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Treo 750v or TyTn?

As an ex Palm 650 owner (still my favourite in many ways) i'm really interested in the 750v. i've currently got a TyTn (MDA Vario II) but, as usual with these devices, i'm not totally convinced by it, especially the phone functions (too easy to miss a call!).
So, does anyone have direct experience of the TyTn and the 750v? Which do you prefer and why?
Also, if you are making the switch, would it be better to wait for the Palm release (a couple of months i've been told) rather than going Vodaphone and having to unlock it and having all the Vodaphone add-ons?
thanks
mike

I have the same question. I have a TyTn now, it's great, but the form factor of the Treo seems better (I loved my 650 other than the OS)

I was first thinking of getting the Tytn but I don't like the looks. I'm actually still contemplating of either the Treo 750V or the HTC Artemis.

I have owned the Wizard and now the 750v I think that the Palm tweaks are what sets this phone aside from any other. Yes it doesn't have Wifi, but to me it's the best WM PPC "PHONE" out there. If you need WiFi then i will stick with your Tytn, even though you can add a mini sd WiFi card to it. I also own a SE P990, and right now the Treo is my primary phone, it's just amazing, and it's fast. Really happy with the shipped ROM for Voda, even though they have lost points for not including Pocket MSN ie. no messenger, or hotmail accounts built in. Which sucks cause I actually use it, but you can get it with the Cingular ROM on here. One thing found out is that I do not like phones that move. I love the fact that it has a static kb, and WM 5.2. the screen is great to me very bright. Just really happy with this device.

i too owned a Tytn, but sold it because my employer required me to use a corp phone to get reimbursed for cell expenses. after suffering severe PPC withdrawal symptons and pleading for an exception with my employer, i picked up the 750v. kudos to Palm for making this a solid one-handed device. oh, and not to mention the great call/sound quality. i'm using the HTTPMail program to get my MSN/Hotmail. it adds "HTTP" as a mail service similar to "POP3" and "IMAP". this implementation allows one to create a MSN/Hotmail account using the PPC outlook clien..i know it's an extra expense, but it's well worth it to me.

I decided not to get Treo because of its screen resolution. At a time when small VGA Pocket PC are on the horizon aka Gigabyte g-Smart i200, why would I want to be stuck with nasty 240 * 240?

I come from a Dopod 838, which is the Cingular 8125 in the states. Personally, the resolution problem is not as bad as it seems. Most things fit well, and its an acceptable compromise for someone the device 50% for calls/sms/email and 50% for data. If you're an 80% data user, the Tytn may make sense.
For me, having to flip the slider EVERYTIME really made the 838 quite inconvenient. I have played with the Tytn, and a personal friend who owns it, says its alright... but crashes once or twice each day. (granted he loaded LOTS of 3rd party stuff). I think its more practical as a data pda... the phone features are an afterthought.
Yea, not having PocketMSN is a bummer, but you can try the Windows Live messenger beta. (Just turn off the Today screen plugins,.. and the Live email doesn't work yet because the servers/services are not activiated on MS's end)
Live messenger works great, looks great. Though its quite a power hog, so hard for extended day long use. For that Verichat works better... but there's an annual charge.

raven2000 said:
I decided not to get Treo because of its screen resolution. At a time when small VGA Pocket PC are on the horizon aka Gigabyte g-Smart i200, why would I want to be stuck with nasty 240 * 240?
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form over function? i agree it's not at pretty as the Tytn's but the 750v screen is more than adequate.

This is great guys, thank you. haven't seen anything to put me off the 750v - I don't use MSN or Hotmail and I definitely prefer the form factor of the 750v.
Guess I'll be switching over soon

I was a Treo 600 user till I got a MDA Vario (aka Wizard), changed to TyTn after that, the screen is great and that about the only thing I miss, I have to say I hated that phone, the phone itself is so unfriendly to use, I missed so many calls and it has a habit of crashing alot.
I managed to swing a trade to 750v and my life improved dramtically, going from the TyTn screen to the 750v screen take all of a couple of days to get over, the 750v screen not great but does the job just fine, now I can use it as a phone, its just so easy, love it. I would never turn back, i loved my Treo 600 and 750v has put Treo back on track for me.
For me there no choice in the matter, 750v everytime.

took the plunge
So, went down to my local Vodafone business store yesterday and got the 750v. £50 for the phone on a 12 month contract at £25 per month - good deal.
Instant love - the form factor just can't be beat! it just feels right in your hand.
unlocked the phone and put in my t-mobile sim, set up the push email and everything works like a dream.
put in my favourite software and.......that's where it falls down (slightly!). that 240 x 240 screen resolution means that a couple of things just don't fit the screen size (space reclaimer and some of the wallpaper I use). is it a big deal?
not really. space reclaimer still works but you can't actually see how much space it's reclaimed. i've changed the wallpaper to one of my photos - looks great. pocket informant, spb backup and gprs monitor are fine. might put in memmaid or pocket mechanic.
big test will be when i get my 2gb mini sd card and install TomTom 6. looking forward to that?!

