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I have seen many messages go by discussing what is the best software for instant messaging. Up until recently, I had been using Agile Messenger. It was quite unstable when I first started using it a couple of years ago, but it is much better now. There is a cost now, which I think is high, but I would be willing to pay. Before buying into Agile though, I felt I should review my other options, and I have run into problems with each. Can anyone either help me get past these problems, or perhaps suggest another solution? Here are the programs I have tried and the problems I have experienced.
Agile Messenger - I have become very happy with the software, but I am not fond of subscriptions. I would much prefer to be able to buy the software outright. I may be able to get over that, but I discovered something else. I like to try the different ROM's that show up on this board and I have noticed that my customer ID in Agile changes with the different ROM's. Does this mean I need to buy a new license each time I change my ROM? I have written email to Agile about this and a couple of other questions and I have never heard back. I am concerned about the lack of support. There are also security questions that have been presented elsewhere on this board about having a middleman handle your connection to the various chat services since the middleman needs to know the username and password to connect.
IM+ - I tried this program, and I like the fact that I can purchase it and be done. I also like that it seems to connect directly to the chat services, thus getting rid of the middleman problem mentioned above. I have been experiencing a problem though where I appear to be online, both from my side, and from the side of my buddies, but messages do not go through. I have also experienced situations where I have successfully sent messages to friends, they replied, but I did not receive the replies. I find this type of unreliability to be intolerable, especially since you can not tell if it is happening. As far as you know, you are sending messages but your friends are not responding when they very well might be. I have tried reinstalling after a hard reset with the same problem.
IMOV - From what I can tell, this is just a XMPP (Jabber, Google..) client. It relies on relays on the Internet to access any other chat system such as AOL, or Yahoo. This introduces the problem with the middleman above, but further, these relays are practically anonymous. At least with Agile, I have some idea (though not a perfect one) who I am entrusting my credentials to. I do not have that with the relays used by XMPP. I guess I could research the available relays and find one I trust, but I am not looking to do that right now.
Verichat - I have not tried this in a while. It is another subscription based system and is a middleman. I guess my thought is that if I am going to pay an ongoing fee AND have a middleman, I would rather have Agile.
Okay, this has gotten to be a long post, but I think it presents my current position. I communicate with users of AOL, Yahoo, Google, and MSN. I can not get all of them to see reason and just all change to IRC or XMPP :-D
I am running this on a Universal (i-Mate Jasjar) with Windows Mobile 5. I am posting in general because I am sure this is a topic that affects many of the XDA phones.
Thanks for any input you can provide.
As far as IRC is concerned, don't forget to check out my IRC-related roundups - I've cross-posted some of the latest ones here in the General forum too.
I have just discovered those. I have given thought to using IRC, but I do not know if I need yet another transport to become dependant on. If I had it all to do over again, I would select IRC and / or XMPP for how open they are and ignore anyone who refused to do the same. (In a perfect world.. )
Octro: Gtalk
There is also Octro which is a Google Chat program that can do chat and VOIP even over a 1x connection (uses the jabber connection).
http://www.octro.com/
It's only for Google right now but the developers have noted that they will add AIM, Y!, MSN, etc later on (it's still in beta).
The VOIP part is really neat. It's not perfect but it is much less resource intensive than Skype and feels more "phone like" when you get an incoming call.
We have an ongoing thread where here at ppcgeeks.com where the developer pops in (they're very good at fixing bugs, adding features, etc.)
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/octro-new-im-client-w-voip-support-1-05-on-1-3-07-t1459.html#12485
The software is free right now but there will be a cost later. For me, this software has the most potential out of all the other programs if only b/c it's being developed now and you the user can help make it better...
Octro looks good..
I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?
Octro adds AIM, ICQ and MSN
mrdata1701b said:
I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?
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Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.
yea im also looking into some other options since i upgraded my rom. they discontinued verichat so unless you have your old license (if you bought it) its not going to work. im using octro now and it seems to be working fine. i tried installing agile but theyre files are all messed up. any more suggestions?
Not Quite sure how aim is incorporated.
How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.
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How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.
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Menu/Option/Accounts/Legacy Accounts
GoogleTalk must be online
or RTFM
Welcome to this forum
There is a new one that does them all (AIM, MSN, GTalk, Yahoo, ICQ, and Jabber) that is currently free and Java based. I quit using IM+ (which I paid for) and am using it exclusively. Currently the beta testing is closed while I think they upgrade their servers, but should open up again shortly I think).
