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Battle of the Push services: emoze vs. mail2web

I haven't seen anyone come up with a good description of what emoze does yet, so I thought I'd contribute my own, and compare it to web2mail. emoze is in fact much more than just a pushmail service, it constantly is updating all aspects of Outlook (email, calender, tasks, ect). Changes occur almost instantaneously (<5 seconds via EDGE, i've timed it). Delete an email of your PPC, it deletes off of your computer. Change a meeting time on your computer, it changes instantly on your PPC. Everything remains in perfect sync at all times, as long as you have an internet connection on both ends. To reduce battery drain, you can switch to a periodic sync (every so many minutes), but obviously changes and email won't show up as fast then. Regular pop email pisses me off because there's no good way to reply to email you recieved through activesync. Emoze solves this. The only other way I know of to get this sort of service is to be a large business with a big, expensive MS Exchange server. If you manage your life with Outlook like I do, I highly reccomend this software. It works right out of the box (even though there's no box nowdays), just install the desktop PC software, install the PPC software, and it goes.
mail2web has most of the same features, with a few significant difference. It has better attatchment size (100mb) versus emoze's 1mb limit. However, the kicker for me is that you must use a mail2web email address ([email protected]), along with mail2web's desktop email client, to utilize mail2web. Emoze lets you keep your current email address, and your current desktop email client, giving you nothing to relearn, and better protection if emoze/web2mail were to go bankrupt and disappear overnight. Unfortunately, Emoze doesn't support all email clients, although they're working on it, so mail2web might be the way to go if you're running, say, lotus domino. I haven't actually used mail2web, so if I missed any advantages they might have, feel free to post.
Both services are free, so go ahead and try 'em. I have yet to recieve any spam from emoze. Don't know about mail2web though.
Emoze: http://www.emoze.com/en/HomePage.html
mail2web: http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/

odd first post wonder who he works for :lol:

the main reason I am using Mail2web and not emoze is because mail2web does not require me to have my own PC on 24/7 nor installing any client on my PC. Peace out

Trucido said:
the main reason I am using Mail2web and not emoze is because mail2web does not require me to have my own PC on 24/7 nor installing any client on my PC. Peace out
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Good point. That's a big plus for mail2web. Do you know some way to reply to your mail that makes it seem like you're using your normal email instead of a mail2web email address? I'd definitely switch if I could figure out a good way to do that.

You can do that, but you have to pay for it. That's how they get you to pay them.

does emoze support html mail? free mail2web accounts don't, because they have only exchange server 2003 running.
emoze has a pc client (outlook plugin?) which syncs over internet with the mobile version of emoze on my ppc? this is an advantage and a disadvantage:
the disadvantage has been mentioned - the pc has to run all the time.
but on the other side you are able to sync your mobile and your pc over air.
with free mail2web accounts you can only sync your ppc with the exchange server.
the mail2web email address is not really bad: within the settings of my usual mail account (arcor) i added a filter, which redirects a copy of every incoming mail to my mail2web account. that is not the finest solution, but better than nothing.

emoze battery issues vs mail2web activesync
i had emoze on my hp 6965 and on my htc x7500 and it works very nicely
the only few problems ive had is battery dies within 4-5 hours if the sync is allways on
also if you have pictures associated with your contacts it dosent transfer them back and forth i found, mail2web has no problem doing this
it really was nice to be able to push gmail over the air and have my desktop and ppc synced at the same time but if your pc looses connection ur off the air until you get to it and fix it.
mail2web is great since it keeps your battery life very long (i can have it on all day with about 2 hrs of talktime and about 20-30 emails a day) and still have about 30% left by the time i get home or to my car to charge it again,
but when you reply to messeges it dosent use the gmail address, which sux badly since i want it to use gmail,
the advanteges are you can hard reset your device and not worry about your info being lost or having to get home and save it its just allways on the server, which i like knowing all my data is safe,
ive looked into several other programs like pusheffect and i just couldent get it going so i uninstalled it,
the only other programs i found recently is the seven beta program, i downloaded it to my device and installed it even tho it says wm5 only supported, i had no problems running it on my wm6 unit, it works like a charm
and i get both my gmails, and my work email on it
my current setup is mail2web synced with activesync on my x7500 and seven for my gmails and work email,
also, the seven beta program does not notify you once an email comes in with any audio or the messege icon, it just shows
" [email protected] 1 unread"
so you have to keep looking at your unit from time to time to see if you have email,
push works great, alltho it seems like from time it takes it about 5 min's to get a messege,

