I think that A-GPS is HKLM\software\HTC\SUPL-AGPS\enabled=1, or something like that.
I used to get pretty good cold locks, like in less than 2 min reliably, but now it seems to take forever, as much as 30 min. It seems like my gps has gotten worse over time. Once it's locked, it works fine, though.

Ah yep - thanks. Advanced Config says "Assisted GPS = Yes". It's logging, but for some reason I can never open the log file (error, cannot be opened). The backup log file opens, but I'm not sure how to read it. About 4 lines with seemingly random text and lots of commas...

Ok, this is still not working...
I took it back to the repair place, who opened it up, did a visual inspection and told me there was nothing wrong with the hardware. They said it is a software problem (which it may be, but faaarked if I can work out what)
I have downloaded the HTC GPS Tool. I don't exactly know what the log data that it shows is, but I'm guessing since it seems to connect ok to COM4 that it is finding the GPS chip in my phone, just not getting anything useful as far as a signal goes.
Does anyone know how to read the logging data from this tool? I'm guessing that just because it is receiving data doesn't mean that it can see any satellites (since it performs just as well indoors)
Next I tried loading 'Raphael Radio 1.08.25.20M1' and the relevant Rilphone cab - when I read up about Rilphone cabs I started to wonder if that was the source of the problem, since I assume TEAL's ROM doesn't include the specific version for my radio. No luck though.
Next I put on the latest TEAL ROM, mainly just to set everything back to defaults in case I had screwed anything up. Updated the QuickGPS and then spent ages standing on the side of the road with my fingers crossed...
Nothing. Not a single satellite signal.
Any suggestions? Otherwise I'm going to have to buy a new phone. Should I keep trying different radio ROMs? Is there any way to check the hardware is actually ok?

I don't know if the microsoft gpsid.dll is included in the rom or not, but you could try switching from using the HTC intermediate driver (gpsidhtc.dll) to it. I've been using the gpsid.dll for a few weeks, and it's not worse, but may be better than the HTC one (tough to say, really).
These are the reg keys for gpsid.dll:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"Dll"="GPSID.dll"
"Order"=dword:10
"Keep"=dword:1
"Prefix"="GPD"
"Index"=dword:0
"Context"=dword:0
"Flags"=dword:2
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
"Dll"="GPSID.dll"
"Keep"=dword:1
"Flags"=dword:2
"Context"=dword:12344160
Here are the ones for the HTC driver:
Code:
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"Dll"="GPSID_HTC.dll"
"Order"=dword:100
"Keep"=dword:1
"Prefix"="GPD"
"Index"=dword:0
"Context"=dword:0
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
If you try it, do a full backup beforehand. I had trouble trying to get the HTC driver reloaded once. You may need a hard reset/restore.

GPS Settings: Performance Options (improvement)

