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What's so great about WM6?

Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma

WM6.0...
The new look and a lot faster device...

Is there any feature that won't be available with WM6, that did work fine in WM5?
Thanks,
vma

Video call isn't working yet.

Rolud said:
The new look and a lot faster device...
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The way I see it, WM6 may or may not work for you and may or may not do it for you. Try it. You can always go back to WM5. Most people don't.....

Well .... the simple answer is that I did a lot of searching and reading, and finally tried it out for myself.
I asked this very question a while ago right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1130569&postcount=88
And came to the follwowing conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1155497&postcount=89
In the conclusion, the thing about the Bluetooth Stack / Voice Command - it was actually Voice Command that was the problem and this issue was fixed in Jrwightmcps' 2.02.00 WWE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297256

Crossbow ONLY!
Tell you the truth... i see the new WM6 is better eye-catching GUI not to mention the enhancement in the functionality and other usability such as email related functions. I know that MS wont just upgrade for no obvious reason nor for desktop OS compatibility.
Yet i reckon i wont -never- go back to magento! Crossbow ONLY!

@nvatvani:
Indeed your posts where the only ones I read, that contained some usefull info about the subject.
No offense to all the other members of course!
I was simply wondering about what to do when my MDA Pro arrives: replace the German firmware with a WWE WM5 one or go straight ahead to WM6 without even looking at WM5.
Also, I had some problems with my Blue Angel, when I tried WM5 on it: it may have been a coincidence, but one day after the upgrade the screen went mad and totally messed up. Only 1 Hardreset in about 100 tries would bring it back to normal for some period of time and even reflashing it with WM5 or 2003SE would not make it work normal again. The screen would get messed up suddenly for no particular reason. At the end I had to send it in for repair, which was actually a good thing, as I complained about the loose stylo and bad working hardkeys, all within warranty. I got a new key-pcb, backside and they reflashed the device with 2003SE. I posted this issue in the BA forum, but got no usefull hint. This means I am a little scared of upgrading to unofficial releases.
Other than that, I have no problems with flashing, as I do that on my other hobby (satellite receivers) frequently, including JTAG-operations for repairing bricked devices. The same applies to games consoles. (Note: I do not sell or benefit commercially from that activity and my goal is not to get illegal software or TV - not that you guy's get the wrong idea about me).
Anyway, thanks for your replies!
Cheers,
vma

What Windows Mobile 5.0 AKU 2.0 has and Windows Mobile 6 (the cooked ones, having tried them all) doesn't have, according to my experiences:
1. Videocalling - at least not a proper one
2. Bluetooth Dial Up Networking (the DUN profile)
3. Wireless Modem (yet some WM6 ROM's have it, although without shortcut in the start menu)
4. Cyberon Voice Dial by default (some WM6 ROM's have it by default, others will need a 500kB CAB to activate it)
The reason why I went back to "good old" WM5 is mainly the reliability. Ok, the OS may be a bit slower here and there, but it has all the functionality (e.g. videocalls and Bluetooth DUN), and NEVER hangs. It just always works and that's what I desperately need right now.
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The things Windows Mobile 6 has for me that 5.0 hasn't which I miss the most:
1. High resolution browsing in the normal Internet Explorer (I don't want to use alternatives)
2. HTML email support
3. The impressive speed of the OS
Applications like WM6's Windows Live and the superb Remote Desktop Client are also available for WM5, so I don't need to miss those, otherwise I sure would, and then I might have sticked with WM6.
The new sounds and GUI are great, but I don't really miss them, since that's not a true functional thing.
Having WM5 up and running again, without freezes and memory leaking and with full HTC Universal functionality, is enough for me to be happy with it and to stick with it. If there ever will be a ROM that actually ADDS Windows Mobile 6 on top of all of this (without a single registry tweak or CAB fix needed), then it's the time for me to upgrade again.
If such a ROM will ever see the daylight, since it won't be officially available for the Universal, I don't know. I think the HTC X7500 (Athena) will be there sooner (April 2007 over here), and that one will have a official WM6 upgrade for sure. That'll be my next one, so until then: WM5 for my Universal!
So far for my opinion.

