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[Q] Does Raphael have the same GPS lag as Diamond?

Hi guys,
I think the subject says it all...
I have a Diamond which suffers from serious GPS lag (not fix!). This means that when I'm driving, my car is always up to 50m ahead of what TomTom or IGO tells me that I am...
I'm thinking about changing my device as nobody seems to know the cause of this...
So, I wonder if Rapheal has the same issue or not...
HastaSSSS

Here's what i tested for you on the way to work...
Using TomTom6 (6.032), driving at 30mph, using the tip if the blue arrow as my position (same as i always used on TytnII) i would say my car was no more than 5m behind were i should be. No issue going down the right road or turn.

Same situation as johnk1973. No 50 meters lag, but aprox. 5 meters.

Same problem here on Raphael, TT7 is 50 meters behind. Will test it tonight if it also occurs with TT6.

Same here with tt7 and igo8....

Now this is going to get complicated....
I had Diamond before and NEVER experienced GPS lag.
I tried almost every official and cooked ROM and had no problems with GPS.
Recently I switched to Raphael....
And guess what... GPS lag !
I used my Diamond and Raphael in identical conditions, with the same app (iGO 8).
I'll try to test it more.
I'll post if I find anything useful to you.
Cheers,

Sh*t...that means Raphael is a "no go" for me...
Unless we solve the problem...whatever it might be...
Please keep on posting your findings about this issue...I like very much Diamond and Diamond Pro....but I'm not willing to have a device without 100% functionality...
HastaSSSS

I have a Touch Pro with iGo8 installed. I realised this "50m lag" on my business trip this Monday but I thought it was due to the speed of the car (I was driving very fast for the most of the time). Now I see the problem might be a little more complicated.
On the other hand the 50m is not so bad - I never had a wrong turn, the acoustic signalization of iGo8 is very good. Nevertheless, I would be glad if this could be fixed...
And another thing - I'm not sure if you are aware of the charging problem while using GPS. My Touch Pro actually stopped charging because of overheating and was running only on the battery. So be aware of this fact too.
But this is a different issue, I'm sure there is a thread for this.

I dont have the problem with TT6.

I second this issue, both with TT7 and IGO8 (haven't tried it with another one yet)

Guys I had GPS lag on TT7 when I fist used it (Only tried it for 5min) it was awful. Mainly everytime I turned a corner whilst driving.
Then I did the following changes:
\start\settings\system\external GPS -> Set GPS Program port COM4; Hardware NONE; Access Manage GPS automatically.
Hit ok, wait 10 secs, switch off the device and then soft reset.
Now go to TT7 change the GPS prefences, to use bluetooth device and selected COM4.
No my GPS is perfect now, no problems at all. Have tried it with two different ROMs and no problems.
I have TT7 installed on the main memory and the maps on an Sandisk 8GB Class 4 SDHC card.
Radio ROM is 1.02.25.19 if that helps? and AGPS is turned on a up-to-date.
BTW it was exactly the same when using google maps.

Did you also try it by just setting tomtom gps to bluetooth? I'll give that a shot anyway before going into the register... tnx for the tip

Please keep in mind that you'll get an update of your past position only once per second. This means: The faster your velocity the more inexact the position will be, because the distance you'll pass in this second becomes longer and longer:
@30kmph: ~8m
@50kmph: ~14m
@80kmph: ~22m
@100kmph: ~27m
@130kmph: ~36m
Additionally there is the inaccuracy which comes with GPS: In good times you may have ~10m divergence on average. But with weaker signal (which one may have driving in a city) it will become even more. So keep in mind that GPS will tell you, where you've been one second ago (plus the divergence).
By the time I get my Diamond Pro, I'll collate this at the same time with my X500, which has a build in Sirf3 receiver.

I am having a slightly different issue with my TP using iGuidance 4. Although the unit aquires a signal faster than any other device I have used in the past, it seems to lag or freeze as I drive. It will not update the time, speed or position unless I press a button or something on the screen. There is another thread on XDA (I think in the Diamond or Kaiser sections) that claims to have solved this issue, but the fix doesn't work on my Touch Pro (in fact it completely freezes my iGuidance requiring a soft reset).

Hi,
I'm using Ndrive and TomTom 7.
on NDrive I don't have any problem, it's fast.
on TomTom is slow..
I thing the problem is on TomTom using this GPS of Raphael.