I have frequent problems with mail2web
I have all mail forwarded to my gmail, then I have gmail forward everything to mail2web. Gmail frequently reports bounced messages sent to m2w. I'm going to try emoze. I suspect it will be a lot better. Since I have two machines (media server and tor box) on all the time anyway, that's no big deal for me, but there are other advantages to doing so.

purrfect said:
the only other programs i found recently is the seven beta program, i downloaded it to my device and installed it even tho it says wm5 only supported, i had no problems running it on my wm6 unit, it works like a charm
and i get both my gmails, and my work email on it
my current setup is mail2web synced with activesync on my x7500 and seven for my gmails and work email,
also, the seven beta program does not notify you once an email comes in with any audio or the messege icon, it just shows
" [email protected] 1 unread"
so you have to keep looking at your unit from time to time to see if you have email,
push works great, alltho it seems like from time it takes it about 5 min's to get a messege,
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Thanks for the heads up for the Seven Beta, just signed up and have now stopped forwarding my gmail to my mail2web account, they can now function as two separate items with push on both. As for seven not notifying me when new mail arrives, i can live with that.
Edit
Just sent a test email to both accounts, mail2web won by 1 minute and the PPC went beep for each message

aak4 said:
You can do that, but you have to pay for it. That's how they get you to pay them.
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Could you elaborate on this? I don't mind paying, but how would I set it up?

Push mail with two servers

I was searching the forum, and elsewhere, and could not get a way of solving the issues..
Problem:
1. Exchange server (office related) is occupying 'push mail' using ActiveSync definitions. Works just fine.
2. Google APPS - although it can push mail, I have to connect as IMAP or POP account , losing push mail. Works fine as well..
However- recently I have a need to get notified right away when I get an email on my google account. I can use activeSync to push google, but my current exchange server does not have POP or IMAP. I tried changing the intervals of checking my google account (using IMAP) to every 5 minutes. That works kind of OK, but my battery drainage increased to a point I have to charge before i get back home.
I looked into solutions like Chronobilis, but it did not work. I need mainly emails, not calendar and contacts to be pushed (obviously). Even a paid service is nice, but I can not use a 3rd party service if my emails are sent to an un-authorized 3rd party server, especially if servers may reside outside the US.
Any ideas?

Possible solution...
Have you tried the SEVEN Beta Program? It does provide push email capabilities for free. I used it awhile back to have multiple email accounts from Exchange and Gmail pushed to my phone.
URL: http://community.seven.com/main.php

BigE said:
However- recently I have a need to get notified right away when I get an email on my google account. I can use activeSync to push google, but my current exchange server does not have POP or IMAP. I tried changing the intervals of checking my google account (using IMAP) to every 5 minutes. That works kind of OK, but my battery drainage increased to a point I have to charge before i get back home.
Any ideas?
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I would try a demo of touchdown from the market it can activesync i dont recall if it can do multiple accounts or not but I thinks not but YMMV.