Ok, There are a lot of posts and information regarding the GPS issue that some are experiencing. I am starting (yet) another post in the interest of compiling and maintaining information regarding that information in one location. As users/devs find out information I will update this post so everyone doesn't have to go looking everywhere for the information. I am hoping that the Moderator will sticky this post.
Some users are experiencing very long lock times for their GPS. Everyone, after reading A LOT of posts/threads it seems to be the consensus that this is a software/settings issue - NOT, a hardware issue. However, results from tweaking the following settings are very mixed. Most seem to get great results by tweaking the following settings while stationary - but, moving is a whole different ball game. I use the below settings and have great results while stationary. However, my G1 blows the Captivate completely out of the water!!! My G1 gave 3-10m accuracy while driving. This device can barely keep me on the correct highway and always seem lagging behind my current location. The G1 was spot on no matter what. What hasn't been determined is if these issues are hardware or software. For whatever my opinion is worth - I think it is a firmware/software issue. Here are some things to try.
Here is the info:
To get to your GPS settings open you dialer and dial the following number. This will not call anyone - it is a code shortcut to the settings:
*#*#1472365#*#*
Once entered you will observe a screen that has five buttons:
Get Position Test
Application Settings
SUPL/CP Settings
Test Application
Delete GPS Data
We will be interested in three of these initial buttons.
Get Position Test: This will be what one uses to test the results of your changes.
Application Settings: Exactly what it says.
SUPL/CP Settings: settings that determine specific data connectivity with the satellites.
In Application Settings the following are some that you might consider adjusting:
Operation Mode - Standalone, MS Based, MS assisted, Network Provider
Accuracy - defaults to 50. Don't set it below 10 (and only use increments of 10's)
SkyHook - not sure what it does. But, someone on a thread mentioned it and it DOES effect satellite lock times.
In SUPL/CP Settings one we'll be interested in the following:
Server FQDN Type
Server
Server Port
The following are the options provided on other threads:
Original/Stock Settings:
SUPL/CP Settings/SErver FQDN Type/Custom Config
Application settings/Operation Mode/Standalone
SUPL/CP Settings/Server/www.spirent-lcs.com
SUPL/CP Settings/Port/7275
Second suggested setup (from other posts and claimed to have great results):
SUPL/CP Settings/SErver FQDN Type/Custom Config
Application settings/Operation Mode/MS Based
SUPL/CP Settings/Server/supl.google.com
SUPL/CP Settings/Port/7276
Other settings that I have played with:
Application settings/SkyHook/On (and Off)
SUPL/CP Settings/SErver FQDN Type/Auto Config (and Custom Config)
You can play around with these to see what gives you the best results. If your GPS doesn't work better with whatever changes you made - than you can always put it back to the orginal settings above.
However, it has been recommended and I concur (for whatever that is worth) that you NEED TO SET THE FOLLOWING BEFORE YOU START PLAYING AROUND: Settings/Location and security/uncheck (turn off) "Use Wireless Networks). Most likely this won't really effect anything while your testing within the GPS settings - however, this will effect your results if you test using Google Maps, etc.
Now, having duly noted all of the above and having played around with the settings for several hours I found the best results FOR MY DEVICE IN MY AREA AT ONE LOCATION was the following:
Note: I adjusted these settings from earlier as the earlier settings proved to be very accurate when stationary - but, very inaccurate while moving. The latest settings I'm using are below. Also, look to the bottom of this post regarding changing your gps configuration file. That also helped A LOT. The bottom section of information is from the Official websites that run the time servers(effects GPS performance).
Application Settings/Operation Mode/MS Based
Application Settings/Operation Mode/SkyHook/ON (VERY IMPORTANT)
SUPL/CP Settings/Server FQDN Type/Custom Config
SUPL/CP Settings/Server/supl.google.com
SUPL/CP Settings/Server Port/7276
SUPL/CP Settings/SUPL Secure Socket/Off
Turning "SkyHook" ON assisted in faster locks with ALL of my tested settings when stationary!
My test results with the above would lock on up to three satellites in under four seconds and between 7 and 10 by eight seconds. Google Maps would locate me in about 6-8 seconds.
Using "Get Position Test" the settings in the three lines above consistently gave the not only the fastest locks and the most locks - but, also STRONGER SIGNALS!
I used at least seven different combinations of the above settings and some of them were just as quick - but, not as strong. Most of them were slower.
If anyone has better information to add then please PM me and I will add it to this top post.
LASTLY, I will make some guesses as to what some of the other settings do as I have heard different information:
Application Settings:
Session Type: Tracking or Singleshot - obvious (use Tracking)
