Is there any way to make WM6 support more than 65K Colors?
Pictures and videos look much better on nokia's which supports about 262K colors.
I don't think so. It's hardware restriction
charlie42 said:
I don't think so. It's hardware restriction
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Well it's a hardware restriction, because WinMo doesn't support more, so the manufacturers don't build devices with better displays (cheaper)!
The hardware does support 264k colors BUT the o.s cant.
there was a petition recently against HTC about hardware acceleration in devices using the msm7200 processors.
HTC had to reply to the petition eventually.
Can we have a petition against MS for this issue, because almost all LCD's now support 262K colors and its just the OS that's limiting this.
hardware specs say its a hardware restriction thouhg? where do you guys see that it supports 262k?
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HTC’s official response to a “drivers issue”
From PhoneMag
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats. HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high resolution video support.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1841785#post1841785
LET THE WAR BEGIN !!
It is interesting to hear that the Tytn II does not use ati imageon. When Tcpmp was loaded onto my hermes it would have a ati imageon option under options > video.
Now on the Kaiser there is no option at all for ati imageon.
Im not the most knowledgeable on this board regarding software, but does tcpmp "search" for the hardware on the device when it is installed?
Martinhdk said:
HTC’s official response to a “drivers issue”
From PhoneMag
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats. HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high resolution video support.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1841785#post1841785
LET THE WAR BEGIN !!
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Now isn't that interesting...
So there is no ATI chip in it? Or is the driver not included??
xmoo said:
So there is no ATI chip in it? Or is the driver not included??
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The chip is there, just no drivers.
Looks like that bounty is about to get higher...
Theres no driver and we wont get any either. "HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high resolution video support. "
I think that it means that maby in the next device. Do they really think I will buy another device when they screw us like that?
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Theres no driver and we wont get any either. "HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high resolution video support. "
I think that it means that maby in the next device. Do they really think I will buy another device when they screw us like that?
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Yes you will. Already you owned two devices.....lol nah..just kidding
thanks htc. i bought your phone, and to show your appreciation you shove some bull**** words down my throat and make me realize that I've been ****ed over with your gimmicky under-powered device.
I agree with the other guy, why should i bother with you arse's again after being burned.
suck a big one htc
jsd2 said:
thanks htc. i bought your phone, and to show your appreciation you shove some bull**** words down my throat and make me realize that I've been ****ed over with your gimmicky under-powered device.
I agree with the other guy, why should i bother with you arse's again after being burned.
suck a big one htc
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You're lucky.
I bought 2 devices with this problem.
i have a question!
Is a rom from any Qualcomm 7200 Device online? Like LG KS20?
staulkor said:
The chip is there, just no drivers.
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Not according to that quote from HTC:
"its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices DOT NOT use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration HARDWARE"
They don't say it's not THERE, they just say they don't USE it.
And, it IS there, it is an integral part of the Qualcomm MSM7200 chip, who licenced the technology from ATI. You can't rip out part of a chip, and neither can HTC
dan13l said:
Not according to that quote from HTC:
"its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices DO NOT use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration HARDWARE"
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OR.... "its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware"
Depends how you read it really. Doesn't say the acceleration hardware isn't there though.
Bottom line is still that HTC are currently doing sod all, and apparently aren't intending to do anything, either.
HTC actually believes that a bunch of morons are buying their products, might as well address this message to those users that want a keypad just to make phone calls.
Can't wait for 3g iPhone now...
CRY HAVOC! And let loose the dogs of war... who's our lawyer for the class action
Any programmers arround
Phase 1: Start the spam
Mailbomb to @htc.com @htc.europe.com adresses with complaints.
Phase 2: DDOS Attack
DDOS All htc sites looking for drivers.
Phase 3: Burry them in paperwork
------*********THIS IS ONLY AN COMMENT NO INTENTIONS MEANT******----------------
i think htc is finally realizing that its users are getting ahead of em
Dibs on the spam bomb!
Ill start right away, along with a brute force on my Cray to shut them down...permanently.
