Hi all
I have upgraded my Treo 750 to WM6, but there is not much information about setting up voip on it. I don't know if it is possible, or how to do it.
Antone has more details about it? is it possible? not possible? why?
Thanks in advance
same question. i use voipbuster
Skype
Brazilian Joe said:
Hi all
I have upgraded my Treo 750 to WM6, but there is not much information about setting up voip on it. I don't know if it is possible, or how to do it.
Antone has more details about it? is it possible? not possible? why?
Thanks in advance
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Just use the latest mobile version of skype. Download and install to your mobile and "Bingo" you're on. No configuration needed.
OK, I know what VOIP is, and I understand why you would use it on your home computer. However, I don't understand why would you want to use it on your phone. Is it strictly for those who do a lot of international calling ?? I have the smallest amount of minutes available and have never used them all. (I'm sure others have different uses). But isn't it cheaper/ easier to just add minutes to an existing plan rather than paying for the data plan instead??
Just trying to educate myself a little bit more each day.............
generally VOiP refers to calls over a wifi network, but i would think that there would still be some services that would work just as well provided that you have signal for your cell, so I would assume they would work. Personally the skype setup I think is easiest if you can get folks on there then you can skip all the headaches, other wise it's really dependent on what voip program you are planning on using for your treo, I know when I had my hermes I had some custom software from Schap that allowed an easy setup for VOiP although it wasn't compatible with all ROMs, if anything I suppose you could pop over there and see if it would be compatible or not.
Just to clarfy, I live in Brazil where we have a little cartel of phone companies, so peole pay around US$ 0,75 and US$ 0,20 per minute of conversation. nice isn't it?
The low cost of VoIP offsets the data plan cost in the long run. besides, with voip I dont have to pay extra for long distance and international calls.
As for skype, it's not the cheapest oe out there, and it's not SIP-based. it's way more expensive than other VoIP providers out here.
Dont suppose anyone has found a good way of using WM6's built in SIP for VOIP on the Treo 750?
Call me a heretic, but I have bought a N95-3, so currently I own 2 WM-based devices and 1 S60-based one.
Let me tell you, S60 'jut works'. It has no touchscreen, but it also has gobs of apps (games including), either Symbian or Java based.
What I want to do is simple:
Get a 3G phone with an unlimited data plan, and use 3G to make cals using 3G (and WiFi). I will have internet 'anywhere', and cheap phone calls.
Treo doesn't have WiFi. oh, well... it still has 3G. Although last time I read, Windows Mobile's VoIP was 'maimed', so it wouldn't work on 3G, only WiFi...
It's M$ doing concessions to the cell phone operators at work...
I hope this changes soon. WM is powerful, but not nearly as user-friendly as S60 so far. Yeah, I hope WM7 arrives soon, cause it's supposed to come with new usability guidelines, new apps (in theory) will be much more useable with one hand, and finger touch. But that's a long time away in the future...
I was considering a TyTN 2 or Touch Cruise, but with this video driver bug, I considered using S60 again. And it is really painless to set up, browse the web, use 3G and set up voip. The VoIP call quality was pretty good too.
If anyone knows of a solution for WM's VoIP, or a good 3rd party SIP client (not skype), I'd like to hear about...
Brazilian Joe said:
Just to clarfy, I live in Brazil where we have a little cartel of phone companies, so peole pay around US$ 0,75 and US$ 0,20 per minute of conversation. nice isn't it?
The low cost of VoIP offsets the data plan cost in the long run. besides, with voip I dont have to pay extra for long distance and international calls.
As for skype, it's not the cheapest oe out there, and it's not SIP-based. it's way more expensive than other VoIP providers out here.
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NOW i know why the guy that beat Bill Gates this year and being the currently richest man on the planet OWNS ALL of south america's phone networks... NICEEEE
Anyone had any luck using VoIP on a Treo?
The only solution I found was to use Fring.
Hi!
I will soon travel to London for a while and I realized I have no idea whatsoever on what providers exist over there and which is the best.