Seven ! that's it !!!
WOW...
Tried the solution offered , using SEVEN, and it is great. Was not only able to pusg Gmail and Exchange at the same time, but I am getting rid of ActiveSync I never liked...
Thanks guys. Prompt answer, and a damn good one too..
bigE

Push email on Android

Currently, I fall on the WinMo side of the coin.
All my email is hosted by Google Apps, and is pushed to my WinMo device by GoogleApps using the MS Activesync (MS Exchange Server) protocol.
If I move onto an ANDROID device, what mechanisms are available to me, to have 'always on' push-email? Will my GoogleApps account have to MS ActiveSync to my Google Powered phone? Seems a bit weird. I know there are some 'constant connected' implementations of IMAP too, but apparently they're particularly resource / data hungry.
Can anyone advise - I'm likely to buy my first Android phone quite soon.

The default gmail application does push. There are also several options and settings for push or timed queries for other mail services, exchange or otherwise through market applications or the stock email application.

Android phones usually have 2 mail apps. One for gmail which automatically pushes mail to the app and works absolutely brilliantly. The second is for all other types of mail accounts eg pop, Imap, and exchange ActiveSync. This can be scheduled or set to push under ActiveSync.

Thanks folks, for all the input.
This sounds like it would actually work better for me, as it seems I'd be able to have instant push email through the gmail app, for my google-apps domain, and the second mail client could be pushed email directly from an exchange server.
Wonder how it'll handle contacts from both!
I think all that remains now, is do I get the HTC Desire, or the SE Xperia X10,
and that's a question out of scope for this thread, I think.

Has anyone tried setting up gmail as an activesync account so all email will be in one app? I've tried different things for the username and domain and can't get it to connect.

I actually switched from having a hosted MSexchange account to a Googleapps GMail acct, and push works great.

n0ahg said:
Has anyone tried setting up gmail as an activesync account so all email will be in one app? I've tried different things for the username and domain and can't get it to connect.
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according to googleapps, username is your FULL email address - [email protected] or [email protected]. domain should be blank. the 'Exchange' server is m.google.com. The option for using security should be selected.
Having never laid hands on Android, I can't tell you how to input these; but this is what I use on WinMo, and on my Nokia with the MailForExchange client.

youbrokeit said:
according to googleapps, username is your FULL email address - [email protected] or [email protected]. domain should be blank. the 'Exchange' server is m.google.com. The option for using security should be selected.
Having never laid hands on Android, I can't tell you how to input these; but this is what I use on WinMo, and on my Nokia with the MailForExchange client.
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The email app on android doesn't have a seperate domain box and keeps putting a '\' on the front of the '<mail name>@gmail.com' :-(

I know this is some sort of thread necromancy but I have a question regarding setting up google mail while also using the standard google account for synchronisation.
Both methods offer also synchronisation of contacts and calendars. While having both calendar synchronisation options active it will clone your entries. What about the contact synchronisation? It seems reasonable to have both options active as adding a new contact over the email app (which will use the exchange active sync) would synchronise with the google contacts which in turn should fill up your contacts handbook. Or is it obsolete as the stock email app will already add the contact to your google account even using seemingly another account?
I would appreciate any attempts to clear this confusion
Nevermind. Found it out myself: just stay with the google account, the stock email app takes it info from there and does integrate it.

issue im facing on the GMail app that comes built in with the OS, I cannot move emails to a specific folder. Any overcome ?

Some of this needs to be done from a PC......

well moving to a folder is a basic function, and being a google phone i feel the GMAIL app is lacking in quite alot of basic needs, not mentioning the UI.
Been an iphone user, and GMAIL was awesome on iphone. Can say, gmail on iphone mail app been an awesome experience. The push mail is quite similiar to BlackBerry on iphone. Quite disappointed on my email experience with android.

ratta77 said:
well moving to a folder is a basic function, and being a google phone i feel the GMAIL app is lacking in quite alot of basic needs, not mentioning the UI.
Been an iphone user, and GMAIL was awesome on iphone. Can say, gmail on iphone mail app been an awesome experience. The push mail is quite similiar to BlackBerry on iphone. Quite disappointed on my email experience with android.
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Same here.
With 4 email accounts, i feel like the only one that works correctly with push is Gmail.
Other emails have to be set through independent apps, if available, which is very annoying.
The native email app doesn't have a push option, draining battery every time it goes fetch.
Android is a powerhouse.
There's gotta be a solution for this.
I would like emails on the same app, and push.
I need a phone for business and the best email phone is still the Blackberry.

