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Which do you prefer and why?
I am mainly concerned with speed and stability, so I am not sure which would be the better option or if it there would really be any difference seeing as they both use the same base.
I've tried both and they're both fast and stable with excellent features. To me it's kinda like a choice between a BMW or Mercedes. You can't go wrong with either so I'd read the features built into each and pick the one with the most appealing set up. Schap's has a great feature set, but Dutty always seems to come out with something new
Flash one for a day and play with it. Then flash the other for a day. Use a good back up like PPCPimBackup and restoring you're contacts and info is easy. You'll just have to customize your settings again. But that's just a good way to learn the ins and outs of your phone. Just have fun
They both are great ROM's. So it comes down to preference and what you need and want in your phone. Like Charlie said, you kinda can't go wrong. They both are WAY better than the stock ROM.
jb
A benchmark test would help. Like charlie said, Dutty throws in some extra goodies. It doesnt hurt to try them both out.
blesbok said:
Which do you prefer and why?
I am mainly concerned with speed and stability, so I am not sure which would be the better option or if it there would really be any difference seeing as they both use the same base.
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Which car is better BMW or Mercedes?
Always the same... everyone gives you another answer.
Just try them and find out which meets your requirements most.
I have been loving both ROms myself and think same as you guys reference speed and stability but there are a few things better with Dutty
Dutty's Roms doesnt have as many progs as schaps, adobe lite, i hate that app and use other ebook readers and some other progs that you would hardly use so i think dutty gets the win for me here..
come to think of it, schaps has been cooking roms b4 dutty and dutty gave him props because he learnt alot from schaps. there you have it make your pick, students normally perfect wat they have been taught and beat the teachers....lol
Z
bmueller77 said:
Which car is better BMW or Mercedes?
Always the same... everyone gives you another answer.
Just try them and find out which meets your requirements most.
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Very nice answer
Flashing Shaps' now, will give you an answer soon...
Wait a minute, why aren't YOU doing the same thing?!
Seriously though, both are great, I use Shaps at the moment cause it has build-in VoIP, but Dutty's stuff is flat out awesome, too!
Either way you win.
H.
Tried most ROMs out there and I kept on changing. Re-flashing is the least expensive way to feel like you got a new phone.
Schaps has cooked great ROMs and still however, Dutty ROMs are always on the cutting edge of "Most Recent", "Advanced", and he's always participating, answering questions and spending his valuable time on this forum. I would not buy a Benz or a BMW if I have to wait numerous days for service. Posting a ROM and expecting people to test, I would think support should be also available. Thank god for the great guys here in this forum that spend the time to explain ways out of trouble for the many noobeez in here ( like myself). Without the testers, I would be, among others, lost.
I am currently testing Duttys V3 Final. Let me say this, it is by far the best ROM for the Tilts I have, so far. Stable, Robust and does not eat up battery.
bmueller77 said:
Which car is better BMW or Mercedes?
Always the same... everyone gives you another answer.
Just try them and find out which meets your requirements most.
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that would be bmw. now that we got that out the way we can move on with our lives.
If you are mainly concerned with speed and stability then I don't know how you can't throw Alex's Ultra Clean ROM into the mix. Honestly I haven't tried all the others yet, but I have been extremely happy with the UC rom by Alex. If anything, it has to be the fastest one out there, and in the past 5 days I don't think I have reset more than once or twice for a reason other than an install.
No offense to the other developers, I just have a bias towards super clean ROM's and not relying on what someone else thinks that I should have in a ROM... but that's just me.
I say, GOGO DUTTY
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If you are mainly concerned with speed and stability then I don't know how you can't throw Alex's Ultra Clean ROM into the mix. Honestly I haven't tried all the others yet, but I have been extremely happy with the UC rom by Alex. If anything, it has to be the fastest one out there, and in the past 5 days I don't think I have reset more than once or twice for a reason other than an install.
No offense to the other developers, I just have a bias towards super clean ROM's and not relying on what someone else thinks that I should have in a ROM... but that's just me.
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I agree. I've tried quite a few other ROMS and always come back to Alex's. I wish dutty and schap would make their roms easer to add and remove programs/features via the ROM kitchen.