It is supposed to be for the crackberries, but works great on my Dash and K-Jam:
http://www.bbhub.com/2007/01/25/jivetalk-im-beta-available-to-try/
http://blackberryforums.pinstack.com/17577-jivetalk_beta_multi_client_im_application.html
-Mc
malatesta said:
Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.
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Thanks for this. Haven't heard of them yet. Ima give it a try now. If it's works great and isn't subsciption based like Agile, I'm down...
anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA
alfredtv said:
anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA
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You mean Octro? It's working great under WM6 - have been testing it.
I'll publish a big roundup of all these apps in the next 1-2 days - stay tuned
hey anyone know of one that will use http proxy?
See http://forum.xda-developers.com:80/showthread.php?t=294938 for a preview of the article (sorry, it has a typo: Ocrp vs Octro. I'll fix this in the final version.)
I've been using Octro 1.09 on my 8525 on t-mobile. I prefer it to Agile. The voice function works but not very well. Excessive delay and feedback requires use of a headset. I can tether to my laptop and use GTalk and the voice is flawless. I'm hoping they work on the voice feature more. Other than issues with voice Octro is excellent.
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RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07
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RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07
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Then, surely a new version comes really soon.
so nothing that works via http (8080) proxy?
I would like to integrate M$ Office Communicator into a ROM but I am struggling converting the original .cab file into a working package....
I have extracted the contents of the .cab file and created a .rgu and initflashfiles.txt files. The files get installed and it will run but I can't get the Today Screen stuff to display. I know there is a conflict with the 'rtcdll.dll' file since if you have VoIP then it already exists, however I am cooking the rom without VoIP (since it doesn't fully work). I have modified the .rgu to reflect the files are now in \Windows but the Today Screen stuff won't display. I have checked the registry entries and the files are there after the ROM has been installed and they are?
I don't know what else to look for, has anybody got any pointers
I can post the .cab if anyone can help?
Andy
ADB100 said:
I would like to integrate M$ Office Communicator into a ROM but I am struggling converting the original .cab file into a working package....
I have extracted the contents of the .cab file and created a .rgu and initflashfiles.txt files. The files get installed and it will run but I can't get the Today Screen stuff to display. I know there is a conflict with the 'rtcdll.dll' file since if you have VoIP then it already exists, however I am cooking the rom without VoIP (since it doesn't fully work). I have modified the .rgu to reflect the files are now in \Windows but the Today Screen stuff won't display. I have checked the registry entries and the files are there after the ROM has been installed and they are?
I don't know what else to look for, has anybody got any pointers
I can post the .cab if anyone can help?
Andy
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Post the cab and I will take a look.
theloon said:
Post the cab and I will take a look.
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Here you go...
EDIT: error uploading? maybe it's too big (2,766K?) Anyway heres the M$ link:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...5E-5F3B-47D2-955B-B0C1DEAC94D8&displaylang=en
You can extract the .cab file from the .MSI file - I used 'LessMSIerables'
Andy
Any success?
Any success with making a package from this? I had another play around but didn't get anywhere. I think the installation must create some additional files and/or registry changes that doesn't happen when it's installed as a package.
Do any ROMs have this in by default? i.e. not cooked ones but ROMs released by mobile operators or manufacurers? Maybe backward engineer it?
Andy
did u anyways get the communicator to work on ur company network? my company has got vpn and web access to the communcator and i did install it once.. after i put in the server address and signin name and password, it shows loging in and then it throws a stupid error saying please use updated version of communicator. contact system administrator. i downloaded the 2007 version of mobile communicator and beyond it there re no updates.. damn the m$ idiots.. any ideas for a workaround? this same communicator ersion runs on the blackberrys given to seniors by our company
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did u anyways get the communicator to work on ur company network? my company has got vpn and web access to the communcator and i did install it once.. after i put in the server address and signin name and password, it shows loging in and then it throws a stupid error saying please use updated version of communicator. contact system administrator. i downloaded the 2007 version of mobile communicator and beyond it there re no updates.. damn the m$ idiots.. any ideas for a workaround? this same communicator ersion runs on the blackberrys given to seniors by our company
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I did have it working briefly, however I am not privileged enough to have GPRS enabled on my company SIM so I only managed to test it when I temporarily rigged a Wireless AP up in the office. We were only trialing OCS at the time, however I think we now have it installed but isn't fully rolled out yet.
I spend very little time actually in the office so unless I can be bothered setting up a few VM machines with Exchange & OCS on I am unlikely to test it further...