why do I use WM6
vma said:
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
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To be honest, I used them all and later delteted them after 5 2 hours. They leak a lot, ram is at minimum and useless third party applications, and a lot fo thing sodn't really work or missing (I just want a vanill aone without 3rd party applications).
Except for one rom, Darkforce, it is fast and furious, and so far I have using it for two days; battery usage is good, and no leaks. However, no video calling, and no way to set com ports for bluetooth devices. any1 has this problem?
However, common to all ROMS, no video calling, old calculator, speed dial messed up (some work and some don't), wireless connection bubble missing (yes you can install a cab but I don't want to do that).
<Mind you, contrary to other reports, I never had any freezes with any rom.
The thing that attracts me is HTML in email, High resolution mode in explorer, better remote desktop connectivity.
So I thhink I am sticking with DarkForce ROM, so far so good.
Thx

Why use WM6 over WM5?

I've tried quite a few of the WM6 ROMS (The only ones I haven't tried was Ivan's and Darkforce's). But I always see myself going back to WM5 (mostly because I miss video calling). Is it just me? or is there something about WM6 that I'm not seeing? This question is much like Windows XP vs Windows Vista... I just couldn't see any reason to use Vista.
Anyone kind enough to site the major differences or advantages between the two? (except for aesthetics, of course)
I know I could just google for comparison charts or something.. but I prefer various "user opinions" So please don't point me here: WM5 vs WM6 chart... besides, it's not very accurate since most cooked WM5 ROMS does have a few added features.

DaVince said:
I've tried quite a few of the WM6 ROMS (The only ones I haven't tried was Ivan's and Darkforce's). But I always see myself going back to WM5 (mostly because I miss video calling). Is it just me? or is there something about WM6 that I'm not seeing? This question is much like Windows XP vs Windows Vista... I just couldn't see any reason to use Vista.
Anyone kind enough to site the major differences or advantages between the two? (except for aesthetics, of course)
I know I could just google for comparison charts or something.. but I prefer various "user opinions" So please don't point me here: WM5 vs WM6 chart... besides, it's not very accurate since most cooked WM5 ROMS does have a few added features.
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I agree with you to some extent.
In my opinion wm5 is much stable and made for the universal device that we all have.
Wm6 is not compatible and a beta app. Video call is part of the hardware and with wm6 , in-directly we have terminated that, in other words the world moves towards 3G/umts and we have made our devices fall back to 2G with wm6 crossbow which doesnot have video call.
Also its like driving hard to make wm6 perfect , which will never happen.
Its just like using a car and trying to put in a engine that is not compatible.
So I think uni devices is directly proportional to wm5. Period!

The reason I use WM6 over WM5 is this:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
Like I've said before - this is a forum for developers\hackers\tweakers, if you want a perfect ROM - look to your manufacturer. If you want to have some fun with your Universal (and void its warranty) then look no further!

TehPenguin said:
The reason I use WM6 over WM5 is this:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
Like I've said before - this is a forum for developers\hackers\tweakers, if you want a perfect ROM - look to your manufacturer. If you want to have some fun with your Universal (and void its warranty) then look no further!
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What he said

ditto ditto

DaVince said:
I've tried quite a few of the WM6 ROMS (The only ones I haven't tried was Ivan's and Darkforce's). But I always see myself going back to WM5 (mostly because I miss video calling). Is it just me? or is there something about WM6 that I'm not seeing? This question is much like Windows XP vs Windows Vista... I just couldn't see any reason to use Vista.
Anyone kind enough to site the major differences or advantages between the two? (except for aesthetics, of course)
I know I could just google for comparison charts or something.. but I prefer various "user opinions" So please don't point me here: WM5 vs WM6 chart... besides, it's not very accurate since most cooked WM5 ROMS does have a few added features.
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There are a couple of apps that I find very useful, the new RDP client is much better & I use that a lot, Internet Sharing is a great tool for connecting to the Internet from my laptop on the move. The upgrade to the Office apps to support Office 2007 documents will help people who move to Off2007, but even though I use it I still save my files in Off2003 format so that the rest of the world can read them.
Apart from that I am sticking with WM5 for now because I need something that works more reliably.