Schap's v4.3 Rom is very stable and most improtantly it does look like an orignal HTC Rom espcially when u start ur phone.no dutty's series..etc
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that would be bmw. now that we got that out the way we can move on with our lives.
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No, that would be Porche...
Personally Ive tried both ROMS, and they are both a vast improvement over stock - especially since stock for me was in Czech, and Im not quite that fluent Right now I'm using Dutty's V3 which seems to be the best so far but if Schaps releases a new one tomorrow I'd probably switch to just check it out.
For me the decision not to try too many other ROMs is just time - these two get great reviews and both work great for me, but I don't have the time try the others that have come out recently.
Matthew
I've tried most of them and I find myself flashing back to Schap's since 4.22. I gave v3 a shot but did not find it to be as quick or clean as 4.30 w/ 32mb.PP IMO.
I am anxious for Schap's lite and Adv Config 2.0 to be released!
Just because of Adv Config I am a Schap's fan.
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Which car is better BMW or Mercedes?
Always the same... everyone gives you another answer.
Just try them and find out which meets your requirements most.
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I can't completely agree on this.
There are some facts you can compare which can be very important to the user, for instance the 'fuel economy in automobiles' (the batterylife of the kaiser)...
What about a duel boot
It may sound crazy, but that way ppl would not have to take a chance on screwing up all their settings. My vote if I had to choose is Dutty’s roms. He is always cooking and I have never had anything I didn’t like, before he served another course.
Personal preference over feel, battery life, responsiveness, base apps/utilities etc etc etc
I ran some benchmarks on the two but I'm not at liberty to share the results as they were just for my customization of PagePool+MaxCache settings.
Moe5508 said:
I ran some benchmarks on the two but I'm not at liberty to share the results as they were just for my customization of PagePool+MaxCache settings.
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Then why even tell us if we can't get the result? hahah
Hello, I have a Cingular 8125 G3.
I flashed to Farias WM6 Crossbow a while back but i've been having problems here and there, not as stable as it once was, and i've hard reset several times the past week to correct problems.
How does the Faria rom rate to the other Wm6 roms out there?
Which ones can you recommend to try? I don't care for things that have lots of addon apps, just stable Wm6. I've been reading the threads here and can't decide. Obviously this isn't official releases so 100% compatibility isn't guaranteed, but which one has been proven to be least problematic?
You should look through each of the ROM's threads and see what kind of problems the posters are having. Asking a blanket question of "What's best?" is just going to repeat what's in the other threads.
NBD
I have used 2 to 3 roms. but so far the NBD rocks
although NBD 8.2(I had) got slow and gets into problems as the time passes. but may be its caz it windows. And its win's tradition to get things messed up after some times as in PC.
Now I am using the TNT latest with 1933 build, and I dont know why people are dying praising him as being killing fast. I ain't experience that fastness. those apps on the today screen contiously sucking up the speed and the battery power as well.
Now I am thinkin to build my own, if untill then I wont see the latest from NBD.
Note: I dont mean to offend anyone, its just my experience.
Most stable WM5 rom
What about Most stable WM5 rom? Would that be the Cingular Stock Rom or a Faria rom or something else?
Flashed the NBD's ROM v8.3 and I found out the following bugs:
a. Didn't find it to be fast, as per the rumors.
b. QuickMenu would pop-up every now and then whenever I touched the softkeys.
c. TouchFlo sucked, maybe I didn't get used to it.
and few minor ones...
Then I flashed the TNT's 1933 and few of the bugs are:
a. Battery drain has increased
b. Although faster than NBD's ROM, but every now and then, it lags.
c. Don't know if it happened to others...but during the call and when the device goes in power-saving mode, when I try to access the task bar (start menu bar)...can't access it...
Now, am going to flash mfrazz's ROM, so can't say much about that...
SO, Basically, there isn't an ideal custom ROM...there are a few bugs in almost everyone...its just how many can one bear...and if you can't stick to the OEM ROM....
P.S. I appreciate the efforts of all the cookers...don't mean to offend 'em...apologies if I did...after all its because of them we newbies can enjoy the taste of the new ROMs...THANKS to all the cookers....
I'm just tired of deleting this kind of threads...so i figured ..if you can't beat them, join them.