Anybody could extract this camer from Experia for Raphael????!?! Both has same cmos cam....... Thank you VGA on 30fps is sweeet !
what are you asking for?
Perhaps the driver or something? Could the Touch Pro do VGA @ 30FPS?
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Aar0n said:
Perhaps the driver or something? Could the Touch Pro do VGA @ 30FPS?
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i think yes, because x1 has same cmos cam... as touch pro ! .) so we need hack x1 drivers ! .) pls do it someone
The hardware platform used in the XPERIA X1 is dependent on the region. The European / world variant - X1i - makes use of the Qualcomm MSM7200A chipset (made in 2007), while the American variant - X1a - will make use of the Qualcomm MSM7201A chipset (made in 2008). The MSM7201A chipset is theoretically speaking the successor of the MSM7200A chipset, although the differences are almost non-existent.
The reason for the different chipsets is said to be a Broadcom patent infringement by Qualcomm back in June 2007. The suit is said to have something to do with video compression in the MSM7200A chipsets. Because the lawsuit is about an American patent, the MSM7200A chipset is used in all non-American variants, and the newer MSM7201A chipset is only used in the American variants.
As you can probably imagine, the real difference in the chipsets is about video compression. The MSM7201A chipset limits video recordings to QVGA resolution (320 x 240 pixels) and up to 24 frames per second video, whereas the MSM7200A chipset supports VGA resolution (640 x 480 pixels) video recording at up to 30 frames per second.
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More information: http://blog.se-nse.net/reviews/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/ (a complete review)
Touch Pro has Qualcomm MSM7201A crapset, so I'm afraid we have to say bye bye VGA recording..
DSF said:
More information: http://blog.se-nse.net/reviews/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/ (a complete review)
Touch Pro has Qualcomm MSM7201A crapset, so I'm afraid we have to say bye bye VGA recording..
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The Xperia and the TouchPro have the same MSM7201A "crapset" Why would we hav to say bye bye to VGA recording?
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DSF said:
More information: http://blog.se-nse.net/reviews/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/ (a complete review)
Touch Pro has Qualcomm MSM7201A crapset, so I'm afraid we have to say bye bye VGA recording..
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hmmm, ok but for us is 24fps :x touch pro record 15/18fps
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The Xperia and the TouchPro have the same MSM7201A "crapset" Why would we hav to say bye bye to VGA recording?
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Did SE pay to get more features out of the Imageon?
I'm poking through the Xperia ROM right now, already posted some interesting programs from it in the raphael software forum. I'll look for this while i'm in there
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I'm poking through the Xperia ROM right now, already posted some interesting programs from it in the raphael software forum. I'll look for this while i'm in there
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Please do! I have a feeling that the xperia is making use of better developed drivers and basic software than its hardware twin touch pro.
Since youre already playing around with the x1, could u test something out for me? How is the video performance compared to the pro? How does the x1 perform in landscape compared to the pro? Any landscape tearing on the screen when panning really fast?
Afaik, the x1 uses almost the exact same hardware as the tp, but its supposedly can handle better video/camera performance. If this is true, an x1 touchpro hybrid rom would benefit the community.
Edit* Im sorry, you didnt say you had an x1, just the rom...
Wow VGA recording of 30fps at 480x640 would be amazing... is this possible?
i hoooope so
Da_G please keep us updated
AllTheWay said:
The Xperia and the TouchPro have the same MSM7201A "crapset" Why would we hav to say bye bye to VGA recording?
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Have you read the quote from my post?
The XPERIA USA version uses MSM7201A chipset and recording is limited to "QVGA resolution (320 x 240 pixels) and up to 24 frames per second video"
The XPERIA European version uses MSM7200A and recording is limited to "VGA resolution (640 x 480 pixels) at up to 30 frames per second".
MSM7200A != MSM7201A
gobmonster said:
Please do! I have a feeling that the xperia is making use of better developed drivers and basic software than its hardware twin touch pro.