I have reverted back to WM5 just after using the WM6 on universal for ~1h everytime. Reason: Its slow as compared to WM5(yeah, ironic ) and few unfixed bugs
But, what I love about WM6..
1)progress bar in Office apps. I love it when it shows the progress while opeing my big word document containing plethora of pics.
2)no 'unidentified driver' problem: many of us were getting this problem under wm5. I didn't experience it under wm6 under that 1h span though (my solution to that problem in WM5: as long as you use wisbar advance2, you will NEVER experience that problem)
3)glossy looks (though I still prefer wisbar advance)(see the screenshot attatched)
4)better phone integration
On the other hand, I m using WM6 on my wizard and its perfect
[img=http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/370/kamalxa8.th.png]

Well, I don't want to switch back to WM5. Mainly for those reasons:
1/ I don't use video Calling because NO ONE from my about 700 contacts has video calling capabilites (that's Germany ;-)
2/ The new RDP-Client is REALLY great and I use it often to connect to my Server
3/ The Messaging features like "instant search" is for me one of the most important, as I use the universal to write about 20 eMails per Day and take notes when i'm at my customers.
4/ (I know you don't want to read it ;-) The nicer looking
5/ My Universal is much faster with WM6 (not with all releases though) as with the original WM5 ROMs.
6/ The Original T-Mobile WM5 ROM is UGLY AS HELL ;-)
7/ I forgot: The Call-List in the corresponding Contact is another great Feature
If I can think of anything more, I'll tell you

I find WM6 faster and - unlike some posters - much MUCH more stable.

TehPenguin said:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
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I too have been used such reasoning. Unfortunately after a while I came to the realisation that it was a false hope and went back to WM5.
That said, one reason to use WM6 is that the contacts app can query the DirectPush active directory to get Exchange contact details.

nispen said:
I find WM6 faster and - unlike some posters - much MUCH more stable.
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same here. german wm5 is unusable, slow as hell and buggy.

Hi,
I'm using WM6 (LVSW's ROM 2007-05-19) at the moment, mainly because I bought an Imate JasJam (Australian Telstra network) but use it on our "3" network and I didn't want to install the 3 Dopod ROM.
I did remove the Telstra customisations, but then lost Video call.
With LVSW's ROM, I now have video call back - Why do you say you don't have video calls in WM6????
I like to play with devices too!
Benifits so far (48 hours use) no freezes, a little faster, nicer looking & navigation plus there's a few new options but I'm not sure if they are useful to me.
Bad points - less memory storage & everyone at work is asking me about WM6!
Cheers! Oggy.
p.s. look further at video calls - it works for me!

Ogier said:
Hi,
I did remove the Telstra customisations, but then lost Video call.
With LVSW's ROM, I now have video call back - Why do you say you don't have video calls in WM6????
Cheers! Oggy.
p.s. look further at video calls - it works for me!
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REALLY??? Can you please give us more details as how you manage that? Links are good too.

WM5? Which AKU you are you talking about?
Here, the official WM5 release is AKU2, which is so slow that you can zZzZz.
For Cooked ROM, WM5 is up to AKU3.5 which is the one I am using, is with Video Call and fast.
WM6 still does not have video call, but there is a beta VideoCall cab which you can try, some works, some doesn't.
WM6 speed compare to WM5 AKU3.5, speed difference is marginal, but both are definitely faster than WM5 AKU1 & WM AKU2. But for WM6 to be slower than WM5, hmmm, how could this possible.

german t-mobile wm5 rom is quite unstable and unreliable. Some programs doesn't work at all on t-mobile wm5 roms (like cLaunch - ok, I know stupid example because cLaunch doesn't support vga resolutions at all... but it was the first application that came to my mind )
I'm satisfied with the functionality of wm6 roms. there is just one thing I don't like about it - how can I change the keyboard layout of an english rom? I would like to have an english rom but with the layout of a german keyboard - any ideas how to do that?

Ogier said:
Hi,
I'm using WM6 (LVSW's ROM 2007-05-19) at the moment, mainly because I bought an Imate JasJam (Australian Telstra network) but use it on our "3" network and I didn't want to install the 3 Dopod ROM.
I did remove the Telstra customisations, but then lost Video call.
With LVSW's ROM, I now have video call back - Why do you say you don't have video calls in WM6????
I like to play with devices too!
Benifits so far (48 hours use) no freezes, a little faster, nicer looking & navigation plus there's a few new options but I'm not sure if they are useful to me.
Bad points - less memory storage & everyone at work is asking me about WM6!
Cheers! Oggy.
p.s. look further at video calls - it works for me!
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One problem with that - we have the I-Mate JasJar not the JasJam
Not meaning to flame, but as clarification:
I-Mate JasJam - - - - - I-Mate JasJar
Dopod 838Pro - - - - - Dopod 900
O2 Xda Trion - - - - - - O2 Exec
HTC Hermes - - - - - - HTC Universal
So, your WM6 ROM is different to ours
(How do I know the above? Well, I work for 3 in Australia.... )

hello,
I'm using Wm6 beta rom for testing exchange 2007 improvement with this os and there a lot of new features !!
like html mail format, Simplified Administration, Increased Monitoring and Flexible Policy Management ...