That's pretty funny Anichillus. Heck, I may have to get back into cooking.
Doesn't this kind of thread go against forum politics? I think it's actually a good idea that this thread was stickied. Now all of the people who want to ask that same question: "Which WM6 ROM is best?" all have a place to go to read other's opinions first before actually posting and asking the same question on their on and even post feedback here so others know what is going on with certain ROMs before ever flashing their device...
Anyways... Since this thread doesn't appear to be getting deleted any time soon. I will say what I have learned from trying almost 50-60 different ROMs.
I have found that if you want the latest build, go with TNT. If you want stability, XM6R3/4 are great ROMs. I personally have found from experimenting that an older build such as the 1437 build combined with the 2.19.11 UK Radio is one of the best combinations you could ask for.
Up until my Wizard fell in the toilet and completely fried, I had been using TNT.1437 TouchFlo. Now All WM6 ROMs have bugs but I found this ROM to be very stable with only minor, almost un-noticeable bugs that can be corrected quite easily. Combine this with the 2.19.11 T-Mobile UK Radio and I never had memory leaks, I never had lockups, I never had the dreaded stopping at Splash Screen problem. To put it simply, I never really had any of the bugs mentioned in the forums using that combination.
WWP
i read from post 1-5 and only got single impression-
Worms World Party
sorry
I have done some benchmark tests between some ROMs, i shall post them soon online so you can see the differences. And i give my comment too on some ROMs.
I said it somewhere before - asking which ROM is the best has about the same sense as asking which religion is the best...
In other words - pointless question leading just to fruitless arguments...
Mirek
mirekluza said:
I said it somewhere before - asking which ROM is the best has about the same sense as asking which religion is the best...
In other words - pointless question leading just to fruitless arguments...
Mirek
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Don't get me wrong, I agree...and I think most of us here agree on that.
The reason I stickied this thread is that everyday another "what's the best" or "what rom should i use" kind of threads appears. By adding this one to the top, I am hoping to avoid that.
So...proud users, post here the rom you use, add a poll ...do whatever you want, but please no more new threads.
Hi,
Actually, I'm using Core2.0n ROM but I want to switch to another one because of some big issues with A2DP and my BT Headset (Sony DR-B720NX). Audio drops frequently.
Let me say that Core2.0n is a very fast and good ROM but I can't survive without my BT Headset and A2DP.
So, another ROM suggestion is welcome. (FYI Someone told me to try TNT.1933... But I still didn't flash it).
Thanks to all for your feedback.
Jaguar 3.1 (AT&T) works the best for me. I have flashed every rom that has come out and the only Rom that has speed and no Bluetooth problems is Jaguar 3.1 with Radio 2.47.00. I am on the AT&T network and have the 8125 G3. The newer roms I flashed seem to have problems with Bluetooth and battery drain, and thats even with the Battery drain fix.
"What works best for me might not work for others."
The reason the question keeps coming up is that the current method of generating 1000-post threads with bugs/fixes scattered throughout makes it basically impossible to know the "functionality" status of a ROM without actually installing it and waiting for the problems to appear...
What is really needed is a quick STANDARDIZED summary for each ROM, posted in its thread's FIRST POST that lists the currently identified/reported bugs. This list would have to be updated WEEKLY at a minimum in order to be considered "current".
Any ROM thread that doesn't maintain an active and accurate list in the FIRST POST should be DELETED to save everyone a LOT of time.
For example, key features should be listed as working/not working/patch required (i.e., wifi, bluetooth, GPRS/Edge, camera, battery usage, buttons, voice command, etc.) along with a specific and accurate description of the issues.
barky81 said:
The reason the question keeps coming up is that the current method of generating 1000-post threads with bugs/fixes scattered throughout makes it basically impossible to know the "functionality" status of a ROM without actually installing it and waiting for the problems to appear...
What is really needed is a quick STANDARDIZED summary for each ROM, posted in its thread's FIRST POST that lists the currently identified/reported bugs. This list would have to be updated WEEKLY at a minimum in order to be considered "current".
Any ROM thread that doesn't maintain an active and accurate list in the FIRST POST should be DELETED to save everyone a LOT of time.
