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I am extending this post just because it took a long time to sticky 1 more month.....
I would like to ask the community if they would want 1 sticky thread with the following info. Only the rom author would post in this forum not questions the rom author can link to a thread regarding this. Or should we just WIKI this?
Current and past rom builds
Fixes for Rom past and present
Links to How to threads such as WM6 VIOP
EX These should be the authors post. And no one other than the author should post
CrossBow Reloaded by MFRAZZZ
1.71(Beta) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310101&highlight=reloaded
1.7 (Stable) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309531&highlight=reloaded
1.5 (Stable) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306820&highlight=reloaded
Voip Setup
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950
I think you get the hint.....
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Please post your comments if you have any
Good iniciative
Thanks, the result can´t be other than a better organized forum
More input
Hey we need at least 100 votes to make a difference.
HMM looking at the wiki this does seem good. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=wizard_WM_6
Moderator
I am going to ask a moderator to sticky this
I agree with luiggi. Since the kitchens were out there are so many ROMS out there. So we shall organize this forum better.
The point of a forum is discussion....
I think if only one person is editing, a Wiki makes more sense. After the discussion happens in the forum, the filtered content (fixes, etc.) could go to the Wiki instead of the first post. Having all the discussion as part-in-parcel to the original post is getting pretty clunky.
The trouble would come in a cluttered Wiki, no?
There should be a wiki where all cooks put a link to thier roms, so that we end up with one "master list" of all the roms available. So that we dont have to go searching thru the forum to find different roms.
you can create many subforums which will be messy at first but if you want a quick simple fix create a [ Files Only section (no discussions) ] this fixed other websites from getting messy.
example site
http://www.rom10x.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=255
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I agree with luiggi. Since the kitchens were out there are so many ROMS out there. So we shall organize this forum better.
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I'm sorry to bother you, but where did you get the official WM6 Release for the 8125.
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I'm sorry to bother you, but where did you get the official WM6 Release for the 8125.
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His build is not really the official release for 8125. There is no such beast. The closest is the on that was uploaded by Ingentics (however you spell it)
According to him, it came directly from microsoft. Or if you want one with good fixes and is stable and built off that base rom, grab jaguar. <see signature>
Its very lite
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His build is not really the official release for 8125. There is no such beast. The closest is the on that was uploaded by Ingentics (however you spell it)
According to him, it came directly from microsoft. Or if you want one with good fixes and is stable and built off that base rom, grab jaguar. <see signature>
Its very lite
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Thanks nottoosmart. I'm gonna download and install and see how it runs.
I'll update later.
ROM Originator/Author's Original/Changes always on TOP
Why not have/keep/Sticky the ROM Originator/Author's Original posting on top and then allow that person to edit that posting as needed. This way we could always look at the ROM Originator/Author posting to see what is the latest version/changes.
All other postings could be as currently done. I find it very time consuming that one has to go though x00 postings to find if any updates have been made to the original version.
Honestly, this forum has been a mess for a while.. I have been trolling around here for ages, and sometimes it is really difficult to find anything in the 100 page threads.
My suggestion, although time consuming will probably help.
Create 2 threads for each major rom/kitchen release (not the minor "everyone can cook there own roms" rom). 1 is stickied, 1 is not. The sticky is only accessible by the author of said rom, and no one but mods or himself/herself can post to it, the other is for basic discussion about said rom/kitchen
Additionally the mods may want to go through and clear out older threads completely, and cull the threads with far too many pages for any usefull information (or maybe permit the author the rom the thread is about to cull that thread).
Post any comments\questions\suggestions below...
What about a sticky thread for all ROMs?
I think it should remain active, but grouped in a single post under the name olds sticky, so this is easier to locate.
Greetings.
Yes, if an [OLD] tag would be added the stickies would be cleaner.
But the best sollution would be for everyone to make fresh ROMs!
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I think it should remain active, but grouped in a single post under the name olds sticky, so this is easier to locate.
Greetings.
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agree 100%
I voted "Yes", but I'd like to see a rollup sticky for at least a few months after the last update...
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I think it should remain active, but grouped in a single post under the name olds sticky, so this is easier to locate.
Greetings.
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One more for this option
i'm sorry for my ignorance but what is exactly a stiky?
We've got too many stickies at the moment and it's hard to keep track of all the different build numbers, so I think we should have a single sticky post which links to the following wiki page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Cooked_ROMs
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i'm sorry for my ignorance but what is exactly a stiky?
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Stickies are those threads that stay at the top of the first page of threads, even if no one posts in them for a while. You will notice they have "Sticky" to the left of their name.
no1 said:
We've got too many stickies at the moment and it's hard to keep track of all the different build numbers, so I think we should have a single sticky post which links to the following wiki page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Cooked_ROMs
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The problem with that Wiki page is that the ROM developers don't update\maintain it
I'll probably have a go at updating it after my exams are over.
I have all the respect for Jwrightmcps's ROMS ..thats how I started with Universal Cooked ROMs..however honestly..it would be nice if the cooker let an update if he was working on something or not....