I never managed to get it into an OEM package either, if anyone has one or wants to build one that would be good....
The latest version seems to be Office Communicator Mobile 2007 (2.0.387.0) from September 2007 and it says it is compatible with OCS 2007:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...24-F216-4887-92B0-F37D942E26E0&displaylang=en
This is a Windows Mobile 5/6 version and there is a (Smart)Phone version as well.
Cheers
Andy
Update OCS
I know this is old but you need to disable the client version filter on OCS. If you're connecting over the internet, then you need to do this on your Access Edge server (under Application properties). Just lower the version to 2.0.1.0 and you should be good to go. M$ hasn't released a later version even as of this post (unless you know something I don't). I asked them about it and they know (sounds like a new version is being worked out).
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I know this is old but you need to disable the client version filter on OCS. If you're connecting over the internet, then you need to do this on your Access Edge server (under Application properties). Just lower the version to 2.0.1.0 and you should be good to go. M$ hasn't released a later version even as of this post (unless you know something I don't). I asked them about it and they know (sounds like a new version is being worked out).
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I have no idea where you are going with that answer? This post was originally about making an OEM package of Office Communicator Mobile 2007 for use in a ROM kitchen.....
I have OCM 2007 working fine with our OCS 2007 Server either in the Office on the private network or via the Internet (GPRS or public WiFi). What I want to do is include OCM in my ROM so I don't have to manually install it each time I flash a new ROM. It looks like I am missing one final registry entry but I still haven't found it.
Cheers
Andy
With certain Exchange 2007 configurations WM 6.1 experiences an error with sending messages. Basically when an email is sent the Activesync window locks up on a white screen and the message will stay in the outbox getting resent every time the phone syncs. The only way to stop the message from being resent is to go to the outbox and manually delete the message.
MS is releasing a patch (not until Nov/Dec though) and is allowing people to request it now. I work for a large company though that will not install the patch until it has been extensively tested, and who may wonder why I reflashed my phone anyway
I am currently using Kumaras ROM and am very happy with it, and the issue is not ROM specific at all (happened for me on Dutty's and Laurentius's ROMS as well).
This issue however is forcing me to go back to 6.0, but I would love to stay with the 6.1 ROMs that are being released.
So my question is - does anyone know of any alternative to Activesync that connects with exchange, or any way to downgrade Activesync that would correct this?
https://forums.microsoft.com/Window...PageIndex=2&SiteID=65&PageID=2&PostID=3740552
I don't think there will be any client side fix, but thought I would ask before I start researching the 6.0 ROMs.
Oh and feel free to recommend a 6.0 ROM! It's been ahwile so I can't remember - I think Alex's were my favorites but it has been many flashes since I tried one.
Cheers,
Matt
bumping once to see if anyone has anything to say on this....
Cheers
well technically, a chef cannot just drop in AS from WM6.0 into a WM6.1 ROM.
activesync is not its own package. parts of it are in OS and Shell. replacing OS and Shell with WM6.0 components would kind of defeat the purpose.
Has anyone found a client side fix for this other than dowgrading to a 6.0 ROM.
If you have been using the live mesh technical preview, the mobile client for wm6 is now available. Just sign in as normal and then add device.
I'm still seeing "Coming soon for mobile" The limited Mac tech preview shows up, though.
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I'm still seeing "Coming soon for mobile" The limited Mac tech preview shows up, though.
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I signed in and out of live mesh and it appeared.
Must not have replicated to the servers I hit yet. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks for the heads-up!
I really like live mesh, (for me at least), it just works out of the box.
Hi !
Is there someone that can post the cab ?
Thanks !
Whatever !
I found it :
http://m.mesh.com/install/wm6/LiveMesh.cab
But it doesn't connect to the mesh : "only available to a limited number of users"
Arrgh this is annoying, Ive been using Mesh for a while and now its comming up with for U.S only wtf?
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Arrgh this is annoying, Ive been using Mesh for a while and now its comming up with for U.S only wtf?
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It says US and UK on the Live Mesh blog. I am however having trouble at the point where it's trying to add the device, possibly because I'm on GPRS at the moment and it might be timing out, I guess.
SQL CE error
When I try to install I get this error message....
"Live Mesh was unable to find a suitable version of SQL CE on this device. Unable to install Live Mesh."
I've tried to install SQL, i downloaded it from microsoft directly, and its listed as "SQLServerCompact 3.5 Core" under Remove Programs....
Any ideas??? I really want to use this....