aniel1 said:
Video call is part of the hardware and with wm6 , in-directly we have terminated that, in other words the world moves towards 3G/umts and we have made our devices fall back to 2G with wm6 crossbow which doesnot have video call.
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If only there's video call on WM6.. i would stick to it... video calling is quite popular here.. my girlfriend has a 3G fone... so video calling is very important for me.
TehPenguin said:
The reason I use WM6 over WM5 is this:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
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Hehe! Me too..
cottinghamm said:
Internet Sharing is a great tool for connecting to the Internet from my laptop on the move.
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This is also available for the WM5 (AKU3.3 and later) right?
NiTeSHiFT said:
2/ The new RDP-Client is REALLY great and I use it often to connect to my Server
3/ The Messaging features like "instant search" is for me one of the most important, as I use the universal to write about 20 eMails per Day and take notes when i'm at my customers.
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2. Terminal Services can also do this right? though i don't really use it so I wouldn't know if it's better.
3. Oh yeah.. love that too.. way easier than scrolling through messages...
nispen said:
I find WM6 faster and - unlike some posters - much MUCH more stable.
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Maybe you were using an old WM5. You must try WM5 AKU3.5 or WM5 AKU3.5.
Ogier said:
I'm using WM6 (LVSW's ROM 2007-05-19) at the moment, mainly because I bought an Imate JasJam (Australian Telstra network)
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We have Universals my friend, we are on the Universal thread. You have a Hermes...
CWKJ said:
WM5? Which AKU you are you talking about?
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AKU3.3 and 3.5. The older ones are way too slow and crappy.
fla242 said:
like html mail format, Simplified Administration, Increased Monitoring and Flexible Policy Management ...
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Ah yes.. html mail format... very nice too. uhmm.. would you care to elaborate about Simplified Administration, Increased Monitoring and Flexible Policy Management? Thanks...

DaVince said:
If only there's video call on WM6.. i would stick to it... video calling is quite popular here.. my girlfriend has a 3G fone... so video calling is very important for me.
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How popular is the Universal in Manila? Just curious...

cktlcmd said:
How popular is the Universal in Manila? Just curious...
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Not very popular. Probably not more than 25 people owns a Universal in Manila.. and only 3-4 of them (including me) actually bothers to flash their ROMS since they're too scared..
85% of cellphone users here use Nokia since Nokia devices (particularly the N series) have good 3G support. Most PPC devices seen here would be the Atom, XDA II/i, and Dopod 838 Pro.
3G is very good here.. and the reason I bought a Universal is because during the time I bought this (early 2006), this was the first PPC available that supports video calling... So please somebody make video calling work on WM6.. :beg:

WM 6.1 vs WM 6.5 ...What are the advantages and disadvantages of both these OS?

As the title says...
Which one do you prefer? Why?
Cheers...

6.1 because is more stable, uses less resources, does not include the SUPER HORRIBLE honeycomb.
Maybe later when 6.5 is more mature....
Or better wait to WM7
Just my 2 cents

I like WM 6.5 because it's the latest & greatest so far from MS. I'll move up to WM 7 when available. I do not like flashing backwards (downgrading)!

I've tried couple of 6.5 ROMs on my BA and Kaiser. I'm not too impressed. One 6.5 ROM was quite quick. However, after using it for a week, I still prefer WM6.1 with the HTC Home today screen.
The windows 6.5 widgets look great. I feel that windows is trying to copy the finger scrolling found on the I-Phone. The fact is, the I-Phone is not nearly as fast to find contact with etc. I can find things a lot faster using HTC Home with WM6.1. I don't even like WM6.1 with Touch Flo or whatever it's called.
I'd like to hear other user comments.

orb3000 said:
6.1 because is more stable, uses less resources, does not include the SUPER HORRIBLE honeycomb.
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Did you mean the new Programs interface?
I saw some videos, and I don't like it so much... Any chance to replace it with anything else?