Good luck!
I hope the Treo works out well for you. I have had a TyTN from Vodafone UK for a while although have not been making serious use of it, and I borrowed a Treo from them on evaluation.
After three weeks I have just returned the Treo for a few very specific reasons (bear in mind that this is a business-driven evaluation):
1) BlackBerry Connect exists but is not supported yet by VF UK. I know this is true for the TyTN as well, but it would be a major driver for me to migrate my company from RIM devices.
2) After putting into silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis, eventually the Treo does not make any audible ring or vibrate regardless of the setting. The only way to recover is a soft reset. A colleague who has a pre-production model has the same experience and thought it was because it's pre-prod; evidently not.
3) Microsoft VoiceCommand comes bundled..... Great idea, except that it's the US version. Recognition of names requires an American accent and dialling numbers direct by voice is all to pot as a result. I have followed this up with both Palm and MS but got nothing except confirmation on how to remove the bundled version, which otherwise cannot be uninstalled.
Battery life was reasonable, screen quality decent and Bluetooth performance with my Nokia CK7W car kit was the best of any device so far - absolutely no echo reported.
I have gone back to the TyTN but the lack of a decent charging holder means that I am still dependent on my Blue Angel for some applications.
Hope this helps!

The positive side of the Treo
Regarding the last 2 posts:
1. Tomtom 6.0 works like a charme on the Treo even with a 2 gig MiniSD. I even use TTtraffic without a problem.
2. I bought the Brodit carholder for the Treo 650 and it fits like a glove. (www.brodit.com: 968635 Active Holder, Tilt Swivel)
3. I haven't had the problem with " silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis" the phone still rings without a problem. (I'm using the cingular though!)

gpsenzo68 said:
Regarding the last 2 posts:
1. Tomtom 6.0 works like a charme on the Treo even with a 2 gig MiniSD. I even use TTtraffic without a problem.
2. I bought the Brodit carholder for the Treo 650 and it fits like a glove. (www.brodit.com: 968635 Active Holder, Tilt Swivel)
3. I haven't had the problem with " silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis" the phone still rings without a problem. (I'm using the cingular though!)
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thanks gpsenzo68 - i was wondering whether it was safe to get the Brodit Treo 650 carholder. Is that a passive or active holder you are using? Good to know about TomTom 6 as well .

jbn said:
2) After putting into silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis, eventually the Treo does not make any audible ring or vibrate regardless of the setting. The only way to recover is a soft reset. A colleague who has a pre-production model has the same experience and thought it was because it's pre-prod; evidently not.
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I've had that problem, but only once to date. I do restart the device at least once a day, though... after all, it's Windows!
Alarms don't go off when they're supposed to.
The storage card is not recognised after some (varying) length of time in stand-by ("off") mode, requiring the card to be taken out and reinserted.
3G reception is not the best and the device drops calls when switching from UMTS to GSM. I've set it to GSM now to get more reliable phone performance and only change manually to automatic band selection if I need to access the internet.

I finally ended up purchasing Palm Treo 750v on Ebay. Just waiting to receive it

I have been a long time hermes (tytn,8525) user and have recently given the 750v a try. Wow. Long story short, 750 wins hands down for my usage. I'm a heavy pda user and it is still worth it for me. I'll have a video comparison review on howardforums later this week.

video review up on howardforums.com in the ppc section

mikewchandler said:
video review up on howardforums.com in the ppc section
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Can you post a link? Thanks.

zerimar said:
Can you post a link? Thanks.
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HowardsForum > Pocket PC > Treo 750 Video review
Wasn't to hard to FIND.

Pocketinformatn Weekview on a Treo750

Ive been using a HTC Wizard with PI. and I especially prefer the week view (7days).
I was wondering what the week view looks like on the Treo's square screen. How much information is visible?
can anybody post a screenshot?

I have PI running on my treo and it looks the same like on a regular Qvga screen, Only it looks a bit smaller. It shows the same amount of information.
I don't have any screenshot soft at the moment on my device, but will try this weekend to make a screenshot.
I used PI on my tytn and now on the treo and for me theres no difference in the way it looks.