WizP said:
Guys I had GPS lag on TT7 when I fist used it (Only tried it for 5min) it was awful. Mainly everytime I turned a corner whilst driving.
Then I did the following changes:
\start\settings\system\external GPS -> Set GPS Program port COM4; Hardware NONE; Access Manage GPS automatically.
Hit ok, wait 10 secs, switch off the device and then soft reset.
Now go to TT7 change the GPS prefences, to use bluetooth device and selected COM4.
No my GPS is perfect now, no problems at all. Have tried it with two different ROMs and no problems.
I have TT7 installed on the main memory and the maps on an Sandisk 8GB Class 4 SDHC card.
Radio ROM is 1.02.25.19 if that helps? and AGPS is turned on a up-to-date.
BTW it was exactly the same when using google maps.
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these settings are the settings that are preset. Hence nothing changed. the lag on the diamond is bad but this is awful.

WizP said:
Guys I had GPS lag on TT7 when I fist used it (Only tried it for 5min) it was awful. Mainly everytime I turned a corner whilst driving.
Then I did the following changes:
\start\settings\system\external GPS -> Set GPS Program port COM4; Hardware NONE; Access Manage GPS automatically.
Hit ok, wait 10 secs, switch off the device and then soft reset.
Now go to TT7 change the GPS prefences, to use bluetooth device and selected COM4.
No my GPS is perfect now, no problems at all. Have tried it with two different ROMs and no problems.
I have TT7 installed on the main memory and the maps on an Sandisk 8GB Class 4 SDHC card.
Radio ROM is 1.02.25.19 if that helps? and AGPS is turned on a up-to-date.
BTW it was exactly the same when using google maps.
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these settings are the settings that are preset. Hence nothing changed. the lag on the diamond is bad but this is awful.

Using Igo8 very intensively with my TP, no lag at all. Compared it this morning with my VW passat stock nav system, and again, i notice no lag.

I have the settings in the posts above, and have very little lag. I am using QuickGPS instead of AGPS, but all else is the same. My main probklem is how long it takes to get a lock (much longer than on my old Kaiser), but since installing DCS's ROM and doing a hard reset immediately after that does seem to have improved - I often get a lock from cold within a minute now..
Rowan

I believe the reason that some people are getting horrible GPS lag while others get nothing has to do with the Radio ROM versions that came installed with the device. Most custom ROMS don't update the Radio ROM. It's 12am and I'm posting this from my TP, so I'll just tell you that the Radio thread is stickied in the Raphael ROM dev forum.
EDIT: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566

IGO 8 - GPS Troubleshooting

Hi everybody. Has anybody the same problem with IGO8 and GPs. When The GPS is off I can use the software for map browsing, route calculating etc.. At the moment GPS is connected to satelites the application shuts down without any message warning.
Do you have any ideas how to fix this problem.
I have also tested TomTom, Google navigator, GPS tuner and other navi soft and all of them work fine.
Thany x for help.
matus

no problem here, i can use igo 8 to navigate fine with gps

Dear Matelko. Your software and whole system seems to be veeery stupid and the problem can be maybe OS related. As I know,some of your apps are working strange,but my not,even we have the same packages used. Just share iGo8 with me and we will test it this weekend(maybe) if we will have enough time and a bit less of work around the cottage or with cars.
Btw,welcome to this discussion Mathew. You need to watch it all and you will get too much infos about Raphael.

matelko said:
Hi everybody. Has anybody the same problem with IGO8 and GPs. When The GPS is off I can use the software for map browsing, route calculating etc.. At the moment GPS is connected to satelites the application shuts down without any message warning.
Do you have any ideas how to fix this problem.
I have also tested TomTom, Google navigator, GPS tuner and other navi soft and all of them work fine.
Thany x for help.
matus
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1. Update to the latest version of iGO8.
2. Disable Assisted GPS (it is off by default) using Advanced Config 3.2 found on this forum.
Works fine for me, only a little lag.

That lag I know,but I can live with it. My physicall position is 50metres before the position that shows TomTom. Btw.TomTom is working fine for me without aGPS. With aGPS I had no reliable fix available. I like TT7,because of the maps coverage in comparison with iGo. I said goodbye to iGo at all.

TomTom Home with TomTom 7

Ok, so I KNOW I'm probably opening myself up here for some flaming, but at this point willing to take a chance... I've seen it somewhere, but no amount of searching is turning the answer up for me again. I have a Touch Pro and need to get TomTom Home to connect to my device, but it will not do so. I'd like to do this so that I can get some maps. I have the application installed in ProgramFiles\Navigator which is where, in my understanding, it should be. Any tips?

Its not that you'll get the GPS straight on, specially while sitting at a place..
The way i got it is via setting the GPS as Internal-GPS in TomTom and drove for a while..
I can tell you that it works as i was also getting suspicious that its broken or something but however it lags a little bit.. Once the satellites are found then there is no issue using TomTom as a pedestrian..
I still couldn't find why it works sometimes and why it doesn't..

fawaad said:
Its not that you'll get the GPS straight on, specially while sitting at a place..
The way i got it is via setting the GPS as Internal-GPS in TomTom and drove for a while..
I can tell you that it works as i was also getting suspicious that its broken or something but however it lags a little bit.. Once the satellites are found then there is no issue using TomTom as a pedestrian..
I still couldn't find why it works sometimes and why it doesn't..
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Haha, no no, I know of the lag. I'm speaking of the TomTom Home program for my PC. I'd like to be able to connect the device to my PC and install new maps, use mapshare, etc. But since you mention it, hopefully someone comes up with a real solution for the lag problem on the device.