For example, key features should be listed as working/not working/patch required (i.e., wifi, bluetooth, GPRS/Edge, camera, battery usage, buttons, voice command, etc.) along with a specific and accurate description of the issues.
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I did tried to do that with my roms and I am pretty sure that most of chefs here also...but as you can imagine it's really really hard and time consuming to develop a rom and then take care of ~500 + posts. People that really care about they're PDA's won't mind reading as much as possible until they know what they want and how to do it.
OK OK OK
I have experimented many Roms
TNT 1437 Touchflo
The touchflo is amazing! works fine.
issue on some performance...
no beam
sucks battery
slow at all, its working fine, but i try to recomend 10 mb page pool.
NBD V 7.X
To much problems with phone poor signal, no signal etc.
no beam IR, no NOTES. no excel.
Slow, TO much batery problems.
Octaivoi 5.8
I tried many roms, but this one is my favourite. Also he Blackdiamond 3.1 and nbd 9.1 are really good wm6 roms.
The cat rox!
Pumpiron579 said:
Jaguar 3.1 (AT&T) works the best for me. I have flashed every rom that has come out and the only Rom that has speed and no Bluetooth problems is Jaguar 3.1 with Radio 2.47.00. I am on the AT&T network and have the 8125 G3. The newer roms I flashed seem to have problems with Bluetooth and battery drain, and thats even with the Battery drain fix.
"What works best for me might not work for others."
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I also use Jaguar, and LOVE LOVE LOVE it. I have flashed soooooo many rom's...I swear I DO need a 12 step program. After all is said and done I keep coming back to my beloved Jaguar. It isn't Vanilla, but it also isn't jam packed with crap I will NEVER EVER use. It is a nice balance between the 2. It is VERY stable and allows many 3rd party programs to be installed while still giving space. It isn't the fastest, but it isn't slow by any means...and it is quicker than some. But again, I could care less about zippyness...this is a really nice and stable rom. The battery gets me a day, day and a half...not faboo, but other roms had me charging once or twice a day. BT is not an issue at all, as it is in some other roms. I installed the 5 button HTC Home without issue, even customized it- again without problems. I run SPB apps without problems, have easily 20 games (they don't lag), I watch movies and stream Orb as well as MobiTV with little lag issues. I'd highly recommend it. I too am running Radio 2.47 and have great connectivity.
That being said...the only bug I noticed is that for some crazy reason, active sync sometimes decides it does not want to sync...but I have also noticed this with other roms, so it may not be so much a Jaguar issue as perhaps a WM6 issue.
my two cents...
I'm running BlackDiamond 3.1 and its pretty stable, quick touchflo with cube and very few bugs that i've come across.
Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
Same here
I have experienced the same mate. I have tried God knows how many 6.1s and besides, they are looking great and neat (thanks to our brilliant chefs here), i didn't see any improvement on my tilt, just opposite. I have experienced annoying non responsive display, very slow response time, and there was a time when I had to press display several times before I was able to run anything on the phone... let alone the GPS.
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11 and I have to say that my Tilt has never been faster and more stabile. Moreover, GPS signal is much better and even works when I put kaiser near the window. It is cloudy and rainy here in Bosnia now, yet it took only 15sec before it received signal.
So, I have to say that this one works better for me.
Lately I too have had more issues that I wish to have. Just seems there is no perfect, or even close mix of ROM/Software that is good enough to be a daily use type. Not sure if the chefs are just over-doing or we just have a bad mix of software at this time. I do hope the chefs continue to work on a better ROM, I do know they try hard and should be commended for their efforts, but right now I may move back to an older version that just worked better. Maybe 6.0, but not quite sure yet.
This is nothing new..many have reverted back to 6.0. But for what its worth, I never have to wait longer than 45 seconds in the U.S. using the emo radio inside my car rain or shine.
After receiving a warranty replacement for my Kaiser, I'm now using the stock T-mobile UK rom, and it's far better than any WM6.1 cooked rom + radio that I've tried when it comes to GPS.
However, the battery life is probably not quite as good. The unit is just as fast as with any of the cooked roms I've tried.
I can't really think of any tangible benefits from using cooked roms, as this stock WM6 rom works well, and I can add any functionality I need by installing the right programs.