Hi guys,
For all those who are looking for having your private domain mails pushed to your phone, without having an Exchange setup, GMAIL does it!
Here is a step by step guide for adding POP/IMAP mail accounts into your GMAIL account and therefore getting the mails pushed to your phone.
Only thing is that the mails take around 15-20 minutes to come through, as GMAIL fetches your POP/IMAP mails into its server every 15 minutes.
http://www.androidcentral.com/using-gmail-your-own-personal-push-mail-server
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Next alternative is using SEVEN MAIL! this is a brilliant app, very very easy to setup, and gives you mails in 5-10 minutes max!
here is the page where they have a direct download link for the SEVEN app
http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/seven-a-push-email-client-released-on-android-2-1.html
and above all, like Gmail, its also FREE!

Airosa said:
Same here.
With 4 email accounts, i feel like the only one that works correctly with push is Gmail.
Other emails have to be set through independent apps, if available, which is very annoying.
The native email app doesn't have a push option, draining battery every time it goes fetch.
Android is a powerhouse.
There's gotta be a solution for this.
I would like emails on the same app, and push.
I need a phone for business and the best email phone is still the Blackberry.
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I have to agree with you. How could google let us down? the email app is crap.... I miss iphone email client but i hate APPLE

Problem push mail motorola Razr
Hello i just got my razr 3 days ago is running 2.3.5 I just notice that i dont get my emails on time i have to keep refreshing every-time i happen either with gmail app nor email app i try to modify the settings but is not too much to set i try to delete the gmail update and still the same problem, i have also a blackberry and the emails goes straight away to my blackberry and after 30 or 40 to my razr which is very annoying i want to get rid of blackberry, Somebody knows how to fix it? thanks

Emails

I have over 400 emails and my phone only showing me 100 of them. Amyone else having this issue?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

I guess no one is having this problem?

I am suprised no one else having this problem, I guess I have a defective one.

I noticed this just a day ago. The POP emails seem to age off after 1 week or if they get deleted on the server.
My assumption is the email client on the phone is doing this; it should not, but there is no other reason for it. The only relevant email setting i can find is if the client should delete on the server.
I was starting to like Touchwiz, but Samsung really messed up the email client. I hope custom Roms give us a better email client.
I also have a problem with POP3 fetch. I have 1 Exchange, Gmail, and 3 POP3 accounts. Exchange works as it should, but the POP3 accounts seem to stop fetching overnight. Even manually refreshing doesn't work. I may have rebooted before or just waited... not sure.

alphadog00 said:
I also have a problem with POP3 fetch. I have 1 Exchange, Gmail, and 3 POP3 accounts. Exchange works as it should, but the POP3 accounts seem to stop fetching overnight. Even manually refreshing doesn't work. I may have rebooted before or just waited... not sure.
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I had the inverse problem. IMAP stoped retreiving my mail and POP3 worked
(I had 2 IMAP + 3 GMAIL)
Now 1 IMAP, 1 POP and 3 GMAIL

Email Client Is Too Slow
Why is the email client so dang slow?
It's slow in general but mostly when I go to delete emails.
If I select several emails for deletion they pop off one at a time every 5 seconds or so.
No other phone I've owned has ever taken this long to do something as simple as delete an email.
Is this a problem with just the Captivate and TouchWiz, or does it happen with other Android phones as well?
Will this be fixed in FroYo?