By the way, I am speaking of TomTom Home 2... I can connect to the other just fine but it doesn't really help me.

anyone? I know I've seen it somewhere. A link would even be appreciated!

There is no way to get tomtom 7 USA maps straight foward so far. May be after at&t Fuze launch?
The solution now is log in to your tomtom home acount and choose tomtom 720 as your device. Buy the maps, save them into you PC then manually copy to your SD card. Install tomtom cab is floating around in this forum, then re-connect to tomtom home to download extra voices and maps corrections.

Right, I have all that so far. My problem is TomTom Home doesn't recognize my device at all. It just keeps the 3 step menu up that basically says "connect your device".

same problem too

ATT Fuze GPS hanging problem

Hi all,
I just got the Fuze and am having some strange problems with it's GPS. I am able to get a lock. However, the GPS data stream appears to be 'hanging' randomly.
I mean, after I get a lock, it would stream NMEA data for a few seconds, and then just randomly stops. I use the program VisualGPSCE (http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/default.htm) to see how many satellites I am picking up. This program has consistently worked on the iMate 8502, Epix, and my iPAQ 910. So I don't think it's a software problem. I am also experiencing the same problem with my GPS software, namely Garmin XT and OCN8. After a while. the program would announce that it has lost GPS lock.
Anyone experiencing this, and should I exchange it? Thanks for your feedback. Other than that, I was surprised at how much I like the device.

sooby77 said:
Hi all,
I just got the Fuze and am having some strange problems with it's GPS. I am able to get a lock. However, the GPS data stream appears to be 'hanging' randomly.
I mean, after I get a lock, it would stream NMEA data for a few seconds, and then just randomly stops. I use the program VisualGPSCE (http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/default.htm) to see how many satellites I am picking up. This program has consistently worked on the iMate 8502, Epix, and my iPAQ 910. So I don't think it's a software problem. I am also experiencing the same problem with my GPS software, namely Garmin XT and OCN8. After a while. the program would announce that it has lost GPS lock.
Anyone experiencing this, and should I exchange it? Thanks for your feedback. Other than that, I was surprised at how much I like the device.
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Having the same issue
Out of the box it was fine with Tomtom7 but since I sync'd up exchange, added a BT headset etc I am getting the same problem.
It does a toggle every 4 or 5 secs between GPS lock and no signal
Know it's not a TT issue since once it started this I sync'd my BT GPS puck and it's rock solid

Just saw that this GPS problem is a known issue with the Raphael on the various threads at xda-dev. It appears that a soft-reset seems to fix the problem, but will return later. Soft-resetting each time to use the GPS is an unacceptable solution.

Same problem with iGuidance 4.0. I would get a fix then the GPS signal will go away for a second or 2 and then comes back. This continues to happen in a 10 second interval.
I have also installed Google map on my phone and it works flawlessly.
Soooooo annoying.

Try some of these methods. I haven't tried them yet but will try as soon as i get a chance which would be tomorrow.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439002

I have the same problem has anyone found a fix for this or something that works then always soft reset? This is so frustrating!

try a diff ROM. Stock Rom sucks!

Garmin Mobile XT, Ver. 5.00.20w (landscape mode)

Is there anyway to get Garmin Mobile XT to work in landscape?
THX
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Hi pedro! Is this version of garmin working properly in your td2 ?
Im having screen freeze problems while moving with or without destination and even with a simulated route. The app still works, if I zoom in or out, it starts moving again, and while freezed I can si my actual speed too.
Also noticed a 40 meters lag to my actual position.
What is your experience ?
Thanks.

Garmin is superslow
nkcc said:
Hi pedro! Is this version of garmin working properly in your td2 ?
Im having screen freeze problems while moving with or without destination and even with a simulated route. The app still works, if I zoom in or out, it starts moving again, and while freezed I can si my actual speed too.
Also noticed a 40 meters lag to my actual position.
What is your experience ?
Thanks.
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Garmin is working properly on the TD2 but Garmin is superslow. I don't understand how Garmin could be de market leader of the US. maybe their PNA versions works flawlesly, but the mobile version is useless.

yeah, seems so in my TD2, although in my previous N95 I didnt notice this issues.
Also I wonder if im the only one with this problems, because I see so many people saying they are using this app, and nobody is talking about this freezing problem. The few threads I've found are realy old.

