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Motorola HT820...... settings

I have the HT820s, but they are not working so great at the moment.
They have worked exactly twice so far, and the settings and ROM were different both times yet the same settings also don`t work most of the time.
I was wondering if you also owned these headphones, if you could list your ROM and config settings.
There seems to be no ryhme or reason to wether or not they work, i have looked on all the threads for all the different ROMs and and there dosen`t seem to be any pattern at all to it.
mine are as follows
Bitpool = 58
Maxbitpool = 128
These are the settings i had when i had some small success, and no success at all......

A2DP and the Dreaded Moto
davieshyland said:
I have the HT820s, but they are not working so great at the moment.
They have worked exactly twice so far, and the settings and ROM were different both times yet the same settings also don`t work most of the time.
I was wondering if you also owned these headphones, if you could list your ROM and config settings.
There seems to be no ryhme or reason to wether or not they work, i have looked on all the threads for all the different ROMs and and there dosen`t seem to be any pattern at all to it.
mine are as follows
Bitpool = 58
Maxbitpool = 128
These are the settings i had when i had some small success, and no success at all......
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Hi m8,
I have the same Moto HT 820 and to say they're temperamental would be an understatement......... there are quite a few of us here with the same headset and once you get them working they're great!
I've been using them all day today at the office without a single skip, pause or lockup. Reconnecting to the Uni works fine too.
No more issues with my Moto!
Unfortunately for you I'm using my latest build, due for release on the 1st Novemeber!
The problem is not the reg settings it's the stack on the Uni itself.
Only two more weeks and the Rom will be out.
Cheers,
Beasty

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
(picture if you will, a man sitting in front of his computer pulling his own hair out by the handful)

davieshyland said:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
(picture if you will, a man sitting in front of his computer pulling his own hair out by the handful)
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No need to picture it, I was doing it myself for a whole week!
(although for the humour facrtor and some comic relief you could upload a few pics for us all)
Not long to go though.................
Could you tell me the firmware revision of your headset.........it's inside the headband.......... mine is SYN0948D.
Cheers,
Beasty

I have the same headset, they work a treat.
After pairing the headset it started working perfectly.

beast0898 said:
No need to picture it, I was doing it myself for a whole week!
(although for the humour factor and some comic relief you could upload a few pics for us all)
Not long to go though.................
Could you tell me the firmware revision of your headset.........it's inside the headband.......... mine is SYN0948D.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Hi Beasty,
I was ready to put some pics of my bald head, but was advised to wait until at least some grows back!
One of the HT820 I own is : SYN0948A.
The second HT820 is all smudged up and your guess is as good as mine.
As I have mentioned to you earlier, since they are not genuine therefore I cannot flash the ROM for the upgrade!
Thanks,
KOR!

SYN0948E for me, i looked thru the threads and i don`t think mine can be updated......

davieshyland said:
SYN0948E for me, i looked thru the threads and i don`t think mine can be updated......
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Hi,
If I recall the procedure correctly from memory, you should power off the headphones, connect to your pc with the USB cable, hold down both track control buttons, and power the device on.
If the bluetooth leds stay on I believe that means the device is in flash mode......... I also believe that what I read on the forums, is that the "hookie" headsets do not support this mode at all.
Davieshyland, where did you purchase your headset from?
Cheers,
Beasty

Powered off, connected usb and then pressed both track buttons....... both LEDs started to flash at 1 second intervals. Which i believe is the correct way. I already looked into flashing/updating the firmware for the headphones, tought maybe this could solve my problems, but i think its only the A,B and Cs that can be updated.
I got them from ebay, but not a seller in Hongkong, it was some bloke in Manchester, England

Switched to JWrights 20202, someone said that was the best ROM for BT sound....
Had the same problem..... no sound after 1 second.
But..... while reading thru the 500+ posts i came across a two line post saying, in affect, 1st, pair your headphones, then turn your headphones off, then back on, wait for uni to find them automatically, and you should now have no problems.
This actually worked for me with this ROM, i am going to upgrade to his latest ROM tonight. Its now nearly 5 in the morning (AM ) i`m only up because of a Diabetic low (time for a cookie and a quick post) and now i`m going back to bed.