I will mainly use it for 3G (or are there lots of free WiFi-spots?) and phoning home to Sweden. I will probably need to send SMS and call inside UK sometimes to, but mostly Sweden. It should be a prepaid alternative.
Any recommendations?
I used an Orange card when I was there for a few days last winter. I used it for calls and texts, but I think they had 4 different pre-paid plans, depending on your preferences. It was cheap, and I'd use them again.
Thank you
Best coverage is vodafone, cheapest pay-as-go is orange (£1/day data). Vodafone has 3g pay-as-go, but cannot get 3g on my orange pay-as-go. Many wi-fi hotspots around. Best look at vodafone/orange websites - they are the biggest & best in UK
I'm with O2 and can't really fault them, but Vodafone currently have a deal where you don't pay extra for roaming, so you could take it back to Sweeden and not get caught for extra cash (check terms and conditions though...) O2 do a 'bolt on' which you can buy unlimted web data for a fixed fee (was about £7.50 when I subscribed).
Lots of free wifi (McDonalds is one, but there are more) and plenty of idiots that don't have security on their wifi access points. I know it's stealing, but it can get you out of a fix and it's not like you'll use it for hours on end sitting in someone's front garden...
Check out the '3' network.
Every time you top-up (GBP10) you get 150MB of free data, and a lot of free sms messages.
If 150MB is not enough for you, for GBP5 you can get the Internet Monthly add-on which allows up to 2GB limit over 30 days.
Also, they have a free Skype facility using a modified version of ISkoot (search XDA-Developers for details of how to make it work on WM devices).
I use data far more than calls and sms and I find '3' to be the best deal.
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I'm with O2 and can't really fault them, but Vodafone currently have a deal where you don't pay extra for roaming, so you could take it back to Sweeden and not get caught for extra cash (check terms and conditions though...) O2 do a 'bolt on' which you can buy unlimted web data for a fixed fee (was about £7.50 when I subscribed).
Lots of free wifi (McDonalds is one, but there are more) and plenty of idiots that don't have security on their wifi access points. I know it's stealing, but it can get you out of a fix and it's not like you'll use it for hours on end sitting in someone's front garden...
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This is what I do. £7.50 for unlimited 3G is brilliant, and even though I get EDGE on my Elf, it's still really quite fast. Albeit I only get G or 2G coverage where I live (north of Bristol) but it's still quite nice to have the ability to forget about my emails, and then pick it up and they're sitting there for me.
O2.
HI,
I recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, the 7" version with 3G (P3100) in the UK, it is unlocked.
At first I intended to continue to use my Orange SIM that allowed 250mb of free use. It soon became apparent that this would not be enough.
So I signed a rolling one month contract with Three, allow all you can eat data for your smart phone. However, 56MB later (day 3) they switched the data off, the message is saying that I have moved my SIM from my mobile phone and put it in a tablet, this is not what it is designed to do.
My trouble is, if I go for the "Broadband" options then I'll not be able to use the voice facility that the phone offers. I have spent about 45 minutes speaking to Three but they cannot offer a solution. As far as they are concerned it is a tablet and the only option is Mobile Broadband with no voice capability.
Any Idea, custom ROM so they cannot detect the Tablet as a Tablet?
Oh, if I put the SIM back into a smartphone then the data connection works again.
Thanks
Kev
Hi
I had the exact same problem. I came from the Galaxy note 2(i needed a bigger screen) and so i put my contact sim card in and had the same problem. I was not happy, so i called them and went straight to the technical team and explained that i needed to use my sim in this device.
My argument was that it had the exact same capabilities as the note and that the note was classed originally as a small tablet.
Whilst i understood that the WiFi version of the tab 2 WAS just a tablet, the 3 G version had gsm radios just like a phone. I escalated the complaint to the senior technical team and put pointed out that the 2 devices were no different and as a paying customer with a Samsung device that was SPECIFICALLY made to be used as a phone, that 3 as a network should lift the restriction on my 3G allowance. Moreover, they then relented AND admitted that they were looking to relax their guidekines on this matter.