Based on that...if the cooker leaves no update on what he's doing next I think the ROM sticky needs to go...in fact I agree with the [OLD] thread subject update. Its a good idea however better than that would be to open a seperate small subsection (subforum) for each device called Archived ROMs...anything thats over a 6 month timeframe is considered old with the latest technology updates and the fact that new rom's are shooting out (for other devices and brought over here) at the speed of light. We have seen more than 10 devices launched in the span of a year, which is amazing considering a few years ago ...it was quite the opposite...
I personally feel old rom's need to be archived (let people search them out, thats what SEARCH is for, or a subsection forum). It helps in another way. How many times do we see threads asking for "What's the best ROM to use" ... if a ROM is almost bugfree (or has no issues or bug reports since the last 6 months), they stay sticky (even if theres no development for a future rom) - this ensures that its close to stable and is worth STICKY even though its not the "latest thing" (its stable or close to stable).
Removing old rom's isnt the best idea, since it leaves us missing the past history of what the developers did and how far we all got. History should remain an integral part of the forum, however history needs no sticky. The Fast, Furious and the Stablest needs recognition. Obviously the old is gold - saying remains but not for a sticky. The idea of sticky is - GO HERE, IT's Important..historically yes, the old roms are milestones, however you have a search system for that...
Further the fact that you have Wikis for a few developers now, lets them post an update and a link to the past thread - the perfect History book (updated to today). I think that's how we should go further...The latest , stablest roms are setup as sticky OR optionally each developer has his own sticky thread - first post links to HIS/HER WIKI...for tons of information and links to old threads/roms....
I think thats the best way to go..however these are my thoughts based on what I would prefer .... suggestions will vary...but I think I make sense (at least to myself)
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The problem with that Wiki page is that the ROM developers don't update\maintain it
I'll probably have a go at updating it after my exams are over.
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Exactly my point...if developers dont update it..they arent very interested or sure about it (or they dont have time). I feel wiki is the way to go. Developers should feel the time (or have a few fans) to fill in the details. Dutty updates his wiki (well he's on vacation so cant blame him on missing the latest if he did)...
I think Wiki makes a lot of sense and you have to start to use it. If we say people dont have the time to use or update wiki...maybe we should drop the wiki...(which wont happen)...the point is...Wiki is definitely a good thing to look at and develop on.
Hi all,
I have made a new thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398647
please can all devs add links to their roms in this thread, please nobody else post anything on this thread to keep it clean. I have requested that the mods remove any posts from this thread that do not contain rom links from Devs.
I have also requested that our old rom thread be released from sticky as I have added links to most of our (Beasty & Laurentius26) Roms in this main thread.
Good point D.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Hi all,
I have made a new thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398647
please can all devs add links to their roms in this thread, please nobody else post anything on this thread to keep it clean. I have requested that the mods remove any posts from this thread that do not contain rom links from Devs.
I have also requested that our old rom thread be released from sticky as I have added links to most of our (Beasty & Laurentius26) Roms in this main thread.
Good point D.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I've stickied your thread, though I would much rather people use the wiki page...
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I've stickied your thread, though I would much rather people use the wiki page...
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Thanks mate,
I'll try and get round to doing the Wiki too, some time soon.
Getting a bit more free time now, time to get "the house in order" before moving on to the Pro.
I agree the Wiki should be done, I also believe a sticky thread for all WM6/WM6.1 Roms is very usefull in this forum though.
When did you become a mod sir?
Cheers,
Beasty
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Thanks mate,
I'll try and get round to doing the Wiki too, some time soon.
Getting a bit more free time now, time to get "the house in order" before moving on to the Pro.
I agree the Wiki should be done, I also believe a sticky thread for all WM6/WM6.1 Roms is very usefull in this forum though.
When did you become a mod sir?
Cheers,
Beasty
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I became a mod about a week ago - thanks (I think) to our good friend Midget_1990
For the stickies, I think we'll have it that the latest ROMs get stickied and have the wiki\rolled up sticky for all ROMs, current or previous
Congrets
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I became a mod about a week ago - thanks (I think) to our good friend Midget_1990
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Congrets, my friend!!
You achieved it but no PARTY...!!!
cheers
I think some old Roms need to be sticky, e.g BL's 2.08.01. That came out long ago, it was stable and perfect and he didn't contributed anything as non-beta since that. Removing the track of such is unfair to the Devs I believe.
oqaab said:
I think some old Roms need to be sticky, e.g BL's 2.08.01. That came out long ago, it was stable and perfect and he didn't contributed anything as non-beta since that. Removing the track of such is unfair to the Devs I believe.
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I have a sticky with a link to all my roms, and hope that other devs will add to that thread a post with all their rom versions and links.
I still prefer my old 2.07.05 FF, I think that was the best I have released, but everyone has their own preferences.
Maybe I will release one more Rom before moving on to Touch Pro, time will tell.
Cheers,
Beasty
Hmmm, I see some contradictions already as to the purpose of this thread.