Been using WM 6.5 (miri's WM6.5 rom) for my Touch HD for a couple of months now. The latest builds are really fast and stable and I will never go back to WM6.1.

What about program compatibily?
In WM 6.1 (latest versions) there are some problem running TCPMP or other (old) apps....
Is it the same on WM 6.5?
And... Is it possible to have something similar to "M2D Messages Tab" to see our SMSes directly on our Today?

I used versions 11 and 13 of 6.5 but didn't work on my opal, freqvent crashes and slow. Then I installed version 14 of 6.1, so far it is working well.

flaviopac said:
Is it possible to have something similar to "M2D Messages Tab" to see our SMSes directly on our Today?
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Anyone?

WM 6.5 is DEFINETELY better, there are lots of improvements and still some to come. I recently wrote a few emails with Loke Uei and I also participated in a discussion with the WinMo team on Facebook.
The new startmenu is maybe not everyones taste, but the new todayscreen is well done (espeically when doing some modding with the help of Xda-Devs ^^), MyPhone, Marketplace will be great and the overall fingerfriendlyness and speed has improved.
@orb3000: What you´re talking about ?!?!? The current version of 6.5 isn´t even an official one yet...so you can´t really compare. And on my TouchPro it is quite fast, responsive and bug-free. You better get a new device...

flaviopac said:
Did you mean the new Programs interface?
I saw some videos, and I don't like it so much... Any chance to replace it with anything else?
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Yes.
I think it can be replaced
m.schmidler said:
WM 6.5 is DEFINETELY better, there are lots of improvements and still some to come. I recently wrote a few emails with Loke Uei and I also participated in a discussion with the WinMo team on Facebook.
The new startmenu is maybe not everyones taste, but the new todayscreen is well done (espeically when doing some modding with the help of Xda-Devs ^^), MyPhone, Marketplace will be great and the overall fingerfriendlyness and speed has improved.
@orb3000: What you´re talking about ?!?!? The current version of 6.5 isn´t even an official one yet...so you can´t really compare. And on my TouchPro it is quite fast, responsive and bug-free. You better get a new device...
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What¿
As said is just my opinion, I know it´s not official yet, but anyway honeycomb for me is horrible, so I won´t use it till final is out and a nice customization appears, I comprare it because is the question on this thread.
Get a new device? I´m on it believe me, but til now not convinced 100% about where to go... I think I´ll wait for 2010 HTC models with snapdragon and for that time hopefuly some better 6.5 will be out there, or even wm7
My Universal is much better than your Touch Pro!

m.schmidler said:
The new startmenu is maybe not everyones taste, but the new todayscreen is well done (espeically when doing some modding with the help of Xda-Devs ^^), MyPhone, Marketplace will be great and the overall fingerfriendlyness and speed has improved.
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I found a way to replace Start Menu with iLaunch or MortButton...
A lot better!
Anyway.. Does anyone here know if I can use a tab similar to M2D MEssages Tab?
Cheers...

6.5 is fine by now... xda-devs have stabled it in many ROMS and with the addition of many many mods it looks amazing and has great functionality. The thing is, that you need to differentiate WM6.5 from the Titanium interface.. Titanium is wonderful. WM6.5 is somewhere only a small small upgrade of by microsoft to 6.1. some menu changes.. some bar changes... things are mostly graphical and still do not match to the new behavior of rhodium manila and its additions (such as the start menu and pop up menus)

nir36 said:
The thing is, that you need to differentiate WM6.5 from the Titanium interface..
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yes, for sure...
The only thing I don't like on WM 6.5 is the Start Menu...
But I found out a way to change it with iLaunch...
Do you know any other program similar to iLaunch (free and maybe better!)?

Wm6.1 is better
WM6.5 is not a significant update. i feel only the looks and graphics has been updated no new revolutionary feature.
WM6.1 with touchflo2d/3d is fine...

flaviopac said:
yes, for sure...
The only thing I don't like on WM 6.5 is the Start Menu...
But I found out a way to change it with iLaunch...
Do you know any other program similar to iLaunch (free and maybe better!)?
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Maybe this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471861 can help you?

flaviopac said:
Anyone?
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Yes! sbp diary.

flaviopac said:
Is it possible to have something similar to "M2D Messages Tab" to see our SMSes directly on our Today?
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mirchichamu said:
Yes! sbp diary.
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I guess I can't have anything similar in Tytanium WM 6.5 home screen, right?

flaviopac said:
I guess I can't have anything similar in Tytanium WM 6.5 home screen, right?
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I don't think so. You have to go to e,g sbp pocket plus and the install sbp diary to see your sms on todays screen.

there are many many Titanium mods under development right now.. in the dev&hack section.. go check them out and see if it is either existant or possible to create such a thing.