Since youre already playing around with the x1, could u test something out for me? How is the video performance compared to the pro? How does the x1 perform in landscape compared to the pro? Any landscape tearing on the screen when panning really fast?
Afaik, the x1 uses almost the exact same hardware as the tp, but its supposedly can handle better video/camera performance. If this is true, an x1 touchpro hybrid rom would benefit the community.
Edit* Im sorry, you didnt say you had an x1, just the rom...
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I can check this for you tommorow. A friend of mine has X1 and i have the tp.
Even if limitation is in varying chipset version, it might just be a register bit flip is all thats needed.. see here for more info on that http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451646
Either way should know definitively the answer and why at some point soon
im so subscribing to this thread.
Got the Xperia camera running, crashes when you try to save an image (but the image does save to \My Documents\My Pictures\Camera\100XPRIA) and the interface doesn't work properly (seeing as its designed for 800x480)
I can prep a cab if anyone wants to mess with it.
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Got the Xperia camera running, crashes when you try to save an image (but the image does save to \My Documents\My Pictures\Camera\100XPRIA) and the interface doesn't work properly (seeing as its designed for 800x480)
I can prep a cab if anyone wants to mess with it.
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I'm interested in this.
Along with the cab could you post all the other files you gathered and put them in a zip?
Sure, here ya go.
http://rapidshare.com/files/168413167/Xperia-Camera.rar
Tried to upload it here but it wouldn't take it.. both the .cab and OEM are in there.
so what quality will it capture at?? im hoping someone can tweak it and make it work nice with the pro
So pretty much I was reading this article and Google has states that Android 3.0 named Honeycomb isn't coming to smartphones due to smaller screen size but that features will be coming. This is bad news to yet even more fragmentation with Android.
I hope 2D Hardware Accelerated graphics is one of the features to make it's way to smartphones.
Article: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379271,00.asp
What are your guys thoughts on this?
I sincerely hope that honeycomb will be avaiable also on smartphones
[Q] DUAL BOOT??? Q/A's
I am a definite fan of both WP7 and Android both for their social integration and the development and customization abilities. So ive heard alot of poeple talking about the dual boot and most are basically trash talking the idea. But me on the other hand as well as many other poeple would agree that any phone whether it may be WP7 or android, anybody with enough knowledge to be able to unlock and root both would love to be able to enjoy what they want when they want. I mean the soul purpose of development no matter what phone or OS is the ability to push this technology to its limits,going as far as our hardware will go and letting people have what really isnt meant to be, as far as us as cutomers with any service and the limitations they come with. And i know this idea would have many supporters who would love to donate in hopes of one day having the best of both worlds. i have the samsung focus and ive done alot of research on this phone and anybody can look it up that this phone is basiclly the same identical phone as the samsung google nexus s, the only real difference is the OS capabilities that you get with android on the nexus. ive compared both and well hardware, camera mp's and capabilities (well the nexus doesnt have face detection), screen res, and even screen size is the same even made with the same type of glass(gorilla that is at least confirmed by samsung via twitter). My question, if the phone is essentially the same,would it be possible to dual boot the nexus stock 2.3 rom or even any custom that the nexus has or had and maybe even ice cream sandwich like i know the nexus will soon have or if not already have?. But im also keepin in mind that those roms would have to be customized and remade to work around the focuses WP7.5 OS with dual boot.
I like both as well, but the only way you can do this is to buy an HTC hd2.