I pointed out that every version of Samsung's tablets has a 3G version with full phone capabilities, and that so many people were using these as their sole devices.
I advise you go back to them, go straight to the technical team, argue there case, and ask for it to be escalated if need be. Please feel free to quote my own situation in this matter stating that I'm a customer and they allowed me to use my sim fully in my tab 2
Keep us posted
WoW, this gives me a little hope.
I spent another hour on the phone yesterday, I spoke to a member of the technical team and he seemed very knowledgeable. Even telling me the cheapest option to get full broadband (but no voice). Even went on to say that other providers in the UK did do voice and data that would work in the tab 2.
However, I did pick up one blatant lie, he said that the mobile phone sim would not allow streaming, HTTPS, or +18 websites, ensuring me that these sites just would not load. Well, my tab was loading these, I streamed live TV from a field in the middle of no where lol.
I'm tempted now to write a letter because I'm getting no where on the phone, I'd like to point out some inconsistencies on their website. I.e. their choose the right sim wizard. Unless you have an iPad it guides you to the sim I purchased. Also the pictures, the tablet and smartphone are the same, for broadband it is a picture of a laptop. The reason for going to this length is that they are telling me they can't even swap my contract, I must give 30days notice!
I'll ring them again on Friday, for now I'm back to orange lol.
Thanks for your input,I'll definitely keep you updated as I expect this issue to get worse as more phone / tablets or phablets become available.
Kev
Well done, hope it works out for you
I'm only with 3 on the remainder of my contact ( 9 months) then going to switch to 30 day rolling contract. They give the most data out of all of the networks, even if their customer service is rubbish.
It might be worth persisting with your case, my question to them was how can my tablet be a tablet when it can receive calls, and the very fact i was talking to them on it made them agree with me.
Don't let them lie to you or try and pass any false information onto you. Ask to speak to the senior tech team, as when i spoke to the tech team, they were basically useless and couldn't really answer. I asked for a more senior team and they escalated the case promising I'd here back in 72 hrs which i did.
Stick with it mate, orange data allowance is crummy, and 3 will give in in you persist
Keep me posted
Since tomorrow is the day I'll ring Three again, can you give me a clue as to what they did to get yours working? Was there any setting changes? The last guy I talked to gave me some new settings, they did not work but it was food for thought. I.e. the APN setting etc.
Kev
OK, so the latest call is another 20 minutes long where i keep repeating what the issue is with a nice sounding girl telling me she understands. Although the lack of verbal communication related to the issue from her part clearly told me otherwise. This was clarified when towards the end of the conversation she said, "so you need me to blocked the IMEI from our system?".
My shear frustration at this point lead to her raising a call for her manager to call me back - let's hope they understand lol.
Kev
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OK, so the latest call is another 20 minutes long where i keep repeating what the issue is with a nice sounding girl telling me she understands. Although the lack of verbal communication related to the issue from her part clearly told me otherwise. This was clarified when towards the end of the conversation she said, "so you need me to blocked the IMEI from our system?".
My shear frustration at this point lead to her raising a call for her manager to call me back - let's hope they understand lol.
Kev
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The offers with 3 are great.... the staff..... ( am allowed to swear in these forums?? lol), let's just say that if they were turkeys, their days would be numbered!!
Stick with out, use the term"I wish to escalate the case to the senior technical team".. they WILL get it!
Keep me posted
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The offers with 3 are great.... the staff..... ( am allowed to swear in these forums?? lol), let's just say that if they were turkeys, their days would be numbered!!
Stick with out, use the term"I wish to escalate the case to the senior technical team".. they WILL get it!
Keep me posted
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Well, I don't give up easily but this has beat me. There seems no way of getting round this with Three. The mobile team want to put you through to broadband team saying its clearly a tablet, the broadband team just put you back through to the mobile team as they don't support voice devices. Even the senior team leaders wont have it, they just keep saying you've clearly been told you can't use this device on our mobile network.
I'm not sure how you (pglandscapes) got this resolved but I'd keep quiet and not change anything about your plan. For anyone else thinking this is an option clearly is it not, trust me I have now tried everything and then some, in fact they are now getting angry at me for keep ringing them LOL.