Sick of it, returning it, sooo disappointing

Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it

It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.

sonus said:
It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.
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Yep. Not one issue with mine. As for speed, I guess that's all relative. However, I have had enough WM devices in the past to base my comparisons to and I don't find the TC to be any worse than my past devices. In some respects, it is faster at some operations (ie. opening applications, browsing directories, etc) than my past device. I have no issue with touching the screen and the amount of pressure needed.
As for the size and weight of the TC, you'll be hard pressed to find anything that's leaps and bounds smaller and lighter on the market right now with the exception of the original Touch series.

madinga said:
Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back

raskell said:
Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back
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Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though

madinga said:
Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though
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You got a bad device. It happens. If you are satisfied with what the device offers, exchange it for another.

it's true that it's too slow to search a name in all database !
I had a QTek 9090 also cadenced to 400Mhz during nearly 2 years,and I used to search a name not only in contacts but using the "search" tool in all the datas and with the same database of almost 3000 contacts + calender over 1000 entries, with the QTek it took only a few seconds, here on the TC (and I used also before a TYTN it was the same problem : very slow),it takes more than 1 minute ! It is so slow that the screenlight turns off before it has found !! It is really boring and not easy to use: I have to go in contacts and type the name or surname, then it is much faster....BUT if I want to find a keyword I put in the notes of my contacts, the only way is to use the search tool and it is REAL too slow !
What do you guys, testers, think about this ? The QTek had the same processor speed, half less RAM and ROM but maybe it consumed more energy, more power, maybe the battery lasted less time, but ok, I prefer to charge my battery more often and to have a fast PDA . I cannot wait so long to search an item !!!

try to exchange you device for a new one and you will be a happy chap

Cedel: The 9090 (Qtek = HTC) has an Intel CPU I owned a Qtek S110 (also Intel) and it was in fact very fast. But comparing raw CPU speed in this case is not correct. I'm pretty sure Intel uses a completely different architecture. There are IMO several reasons for HTC dropping Intel from their phones:
1. Cost - Intel have never been a cost effective solution and I strongly suspect that they are at least 30% more expensive.
2. Battery - A 9090 or S110 would not live though the day with GPS, 128 MB DDR RAM and all the other features you now have I can confirm this from an iPAQ 316 I tested recently. 2 hours @battery power was it's maximum!

madinga said:
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?

surgex0 said:
that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?
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Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...

yeah i've tried that...didn't do much difference
i hope u get ur probs fixed, good luck dealing with HTC :-\

madinga said:
Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...
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I have recently sent me touch dual back to HTC twice- the first time they said they replaced the mainboard but when I got it back it still had problems, the second time they said they couldnt find any issues with it and reflashed the rom and sent it back- they were unhelpful and unapologetic. Was thinking of sending in a written complaint as I never had any problems with my wizard or TYTN but I honestly dont think it will achieve anything.
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems. I think its windows mobile that is the weak link here.

RetroFlux said:
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems.
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What problems are those? Aside from lack of graphics drivers, the device performs as I expect.

Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.

madinga, i really understand you. It's a ****ed up device! I bought it for $1000 and for such money it freezes, doesn't wakeup on power push, and got a very bad performance. I wanna throw it to the wall!! ****

Well I like mine...
But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.

madinga said:
Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.
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Its not a slow phone i think your device still have a problem.
Send it back again and demand a new device tell them this is a clearly DOE/RMA Case
they have to give you a new Device.
Cheers
Tarik

andyturner said:
But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.
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I really don't have any problems reading books/novels... GowerPoint uBook does the job... well it can't read PDF files but it can read RTF files, so the text formatting can be preserved, also it has lots of features...

10 Min For Cube To Load
It took 10 mins for the cube to open. During that time, it locked my PDA. I've been disappointed in this and all the bugs with the Word Completion and returned it as a manufacturer defect.
In all the years prior to now, I cannot believe the processors currently out there have not advanced in speed.

Orbit2 or HTC Touch Cruise P3650?

Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!

Nobody knows?
Is any test between these to phones on net?
Thanks!

IMHO the o2 has a better form factor...it's more rounded...
but other than that, i'm pretty sure its 100% the same exact hardware on the inside...and as a touch cruise owner, i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon

surgex0 said:
i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon
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Don't take that for gospel. I have owned many PPC's going back to 2000 and i can tell you from my experience, the TC performs just fine in day-to-day operation. As a matter of fact, it performs much better than my last 2 devices, a Treo 750 and the KJAM.

1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?

o2orbit said:
1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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I have no such "problems" with my TC. However, if you want to nitpick, the FM antenna is not very strong so there can be interference if used in a place like a metropolitan city.
Other than that, I have not had any problems.