Also for some reason some e-mail clients like Eudora, has an issue with the stock e-mail app from Samsung, it does not have proper mail headers and Eudora will show up as gibberish. I have switched over to MailDroid and it seems to be a lot more responsive, less of a memory hog and actually has no problems with Eudora and other mail clients that require mime in the headers. As well as I got a -2 e-mail on an iMap account under the Samsung Stock E-mail app...
Cheers,
Charlie

[Q] mail client for hotmail - mark mail as read on server

so, i had a hotmail account set up on my htc mail app. mail came through with no problems, but any actions i took on the device didnt get reflected on the server. so if i read/deleted mail on the device, i had to do the same on the web inbox.
i switched to k-9 mail which now deletes mail on the server, but doesnt mark the mail as read once i've read it. something which i do quite often as i use my hotmail for online purchases, and i want to read an invoice but keep it for reference.
does anyone know an app that allows mail thats read on the device to be marked as read on the server?
muchos gracias!

anyone?

reelist said:
anyone?
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My wife has a blackberry and uses hotmail also. I believe the problem lies in the difference between POP3/IMAP. Hotmail connects via POP3 and from what I gather that protocol doesn't involve much more than basically forwarding the messages to your phone. While IMAP (which Gmail is capable of using) allows the syncing of deleted items\read items\etc.

dkelle4 said:
My wife has a blackberry and uses hotmail also. I believe the problem lies in the difference between POP3/IMAP. Hotmail connects via POP3 and from what I gather that protocol doesn't involve much more than basically forwarding the messages to your phone. While IMAP (which Gmail is capable of using) allows the syncing of deleted items\read items\etc.
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I had a blackberry before my android and was able to read and delete mail, mark mail as unread etc and it would be reflected in my hotmail inbox. its really frustrating as having the blackberry allowed me to manage my inbox completely without having to log into my hotmail and now i feel like im going backwards

reelist said:
so, i had a hotmail account set up on my htc mail app. mail came through with no problems, but any actions i took on the device didnt get reflected on the server. so if i read/deleted mail on the device, i had to do the same on the web inbox.
i switched to k-9 mail which now deletes mail on the server, but doesnt mark the mail as read once i've read it. something which i do quite often as i use my hotmail for online purchases, and i want to read an invoice but keep it for reference.
does anyone know an app that allows mail thats read on the device to be marked as read on the server?
muchos gracias!
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Try this:
Setup a new account.
In the first screen, where you write your name and password, hit manual setup. In the next screen, select the last option (Exchange ActiveSync).
In the details put:
Server: m.hotmail.com
Username: your email eg. [email protected]
Domain: leave this blank
SSL: Enable this/use always
Certificate: SSL
It has some additional settings (sync contacts, calendars, etc.), select as needed.
Began testing last weekend after seeing this post. http://androidcommunity.com/forums/349480-post18.html
E-Mail is working good so far, have not used contacts and calendar sync. It pushes messages and syncs them both ways when necessary.

dr_tracker said:
Try this:
Setup a new account.
In the first screen, where you write your name and password, hit manual setup. In the next screen, select the last option (Exchange ActiveSync).
In the details put:
Server: m.hotmail.com
Username: your email eg. [email protected]
Domain: leave this blank
SSL: Enable this/use always
Certificate: SSL
It has some additional settings (sync contacts, calendars, etc.), select as needed.
Began testing last weekend after seeing this post. http://androidcommunity.com/forums/349480-post18.html
E-Mail is working good so far, have not used contacts and calendar sync. It pushes messages and syncs them both ways when necessary.
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so so close!
firstly, thanks for the tip. it seems to be working, but the only issue is that it has constant sync failures. i've only had it up for half an hour or so and have been testing it out, and when it works - it works well. but the syncing issue could be a deal breaker if its not an time-isolated issue. so far i've had to manually instigate the sync when i know theres new mail, or i want to push changes back to the server.
will give it a few days and see. if its still buggy i dont see spending 12 quid on it as getting value for money.

Weird... It's been working perfect so far, maybe it has to do with the OS version you have on your device, I have Cyanogen's 6.1 RC1, Android 2.2.1. Anyway I was looking for a product called Exchange for Android 2.x, but it's $20 and this is not an urgent need for me.
BTW, why you need to expend $12 on this, it's free as far as I can tell