I use PointUI, so I would not benefit from the significant improvements to the WM gui that the cooks have produced.
However, I enjoy trying out new roms and seeing what the cooks come up with, so I may still do it anyway, just for the fun of it!
you are absolutely right and now i am going to downgrade to 6.0
GPS is nice to have on my phone but if I truly needed GPS I would have bought a truly more reliable (read: GPS Specific) device.
If I need directions I can still use Google Maps to plot the turns, on my own - like in the old days. *snicker*
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Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11
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BTW: What version of HardSPL are you using?
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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Sorry, duh, I guess we aren't talking about the development of ROMS, eh?
why
JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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... perhaps because it considers WM6.1 ROM development in the context of the WM6 platform for the Kaiser.
@tabashir --> Threaded SMS use PocketCM. I would be interested in a free replacement to the WM6.1 threaded SMS but http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php does not contain any details of this. Can you throw some light on this. Thx
[Edit - OK found threaded SMS using pocket CM thanks - will check it out thanks]
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
How's the video playback and game/ui performance on the stock 6.0?
a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on, another one is that when some major changes come in 6.1 i will not have major issues with upgrading my apps mms/sms etc... to the new ROM and not have to worry about radio's and hardspl as i would be already running it..
besides you guys forget, your running windows... i always reboot my phone and a good reason is because i change batteries so every 1-3days it will be rebooted, it mixes most of the small issues.
As far as GPS its always been the same, i havent ever bothered with GPS to be there for me, its just to aid me, i do use google maps which helps i never have used GPS to tell me were to drive i think that is insane, nor will i ever do it, i like to know exactly were to go and what my options are
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Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Try the newer rom(s) with manilla 2D (hyperdragon III is currently the only one publicly available). Newer is better.
I too switched to 6.0
tabashir said:
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
To be honest, 6.0 is much stable and less problematic so far compare to 6.1.
Most of the 6.1 problems (e.g. cleartype landscape) have some workaround solutions. But problem like the famous Activesync 86000107 still doesn't have any solution yet.
For me, the only advantage of 6.1 is much faster startup time, and overall system performance.
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a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on
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The 2D drivers could be a real benefit, but there's no advantage for me or most people having the 3D drivers installed at the moment.
I'll probably give Hyperdragon with TouchFlo 2D a go, but I would not be suprised if I end up sticking pointUI on it and have the exact same functionality and aesthetics as the stock rom. I hope I'm wrong!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
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I am done with problem 86000107, I want to go back to WM 6.0, Where did you find the official WM 6.0 ROM World wide English, and did you need to install a HardSPL or not ????
Thanks
Danny K.
[email protected]
Now we're talking little bout religion here, LoL.
There was times at beginning of WM6.1 issuance that with so many problems came with it i sometimes convert back to stock HTC WM6, or Schaps 4.30 (most good looking and well done cooked WM6 i tried). I remember it was only before July i keep converting back. Yett most of the time i did it only to get the feeling of what's right before and try to 'port' (find solution) the great feelings to the newer WM6.1.
Nowadays, WM6.1 already much familiarized by the chefs here and gained much tweaks. On a proper hand, it does make big difference in performance. My Kaiser is now running full fledged without any issues, it even have landscape cleartype enabled now for my liking (yet i don't do threaded sms). Faster, more stable, less power hungry, quicker gps fix, more instant screen rotation, than before.
Wow, what happened? It's because the wonder of this community, that's why. AFAIK, i have used several PDA and the conclusion is still the same: left to itself, Microsoft's (MS) product does sux big time. Without this community it will dragging its own feet to its graveyard. I think HTC at least a bit better than MS in adapting to market's demand (i truly belief many HTC engineers are member of this forum, much more than MS's). Cuz I saw some pattern in behaviour here.
Bottomline, WM6.1 is indeed much more problematic than WM6. Yet WM6 was also much more problematic than WM5, or 2003SE!
That's the way MS works, man, everytime they issue newer OS they try to include more functionalities, features, etc, while at the same time introducing more bugs than before. For example, who use windows vista here, care to share your experience with it? Cuz I don't. I even use winXP only after SP2 issued.