In my opinion I think it should be settled first what thread deserves as sticky. I would say first & foremost to go in is the Wiki, saves us & newbies from doing search for Universal essentials... unlocking, flashing, bootloader upgrade, page pool setup, etc., etc. etc.
A link to all the published ROM's probably organized by owner or by version (WM5, WM6, WM6.1, etc.) can be part of the wiki as well. Another working model is what our new mod & this thread owner TehPenguin is doing: A ROM repository. Point a link to it inside the Wiki and we can have a 'cleaner' forum threads.
Was wondering also why not all 'new' ROM's get stickied irregardless if its not the builder who posted it, any criteria in this matter?
My thoughts shared.
Hello to all ,
Well i was jus siting and looking at all the ROMs around so jus gave it a thought that can;t we have a thread where is we post the name of all the current running ROMs for Kaiser which is most prefered and feedback to the chef to make it better..
i know i am really a Jr. to think so much for as i jus have a a new Kaiser.
But then jus give it a thought and post the ROM which is in your Kaiser/TYTN II / TILT ... and the one you feel is great..
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Hello to all ,
Well i was jus siting and looking at all the ROMs around so jus gave it a thought that can;t we have a thread where is we post the name of all the current running ROMs for Kaiser which is most prefered and feedback to the chef to make it better..
i know i am really a Jr. to think so much for as i jus have a a new Kaiser.
But then jus give it a thought and post the ROM which is in your Kaiser/TYTN II / TILT ... and the one you feel is great..
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It's all down to personal opinion, there are plenty ROM's to choose from, flash flash & flash till you find the one that you like...
You can aslo just check people sigs and the chefs get comments in there threads.
Hi, we are currently discussing the pros and cons of such a thread in the "About" forum here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466666
At the moment I am using PDACorner v14. A lot of members post their ROM versions in their signatures.
As I said in the other thread, this sort of discussion is very subjective. I'd recommend you watch the forum and try some of the newer ROM's to get a feel for what you like. That's how I do it
Ta
Dave
I truely agree to what you say we aren't here to make others decide and impose the ROMs we like but to express our experience to the ROM we are using... and why we like the ROM we are using...
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I truely agree to what you say we aren't here to make others decide and impose the ROMs we like but to express our experience to the ROM we are using... and why we like the ROM we are using...
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If everyone was as mature as you then we wouldn't have a problem, and we wouldn't need moderators
Until then we have to keep a close eye on these discussions before they decend into all out madness.
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I certainly agree this Dave...
Hats off to your work....
since ive been a member i personally think anyone who spends ther time to cook up and share with us all deserve a pat on back [or a donation how ever small]and like it says in first of any posts...search search...search
I recommend closing this thread... This is NOT a chat room... There are plenty of reading material in every Cooked ROM thread, that would enhance anybody's knowledge of which ROM people are using or not using and WHY...
My thing is, I am rather new to the ROM-flashing thing. I've quickly learned alot about how to do all this, and now what I'm lacking is a cohesive sense of what ROMs are out there that I can try on my phone - I haven't the time or the inclination to scroll through dozens of pages back through the Kaiser forum looking for ROMs to try. It would be nice to have a single sticky thread where all the available Kaiser ROMs are listed (in the Kaiser forum, and other similar threads for other phones in the other forums) that just hyperlink to the appropriate thread for each ROM.
What that gives the Noob especially is a list of all the ROMs they can try. I'm just guessing that I've seen even 1% of the available ROMs. I have no idea if I'm choosing one I really like, or one I settle on because I can't find the rest.
It's really little more than a question of convenience. By having a single list of all the available Kaiser ROMs, it makes it easy for me to look at them all and choose one. Such a thread does not need any discussion to be allowed, it's just a source of information. If people want to discuss a ROM, they can discuss it in the thread that is linked to from the main list.
Does this make sense?
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My thing is, I am rather new to the ROM-flashing thing. I've quickly learned alot about how to do all this, and now what I'm lacking is a cohesive sense of what ROMs are out there that I can try on my phone - I haven't the time or the inclination to scroll through dozens of pages back through the Kaiser forum looking for ROMs to try. It would be nice to have a single sticky thread where all the available Kaiser ROMs are listed (in the Kaiser forum, and other similar threads for other phones in the other forums) that just hyperlink to the appropriate thread for each ROM.
What that gives the Noob especially is a list of all the ROMs they can try. I'm just guessing that I've seen even 1% of the available ROMs. I have no idea if I'm choosing one I really like, or one I settle on because I can't find the rest.
It's really little more than a question of convenience. By having a single list of all the available Kaiser ROMs, it makes it easy for me to look at them all and choose one. Such a thread does not need any discussion to be allowed, it's just a source of information. If people want to discuss a ROM, they can discuss it in the thread that is linked to from the main list.
Does this make sense?
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Have you tried the wiki page
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Dave
Apologise to those who think of closing the post but my intension was jus to let every express the ROM they use cause not every one uses the ROM anD Radio VER on there signatures..
Also it would let know that who uses which ROM , I am sorry to see that this is driven into a conterversy ..