4.) bad painting
all the time...all you have to do is be viewing a web site in whatever browser and press the phone key. Depending on what other applications you have open, and how much ram you are using, it can take up to 1-5 seconds to fully "paint" the dialpad on the screen, piece by piece.
If you are scrolling through anything, lets say the programs menu, or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
I can remember back about 15 years ago, to my first desktop PC...it was a pentium 133 MHZ, with an ATI 3d card that had 8MB of ram I believe, and it ran windows 3.11 for workgroups, and then windows 95.
Lets just say even that comp (if it were still put together) could out do the touch cruise graphics wise.
As for the other problems you are describing, I have not had any issues with those. For the most part, it's just the graphics \ user interface stuff and lack of proper video drivers.
The actual radio hardware is fine.
If i were you, I would wait until all the issues are worked out before you spend alot of money on a handheld..unless you really need it. I'm actually thinking of selling my touch cruise and getting an Atom V.

both are same inside, but i'm on my 3rd O2 Orbit 2 due to cosmetics, i get the feeling the new 'stylised' case for the Orbit 2 is rushed, as all 3 have gaps, off centre screen and now my 3rd one the GPS plug keeps falling out! lol
i'd go for the original 'design' as most complaints i've heard have been about O2 version - BUT just cosmetics, not hardware.
i really can't be bothered to send this back, but will think twice about what i upgrade to next :/

or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
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If you're using PIE, there is a fix for that. After applying the fix, scrolling is just fine.
I also have no scrolling issues using Netfront 3.5.

cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.

o2orbit said:
1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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On the TC
1) Wi-fi is fine
2) Only used BT to transfer files between laptop and phone, works fine.
3) No problem with earphone
4) not sure, the actual radio ROM (reception, etc) or FM Radio. 1st one is fine, 2nd one reception can suck.
5) Sux donkey balls. See the post about dialer skin lag. very true.
6) Never happened.
The device is fine overall with day to day use. but sometimes stuff just won't freakin work or will lag. every once in awhile my GPS will take forever to lock or when it does it will be off by a bit. sometimes windows live mail won't send/receive when i want it to. other times i feel the device just can't handle multiple things at the same time. opening audio manager when you have several hundred music files takes about 5-10 secs. then when listening to music while typing an sms, you will feel some lag while typing as opposed to typing with no music playing.

I have an Orbit 2 ...build wise its fantastic. Before I bought it, I was going to buy the iphone, the salesman in the O2 shop gave me a demo on the iphone's rigidity and build quality, he held the iphone flat in his palm with the screen up and slammed it down hard onto a wooden desk from a height of approx 1 metre....it looked very impressive...when I got my Orbit 2 I did the same.....not even a scratch....

Also thought I would comment on BT issues..since I failed to mention it in my previous post
Handsfree works great.
I have a handsfree system in my automobile, and I have a motorola HS850 as well.
No problems whatsoever.
Also, activesync works great over BT, so does internet sharing using the PAN.
File transfer takes a long time, but that is to be expected, since BT data transfer rates aren't as good as USB.
A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
I emailed HTC about this and their response was less than helpful.
They gave me a bunch of a2dp headset models that they have "tested"
and then told me that just because they were tested doesn't mean they are fully functional without issues.
I tried to tell them that it wasn't the headsets and it was the device itself, but they didn't seem to listen to what I had to say.

Never tried a2dp, but i don't have a hard time seeing this happening with this device. just the kind of thing to be expected. and i wanted to have stereo bluetooth to listen to music, etc. is it really that bad? guess i won't be trying that.
as far as build quality, it's good so far. except the loose volume switch on the side that rattles. kinda lame there. i've heard of the orbit2 jog dials falling off. there's another thread about that somewhere.

surgex0 said:
cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.
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I'm one of the ones not having a problem with my TC. I agree the web using ie is slow but is also on every other wm device I've had. So I use opera mini.
Upwards of $1000?? Where the hell are you buying it anyway? That's a bit exagerated isn't it? I concur tho that phones are getting more and more expensive and the quality of build is not equal to cost. Actually my gf's t-mo go phone cost $40 and is seemingly indestructable.

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A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
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You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all. I can even surf the web while using A2DP using Opera Mini or Mobile without issue. Keep in mind that I push multi-tasking on my devices.
I will say however, that using the S9's with the TC in NYC is crappy due to the weakness of the BT signal. I used to have the same issue with my Treo 750 using WM5 then when I upgraded to WM6 the issue seemed to lessen enough to the point where I didn't quite mind the "occasional" skip.

o2orbit said:
Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!
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Did they up the ram? Because 64mb is unaceptable. Causes freeze-ups and shut downs. Gotta have 128mb minimum.