Here is a sample of the Week view from PI
Just an FYI... PI has a built-in screenshot capturing tool.
In PI, go... Menu > Tools & Settings > Utilities > Screenshot
It saves it in your My Documents folder.
Hope this helps.
Sealos

thanks, looks pretty small.
Im looking for a new device and still doubting between the treo 750v and the HTC TyTn (Or MDA VarioII).
I used to have a MDA Vario, but it got stolen.
I like the larger screen, but I also like the front facing keyboard. I found myself getting annoyed with sliding out the keyboard all the time.
Is there anyone who went from a 'large' screen device to the treo 750? Do you miss the extra screen space?

I sold my tytn for a treo 750. I still don't regret it. the form factor of the treo is much better to me.
The tytn is a pretty good device, it got it all, except the simplicity of the treo.
My treo is also much faster then my tytn.
About the screen, indeed you have less space. It is smaller.
I noticed that i need less plugins for my today screen because the software from the treo is using the small screen very well.
So, no i don't miss the large screen from the tytn, i get more usability instead from the treo.

luminus said:
I sold my tytn for a treo 750. I still don't regret it. the form factor of the treo is much better to me.
The tytn is a pretty good device, it got it all, except the simplicity of the treo.
My treo is also much faster then my tytn.
About the screen, indeed you have less space. It is smaller.
I noticed that i need less plugins for my today screen because the software from the treo is using the small screen very well.
So, no i don't miss the large screen from the tytn, i get more usability instead from the treo.
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1 agree with luminus. I never regretted selling my Tytn. The 750v is much more stable and is a pleasure to use. you get used to the screen size - really!

HTC P3600i vs TyTN II (Kaiser)

I guess my next PDA will be one of those. Up to now I was convinced it would be the P3600i, but TyTN II show muscles too. What do you people think?
What is important for me is that the device is:
1) Solid. I remember my HTC Wizard sliding in my pocket, very annoying.
2) Small (and especially thin). I want (and I guess everybody else ) the smallest device will the most features. I haven't missed much the keyboard of my Wizard since I've switched to Prophet, but it's handy nevertheless. Can someone compare the thickness of both?
3) Fast! My XDA Neo (HTC Prophet) drives me crazy sometimes with its slow CPU.
3.1) Can you compare the CPUs of both - 400Mhz vs 500 Mhz Samsung?
3.2) Can you compare the 64MB P3600i with the 128MB Kaiser?
4) Overall impression. Anyone?

if i wanted keyboard i would get kaiser
if not i would get polaris not 3600i

Rudegar said:
if i wanted keyboard i would get kaiser
if not i would get polaris not 3600i
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Have you tried the navigation with the scrolling wheel? It's just awful No way I can prefer the wheel over the D-Pad..

ingenious said:
Have you tried the navigation with the scrolling wheel? It's just awful No way I can prefer the wheel over the D-Pad..
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I agree with Rudegar's choice. Only thing needs to be mentioned: Polaris seem to be VGA 3.5" screen so it might be to big for your expectation.
I have a HTC universal and as it is to heavy for some occasions I just last week bought a HTC Hermes .
After 2 days usage I given it to my wife. it is good as a phone but when it comes to PDA it is to small.
My opinion! HTC has really missed to produce and improve such devices like the HTC Himalaya (3.5" screen)
Damn I would love to have the Polaris with keyboard.

Upgrade to Polaris (O2 Orbit 2)?

I will be able to upgrade my handset in the next couple of weeks and am thinking between the O2 Stellar (Kaiser) and the Orbit 2 (Polaris). I was hoping to get some feedback to those who have the Polaris.
What do you like/dislike about the Polaris?
Have you tried the Kaiser? and if so how would you compare it to the Polaris?
And one basic question, can you use a stylus with the Polaris?
Thanks
Allan

I think kaiser & polaris are more less the same, except kaiser has hardkbd. In my case i choose Polaris(i have Universal w/ hardKB - i used it maybe 20x thru 2.5 years) - but its solely on Your habits.
Why not 2 use stylus? On Polaris

I heard that the Polaris doesnt have a pressure-sensitive screen and so you must use your finger - I don't think this is the case but I was asking to check...
Have you noticed any oddities with the new interface? Is it good to use or does it get in the way at times?
Thanks

Polaris has a transflective (i.e. daylight readable) screen, whereas on the Kaiser you can't see anything is direct sunlight. Important consideration if you use your device for sat nav as well.
And the Polaris comes with 2 stylus -__-
It is a "TouchFlo" screen which means you can use fingers AS WELL AS stylus.
I upgraded to the Polaris from a Hermes (predecessor of the Kaiser), and I am really surprised at how much difference the few millimeters in thickness makes!
In short, I love my Polaris.

Yes, I just checked that out - I dont know if I will use the stylus but it is useful that it comes with it. How do people find using the onscreen keyboard? I used to have a universal so was spoield with the large keyboard...

PCM Keyboard (free) is great, very finger friendly.
Alternatively, the Polaris comes with the two Touch style on-screen keyboards pre-installed.