Start Mode: Hot or Cold Start - someone posted on a thread that Hot uses data from your last read to get started. Cold start will start all over. So, Cold start SHOULD increase the time for you to get a lock unless you went left the area to an area that had different satellite to look up.
Test Application:
Performance Test: worked for me - but, I found the test above to work faster and give me quicker results for what I wanted.
Hardware Test/Sensitivity Test: Pretty cool - went on forever and I stopped it.
CNO Test: Seemed to test the average satellite signal strength.
Antenna Test: Never worked for me and I received errors.
H/W Test Settings: Settings for the above tests - I didn't mess with them.
NOTE: WANT TO SEE HOW ACCURATE YOUR ACCELEROMETER/COMPASS/ORIENTATION settings are? Check this out:
Test Application/Show Sensor Data - there is no way to calibrate it here... But, you can see just how sensitive your instruments are!!
Delete GPS Data - I didn't select this button and I don't recommend anyone else doing so either unless someone from Samsung tells us what it does. LOL!
FINALLY: Keep in mind that if you are seeing GPS lock times that are in the 3-8 second range (which was what I was getting) this WILL NOT be how long it takes for Google Maps to get the GPS data! Expect 8-15 seconds or a little longer (but, under 30 seconds) for Google Maps to pick up your location. Although the GPS sensors might pick up the satellites - you still have to give the software time to evaluate the data and apply it to the software.
Hope this helps someone out there.
Update/Additional Information (http://androidforums.com/1194187-post197.html):
Hot Start - The GPS receiver remembers its last calculated position and which satellites were in view, the almanac used, and the UTC Time. It then performs a reset and attempts to acquire satellites and calculate a new position based upon the previous information. This is the quickest re-acquisition of a GPS lock.
Cold Start - The GPS receiver dumps all information and resets. It then attempts to locate satellites and then calculate a GPS lock. This takes the longest because there is no known information. The GPS receiver has to attempt to lock a satellite signal from all of the satellites, basically like polling, which takes a lot longer than knowing which satellites to look for. This re-acquisition of a GPS lock takes the longest.
Thanks to Shadow77895 for the link to this info. I altered the settings above. Doesn't effect my results much at all.
MSBased Operation Mode(http://www.vzwdevelopers.com/aims/public/menu/lbs/LBSFAQ.jsp#GenQues11):
What is MS-Based mode of operation?
In MS-Based mode, the network provides the satellite information to the device, based on a rough estimate of where the device is located, and the device acquires the GPS signals from the satellites and calculates its location. After the initial fix, the device operates like an autonomous GPS receiver, until the satellite information must be refreshed, at which time the device goes back to the network to update the satellite information. MS-Based mode is appropriate for applications that require the device location to be updated rapidly, such as a navigation application.
And email thread regarding using the Google settings for GPS(http://osdir.com/ml/android-platform/2009-08/msg00386.html)
NEW INFORMATION!!!
ALSO! Check out this page: http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html:
As pool.ntp.org will assign you timeservers from all over the world, time quality will not be ideal. You get a bit better result if you use the continental zones (For example europe, north-america, oceania or asia.pool.ntp.org), and even better time if you use the country zone (like ch.pool.ntp.org in Switzerland) - for all these zones, you can again use the 0, 1 or 2 prefixes, like 0.ch.pool.ntp.org. Note, however, that the country zone might not exist for your country, or might contain only one or two timeservers. If you know timeservers that are really close to you (measured by network distance, with traceroute or ping), time probably will be even better.
Find your optimal pool server here: http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/north-america
For US the optimal server is: us.pool.ntp.org
Reference other threads I (http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731462) I recommend you do the following:
Use Root Explorer or some other method (I use Root Explorer as it has a built in Text Editor and automatically backs up the altered file.) to go to here:
system/etc/gps.conf
Use the text editor to alter the gps.conf file to this (if you are in the US):
NTP_SERVER=us.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=north-america.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
If you are NOT in the US go to here: http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html and look at the links in the center of the page to navigate to the closest pool to your geographical location and use that pool for the top server entry.
REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
Many are suggesting that we do NOT leave the Secure Socket ON. How will this effect data security with our devices? I don't understand how it could hurt us... But, there must be a reason for it. If someone could let me know I would appreciate it.