JNGold said:
You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all.
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Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
And also, to comment about the price thing...the Sedna costs 1000 and the touch cruise is currently going for 700-800...I paid 850 for mine but i got it after one of the first shipments to the wholesaler. This is in the US though...I've heard these same exact phones cost like $50 in hong kong. Dunno if it's true but...search google checkout for the HTC Sedna, and see how much they cost.

$50 for a Cruise in HK??? no way. link?

surgex0 said:
Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
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Yea, surgex0, you might wanna do some investigation, b/c A2DP works perfectly for me also. No skipping, great quality, and I can multitask w/o a real slowdown in performance. I've used it with my Samsung A2DP headphones, my Sony A2DP input/output adapter for my home stereo, and random A2DP demo products in stores. No issues here... Maybe try other headphones, or if you are on a custom rom try the original rom.

TouchFlo Crashing

Hi
Only had my Orbit 2 for a few days and already there are quite a few problems with it...most of which got resolved so not too bothered there
However there is one problem that I cant fix. Sometimes when I bring up the TouchFLO it will crash on the screen with the radio, copilot, alarm, etc. The text under the icons does not load and the only way to get out of it is by pressing the end call key.
Soft reset doesnt solve the problem, it did once but only temporarily.
Hard reset has solved it (don't know if the problem will come again), wouldn't mind too much about that except I did a hard reset about 2 days ago for another reason so it is clear the device is just screwing up somehow. I barely installed much software on it.
So i've only hard resetted once to see if I can solve the problem and so far its worked. Hope its not temporary.
If anyone could help me I'd be grateful
(P.S. The button with the end call key and 'OK' is a bit loose, I can jiggle it about slightly left and right...)
Never had this many problems with my Artemis and for a device worth over £300 (over $600) I really think this is unacceptable. First the drivers, and now small problems which screw up the device totally. HTC are messing up big time and I think with all their negative feedback O2 might just cut down on buying their products.

The only time I've ever had Touch Flo, well, the Touch Cube crash was due to my installing City Time Alarms. After uninstalling, everything went back to normal. Maybe a specific app was causing your woes?

I installed an old version of SKTools and did a registry cleanup, maybe that had something to do with it... It did delete a whole lot of stuff..
I remember the problem only occured after I installed SKtools. I did do a hard reset earlier today and that was because the device became slow.. but nothing to do with TouchFlo.
Anyway I have hard reset the device now so I should not be getting any more problems from it..
But I am getting worried about the deivce though, there are so many bugs with it! Like today when the alarm went off to wake me up, the GPRS was turned on for about 56 minutes and I was definately asleep so I couldn't have turned it on!
I am scared to install a program on it incase that likes to mess up my device!
Also, is it normal for the right buttons (end call/OK) to be a BIT wonky? Like you can move it a bit from left to right? They work perfectly fine and I doubt they will suddenly detach or something! If you shake the device you CANNOT hear the slighlty wonky keys or anything, but just got a bit worried cos the other keys opposite it (pickup/windows) is not wonky at all...
This device is not worth £300
At most I would say it is worth £250
It is just so full of bugs and I have never had these kinds of problems with the other 4 PDAs that I have owned in the past. The more higher tech you go, the more unreliable the device becomes. My XDA II which I owned about 2 years ago was the most reliable I've ever had. HTC are really screwing it up and I think they are more interested in their money than their customers. I hope they screw up big time and I mean big time. If it wasn't for XDA-Developers they would have been out of business a long, looong time ago.

With regards to HTC, they didn't screw up. Sounds to me, just like anything you buy, you got a lemon. I would exchange it for another unit, not only for the system instability but also the "defective" (loose) button.

I bought the item off eBay so I cannot return it
The button is fine though, its nothing major it only moves ever so slightly and I dont think theres any problem with it. It works perfectly fine, I shouldn't really have mentioned it in the first place!
The system instability is normal though I am sure, look at what other problems people are having with their devices that get resolved every day.
O2/HTC doesnt expect lots of users to install custom ROMS (well I haven't) or edit the registry so the devices will be more user friendly and if you play about with that it can screw up.
I thought the device is kinda bad but I guess i'm happy with it, If I just use it normally and stop trying new things out on it and stop using programs like SK tools (lol) then I'll be fine. And if I have any small problems I am sure they can get resolved on here.
Anyways I am only 15 so I am going to be happy with what i've got lol!