Just use g-confiq app and ur problem will solved ... Like mine ... Hehe ...

nkcc said:
Hi pedro! Is this version of garmin working properly in your td2 ?
Im having screen freeze problems while moving with or without destination and even with a simulated route. The app still works, if I zoom in or out, it starts moving again, and while freezed I can si my actual speed too.
Also noticed a 40 meters lag to my actual position.
What is your experience ?
Thanks.
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Hi,
I think it works properly, no freeze, but it quite (very) slow. Im using it for hiking, so I dont mind the slowness so much. But for car navigation its really useless...

Yes, the screen rendering is pretty slow in 3D mode.
But if you change to 2D mode (Plan view), then it's better and there isn't so much lag. I use if for in-car navigation and use 2D (Choose "Track Up") and it's OK though a Garmin PND would work much better. But then you can't use Google local search etc. and it isn't always in your pocket...or store GPS locations of you WinMo Contacts.
I moved from a Polaris (qvga) to Topaz (wvga) and I find Garmin XT renders the active route lines too narrow...there are dlls specific to wvga that got installed but I guess the pixel density wasn't sufficiently considered. Of course you can see a lot more on the Topaz but everything's a lot smaller unless you set a more zoomed in view.
Cheers

Garmin mobile xt 5 on my wife's TD2 works fine. infact it tracks and refreshes better than my Nuvi 200, which is a p.o.s. to begin with. The TD2 is using Asian ROM (coz that's where we are), dunno if that makes a difference.
BTW, thanks for the G-config. not only is it good for Garmin but pretty much any other app out there. Real handy. Cheers.

nkcc said:
yeah, seems so in my TD2, although in my previous N95 I didnt notice this issues.
Also I wonder if im the only one with this problems, because I see so many people saying they are using this app, and nobody is talking about this freezing problem. The few threads I've found are really old.
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I've been using Garmin XT from v4.x in my old P1i (with BT GPS), now I'm using v5.20w in my Fuze and also use v5.20 in my wife's Nokia N85.
What i noticed to far is that rendering 2d&3d in the QVGA Symbian phones works OK, but the VGA WinMo version is (as I read in other posts) not only slow to render but also goes about 40 meters behind the actual position.
Whenever going faster than 80 km/h (in a highway of course) i see Garmin crossing streets 2 o 3 seconds AFTER I actually passed through them.
As a placebo try using it in 2D with minimal map details.
As for the hangups I can tell I do have them every ones in a while, not very often though.

wahack said:
I've been using Garmin XT from v4.x in my old P1i (with BT GPS), now I'm using v5.20w in my Fuze and also use v5.20 in my wife's Nokia N85.
What i noticed to far is that rendering 2d&3d in the QVGA Symbian phones works OK, but the VGA WinMo version is (as I read in other posts) not only slow to render but also goes about 40 meters behind the actual position.
Whenever going faster than 80 km/h (in a highway of course) i see Garmin crossing streets 2 o 3 seconds AFTER I actually passed through them.
As a placebo try using it in 2D with minimal map details.
As for the hangups I can tell I do have them every ones in a while, not very often though.
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I've the same problem as well, which is inconvenient because you need to constantly check the upcoming turns.

Workaround for Garmin XT freezing
Hi I had freezing problems with this latest version of XT running on my O2 Stellar. It drove me nuts so I eventually emailed Garmin. They repied on 4th.Dec.09 saying it is a known bug with the speed camera database, see verbatim extract from Garmin email below ;
GARMIN replied : 'Unfortunately this is an issue that we are currently aware about and in the process of fixing. This problem is down to the Safety Camera proximity warnings around particular areas. For a temporary fix you will need to disable the Safety Cameras on your device you would go in to tools, settings, proximity points then disable the safety cameras.'
I have disabled speed cameras as it says and it has not frozen since.
Lets hope they update the software with a fix
Martin

pedroo said:
Is there anyway to get Garmin Mobile XT to work in landscape?
THX
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how exactly do you get it to work?

@shimmer401
Install the BsBTweaks cab file. Run BsBTweaks. Soft button "Menu" below right. Select "Rotation" from drop down menu. Click soft button "Option" and select "Add Application" from drop down menu. Click "OK" at prompt and it will take you to program list. Choose Garmin Mobile XT icon. After GarminMoXT runs, shake the phone a few times until a prompt saying that GarminMoXT has been added to BsBTweak. Soft-reset and you are done.

I'm Using the ATT Tilt 2 AKA Touch Pro 2. And I barely get any freezing issues. It works great on my phone, a bit slow, but its quick enough for the upcoming turns even in 3D mode. I hope that Garmin still does come out with a fix for the slow visual graphical probs.

problem solved