To recap, I was trying to use a Three Mobile Phone SIM in a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" 3G version so I could continue to use the full voice capabilities of the device, very quickly Three blocked the data use to this device although placing the SIM back in a smartphone made it work again.
I'm back with orange, canary 10 (SIM only) , 1 month plan which seems to work fine.
I hate to say it but I may try the Three Broadband 10GB monthly version, I'm told I'll loose voice features of the phone but I'm just curious now. Wont I look a fool though if that works perfectly LOL.
Kev
Maybe Virgin
Well, the latest update is Virgin say that support the Samsung P3100 better known as the Galaxy Tab 2 7" with 3G (via online chat and validated by the settings you can download from their website).
I ordered the SIM and its 90 pence cheaper per month on all you can eat.
Does anyone know if Virgin is really just Three? Just worried that they will be the same :crying:
Kev
Truly baffled!
To be honest, one of my conversations lasted over 1.5 hours!!
I simply stated originally that my data allowance had been blocked and i wished to speak to someone in a senior position.
My hook was i was paying for the top tariff and that 3 weren't fulfilling their part of the contact as a supplier by limiting my data allowance in a device that had complete gsm capabilities. I specifically asked them to define the difference between the galaxy note 2 and the galaxy tab 2.
Their reply was that one was a tablet and one was a phone.
I questioned how this could be defined to which they answered on one device i could make calls and send text messages and in the other i couldn't.
When i pointed out that both devices had EXACTLY the same functionality they were stumped!
I then asked them to differentiate between the iPhone at 3.5 inches, and the galaxy note at 5.5 inches, a whole 2 inches bigger!
They're reply was that they were both classed as phones and that one simply had a larger screen. I pointed out that the Dell streak was released as a tablet and that was 5 inches, and yet had full phone capabilities.... they then went quiet!
I then pointed out that a pure tablet such as the nexus 7 or the iPad, even the 3g versions don't have gsm radios, thus making them tablets. However, the ones with gsm radios can be classed as large phones, and that the factor of the larger screen cannot be used as a defining factor if said device has full gsm functionality!
They conceded the point and even said they were" looking to change their legislation on this matter as the lines were becoming finer all the time regarding such devices!"
THAT is how i got it. In truly sorry it hasn't worked for you
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...let's just say that if they were turkeys, their days would be numbered!!...
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To be fair, this applies to us all doesn't it? If I were a turkey I know I wouldn't be making many plans for the future...
Have you looked at GiffGaff? They have a £12 Goodybag (effectively a monthly rolling contract - you choose whether to buy another goodybag each month). This provides unlimited data plus unlimited texts and SMS.
Does it work in a tablet? Check out this thread in their forums. This seems to confirm that:
if a device can make and receive calls and texts out of the box without modification then it is classed as a phone and can be used with goodybags
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Best you check with them to confirm, but it looks like you might be okay with the P3100.
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To be fair, this applies to us all doesn't it? If I were a turkey I know I wouldn't be making many plans for the future...
Have you looked at GiffGaff? They have a £12 Goodybag (effectively a monthly rolling contract - you choose whether to buy another goodybag each month). This provides unlimited data plus unlimited texts and SMS.
Does it work in a tablet? Check out this thread in their forums. This seems to confirm that:
Best you check with them to confirm, but it looks like you might be okay with the P3100.
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Cheers buddy, I had spotted this as an option, and if it does not workout with Virgin I will OK at this next.
I actually took online help with virgin and copied the convo of them saying they fully supported the p3100 so if this does not work out it should be easier to get out of the contract. Lol
I've cancelled the Three contract today, they seemed amazed that my Orange SIM worked OK in it. I get the impression they don't really believe what I,m saying. Probably think I'm trying to scam them and really want to use there all you can eat in an iPad.
Oh well.