Good, guide, think you meant hot start should be faster though.
I'll be linking to this.
Sent from my Samsung Captivate using XDA app

Great, but doesn't address the problem
I need to point out that while this information is helpful it doesn't really address the problem that the GPS is facing.
What the above settings are doing is enabling multiple different A-GPS technologies to help compensate for the Galaxy S's poor GPS performance. A properly functioning GPS unit would not need these crutches except to acquire a faster fix.
I had my GPS outdoors today, with the first set of recommended settings, and was unable to achieve a fix while seven satellites were in view (according to it) with sufficient signal strength. This is a GPS firmware issue!
The above post is very helpful for people to get some better performance - however - the core GPS issues need to be addressed by Samsung.
I hope people will refrain from saying "It's perfect now!" and let up on Samsung. Unless you know what what the following are you're tweaking settings blindly and declaring victory: ephemeris, PDOP, SBAS, WGS-84, 2D fix, 3D fix (And the conditions one is chosen over the other.) and finally SA
I'm betting this phone would never achieve a fix in an SA environment! It's also clear that the person(s) who originated this information knew exactly what they were doing..!
If anyone is interested in learning how GPS works there are tons of great resources on the web that Google will point you to. Of course they're written for all sorts of different levels.
In short, the above settings may help, but please don't become convinced that things are "fixed"!

I'd suggest you read my posts on the subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7244888#post7244888
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7289539#post7289539

@haydonxda - I agree that this does NOT address the potential problem that the firmware and/or hardware is inadequate! And, we should put pressure on Samsung to fix this issue. However, the phones have already been produced and I'm just trying to do the best with I have.
@Shadow77895 - thanks for the info. Added a bunch of further information after looking into your posts and references from them.

Try this fix (from 4pda.ru), working on Galaxy S, root access required:
$su
#cat /data/gps/secgps.conf > /sdcard/secgps.conf
#rm /data/gps/secgps.conf
#reboot
After reboot, new (correct) secgps.conf appears.
At your own risk!

shaneaus said:
NEW INFORMATION!!!
ALSO! Check out this page: http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html:
As pool.ntp.org will assign you timeservers from all over the world, time quality will not be ideal. You get a bit better result if you use the continental zones (For example europe, north-america, oceania or asia.pool.ntp.org), and even better time if you use the country zone (like ch.pool.ntp.org in Switzerland) - for all these zones, you can again use the 0, 1 or 2 prefixes, like 0.ch.pool.ntp.org. Note, however, that the country zone might not exist for your country, or might contain only one or two timeservers. If you know timeservers that are really close to you (measured by network distance, with traceroute or ping), time probably will be even better.
Find your optimal pool server here: http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/north-america
For US the optimal server is: us.pool.ntp.org
Reference other threads I (http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731462) I recommend you do the following:
Use Root Explorer or some other method (I use Root Explorer as it has a built in Text Editor and automatically backs up the altered file.) to go to here:
system/etc/gps.conf
Use the text editor to alter the gps.conf file to this (if you are in the US):
NTP_SERVER=us.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=north-america.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
If you are NOT in the US go to here: http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html and look at the links in the center of the page to navigate to the closest pool to your geographical location and use that pool for the top server entry.
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How do you use the text editor in Root Explorer. I can see the text but it won't allow me to edit it.

Hello, the code:
*#*#1472365#*#*
starts a GPS Test Application.
The settings inside this application are only for this application.
You can test your GPS in different modes.
But the settings are not relevant for other applications.
It is a simple illusion that it helps to manipulate this settings.
GPS is very time-dependent.
And:
I don't know where we can change the default GPS Mode/s...

So when I walk outside my office there are like 7 satellites, and I still cannot get a lock. This is sad.
Out of the box it worked great, navigated from BB to my house with relative ease. Inside my house when I showed my parents it worked great. I rooted and deleted some ATT apps. I have yet to get a lock.
I have also changed the NTP servers and no dice. This is pretty saddening performance.