Yes, it's only for US and UK
I installed the mesh cab, and using an "US" account (a french one, but with my country changed to US ) it WORKS ! And works well. I have now a "cabstore" synced with my own server, live mesh and my TyTN II.
Great service !
Got it last night, works great with my XV6800.
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When I try to install I get this error message....
"Live Mesh was unable to find a suitable version of SQL CE on this device. Unable to install Live Mesh."
I've tried to install SQL, i downloaded it from microsoft directly, and its listed as "SQLServerCompact 3.5 Core" under Remove Programs....
Any ideas??? I really want to use this....
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I've got this exact same problem. I posted over on the Microsoft Mesh forum and am waiting for a conclusive answer. It's been passed over to the Mobile Dev team apparently.
http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en/LiveMesh/thread/8e80d590-9c88-4522-bdab-3d23bea718c0
I wonder if it's got anything to do with cooked roms? I'm running CRC WM 6.1 v13.0 on my Hermes.
--Update--
Apparently there is an issue with cooked ROMs as they don't all include SQL. Installing SQL seperately will not help unless you use a version lower the 3.5 but even that has not been proven yet.
I'm going to try and find an older version of SQL and give it a bash.
Further information here:
http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/LiveMeshMobile/thread/b8a6da09-c53a-4168-91bf-f476d2a1876f
Firstly I am in the UK Ive downloaded the updated cab and now everytime I run it it gets past verifying user and then gets stuck on Getting mobile phone identifier and then fails
SQL CE Issue has been identified and resolved
The client needs SQL CE 3.1 installed, and does not work with SQL CE 3.5 installed.
Read and follow information in forum:
http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/LiveMeshMobile/thread/b8a6da09-c53a-4168-91bf-f476d2a1876f/
All working well after applying Jef K's fix over on the Mesh Forum.
Problem now is that the MEsh Client can't acquire my device ID to register the phone onto my mesh.
Issue being delt with over at http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/LiveMeshMobile/thread/c7ce844c-a4e3-4be4-838d-1ebdca5986e7
I downloaded the cab but says that I cannot do it because only a limited number of users can right now. How sad...
Does remote desktop work like the desktop version?
courtlandre said:
Does remote desktop work like the desktop version?
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No
You cannot remote desktop to the phone (shame)
Limited Users
Limited Users, anyone else got the same problem?
cheeers Tom
I use mesh for a back up right now and it works great for my home computers. Some things that bugged me are:
No remote desktop.
It will only sync your remote directories to the main memory. I tried to sync my work folder and it didn't place it in the storage card.
It launches external applications to view the mesh folders (Pocket IE) and the file explorer to view local folders.
All in all, a nice first attempt. Build in remote desktop and I would PAY for a service like this!
@Networkguy: it's still the first beta... keep waiting
Unfortunately i can't find a today plugin. This is sad. Anyone has an idea?
Greetings:
I have searched high and low on many forums and boards for more info on this and not found much so here goes;
I use my WP7 phone for work (I have the HTC Trophy and am on Verizon). I am connected to an exchange server and everything works great EXCEPT email replies; the original email text is NOT included and needs to be especially for work. Reviewing other threads across the web it seems this is normally enabled.
I checked with VZW second tier support and supposedly this feature is turned off on the Trophy. Fine, so I dug around, found an obscure WM6.5 reference to a registry key, poked around my NoDo registry and by trial and error was able to enable it by adding this;
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings
Value Name – IncludeOriginal
Value Type – Integer
Value Data – 1
Works great. Now, I am a registered dev and went to upgrade to Mango 7712and did everything possible I could think of (and yes, I know the provxml methods and able to edit my reg in Mango) but I can not get this back no matter where or what reg edit. I also came across someone else on T-Mobile that had this feature enabled on NoDo and went to the Mango RTM and now it does not work.
So, did Mango break this completely? Anyone looked at this on Mango or have any idea what reg key needs to be hacked on Mango?
P.S. This thread might be better in the dev/hack board but I am a Noob.
Digging around some more and need feedback; does the provxml reg edit for Mango on the VZW CDMA Trophy 7 work under any circumstances? It appears it is but it may also be keeping the provxml edits I make at the mid-step point in the Mango process (applied at the 7403 rev before proceeding to 7712). I make the provxml edits in Nodo using the older HTC Connection Setup (new rev does not work as described somewhere else). I then use it again at the 7403 step but have to switch to the new rev on 7712 (old no longer runs). Once I run the new rev HTC connection in Mango I can launch TouchXplorer and am unlocked. I can do all the same provxml processes (email new CustClear.provxml, copy, move, etc) but I am not positive edits are being made. But if my previous edits are kept (which all appear to be) why does my IncludeOriginal key not carry over?