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Only had my Orbit 2 for a few days and already there are quite a few problems with it...most of which got resolved so not too bothered there
However there is one problem that I cant fix. Sometimes when I bring up the TouchFLO it will crash on the screen with the radio, copilot, alarm, etc. The text under the icons does not load and the only way to get out of it is by pressing the end call key.
Soft reset doesnt solve the problem, it did once but only temporarily.
Hard reset has solved it (don't know if the problem will come again), wouldn't mind too much about that except I did a hard reset about 2 days ago for another reason so it is clear the device is just screwing up somehow. I barely installed much software on it.
So i've only hard resetted once to see if I can solve the problem and so far its worked. Hope its not temporary.
If anyone could help me I'd be grateful
(P.S. The button with the end call key and 'OK' is a bit loose, I can jiggle it about slightly left and right...)
Never had this many problems with my Artemis and for a device worth over £300 (over $600) I really think this is unacceptable. First the drivers, and now small problems which screw up the device totally. HTC are messing up big time and I think with all their negative feedback O2 might just cut down on buying their products.
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I had the same problem. You actually have to let it sit for about 10 mins and it will load. If you close it, it might freeze for another 10 mins. After some time, the problem went away for reasons I cannot explain. Then, every time I select a button on the cube, the cube closes and I have to reopen it every time I want to use it.
Also, the bugs related with the "Word Completion" option, which does not function correctly, gave me a miserable experience with writing and typing. It slowed my writing and typing because I constantly have to correct bad guesses. I cannot turn it off either because the "Word Completion" option does not work. Sure I could go into the registry and mitigate the problem, but I returned it as a manufacturer defect.
I assume it will go back to HTC and I hope it will result in a response to fix the problems. For >$800 after tax, I would expect the purchase to function correctly.

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Yes the word completion is annoying, I can't turn it off either. It is annoying when you write smaller words such as 'sed' as opposed to 'said', the word completion decides to change it.. It is really annoying especially when you have to type on the move. Not to mention it uses up a whole lot of characters when you try to said a text message. It is much easier and quicker to write 'thru', it uses only 4 characters whereas the proper spelling of the word 'through' uses up 7 - nearly double. With a limit of 160 characters per message you will find that you will quickly reach that limit. I have quite a lot of free texts so I do not mind much but I hate it when it puts the incorrect word in the place!
Also with your TouchFLO problem, did you try hard resetting the device? I found that if you play about with the registry the phone quickly messes up. That is understandable but harmless registry modifications such as the 'ShowSIM' can even screw up your phone!
If a problem appears on my device can I give it to O2 to repair for a fee -- I do not have a warentee so if they agree to fix it for a fee only then that seems fair.

prank1 said:
I installed an old version of SKTools and did a registry cleanup, maybe that had something to do with it... It did delete a whole lot of stuff..
I remember the problem only occured after I installed SKtools.
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I found that if you play about with the registry the phone quickly messes up. That is understandable but harmless registry modifications such as the 'ShowSIM' can even screw up your phone!
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Maybe its just me, but while programs like sktools can simplify your life, I really hate the idea of a non-device specific program tweaking my registry. I like to do it myself so that I know exactly what goes in, and I can assess exactly what comes out. FYI: I've never had a crash due to registry mods (but in my early days (pre-Touch Cruise) of installing random cabs and fixes I did get crashes).

prank1 said:
...Also with your TouchFLO problem, did you try hard resetting the device?
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Just soft resets. I didn't want to wait 10+ hours to resync my emails, contacts, etc after a hard reset.

Looking for another dialer to stop accidental answers

Ok heres the deal my boss bought a sprint touch pro and everytime he gets a phone call even with the phone locked he either accepts or declines the call while he is taking it out of the case.
I have already done a search and this appears to be a major problem with the diamond with no fix really.
On my Hermes I have used a opal canvas dialer skin that you actually have to slide to the left and right to answer a call. Does anyone know of a dialer like that that will work with the touch pro?
I know s2u2 or whatever it is will work but thats too bulky and won't work for him. To me this really seems like a major flaw in the phone design and I may not get the phone myself unless I can find a workable fix..
I'm really surprised this isn't complained about more but a slide to answer reject dialer seems to easiest way to fix to me.
Any help appreciated.