Never trust Micro$oft product! Just trust the power of users and communities who expanding it! Now my religion is not WM6.1, but rather, XDA-Devs. So in case next time XDA-Devs decided they have enough with WM,then i may join the convert to Android. Amen.
Just wondering how many people are like me and couldn't care less about the stability of their phone, as they have a second one, or are hermits that simply like the shiniest new toys.
I think it was Gullum that said he cooked the m3d beta into a rom and it was faster than not, so who all would be interested in a rom like that? All the software is mega buggy, but cooking it in might make things a little less crashtastic.
On a similar note, before I dust off the kaiser kitchen I barely used, are there any chefs working on this, or have one laying around? I'm really not too good at such things, which is why I previously gave up the misguided notion of cooking a while ago.
i dont mind most of the small bugs but the backlight issue is a deal breaker even for me
Fine With Me
I have an extra phone and never had that much sense anyway. Seriously, since I've been flashing my Kaiser and experimenting and probably moving towards fiddling with cooking a ROM (everyone starts somewhere), it would be a learning experience for me. I would like to try the beta.
I would love a ROM with all the features of HyperDragon III, but with the use of Manila3D instead. For me HDIII ROM is perfect in all the features it provides, so it would be hard to flash another ROM unless it incorporates the same functions.
Meanwhile, you can download / understand the bugs / follow the progress of Manila 3D here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430718
@cheezeman: each of us have different expectations from a ROM, let's not take absolute references.
Man, I'm so frustrated.
On other forums some people have mistakenly thought I'm against flashing custom ROMs. I'm not. I'd flash a custom ROM in a heartbeat. In fact, the reason I hang out here is I'm watching for "That ROM". I'm just not comfortable with the state of things on the Captivate. Here's the deal... it seems every single ROM is a compromise. I'm not talking about differences in themes, or what apps are included, etc... I'm talking basic functionality. Sometimes it's little things, sometimes it's big things... but always, you need to give stuff up. And I'll get the response, "yeah well stock is buggy too, so what's your point?". You know... sometimes the little things count. The details add to the experience. Maybe we want all the little things to actually work. Maybe you don't care about bluetooth, but I do. Etc.
Bluetooth. Haptic feedback. Battery life. Cell reception. GPS. Stability. Performance. Voice quality/Audience support. Pick the 3 you don't care about and are willing to give up.
Frustrating.
And a lot of it seems to come down to these "modem" files. Dozens floating about... everyone has their favorite like they have a favorite color. And they themselves come with compromises... use one, and A B and C work but X Y and Z don't. Use another, and it's the other way around... or maybe there's D E and F now. What works for one person doesn't work for another... and yet these are the same model phones. Oh, but wait... now it's passe to say "every phone is different". Like they are? They're the same hardware. But now we just accept for some reason that every Captivate is some random assembly of different chips and so using a ROM is an assumed matter of modem-roulette and deciding what features you want and what ones you're willing to sacrifice.
Why is this "ok"?
It's important to mention at this point that this is absolutely nothing against the hard-working developers here. I don't doubt for a moment that they are doing their absolute best with what they have available to them. It's not that, it's the culture... the community... the mindset. Are we being hypocrites? I mean, if we're just accepting now that every Captivate is unique hardware and no one ROM/modem will work ideal on all of them, why do we hold Samsung to a higher-standard like they themselves could ever produce an official and universal 2.2 firmware for the Captivate where everything actually works for everyone?
Something's not right here. I don't doubt that people get different results with different files... but these are different environments, and the testing not done consistently or scientifically. I don't think it's appropriate to act like the differences come from varying hardware when it's far more-likely that it's differences in other more-random things. Some people are in a primarily 1900 MHz area, some primarily in an 850MHz area. GPS is also environment-specific and someone with a modem that offers below-average GPS performance might report that the GPS is "amazing" simply because they're in an ideal spot. The hardware is the least likely aspect to vary. Surely there must be a solution... a better answer... a potential for a modem that actually works amazing for everyone. Where all bands are supported, GPS works amazing, Audience chip is supported, etc etc.