Trolling for regulars
vikasraj dont worry mate this board is chock full of regulars who belive that anyone who comes here should read every single post, of course it is perfectly reasonable to ask for a quick list of popular roms but that would be far too easy and lets face it give the sad regulars nothing much to read, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the regular users here apart from the flashing info, they really don't add much apart from stupid pointless 'read the board' comments, I am here to find a new rom (the last one all the regs said was great is buggy as hell) and yes a rom chart would have saved a lot of time. Like you I have a life.
Forum a dictionary meaning
A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas
Did not the original message fall into this meaning.
By its very nature the posting of Roms is trying to compete with other roms.
So a thread that simply rates roms would be a good idea and give constructive comment and possibily the sort of feedback the rom builders are looking for and why they do what they do.
It would also help those that want to extend their experience, and not get frighten away by high minded comment.
Thats All
I suggest thread starter to just see the benchmarking of Kaiser ROM's done by one of Our friends out there in the kaiser forum. I will provide link whenever I get it but its better for now to search yourself for it. Go by facts & not by values. Hope it will help you. Good luck. I think we should move forward to help cookers in making ROM better.
Sorry but I could able to find only these ones.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369796
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358788
Hope that is going to help the posters in some way. Cheers my friends. Forum doesn't mean only discussions it means to work as a team to make great things out of our dumbo brains. Cheers & happy new year.
Br.
Saksham Katyal
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vikasraj dont worry mate this board is chock full of regulars who belive that anyone who comes here should read every single post, of course it is perfectly reasonable to ask for a quick list of popular roms but that would be far too easy and lets face it give the sad regulars nothing much to read, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the regular users here apart from the flashing info, they really don't add much apart from stupid pointless 'read the board' comments, I am here to find a new rom (the last one all the regs said was great is buggy as hell) and yes a rom chart would have saved a lot of time. Like you I have a life.
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lol, funny stuff
msd24200 said:
lol, funny stuff
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I see that editing came into play...LOL. I read the original.
SHAMELESS Self Promotion below.....
for all of you that want a nice speedy, stable rom--come try this one out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463284
theblueeyz said:
It's really little more than a question of convenience. By having a single list of all the available Kaiser ROMs, it makes it easy for me to look at them all and choose one. Such a thread does not need any discussion to be allowed, it's just a source of information. If people want to discuss a ROM, they can discuss it in the thread that is linked to from the main list.
Does this make sense?
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Yup - it already exists, here.
It doesn't say much about the roms, but it's a fairly comprehensive list.
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Hi, we are currently discussing the pros and cons of such a thread in the "About" forum here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466666
At the moment I am using PDACorner v14. A lot of members post their ROM versions in their signatures.
As I said in the other thread, this sort of discussion is very subjective. I'd recommend you watch the forum and try some of the newer ROM's to get a feel for what you like. That's how I do it
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Why are we doing this again ? I understand that people are (especially it seems the noobs ) incredibly lazy. No one wants to do their homework, no one wants to test drive. no one wants to think. Everyone wants someone else(no matter what their qualifications) to tell them what is the best.
The chefs here do not make these roms for you or me. They make these roms for the challenge and for themselves and then they share them with us. How offensive would it then be , to subject them to a competition .
It would be like going to a Hot Rod or Custom car show and judging people's hours , months or years of artistic and engineering work with a dismissive " that one sucks, not enough cup holders " guess what ? It wasn't built for you, it was shared with you. Your opinions are yours, why should chefs be forced to confront these ( mostly uninfomed opinions ) in a public forum.
Every rom has it's own thread to rate and evaluate the rom, and to try to work out whether it is the rom that is at fault or the user.That is more than enough discussion for the chefs to improve the rom.
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(the last one all the regs said was great is buggy as hell)
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Although getting some people to actually do this .........( with 7 total posts ) one wonders how much effort was put into identifying the source of these " bugs ."
These are the type of comments we want our chefs to be subject to on a concentrated thread ?
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vikasraj dont worry mate this board is chock full of regulars who believe that anyone who comes here should read every single post, of course it is perfectly reasonable to ask for a quick list of popular roms but that would be far too easy and lets face it give the sad regulars nothing much to read
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I got A's in college , because I read and did my homework. Of course many others graduated too by using someone elses notes.
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the regular users here apart from the flashing info, they really don't add much apart from stupid pointless 'read the board' comments
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Translation : It is all about me..me..me.. for free...free.. free.. To all you people who have contributed to this forum for years, if there is nothing that you can give me...me...me..now..now...now for free...free...free... then you all suck and keep your opinions to yourself.
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I have a life.
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And I am not wasting it doing *THIS*
Dave, if you are asking, I vote no, for subjecting our much appreciated chefs. to a beauty contest or prom king type thread for the benefit of the "lazy "
Just my opinion. Thanks for listening
this would be fine topic in the Kaiser generall forum. (alot of the people who hate these types of threads cluttering up the boards like myself dont generally read the generall forum very often I believe)
This isa rom DEVELOPMENT forum. Ie if your not either posting a new rom in development or about the process of cooking and development.....you should not start a new thread here. The Kaiser generall forum is a great place for this type of discussion.
also a good way to get a overall list of the most popular roms would be to sort this forum by how many posts a thread has....click at top. And that will continue to be useful as long as people only post new roms and development related topics in here.