TF3D ROM for Kaiser? (Collecting Bounty act. 35€)

Hey Guys,
I know that this has been discussed a hundred times .
But let me at first explain:
This goes out to all you chefs which are cooking the roms (I'm not capable to cook one by myself)
So what I would like to have is a Kaiser ROM with a working Touchflo3d.
I've read and searched for hours and hours and found the rom from L26, but I think this had been an really early state. Now the drivers have changed and improved.
So is there anyone out there who is able to cook a rom (no matter if 6.1 or 6.5) with working TF3D and drivers?
I found out that there is a working version in this tread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507
But it was not working with my rom (M-Opal 1.0) due to cooked M2D.
So it would give hmm a bounty of 35€ (€ not dollars) if anyone would prepare a working, fast rom with TF3D.
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
Best regards,
Matthias

Maeffjus said:
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
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Not me ...........................
That being said, here is the latest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=458116

Maeffjus said:
Hey Guys,
I know that this has been discussed a hundred times .
But let me at first explain:
This goes out to all you chefs which are cooking the roms (I'm not capable to cook one by myself)
So what I would like to have is a Kaiser ROM with a working Touchflo3d.
I've read and searched for hours and hours and found the rom from L26, but I think this had been an really early state. Now the drivers have changed and improved.
So is there anyone out there who is able to cook a rom (no matter if 6.1 or 6.5) with working TF3D and drivers?
I found out that there is a working version in this tread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507
But it was not working with my rom (M-Opal 1.0) due to cooked M2D.
So it would give hmm a bounty of 35€ (€ not dollars) if anyone would prepare a working, fast rom with TF3D.
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
Best regards,
Matthias
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there are already tf3d roms and if your looking for one that will work flawlessly on our kaisers, not gonna happen.

Leo (L26) made a decent rom L26_KaiserTouch_V4_M3D that actually encompasses TF3d. I have not tried the others but I do love his rom even though it is not as smooth.

I wonder how it will work with 6.5 drivers. I'm going to take a shot at cooking it into josh's rom for you. We'll see how this goes.

Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
Because I've seen a lot of videos on Youtube where it is running smooth and it also seems nearly bugless.
Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf_gjMFBHs
or these one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDduRgWFweM&feature=related
What I want to fullfil my bounty should be:
1. Running TF3D
2. OpenGl-Drivers integrated in ROM (I think it is necessary to use TF3D)
3. The Standby bugfix should be integrated, which is located under the link in my first post.
4. Look and Feel like on the Videos (not any kind of "Tiger" or strange "Tribal" as system theme)
Optional but highly welcome: German Language
Or is it possible to install some kind of language pack? (I'm using WM since hmm 6 or 7 years but I've never seen such a thing)
I've tried the L26 ROM and it was not satifying to me because the speed was really low compared to the TF3D's on the youtube videos and it seemed very buggy.
If I'm not completely wrong, the version of TF3D from my first post is in an advanced state compared with the on from L26.
Thanks in Advance!
Would be nice to find some people who will help to increase the bounty!

Maeffjus said:
Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
Because I've seen a lot of videos on Youtube where it is running smooth and it also seems nearly bugless.
Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf_gjMFBHs
or these one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDduRgWFweM&feature=related
What I want to fullfil my bounty should be:
1. Running TF3D
2. OpenGl-Drivers integrated in ROM (I think it is necessary to use TF3D)
3. The Standby bugfix should be integrated, which is located under the link in my first post.
4. Look and Feel like on the Videos (not any kind of "Tiger" or strange "Tribal" as system theme)
Optional but highly welcome: German Language
Or is it possible to install some kind of language pack? (I'm using WM since hmm 6 or 7 years but I've never seen such a thing)
I've tried the L26 ROM and it was not satifying to me because the speed was really low compared to the TF3D's on the youtube videos and it seemed very buggy.
If I'm not completely wrong, the version of TF3D from my first post is in an advanced state compared with the on from L26.
Thanks in Advance!
Would be nice to find some people who will help to increase the bounty!
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Yes it can run smoothely'ish the problem encountered is lack of driver to be able to sleep device in the correct manor.