Kev
Taking a closer look at giffgaff it would appear this could be a very good solution if it does not workout for me with Virgin. I actually like how open their service seems to be, taking a look at this link shows that the usage can be fair and reasonable. Frankly, if someone is using more than 3gb a day then they deserve to be kicked off because they ruin the service for others.
http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Learn-giffgaff-Top-Tips/Unlimited-Mobile-Internet-with-a-goodybag/ta-p/5577838
There are a few people that have had issues on giffgaff with similar phones, one person was reporting being blocked and stated they had yet to use 1 gig in the 3 weeks they had been connected, so that's a bit worrying. It looks like the end result was they terminated their account. But who knows, maybe they were abusing the system as there are not many reports like that and many others from people with similar devices reporting no issues.
Looking at my stats so far, i'd be amazed if I used more than a gig a month once I'd got the new device excitement out the way lol.
I'll keep this thread updated with how I get on.
Update: Sent email to giffgaff to see if they will indeed support this device as a large smartphone.
Kev
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Taking a closer look at giffgaff it would appear this could be a very good solution if it does not workout for me with Virgin. I actually like how open their service seems to be, taking a look at this link shows that the usage can be fair and reasonable. Frankly, if someone is using more than 3gb a day then they deserve to be kicked off because they ruin the service for others.
http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Learn-giffgaff-Top-Tips/Unlimited-Mobile-Internet-with-a-goodybag/ta-p/5577838
There are a few people that have had issues on giffgaff with similar phones, one person was reporting being blocked and stated they had yet to use 1 gig in the 3 weeks they had been connected, so that's a bit worrying. It looks like the end result was they terminated their account. But who knows, maybe they were abusing the system as there are not many reports like that and many others from people with similar devices reporting no issues.
Looking at my stats so far, i'd be amazed if I used more than a gig a month once I'd got the new device excitement out the way lol.
I'll keep this thread updated with how I get on.
I wish you the best of luck and hope this works out for you dude!
Update: Sent email to giffgaff to see if they will indeed support this device as a large smartphone.
Kev
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I wish you the best of luck and hope this works out for you dude!
OK - Here's the latest.
On the 24th Dec I applied for a Virgin SIM (T-Mobile / EE backbone)
On the 25th Dec I applied for a GiffGaff SIM (O2 backbone).
I also sent an email to GiffGaff asking them to confirm they would support the device on their £12 goodybag (250 mins, unltd txt, unltd mobile data).
Both companies said they would send an email when the SIM had been dispatched - I love a good response test
27th, GiffGaff confirm by email that they have no issues with the device as long as I dont exceed there fair usage policy (1GB per hour / 3GB per day) along with some other fair usage which they did not actually stipulate but I expect this is P2P (torrents) etc.
27th, GiffGaff dispatch the SIM
29th, Giff Gaff SIM arrives and I credit it with the £12 goodybag, 5 minutes later the account is activated and I'm rock and rolling
30th Dec, time for some GiffGaff tests (for easy I'll add as a picture)
Conclusion, assuming GiffGaff don't cut me off for steaming and there is no reason to suggest they will based on my tests then I'm happy. The tests show I could watch TV for about 6 hours per day (even at maximum wifi type speeds which I doubt I would ever get over GiffGaff), at the maximum GiffGaff rate recorded of 180MB per Hour I could get 16 hours of Live TV before I need worry. I think if someone needs more than this they need a better life not a better service provider
Oh - Not heard anything from Virgin at all LOL.
Kev
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OK - Here's the latest.
On the 24th Dec I applied for a Virgin SIM (T-Mobile / EE backbone)
On the 25th Dec I applied for a GiffGaff SIM (O2 backbone).
I also sent an email to GiffGaff asking them to confirm they would support the device on their £12 goodybag (250 mins, unltd txt, unltd mobile data).
Both companies said they would send an email when the SIM had been dispatched - I love a good response test
27th, GiffGaff confirm by email that they have no issues with the device as long as I dont exceed there fair usage policy (1GB per hour / 3GB per day) along with some other fair usage which they did not actually stipulate but I expect this is P2P (torrents) etc.