This topic should be moved to the kaiser generall forum and it would be taken much better/ignored by the more senior members/admins
PDACornerUltimate
By: abusalza
Phoenix
By: parleyp
HyperDragon
By: sakajati
AthineOS
By: b16b
eOS
By: -888-
RevROM
By: kareem9nba
-G- ROM's
By: -G-
SeaDragon
By: ansar.ath.gr
If I've missed any please let me know. These are NOT the only ROM's nor are they the "best" ROM's for the Kaiser just a list of the ROM's that seam to be the most popular.
Why did you post this?
Does it's based on number of post or viewers who's came to related ROM threads? Why don't we just do polling or something? But i guess member here rarely used only one ROM, it's keep changing
is this really necessary?
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is this really necessary?
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i feel it is just like adding a new thread with no benefits n discussions...
I think it is an against rule.. so MOD to take the call on this!
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i feel it is just like adding a new thread with no benefits n discussions...
I think it is an against rule.. so MOD to take the call on this!
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Why did you post this?
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What is the big deal? ......What , is he taking much needed space away from all the new 6.5 roms coming out ? Look around, things are kind of slow around here with links being taken down, chefs canceling their new 6.5 releases
This is not a "what is best thread," it merely consolidates all the chefs in one area,.........If it is tagged right, now all a noob has to do is come to rom development, type " popular roms " into search and he will come right to this page, to link and compare. No harm, could be helpful.
Don't forget ansar's roms, get the link in my signature.
Make this sticky!
Maybe add older but good ROMS like dutty's, Laurentis, etc!
I didn't expect to be flamed for making a post that would help me. If it helps me then I'm sure it would help others here on the forums.
I'm not claiming these are the best ROM's, What I did was sort the forum by number of posts and then started listing, I skipped over the threads that was old but apparently some of those ROM's are still used so I'll include those too.
Fingerlickin said:
I didn't expect to be flamed for making a post that would help me. If it helps me then I'm sure it would help others here on the forums.
I'm not claiming these are the best ROM's, What I did was sort the forum by number of posts and then started listing, I skipped over the threads that was old but apparently some of those ROM's are still used so I'll include those too.
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your not really being flamed its just that this is rom development forum and your thread has nothing to do with that,or with even aiding in rom dev. maybe you should put this in the kaiser-general forum?
The only problem is I don't think noobs are going to use the search function in the general forum to find a popular rom list. They are going to come here, to rom dev. Yes they could just go up and down the forum threads looking at post totals for different roms, but we all know clueles noobs.
I would love for them to be able to input "popular roms " into the search function and have them be directed to a list. Or as we get the inevitalbe " what is the best rom " question, which gets asked here, more than in the Kaiser general forum " here is the list of popular roms ", " follow the links and test and compare for yourself "
Could be helpful.
Once upon a time, XDA made this thing, it was grand, it's called THE WIKI.
Where there is already an extensive ROM list.
Instead of making a new thread, update the WIKI.
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Once upon a time, XDA made this thing, it was grand, it's called THE WIKI.
Where there is already an extensive ROM list.
Instead of making a new thread, update the WIKI.
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Once upon a time, XDA made this thing, it was grand, it's called THE WIKI.
Where there is already an extensive ROM list.
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And that is why the thread is not called " every rom ever written for the Kaiser " because that is in the wiki. Lets face it when the noobs come to this Kaiser forum, they are looking for the latest and the greatest, the stuff all the other kids are using.
They are not looking or willing to to filter through yesterdays news just to get the newest stuff. Don't get me wrong, Leo, Dutty, NATF, and all are legends and always will be, but they have moved on. In some cases the chefs are not even supporting their old threads that are still listed in the wiki.
We hear enough complaints as it is about all the old info a noob has to go through to get the " new stuff ".
This is kind of a thanks and props to the guys that have stayed behind and still support us, and a thanks to the ( Josh, KaiserII101, ngy ) new chefs stepping up, by moving them to the top of the " every rom available for the Kaiser" list .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=492757
Go here follow the links to the latest and the greatest and decide for yourself. Easy Answer ?
Not meaning to be a jerk with so many posts, I'm just sayin............
I've got to admit that this thread helped me find a good naked ROM, namely AthineOS. I probably would have found it in the end but who knows how long that would have taken?
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Lets face it when the noobs come to this Kaiser forum, they are looking for the latest and the greatest, the stuff all the other kids are using.
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and that stuff 9 times out of 10 is on the 1st or 2nd page of the kaiser forum, hence threads like these AREN'T needed.
edit: not to mention that this is the "Kaiser Rom Development forum" not a come and get it/heres your menu forum, these "kids" need to be searching/learning before they EVER think about flashing a rom. or all you get is theses spoon fed "kids" not reading/searching, bricking their phones more than they do now!!!