But there is a patch to solve that kind of problem or am I wrong?
Q: Whenever I try and put the device into sleep mode, it powers off instead?
A: Try disabling the today time-out. Also, make sure you installed the standby CAB right.
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Taken from the Linked TF3D thread...

Maeffjus said:
But there is a patch to solve that kind of problem or am I wrong?
Taken from the Linked TF3D thread...
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No there are work arounds but no real fix

Im still TF3D fan, but after many bug and slow on my Kaiser, i have to move on.. if somebody create or develop ROM with it, i will give a try..

With that standby fix Touchflo3d is disabled automatically before sleep mode. Biggest problem for me was that when the device wakes up it needs to launch touchflo again and that process was kinda slow. Sometimes it just get stuck and needed softreset.
Still, I would be curious to see how smooth tf3d would be cooked in with newest builds and drivers...Also, if I remember right 3d drivers won't work if you have super ram hack in your rom.

Whatever ;-) ...
Also, if I remember right 3d drivers won't work if you have super ram hack in your rom.
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I don't mind if there is a super-ram-hack or what else, in my opinion it should WORK
Also I think that all of you shall take a look in your money-bag if there is a possibility to make it a little more lucrative to work on such a rom.
As I also stated out that I will pay my full bounty only if it is able to run on latetest state of development - that means not that the chef has to develop touchflo3d once again but without bugs ;-) it means only that it should be able to run as good as possible at the moment.
But as I read yesterday evening, I saw that there are maybe two possibilities to get rid of the standby bug, but - forgive me - if did not looked detailed at these solutions - so I don't know how these work but maybe one of them is working better?
And when I'm right - all the roms with TF3D cooked in are with an earlier driver-version. The younger versions of the driver have improved, if I understood the development news made in the dev. and hack. section.
The TF3D-cooked-in-rom-threads are nearly all dated arround december '08 - and I read a lot of them

Maeffjus said:
Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
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I am not saying that if you posted a working TF3d rom that no one would flash it, I would. But what is the effort /reward ?
What about it would make it better than my M2D rom ? Or anyone's 6.5 rom.
Enough great chefs put more than enough time into it, and could not get adequate drivers to make it smooth enough to keep as an everyday rom nor could they get by the stand by problem.
TF3D is M2D with some nice 3D touches that is all, am I missing something ? Is it head and shoulders above M2D or Neo Titanium, I don't think so. Which is why no one really cares to put in all the effort to make it work , nor is anyone really willing to spend any funds to make it work.
I am not being a contrarian or a nay sayer just for arguement sake, really With M$ coming out with cHome and Titanium, SPB out with MS 3, HTC coming out with Sense, there is a reason why people took porting TF3D as far as they could and then lost interest.

O.K. 0,5 Points for you
But I think that Sense is only for Andoid? Correct me if I'm doing wrong...
My problem is, that my Kaiser (and i think all others too) have not such a good touch screen accuracy... mine is terrible.
(yes, I cleaned out the frame and the edges...but on my bosses Kaiser the screen accuracy is also bad! - Compared to my - slow but accurate - P4350).
In my opinion the touchflo concept is one of the best solutions ever developed. But for me in person TF3D would be a nice looking (and little improved) upgrade. I'm already using M2D and I like it, but what I also like very much is for example the animated weather and the improved look and feel.
I have also tried 6.5 but with the terrible accuracy of my screen it is not so funny to use.. also it is not running such smooth as M2D and I in person think titanium is not everyones favourite choice. What i also do not like is the Honeycomb-Style... looks nice, but thats all.. O.k. the kinetic scrolling is good and thats one thing I like . But thats the only improvement I could see at WM6.5.
So whats your opinion: Is a rom with newest drivers and so on not for everydays use capable due to a lot of buggy functions? (I dont't know - I never used one ).

If I remember right, all the legendary cooks have tired TF3D and it doesnt work as it is supposed in Kaiser. Kaiser is just not made for TF3D. TF3D is more resource hungry, and our device just cant handle it.
I do believe there is a cab for TF3D available! Take a good lite 6.5 ROM with memory hack, and load it with TF3D, you will see if it will be able to handle it or not.