Another note; it appears the main location in NoDo for this hack was HKLM (found using Reg Editor) and not in the HKCU like WM6. Looking at Mango registry dumps this is now in HKCU; is there more restrictive access to HKCU on the CDMA Mango or any version of WP7? I added a HKCU hack to the provxml at all steps just to have it there but did no good.
This brings up a good question - can you edit HKCU the same way as HKLM? I also see the key location I am after moved from Default.hv to User.hv when going from NoDo to Mango; does the provxml work on the whole registry or just the Default hive?
P.S. I have built a process to even get to where I can have TouchXplorer run on the CDMA device from a lot of other threads in this forum and greatly appreciate having everyone's knowledge to use. Thanks!
I am going to add this to the Dev and Hack board.
Odd.. Mine does reply w original text since 7004..
Sent from my LG Optimus 7
I'm having the very same issue. Am using my Dell Venue Pro to connect to my work email, via an Exchange server.
Problem exists in Windows Phone 7, but also in Mango Beta 2. The emai threads show up on my phone when I'm typing a reply, but the recipients don't see them, which often leaves them not knowing what my reply emails are aout.
For now, I'm working around the issue by forwarding emails back tot hem and comenting in the top section.
Would greatly appreciate any help that could be offered to resolve this.
I'm having exactly the exact same problem. It begun with the installation of Mango beta 1. Today I got the official Mango 7720 and the problem is still there. I'm connecting to an Exchange 2003 SP2 infrastructure. I've deleted my account on the phone and create it back and the issue is still there.
Have someone found a solution for this one?
No news on getting this to work (and I have tried, trust me!)...eraffone even mentioned to have this issue. This is not good and I even sent a request to "the phone" at MS about this and got no answer to as why (he did say he would look into it but that was many weeks ago; I have pinged him twice since with nothing).
I am curious to see what MS puts on their compatibility page for comparing WP7 versions with EAS versions and what is and is not supported (but I am guessing this one is a bug or an oversight).
Anyone on the forums having better luck with this using EAS 2007 or higher? This pisses me off and I am NOT upgrading (and down the road who knows what I will end up doing)
WP7 & Exchange 2003
I will also send a request to the "The Phone" with the issue maybe the more noise we make the better chance we have of getting a fix.
I was really banking on that official 7.5 (mango) release would fix this issue. We can't be the only ones who have Exchange 2003 on there corporate networks.
If anyone gets any new information please share it with us.
Thanks
Eric
GO VOTE ON WP7 - this issue is there!!!!
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...-2003-email-reply-issue?ref=comments#comments
Same problem here Started with Mango Beta... My customers are getting confused when they reply to an email several time and I respond with a yes or no they have no idea what I am responding to.
This is a severe deal breaker for me, enough to make me switch back to Android. I have to be able to reply to e-mails without breaking the entire chain or I might as well just get another device.
Everyone vote up the WinPhone Feature Suggestion here:
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...fix-exchange-2003-email-reply-issue?ref=title
And the issues on the Windows Phone answers board here:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...l-issues/6d00949e-75ef-4364-af84-509faa7cee3e
Then tweet @WinPhoneSupport and the rest of the Windows Phone team. Our voice must be heard!
Thanks!!!
Odd, we have exchange 2010, i have a surround with Mango on it... works fine. Are you using the official released mango? I never had to do any edits. 3 others at work with trophies have no issue either.
Yea, that is odd because mine has done it sine 7004 too.... using LG Quantum - updated to 7720 - and it still does it.
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Odd, we have exchange 2010, i have a surround with Mango on it... works fine. Are you using the official released mango? I never had to do any edits. 3 others at work with trophies have no issue either.
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I don't know what version of exchange my company is using right now (they are a big enterprise shop) but I'm almost positive it didn't used to do this. They are however migrating to Exchange 2010 so maybe it will go away for me. This is still a huge issue though.
ROCOAFZ said:
Odd, we have exchange 2010, i have a surround with Mango on it... works fine. Are you using the official released mango? I never had to do any edits. 3 others at work with trophies have no issue either.
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Yeah official Mango its only any issue with Exchange 2003. 07/2010 are fine.
Houston, we have a solution;
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phon...40-coming-to-fix-exchange-server-2003-issues/