I still don't get why my Nexus One, sitting right next to my Samsung Captivate, is able to get a aGPS location (via My Location in maps) that is pretty damn accurate despite not having a GPS lock and my Captivate is unable to even get an aGPS location and just says my location data is temporarily unavailable.
Nexus One: Can get approximate location very easily
Samsung Captivate: Cannot even get approximate location using WIFI/Cell Towers.
Foursquare never knows where I am until I go outside in the middle of a parking lot. This is BS.

Won't anyone try GPS NMEA MONITOR App and see if the data sentences are correct? If the GPS chipset is putting out the correct Lat/Lon, then you can fiddle and fiddle what Captivate does with the information

Has anyone tried to contact Samsung about the issue yet? I tried yesterday and was on hold for an hour and half and then my call dropped. I'm joint to try again today.

SkyHook isn't a "feature" persay, it's a corporation: http://www.skyhookwireless.com/
Same one Apple uses. Not sure exactly how it works but they do wardrive and use WiFi and triangulation to pick up your position as well, so leaving that OFF will perhaps be better for calibrating your GPS settings, but you certainly want it back ON when in normal use.

TexUs said:
SkyHook isn't a "feature" persay, it's a corporation: http://www.skyhookwireless.com/
Same one Apple uses. Not sure exactly how it works but they do wardrive and use WiFi and triangulation to pick up your position as well, so leaving that OFF will perhaps be better for calibrating your GPS settings, but you certainly want it back ON when in normal use.
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What kind of aGPS does the Nexus One use? I tried to dial the code and it didn't bring up the same menu on the Nexus (it may be different). My Nexus is great at figuring out where I am without a GPS signal.

I changed all my settings last night and it seemed to fix the issue. I was getting a lock within 10 seconds or less. Now I cannot get a lock with the exact same settings and reboot. Has anyone contacted Samsung over this? Anyone get an answer from them? I love this phone but the GPS issue sucks.

Every time I try one of these new fixes it seems to work but then when I go somewher else it is broken again they need to fix this asap. I use that feature a lot

superscientific said:
I changed all my settings last night and it seemed to fix the issue. I was getting a lock within 10 seconds or less. Now I cannot get a lock with the exact same settings and reboot. Has anyone contacted Samsung over this? Anyone get an answer from them? I love this phone but the GPS issue sucks.
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I just got off the phone with Samsung galaxy s support. They knew nothing!!!!!! Said I was the first one to call with the issue.
I'm thinking about returning the phone... GPS is the most important part of a smartphone to me... I'm very disappointed

Jreitnauer7 said:
I just got off the phone with Samsung galaxy s support. They knew nothing!!!!!! Said I was the first one to call with the issue.
I'm thinking about returning the phone... GPS is the most important part of a smartphone to me... I'm very disappointed
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I don't know about most important but I agree, it's very important. This HAS to be fixed

Jreitnauer7 said:
I just got off the phone with Samsung galaxy s support. They knew nothing!!!!!! Said I was the first one to call with the issue.
I'm thinking about returning the phone... GPS is the most important part of a smartphone to me... I'm very disappointed
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Don't give up hope, i'm sure that guy doesnt know anything. Engadget and a few sites are aware of the issue and i'm sure Samsung took notice. i'm sure a firmware fix is in the works.

Location
I have tried all the settings. And I don't really notice any difference. I live in the heart of Manhattan, NY., so I am sure roaming around int he concrete jungle trying to get a lock surely has a lot to do with my GPS issue. I do however, get a lock in every setting that has been written up in this forum, and other forums. The difference to me is hardly any, since it always takes many minutes for me to get a lock. I never have used any other GPS device since living here in the city, so I would like to ask other who live in a large city if it is taking them several minutes as well? Because it seems as though people are saying it is taking them only seconds to lock on. Hmmm.....