MrDSL said:
Ok heres the deal my boss bought a sprint touch pro and everytime he gets a phone call even with the phone locked he either accepts or declines the call while he is taking it out of the case.
I have already done a search and this appears to be a major problem with the diamond with no fix really.
On my Hermes I have used a opal canvas dialer skin that you actually have to slide to the left and right to answer a call. Does anyone know of a dialer like that that will work with the touch pro?
I know s2u2 or whatever it is will work but thats too bulky and won't work for him. To me this really seems like a major flaw in the phone design and I may not get the phone myself unless I can find a workable fix..
I'm really surprised this isn't complained about more but a slide to answer reject dialer seems to easiest way to fix to me.
Any help appreciated.
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THIS is what you need!
This disabled the on-screen answer keys, so you can only answer with the hardware keys. Works perfect for me, and it's a very small app.

johanromijn said:
THIS is what you need!
This disabled the on-screen answer keys, so you can only answer with the hardware keys. Works perfect for me, and it's a very small app.
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Thanks man that looks like its gonna work..He only wants the hard keys to answer..

Doesn't work with CDMA devices
I think he may just return the phone cause its that annoying since none of his calls go through..Even when he has his headset on if he just moves wrong it rejects the call..I have been using his phone for about an hour and it happens to me also..I want to throw the damn phone against the wall!!!
I tried some sensorapp and that doesn't work also and changes the unlock screen too much

If I could just find a dialer like the opal one that you have to slide to the left or right to answer or reject this would be fine..

i think the maker of the program will eventually fix it to support CDMA devices. why not give him a message?

chrisbjr said:
i think the maker of the program will eventually fix it to support CDMA devices. why not give him a message?
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He does have it under the todo list but it won't do my boss much good since he is missing every single call he gets..
I really thought he was exaggerating so thats why I decided to use the phone and I haven't been able to answer one single call. This is using the case that came with the phone and I can't believe this was not noticed during some testing phase or something..

I noticed you mentioned S2U2, and I'm curious why you decided against it.
As long as you enable Slide 2 Answer, and enable the D-Pad option, your boss' problem should go away. The D-Pad option will allow him to answer calls using the D-Pad and not have to touch the screen at all.

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I noticed you mentioned S2U2, and I'm curious why you decided against it.
As long as you enable Slide 2 Answer, and enable the D-Pad option, your boss' problem should go away. The D-Pad option will allow him to answer calls using the D-Pad and not have to touch the screen at all.
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It would be fine for me but my boss is kinda weird about installing stuff on his phone and I know when I have used s2u2 on my hermes it took more battery life etc and i sometimes ran into weird glitches. Which is okay for me but he would have a fit.
It needs to be as close to stock as it can be..
If he returns the phone then I won't have to worry about always fixing it LOL so I may just tell him to do that..
It just really amazes me something like this was missed and it also amazes me that the low speakerphone volume is also on this phone. I just noticed that. My hermes is the same way and apparently being able to hear the person on the other end isn't important enough for HTC to worry about fixing. Its not like I wanna hear the other person I'm talking to on my phone..
They did at least fix the MS Voice Command not working with BT headsets!!

I use Sensor Lock. You can customize the gestures to only a 1/2 turn to lock, 1/2 turn the other way to unlock. It works very well. S2U2 doesn't work well on the Touch Pro yet...

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It just really amazes me something like this was missed and it also amazes me that the low speakerphone volume is also on this phone. I just noticed that. My hermes is the same way and apparently being able to hear the person on the other end isn't important enough for HTC to worry about fixing. Its not like I wanna hear the other person I'm talking to on my phone..
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There's apparently a lot of variation on volume between different versions of the same handset. I noted in this forum that there were a lot of people complaining about the volume being too low, but there were also a couple complaining about it being too high.
You mentioned low speaker phone volume on your Hermes. I have a Cingular 8525 (Hermes) with the original ROM, and I almost always have to turn the volume down all the way to use the speaker phone. I have to turn it up all the way when I'm using the earpiece (i.e., as a normal phone), but that volume is definitely too high for a quiet room on the speaker phone. (And they didn't give separate volume settings for earpiece and speaker phone, grr...)

MrDSL said:
If I could just find a dialer like the opal one that you have to slide to the left or right to answer or reject this would be fine..
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Exactly! I've been looking for an Opal-like dialer for the Fuze (Touch Pro) -- but no luck so far. Anybody seen one floating around in .cab form?