My wife has just had an Orbit2 by O2 and compared to my Orbit (1) it is stunning. I've tweaked it with HTC homescreen and some other bits to make it a bit more usable. External card port so no more battery out to fit a new card (supplied with 1Gb) .The cube is super fast and super smooth and comes with CoPilot 7 pre loaded. Been trying to persuade her to swap with me but she's not playing.
She wasn't sure about having it as she thought it may be too complex for her needs but after the 1st hour she was a full convert to XDA. She has now taken to making iPhone users embarrassed to admit they bought the wrong hardware...hahaha
In short can't wait to upgrade.......Orbit2 for me.

Sounds great - now I hope my O2 store has them in stock!

co pilot live 7 pre installed on xda orbit 2
anyone else having a problem loading co pilot 7 on their O2 xda Orbit 2 mine hangs on the o2 display screen with a completion bar only with two green bars lit and a prompt saying Integrating updates this hangs forever and i ried to leave it overnight but to no evail

Advice for New phone (Omnia Vs xperia Vs pro)

Currently SEP900i for more than 2 years now and would like to change to Winmobile again.
Previously used O2 blueangel first with WM2003SE and then with WM5.
Currently i would like to know which phone do you suggest based on above 3. Though i would miss the keyboard on omnia but the camera and some other software features looks interesting.
Also since i dont change my mobile for at least 2 years leaving in China where we dont have mobile plans in EU so i would like to know if any of the 3 can be installed with WM7 whenever it is launched. Sorry if this is a little stupid but wont harm if i know could be done in future.
TIA.

omnia got a bigger screen but lower res
"i would like to know if any of the 3 can be installed with WM7 whenever it is launched"
nobody can say for sure
acceleration Meter would prob mean more wm7 features supported though x1 dont have that not sure about Omnia

Omnia has an accelerometer
edit: in Asia there is an Omnia that has an 800x480 screen, if your looking at Omnia's then check this out. I think its called the Omnia-T (but not sure - google is your friend). Also, Samsung are very prolific with firmware upgrades and being very aggresive at supporting the phone in this manner. Much more active than HTC have ever been and VERY quick to fix issues with new firmware. check out i900.modaco.com for more info.

The Omnia feels quite cheap, and is only so popular because a lot of people know Samsung.
The HTC's are by far the best.
The Xperia has a smaller screen, and a small keyboard.
The Pro is ofcourse very nice, but quite large around the waist. ;-)
Xperia has higher resolution and nicer screen.
I was doubting for a while too, but I've tested them all, and yesterday decided to buy the HD.
Omnia already had quite some problems, and the resolution of the Touch Pro is not suited for the future.
The Hd's 800*400-screen is unbelieveable.

That's right, go for HTC Touch HD.
Regards,
Carty..

guanodude said:
The Omnia feels quite cheap, and is only so popular because a lot of people know Samsung.
The HTC's are by far the best.
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I was doubting for a while too, but I've tested them all, and yesterday decided to buy the HD.
Omnia already had quite some problems, and the resolution of the Touch Pro is not suited for the future.
The Hd's 800*400-screen is unbelieveable.
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Tested them all? I OWN a Touch Diamond (before that, TyTN and TyTN2 and BlueAngel) and EVERY HTC device I have ever had has had to be returned for physical failures at least once if not twice. Actually, thats a lie: the TD hasn't because I gave up with it after trying various diferent ROMs. This has now been refunded by the ebay seller as under UK law its "Not Fit For Purpose". (And the new euro constitution want's to get rid of our Sales of Goods Act - UK people, dont let them!!!)
The last phone I had between the tytn 2 and TD was a Tosh G900 and this was faultless - just like my I900 which is also FAULTLESS. The Omnia has some software issues to start with (Blank screen of death) but these were aggresivley fixed by Samsung, far quicker than HTC have ever done with any of there issues.
HTC devices are designed great but pi** poor manufacturing quality in my experience as can be seen from my history. I said once before that I would NEVER buy another HTC device and I didn't but then relented and purchased a TD .... only to be proved that I should never buy a HTC device.
btw, the first phone to have a 800*480 screen was the Tosh G900 .... been there, done that.... for well over a year. Well done HTC for catching up .... finaly
Before anyone shouts TomTom (at the Omnia) ... this has been proven by the guys on Modaco that this is a TomTom programing issue and not a Samsung problem. But then, this is also easily got around with GPSGate or similar.
I will point out though that if games are your choice, the Omnia is not the best choice as games often have hard coded screen resolutions and these won't work - again, maybe look for the 800x480 Omnia which is about to launch in Asia.
And finaly, Hands up all those that have 32gig in there phone......
/me puts hand up