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I've been lurking XDA for quite some time, have read countless threads, and flashed numerous ROMs. I'm no chef/expert, but I'm not a n00b either. My visits to XDA are far from regular and usually involve either obtaining a new ROM or checking on the status of Android on the Kaiser. I greatly appreciate the work of everyone who cooks ROMs, administrates the forum/wiki, or just generally puts in time to help the community, and try to stay out of the way unless I have a good question or something useful to add. I use the search function and the wiki religiously. In short, I'm probably a good example of the typical XDA visitor. Here's my opinion:
@Fingerlickin: Thank you. The effort is appreciated, but I don't imagine you'll want to come back and update this every few months. If you make a new wiki page or add the popularity info to the existing ROM list, other people can update it in future. Then, you could just edit your post and make it a link to the wiki (or have the mods add the link to the FAQ) so that it comes up in forum searches.
@Travito & msd24200: You say that a more extensive list can be found elsewhere and that a post like this doesn't belong in the ROM development forum. With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. Fingerlickin didn't post a list of all ROMS, he posted something of a Top 8 list. It wasn't intended to be comprehensive.
Could he have updated the wiki instead of making a new post? Sure, but (at the time of this post) that page was last updated in January.
Could any given XDA visitor get this information on their own? Yes, but it can be confusing, frustrating, and time consuming. ROM authors and update threads change, and some of the most popular ROMs are no longer maintained.
Should this be somewhere else? I don't believe so. If I'm interested in getting a ROM, I go to where the ROM developers post them. They don't post in Kaiser General, so I don't go there for ROMs. Naturally, I wouldn't expect to find a list of popular ROMs there, either.
Frankly, I think the FAQ actually has too much info, especially since there's a wiki with all of that (and more). As for the wiki, it's not the easiest thing to navigate. For example, a search for "Kaiser" brings up a list of pages, but should I click the HTC_Kaiser link, or the Kaiser link? If I'm looking for info on Kaiser ROMs, do I choose KaiserROMs or Kaiser_ROMs? KaiserROMs directs me to see either Kaiser Cooked Roms or Kaiser Shipped Roms, the latter being a link to the Kaiser_ROMs page.
My point is simply this: Fingerlickin's post lists several of the most popular, and still updated, ROMs. This info is not available on the wiki or in the FAQ, and pertains directly to the ROMs developed and posted on this forum. It might be easier to maintain if it were on the wiki, but it might end up harder to find. It's definitely not redundant or in the wrong forum, and it IS a time saver.
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Exactly all the most up to date things will be within first 2 pages and even if not then surely it's worth putting in the effort to find a ROM that you want and like, by that i mean to do a bit of research read some of the reviews flash it and then probably go somewhere else and flash untill you find the ROM that suits your needs and wishes, blah blah too many threadz with Help\Fastest ROM\Best ROM or just posted in the bloody wrong section.
Blah Blah Blah..............
msd24200 where's that cat when you need him?
DamionFury: I read it all and you have some valib point but time consuming is all part of it your flashing a UK £200ish phone............. Take some time, do some learning..... You don't need to use the search for Kaiser ROMs go through the pages of ROM Development and you can just flip & flip & flip till you find what you want???
I enjoy using my phone when it has a ROM that I like; I don't enjoy spending hours finding that ROM. I have far too many things I'd rather be doing. I spend the time finding the ROM because I believe that it's worth it, but anything that reduces the expenditure is great in my book.
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I've been lurking XDA for quite some time, have read countless threads, and flashed numerous ROMs. I'm no chef/expert, but I'm not a n00b either. My visits to XDA are far from regular and usually involve either obtaining a new ROM or checking on the status of Android on the Kaiser. I greatly appreciate the work of everyone who cooks ROMs, administrates the forum/wiki, or just generally puts in time to help the community, and try to stay out of the way unless I have a good question or something useful to add. I use the search function and the wiki religiously. In short, I'm probably a good example of the typical XDA visitor. Here's my opinion:
@Fingerlickin: Thank you. The effort is appreciated, but I don't imagine you'll want to come back and update this every few months. If you make a new wiki page or add the popularity info to the existing ROM list, other people can update it in future. Then, you could just edit your post and make it a link to the wiki (or have the mods add the link to the FAQ) so that it comes up in forum searches.
@Travito & msd24200: You say that a more extensive list can be found elsewhere and that a post like this doesn't belong in the ROM development forum. With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. Fingerlickin didn't post a list of all ROMS, he posted something of a Top 8 list. It wasn't intended to be comprehensive.
Could he have updated the wiki instead of making a new post? Sure, but (at the time of this post) that page was last updated in January.
Could any given XDA visitor get this information on their own? Yes, but it can be confusing, frustrating, and time consuming. ROM authors and update threads change, and some of the most popular ROMs are no longer maintained.
Should this be somewhere else? I don't believe so. If I'm interested in getting a ROM, I go to where the ROM developers post them. They don't post in Kaiser General, so I don't go there for ROMs. Naturally, I wouldn't expect to find a list of popular ROMs there, either.