I just felt the need to vent. I'm not sure what the solution here is... I just feel we've gotten to casual just "accepting" a situation as something it's not, and shouldn't be. One shouldn't have to play modem-lotto just to get basic decent performance from their ROM, or decide what basic features they're willing to sacrifice. I know this is a huge discouragement for me, and why I'm still on stock. I want to flash so badly... but every ROM thread I read through I eventually hit at least one (if not several) deal-breakers, and the casual acceptance of them is just frustrating.
Anyone feel the same way? Thoughts?
I think your over analyizing.....im a flash junkie and I've flashed everything on the forums....I don't use my phone for business so almost every rom I use has everything I need functional...haptic feedback is not a reason for me not to use a rom but camera is.....along with flashing roms I mix matched different kernels and modems.....its all preference.....with the modem situation I just flash one and test it out until I have an issue then move onto the next...I thought jk4 was the best for me until I decided to try jk3. I've noticed I get reception in areas where I didn't with jk4....so ill test this one out for awhile....you can't sit and read until u read that u found the best......u just have to test it out for yourself...it sucks but that's what u get. I feel things wont get better for us until we get our official froyo release by att. Well have our noise cancellation chip working as well as a modem built for att usa. I had better cell service with captivate roms n modems then I do with i9000 ones but the i9000 roms are leagues ahead of any captivate ones
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Did you try Serendipity? It seems to do quite well on every item in your list.
I have not flashed for mostly the same reasons as you. It seems that every combination has different things that work and things that do not work. I want every function of my phone to work properly. That includes hardware noise cancellation and proper bluetooth support, which seem to be a major issue on i9000 ROMs/kernels/modems. My biggest issue with Captivate ROMs/kernels/modems is the apparent lack of support for bluetooth voice dialing. Now it is a fair argument that bluetooth voice dialing does not work on the AT&T 2.1 ROM, but it is not a supported feature of 2.1. It is a supported features of 2.2, so why shouldn't I (we) expect it to work? If a feature that is supposed to work in 2.2 does not work, that doesn't give me the best feeling about flashing the ROM.
I came over from the Windows Mobile side and I flashed custom ROMs on my Fuze without thinking twice, but there were never core or standard features of the phone or OS missing in the ROMs I flashed. I had bluetooth + voice dialing, good battery life, good cell reception, good working GPS, extremely good stability, great performance (for the hardware), and good voice quality with working noise cancellation in all the ROMs I ran.
I think that overall the devs here are doing a good job, and I think things will improve after the release of 2.2 sources for the captivate, but it seems that right now, there is a compromise involved in any of the custom ROMs.
I can accept the fact that the current ROMs don't meet my expectations, but when people say, "just start flashing" to people like myself who have higher expectations, it gets a little old. The attitude that only people willing to accept these compromises should be reading/contributing to the xda-developers forum is also annoying. I think it is great that there are people working on custom ROMs and there are people willing to run them with the compromises they have to make, but that does not mean that everyone should just be willing to make those compromises and if they are not willing they should not post.
I have made very few posts in the Captivate forum, I guess it could be said that I have been lurking and reading up on each new custom ROM as it comes out, waiting for one that seems to meet my expectations. I have not been vocal, or complained about the fact that we need to make compromises. But others that ask questions about whether certain things work, seem to get flamed and told to just accept the way things currently are, or they are completely ignored. If the devs don't want to answer questions such as, "does bluetooth voice dialing work," or "how is bluetooth voice quality in this ROM," then they should put this type of information directly in the first couple of posts. The newest Cognition ROM thread has this type of information and I greatly appreciate that DG included it. For most ROMs you can't find out if certain items work properly without reading the first 10-20 pages of posts.
Maybe the main issue for people like me (with higher expectations from my phone) is that good information about what works and what does not work often does not float to the top of the ROM dev threads. I started using xdandroid on my Fuze as my first introduction to Android and each phone that it ran on had a thread and on the first page was a listing of each major functional piece (sound, camera, bluetooth, etc) and whether or not it was working yet. Each developer can do as they choose, but if the status of functional items and known bugs was listed in the first page, it would save on questions and some of the less than helpful responses that the questions cause.
People also have to remember that only a leaked/unfinished Captivate 2.2 ROM has been made available as a base for some ROMs so there's no other choice for a complete Froyo ROM without resorting to i9000 ROMs. Expecting things to work from a unfinished leak is a bit different from having high standards.