27th, GiffGaff dispatch the SIM
29th, Giff Gaff SIM arrives and I credit it with the £12 goodybag, 5 minutes later the account is activated and I'm rock and rolling
30th Dec, time for some GiffGaff tests (for easy I'll add as a picture)
Conclusion, assuming GiffGaff don't cut me off for steaming and there is no reason to suggest they will based on my tests then I'm happy. The tests show I could watch TV for about 6 hours per day (even at maximum wifi type speeds which I doubt I would ever get over GiffGaff), at the maximum GiffGaff rate recorded of 180MB per Hour I could get 16 hours of Live TV before I need worry. I think if someone needs more than this they need a better life not a better service provider
Oh - Not heard anything from Virgin at all LOL.
Kev
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Well done mate, really pleased it's worked or for you!
I just thought I'd add one final update to this thread before marking it as solved.
I put a very comprehensive letter together and sent registered post to Three. I pointed out some inconsistencies on their website and at point of sale.
They called me and said they had reviewed my device and see that it is a little confusing from a customers point of view and that they don't actually have a package that is dedicated to the phone & tablet "phablet" market. They will look to address these issues very soon, and if you read this they may already have done so.
As a result they have waved all charges and although I will receive a final invoice they will waver this too. They did say that I could continue to use the phone service until it was ceased and I would not be charged.
The Virgin SIM eventually arrived yesterday, but as I am now non GiffGaff I shall not be activation that.
GiffGaff, I guess much of this is personal choice and depends on the service levels in the areas you visit. I will say this though, I'm very happy. GiffGaff using the O2 network has a great signal, as they have both 2G and 3G it works well indoors too (for those places where there is no free WiFi).
I sit here with a full signal capable of stream TV from my arm chair. Not that I would, obviously I'd use WiFi, but capable none the less.
Got there in the end.
Kev
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I just thought I'd add one final update to this thread before marking it as solved.
I put a very comprehensive letter together and sent registered post to Three. I pointed out some inconsistencies on their website and at point of sale.
They called me and said they had reviewed my device and see that it is a little confusing from a customers point of view and that they don't actually have a package that is dedicated to the phone & tablet "phablet" market. They will look to address these issues very soon, and if you read this they may already have done so.
As a result they have waved all charges and although I will receive a final invoice they will waver this too. They did say that I could continue to use the phone service until it was ceased and I would not be charged.
The Virgin SIM eventually arrived yesterday, but as I am now non GiffGaff I shall not be activation that.
GiffGaff, I guess much of this is personal choice and depends on the service levels in the areas you visit. I will say this though, I'm very happy. GiffGaff using the O2 network has a great signal, as they have both 2G and 3G it works well indoors too (for those places where there is no free WiFi).
I sit here with a full signal capable of stream TV from my arm chair. Not that I would, obviously I'd use WiFi, but capable none the less.
Got there in the end.
Kev
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A very big Pat on the back for sticking with it mate. Well done indeed for persevering with this.
Good luck with gifgaf and happy new year!.
As a side note, I've just installed cm10 on my p3100.... loving it!
Highly recommended
My first daft question of the year lol
I think CM10 is a 3rd party ROM, but why would people choose it over Android? What are the deciding factors for you?
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My first daft question of the year lol
I think CM10 is a 3rd party ROM, but why would people choose it over Android? What are the deciding factors for you?
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For me I wanted the closest vanilla aosp experience I could get, and this for me is it.
I love the nexus 7, but I need both camera and phone, so this is the only tablet I know that has them.
Running Samsung's version of jelly beam 4.1.1 was great but, it was filled with so much bloat ware that with just a few processes running, it still lagged a little.
I looked at cm10.1 and thought" wow, stock jelly bean", so I took the plunge.
Interestingly enough running the touchwiz, my tab would regularly have around 45 processes running in the background. With this it has around 24!!
So much slicker and smoother.
I also wanted all the cool jelly beam stuff like the camera with the editing, daydream, the notifications shades, basically everything that made it as stock as possible.
I didn't want to run 3rd party launchers and tons of different apps, I wanted my OS to be this good!
Anyway, those were my deciding factors, other people may have different ones.
Hope this helps