Frankly, I think the FAQ actually has too much info, especially since there's a wiki with all of that (and more). As for the wiki, it's not the easiest thing to navigate. For example, a search for "Kaiser" brings up a list of pages, but should I click the HTC_Kaiser link, or the Kaiser link? If I'm looking for info on Kaiser ROMs, do I choose KaiserROMs or Kaiser_ROMs? KaiserROMs directs me to see either Kaiser Cooked Roms or Kaiser Shipped Roms, the latter being a link to the Kaiser_ROMs page.
My point is simply this: Fingerlickin's post lists several of the most popular, and still updated, ROMs. This info is not available on the wiki or in the FAQ, and pertains directly to the ROMs developed and posted on this forum. It might be easier to maintain if it were on the wiki, but it might end up harder to find. It's definitely not redundant or in the wrong forum, and it IS a time saver.
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and again there is no point to be missing the fact is this is a rom development thread not a come and get it and here's the menu thread. THIS HAS BEEN GONE OVER AND OVER AND OVER so many times. the roms that are "hot" will always be on the first couple of pages of the forum because so many use them they don't have time to drop back to page 3. you guys that want to spoon feed should start your own website linking back to the rom threads on here then. and as far as the wiki goes it's all there and ANYONE can update the wiki at anytime.
I sent a pm to one of our mods asking if we can get the sticky threads cleaned up. By this I mean unsticky some of the ones that are outdated and no longer maintained by current users of this device.
Im basing this on my own ideas and this post by FB.
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Solrac, it might be better if you would concentrate your efforts on updating our wiki since some information has already been repeated a few times, particularly the roms list. If you wind up putting them in the wiki then other users can edit it once you decide to not update this thread. I've seen it happen to at least two other threads already which is why team acid have moved some of our instructions to the wiki.
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We have so much stuff stickied in the general sub that is out of date. In the development sub there is a couple threads that are no longer maintained.
My question is do you agree we need some of these threads removed from the list of stickies? Ill have a poll please select agree or disagree. If you want to post a response please do, but lets keep this civil aight?
Eollie, I agree that the stickies are cluttered. We don't even use a lot of them anymore.
I still say that we should move toward using only the wiki for guides to avoid this in the future since we've had a lot of the op's for the stickies leave and then we have oudated stickied threads. With the wiki it doesn't matter who leaves, everyone can still edit the guide and keep it up to date.
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Eollie, I agree that the stickies are cluttered. We don't even use a lot of them anymore.
I still say that we should move toward using only the wiki for guides to avoid this in the future since we've had a lot of the op's for the stickies leave and then we have oudated stickied threads. With the wiki it doesn't matter who leaves, everyone can still edit the guide and keep it up to date.
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I know im new here and all, but I have checked the wiki out and to be honest I think its lacking a little... Like I said in new, and I only say this because in the wiki for ppl that are just rooting there phone the only suggestion is heimdall....well that I disagree with, cuz heimdall isnt the only way...all those one click roots like heimdall and super Didnt work for me either... I did it all through odin...I just think the options should be more that just one... But please understand im not trying to make waves, other than that issue I think it great and very informative...
I also would like to say that the devs and and a lot of members here are a great help here and I know im not alone when I say thank you.
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I know im new here and all, but I have checked the wiki out and to be honest I think its lacking a little... Like I said in new, and I only say this because in the wiki for ppl that are just rooting there phone the only suggestion is heimdall....well that I disagree with, cuz heimdall isnt the only way...all those one click roots like heimdall and super Didnt work for me either... I did it all through odin...I just think the options should be more that just one... But please understand im not trying to make waves, other than that issue I think it great and very informative...
I also would like to say that the devs and and a lot of members here are a great help here and I know im not alone when I say thank you.
Sent from...that shallow place in the back 40
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Looks like it's time for YOU to edit the wiki and add a guide that works for you.
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Eollie, I agree that the stickies are cluttered. We don't even use a lot of them anymore.
I still say that we should move toward using only the wiki for guides to avoid this in the future since we've had a lot of the op's for the stickies leave and then we have oudated stickied threads. With the wiki it doesn't matter who leaves, everyone can still edit the guide and keep it up to date.
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I have thought about making a update guide like the bible thread but every time I start I have never finished. Im not fond of the wiki for some of the reasons twisted spoke about, however it can be useful.
Is there a person that is notified when edits are made? So we can make sure the proper info is put on it? Ive never paid enough attention to that aspect.
There's a history option in the wiki that lets you view the latest edits, and see what exactly go changed. (It's up top in the navigation)
The thing is that the lack of information can be addressed by adding it. Twisted said there were no Odin guides, well we can add them. There's no real reason why we shouldn't be using it. I know everyone wants to start their thread with their guide on how to do things their way, but there has to be an accepted method of doing things. I've written up a few of the guides on the Wiki but then someone else comes along and improves it with a better method that is more up to date. That's how it should be, you don't have to go to MY thread to try and edit it or try to get me to update it. You can just go in and do it yourself.