pmb1903 said:
[Q] DUAL BOOT??? Q/A's
I am a definite fan of both WP7 and Android both for their social integration and the development and customization abilities. So ive heard alot of poeple talking about the dual boot and most are basically trash talking the idea. But me on the other hand as well as many other poeple would agree that any phone whether it may be WP7 or android, anybody with enough knowledge to be able to unlock and root both would love to be able to enjoy what they want when they want. I mean the soul purpose of development no matter what phone or OS is the ability to push this technology to its limits,going as far as our hardware will go and letting people have what really isnt meant to be, as far as us as cutomers with any service and the limitations they come with. And i know this idea would have many supporters who would love to donate in hopes of one day having the best of both worlds. i have the samsung focus and ive done alot of research on this phone and anybody can look it up that this phone is basiclly the same identical phone as the samsung google nexus s, the only real difference is the OS capabilities that you get with android on the nexus. ive compared both and well hardware, camera mp's and capabilities (well the nexus doesnt have face detection), screen res, and even screen size is the same even made with the same type of glass(gorilla that is at least confirmed by samsung via twitter). My question, if the phone is essentially the same,would it be possible to dual boot the nexus stock 2.3 rom or even any custom that the nexus has or had and maybe even ice cream sandwich like i know the nexus will soon have or if not already have?. But im also keepin in mind that those roms would have to be customized and remade to work around the focuses WP7.5 OS with dual boot.
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can you provide at least a proof before you claim that both device are identical? getting spec sheet from the internet is not the same as getting the tech sheet from manufacturers.
of course i know there not completly identical since they were built for 2 totally different operating systems, well i mean they dont have the same brand name of processor but regardless there still 1gz, based on the specs ive seen same phone released one month after eachother just different housing and a curved screen. But i have looked at a bunch of tech review sites and im very fimiliar with custom roms and the rooting process of android as ive done many but i know very little about WP7 besides the fact that i forced the mango update via zune. i mean i know completly how to use the focus,but just not in the extent of chevron,interpop or in depth dev.
and why hd2, is there something in particular about that device or is it just the one that the only dual boot available and was designed for. the focus is a newer phone with a newer OS. Im guessing another dual boot would have to be developed because there 2 different phones or is it an HTC thing and the sense UI mixed with win mobile that only allows that certain dual boot capability.
The Focus and Nexus aren't the same
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and why hd2, is there something in particular about that device or is it just the one that the only dual boot available and was designed for. the focus is a newer phone with a newer OS. Im guessing another dual boot would have to be developed because there 2 different phones or is it an HTC thing and the sense UI mixed with win mobile that only allows that certain dual boot capability.
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The HD2 is a powerful device. The HD7 is a slight redesign of it. The Evo 4G and Inspire 4G are a very slight redesign of it. I think the HD2 also had an unlocked boot loader, so it can be hacked to run nearly any OS (Android, MeeGo, Ubuntu, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, and I even saw one with Windows 95)
pmb1903 said:
[Q] DUAL BOOT??? Q/A's
I am a definite fan of both WP7 and Android both for their social integration and the development and customization abilities. So ive heard alot of poeple talking about the dual boot and most are basically trash talking the idea. But me on the other hand as well as many other poeple would agree that any phone whether it may be WP7 or android, anybody with enough knowledge to be able to unlock and root both would love to be able to enjoy what they want when they want. I mean the soul purpose of development no matter what phone or OS is the ability to push this technology to its limits,going as far as our hardware will go and letting people have what really isnt meant to be, as far as us as cutomers with any service and the limitations they come with. And i know this idea would have many supporters who would love to donate in hopes of one day having the best of both worlds. i have the samsung focus and ive done alot of research on this phone and anybody can look it up that this phone is basiclly the same identical phone as the samsung google nexus s, the only real difference is the OS capabilities that you get with android on the nexus. ive compared both and well hardware, camera mp's and capabilities (well the nexus doesnt have face detection), screen res, and even screen size is the same even made with the same type of glass(gorilla that is at least confirmed by samsung via twitter). My question, if the phone is essentially the same,would it be possible to dual boot the nexus stock 2.3 rom or even any custom that the nexus has or had and maybe even ice cream sandwich like i know the nexus will soon have or if not already have?. But im also keepin in mind that those roms would have to be customized and remade to work around the focuses WP7.5 OS with dual boot.