I had it working kinda decent with 6.5...just kept throwing drivers at it until i found a decent setup. But i was just wanting to see how it would be like you. When i get home i will look if i still have the file and send it to you. I cant even remember what all i had with it though lol. But like everyone has said its still slow with the newest drivers and such.

I cant find the file....but i will work on it this weekend.

Here is one that I had downloaded when the TF3D thread was alive. This does not have standby in it. So if you want to turn off your phone, then you need to find a stanby fix by somebody!

Hmm in my first post is another source for the TF3D, which has bigger files - there you'll find also the Audio Manager etc.

Has this thread died ?

Clean Plain WM6.5 anyone? Begging the cooks!

Hi guys,
long time reader, first time poster.
I decided to register because it really galls me.
For past couple of weeks I'm trying all the WM6.5 roms here, and despite the names like "plain" "naked" and such, none are really plain or naked, or they are unstable or miss something or have other problems like they are "not well cooked".
Is there any cook out here who can cook really plain/clean WM 6.5 rom, perhaps with Mobile Office, but without any other apps whatsoever?
I'm using excellent eOS.4.888.Fire rom for 2 years now, and it is aging. I want to upgrade to WM 6.5 but I can't find anything like it.
I just can't believe it is so hard to cook a plain rom with office and without anything else, why do all the cooks have to include extra apps that they like? Is it so hard to cook a rom without them? I don't understand.
I beg you, o Great Holy Cooks of XDA, anyone of yous: please cook a one plain and stable English WM 6.5 rom for our Kaisers! Please!
I will gladly donate to make your effort worthwile, and I'm sure many other xda users would do the same, as almost every rom thread here have the same question about "is it clean/plain and stable rom"... and I believe it shouldn't be that much of work for those who already know how to cook!

try ahmedfikry
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618767

clean and plain
wm 6.5 like stock rom with office mobile 2010

What is it you consider a clean ROM? No manila? What apps dont you want? For me most of the ROMs on here are clean..

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wm 6.5 like stock rom with office mobile 2010
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You can install the new office on a stock ROM. So why cook it?

clean
there is no 6.5 stock rom for kaiser.
no files other than those requierd to run.
no audio or pictures.

feckineck said:
there is no 6.5 stock rom for kaiser.
no files other than those requierd to run.
no audio or pictures.
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Exactly!
This is what I consider plain and clean:
example from eOS.4.888.Fire rom:
forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2729087&postcount=1
- Windows Mobile with its own apps (Active Sync, Calendar, ...)
- very few HTC apps that are specific to Kaiser's hardware features (QuickGPS, Bluetooth, wifi ...)
- MS Office and its neccessary apps
I don't want any audioboosters or other "cook's favorite apps" to take up space in the rom. Make the rom with UC and we can add anything else ourself, at hard reset

clean plain
just the os no htc or ms soft just winmo 6.5

Since Kaiser has a native 6.5 kernel, you get better performance cooking in everything that you want installed, but I'm sure you know well enough. Anyway, I can do this for you once or twice (only once or twice due to limited spare time on my part).
Tell me which build you want and a detailed list of every package you want and I will leave out everything else.

Clean Plain WM6.5 anyone? Begging the cooks
whats the least programs you can make it with no ms soft even office or pics or audio files .
we arent cooks or we would do it ourself thanks in advance.

I can take out every sound, pic, and document and AFAIK, it will still boot. Please keep in mind though, it does not give better performance with 6.5 NK to install things like Adobe reader, Java, Office, or .NET after flash. You will get better performance by cooking them in the rom. OTOH, I believe Manila, Phone Canvas (and anything else with many picture files) are better to be installed after flash instead of cooked in.
As to your question, I only have to leave in a few packages for the rom to boot, but many things will not work if not cooked in (DRM, I believe is one of them).

selyb said:
I can take out every sound, pic, and document and AFAIK, it will still boot. Please keep in mind though, it does not give better performance with 6.5 NK to install things like Adobe reader, Java, Office, or .NET after flash. You will get better performance by cooking them in the rom. OTOH, I believe Manila, Phone Canvas (and anything else with many picture files) are better to be installed after flash instead of cooked in.
As to your question, I only have to leave in a few packages for the rom to boot, but many things will not work if not cooked in (DRM, I believe is one of them).
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leave in anything that has to be cooked in