GPS is also broken for some people whether they're on a stock ROM or not to begin with, devs can't magically make it work for everyone.
Cell reception is not 100% determined by a ROM, if I flash the "most amazing bestestst rom ever" and live in a remote forest with lead leaves, reception might just suck a little because it mainly depends on location.
No phone is the same believe it or not, maybe unless it's an iPhone. If you want something that works as it should perfectly, you probably shouldn't be flashing ROMs, because they are essentially in infinite beta until a dev doesn't want to work on it anymore. Either stick to the stock ROM, get an Aria or some other unlocked phone, or even an iPhone since that's probably most stable thing out there right now.
The ROM threads grow dozens of pages every hour, and posts will always get overlooked whether they are important or not. It still amazes me that people get confused when they start seeing an H instead of 3G. This is a development community and has several thousands and thousands of users at any given time. It is busy.
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People also have to remember that only a leaked/unfinished Captivate 2.2 ROM has been made available as a base for some ROMs so there's no other choice for a complete Froyo ROM without resorting to i9000 ROMs. Expecting things to work from a unfinished leak is a bit different from having high standards.
GPS is also broken for some people whether they're on a stock ROM or not to begin with, devs can't magically make it work for everyone.
Cell reception is not 100% determined by a ROM, if I flash the "most amazing bestestst rom ever" and live in a remote forest with lead leaves, reception might just suck a little because it mainly depends on location.
No phone is the same believe it or not, maybe unless it's an iPhone. If you want something that works as it should perfectly, you probably shouldn't be flashing ROMs, because they are essentially in infinite beta until a dev doesn't want to work on it anymore. Either stick to the stock ROM, get an Aria or some other unlocked phone, or even an iPhone since that's probably most stable thing out there right now.
The ROM threads grow dozens of pages every hour, and posts will always get overlooked whether they are important or not. It still amazes me that people get confused when they start seeing an H instead of 3G. This is a development community and has several thousands and thousands of users at any given time. It is busy.
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For the American SGS phones, I was not trying to suggest that the developers can "fix" the GPS (though it is worth noting that Da_G has made some good progress http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881941).
I don't completely disagree with many of your points, which is why I am still running the stock ROM. If I had two phones, I would be willing to beta test unfinished software and ROMs, but since I only have 1 phone that I expect to work (or more accurately, my company who pays for it expects it to work) I have not flashed any of the current firmwares that are available.
I think cell reception has a lot more to do with the Radio/Modem than the ROM. If you have a working modem and that modem functions with the ROM, then it should give you the same reception. I think one of the main points the OP was making was that there is no apparent consistency, and some modems work with some ROMs, and not with others. It does not even seem to be accurate to say that any i9000 modem will work with any i9000 ROM, as some combinations cause poor voice quality or other issues.
I do disagree with your statement that "no phone is the same." Any Captivate in the same batch/build should have identical hardware and should function identically (assuming Samsung has good quality controls in place). There is the potential for slight differences between batches, but I can't believe that any of those differences is significant enough to cause software running on the phones to behave differently. If that is the case, there is no way that Samsung can release a working Froyo build, or even a working Eclair build that would function as intended on every captivate. If Samsung was unable to produce identical products consistently, they would be out of business because none of their products would function as intended consistently.
As far as "expecting things to work from a unfinished leak is a bit different from having high standards," I don't think it is unreasonable for better visibility to what works and what does not work in the first page of a ROM thread. I am not saying that I expect everything to work 100% on all ROMs, especially without 2.2 sources, and I am not saying I expect the devs to be able to test every possible things, but I don't think it is unreasonable to hope that as bugs or problems or ROM/Kernel/Modem combinations that do not work are discovered, that information could be made more accessible without reading 100 pages of a ROM thread.
Hopefully most of this is just growing pains as Android is evolving and as we wait for 2.2 sources for the Captivate. For Windows Mobile, much of the OS and functionality of the OS was pretty much set between ROMs. The biggest differences were in the frameworks (Sense vs. Non-Sense, etc) and theming of the ROMs. That is why I have said in the past that if we could get a solid, working AOSP ROM with all drivers, etc for the SGS, it would give a good base for additional ROM development.