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CPU:
Focus: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
HD2: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
Nexus: 1.2 GHZ Dual Core
Display:
Focus: WVGA (800x480) Super Amoled
HD2: WVGA (800x480) TFT LCD
Nexus: 720P (1280x720) Super Amoled
Screen Size:
Focus: 4.0"
HD2: 4.3"
Nexus: 4.65"
Front Camera:
Focus: None
HD2: None
Nexus: 1.3mp
RAM:
Focus: 512MB
HD2: 448MB
Nexus: 1024MB
They are definitely not the same phone. Windows Phone only supports WVGA, so it won't even work properly on the Nexus. Windows Phone doesn't even support dual core processors, so if it did work, it would be slow (1 core, 600mhz). The HD2 is more similiar to the Focus then the Nexus is.
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YES. if and only if the phones have
1. identical hardware 100% identical hardware down to the pcb, hardware keys camera models, (delimited by availability of driver)
2. and program loader (to write the os to the internal storage) is available for both os,
3. as well as someone actually splices the bootloaders (both bootloadrs for both os - something like magloader)
4. and both filesystem can exist in a single internal disc and accessed by both OS
5. and drivers for both OS's are readily available.
last but not least
6. someone (with the capacity to understand in manufacturing and programming a consumer device with full know-how in driver writing, coding, file system access bla bla bla owns a jtag writer) actually wants to do it.
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and why hd2, is there something in particular about that device or is it just the one that the only dual boot available and was designed for. the focus is a newer phone with a newer OS. Im guessing another dual boot would have to be developed because there 2 different phones or is it an HTC thing and the sense UI mixed with win mobile that only allows that certain dual boot capability.
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hd2 was already windows mobile, and from what I've heard someone happened to get a test release of wp7 so that kind of fell into their lap.
Android is open source, so if there is enough interest it can be done, though with the hd2 there was a lot more to the story...
It is truly a one of a kind device, chances are you won't see any other dual booting phones for wp7 and android
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The HD2 is a powerful device. The HD7 is a slight redesign of it. The Evo 4G and Inspire 4G are a very slight redesign of it. I think the HD2 also had an unlocked boot loader, so it can be hacked to run nearly any OS (Android, MeeGo, Ubuntu, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, and I even saw one with Windows 95)
CPU:
Focus: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
HD2: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
Nexus: 1.2 GHZ Dual Core
Display:
Focus: WVGA (800x480) Super Amoled
HD2: WVGA (800x480) TFT LCD
Nexus: 720P (1280x720) Super Amoled
Screen Size:
Focus: 4.0"
HD2: 4.3"
Nexus: 4.65"
Front Camera:
Focus: None
HD2: None
Nexus: 1.3mp
RAM:
Focus: 512MB
HD2: 448MB
Nexus: 1024MB
They are definitely not the same phone. Windows Phone only supports WVGA, so it won't even work properly on the Nexus. Windows Phone doesn't even support dual core processors, so if it did work, it would be slow (1 core, 600mhz). The HD2 is more similiar to the Focus then the Nexus is.
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He was comparing the Focus with Nexus S, not Galaxy Nexus.
I have heard a lot about how very often an android developer will need to adjust their app for different devices with different screen sizes or resolutions or graphics cards.
How come it is possible that an app can work perfectly on whatever device they are testing on and crash on another?
How come it isn't like Windows? In Windows you can develop one program and expect it to run on any pc no matter what graphics card it uses or processor or screen resolution or size of the screen.
I most recently read about this issue on Mika Mobile's blog regarding Battleheart for Android.
I understand that this may not be a simple answer and may end up being very detailed, but I welcome that.
because unlike pcs mobile phone companies ***** and moan about every component in there device ie the patent wars that are going on. with pc's you make it as compatible as you can nearly every game uses direct x so if your a hardware manufacture you make sure your components run with direct x if you dont your products wont sell. mobile phone companies dont do this they seem to try make there phones as uncompilable with other phones as they possibly can
In Windows you can develop one program and expect it to run on any pc no matter what graphics card it uses or processor or screen resolution or size of the screen.
I most recently read about this issue on Mika Mobile's blog regarding Battleheart for Android.
I understand that this may not be a simple answer and may end up being very detailed, but I welcome that.
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That's not really correct many windows programs work only at set resolutions, meaning if your screen is lower res parts of the interface are out of sight.
Dave
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