Fb... I really didnt mean to cause wave bro, but to be honest I dont know which links I used to root my phone... I look tomorrow at my downloads and see which ones I used, but I do know that I tried alot of different ways so it might take me a minute to find it all... But like I said it was informative and im not taking way from the concept of it cuz I think it would be easier for new ppl trying to root there phone... There is just a lot of info out there that isnt in the wiki...
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Fb... I really didnt mean to cause wave bro, but to be honest I dont know which links I used to root my phone... I look tomorrow at my downloads and see which ones I used, but I do know that I tried alot of different ways so it might take me a minute to find it all... But like I said it was informative and im not taking way from the concept of it cuz I think it would be easier for new ppl trying to root there phone... There is just a lot of info out there that isnt in the wiki...
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You're completely missing the point.
Let me make it easier.
If info is not in wiki, put info in wiki.
I agree about the cleanup but Who is to stop the trolls from updating the wiki with bad info I mean someone could of been offended by another user and think I will change the wiki and put harmful material or instructions just to mess up People phones. There should be Some checks and balance of the info that has been updated
Sent from my SGH-T959V using XDA
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I agree about the cleanup but Who is to stop the trolls from updating the wiki with bad info I mean someone could of been offended by another user and think I will change the wiki and put harmful material or instructions just to mess up People phones. There should be Some checks and balance of the info that has been updated
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No one can stop another user/troll from putting bad, offensive, or just plan misinformation out there. The maintenance of the wiki is a community effort. Thus we are all responsible for updating it and cleaning it up.
I do like the idea of checks and balances, though. What we need for that effort are maintainers. On top of the community making updates we could have a few people that collaborate to help keep the wiki clean, up to date, etc. The trick would be getting volunteers for Team Wiki (wicked? Wikid! lol) that can put the time and effort into the moderation of the wiki.
Just my 2ȼ.
Nvm, just checked the wiki and it has either been updated or i was blind before, cuz everything i used is in the wiki...
. I'm glad you see that. If someone updates it and starts screwing with the wiki a moderator can always step in. It's basically like the forums, we can't stop you from posting, but once you've posted something that you shouldn't have, we can remove it. We can do the same on the wiki, it keeps track of the edit history, we can always revert to a good version.
Check out this nice list of ROMs available for our phone. It's the most up to date one (thanks to solrac who just updated the list of custom mtd roms portion)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-T959V/List_of_ROMs
Thanks FB that was what I was wanting to know. I have the same reservations as anonymous and Stephen. Ive seen wikipedia edited and things slipped until somebody caught it.
Ive spoke with TRusselo and if we can come up with a list of the threads that need to be cleaned and unstuck he is willing to look into is. However since he doesnt own the phone he did not want to jump in unstickying threads willy nilly. I had planned on posting earlier today but I spent a good part of my day fixing bicycles so I can take my kiddo bike riding.
Ill be out most of tomorrow but Ill try to post my list sometime and if any of you want to also suggest it would be great. My thinking is we can always link to the threads via the wiki and maybe create a new version of the bible thread and the FAQ thread Mr. Clown created.
If you want to make suggestions please list which sub the thread is in and the thread name no need to link it. The final list will have links when I submit it to TRusselo.
Well I can say once this idea is completed it will be a lot more user friendly...
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General Sub
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122508
Froyo flashing guide not really needed since we are on GB, CM7, and now CM9.
Most of the information in this thread is general rules and mostly common sense.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
This one too has some forum rules and common sense stuff posted. Maybe condense it with the one above.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
This one is a PSA and again something that is part of the main rules.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1195027
This one is very informative but maybe when Juls updates it he can post it on the wiki.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1480418
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This is a old guide that has since been changed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1215748
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Development Sub
Since this thread is very out of date it needs to be unstuck. Most information in this thread has changed and is no longer relevant.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117554
This thread the info is out of date. The second post is useful but the first one is out of date.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
This one if we get official support of RM it will be outdated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305560
All of the above is open for suggestions or even tell me certain threads need to stay as stickies. Im just looking to trim the sticky list down.
I was also thinking each sub could have a thread that has links to the wiki for things. That way even if the person that creates it leaves and never comes back the wiki links will be the same. Then the threads can be linked on the wiki and if a thread is out dated it can be removed from the wiki.
Looks like good suggestions so far.
As far as recreating the bible thread, we can easily do that in the wiki. The roms portion is pretty much set except for roms that haven't been released yet.
The dev stickies are definitely the ones we should get rid of. right now we have 6 stickied threads. They take up a lot of room before getting to the latest content from dev threads.
I agree with creating a bible in the wiki, I was suggesting linking to it in a sticky. I tend to have a hard time expressing my thoughts in few words. I mean you have read some of my posts .
Anybody have any objections to the lists I have above?
Eollie if you want make a stickie of the rom wiki because I always update this wiki
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Anybody have any objections to the lists I have above?
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I have not yet had an opportunity to look through your list. Seems FB read through it and I know I trust his opinion. I will look through it later. Thanks for taking the time to get this going.