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[Q] leaving the Transformer connected to the charger good or bad?

Hello everyone
I was wondering if its ok to leave the transformer connected to the charger.
Is it like the Evo with trickle down when it reaches 100%
I dont want to over charge it. If it were my laptop i would disconnect the battery at full charge. But its not possible to do that with the transformer.
I want to keep my cycle count low and prevent over charing.
I also wonder what happens in a few years when the battery is shot...

Charging is what damages Li-Ion batteries... I'd recommend not keeping it on the charger all the time. Android will purposely not keep the battery at 100% to help avoid some damage.
Li-ion prefer to be around 20-80% charge.

When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.

These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?

Ravynmagi said:
These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?
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They do. There are other threads asking why thier TF's don't show 100% when unplgged from the charger. Same as it does on my Evo.

I think pretty much every modern device recognizes a full charge and responds accordingly. In fact, MacBooks will throttle performance if the battery ISN'T kept in while the system is running on A/C.
Heat will damage a battery, but it's not heat from charging but heat from operation. If a notebook is poorly designed and the battery is near a heat source, then removing the battery might be a good idea (except with the aforementioned MacBooks), but that's independent of the charging issue.
I think it's fine to keep it plugged in. These devices are smart enough to manage such things. Of course, the TF's charging cable's so short it's hard to use when plugged in, but that's a different issue entirely.

CalvinH said:
When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.
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From what I understand this process cannot and will not kill the battery. This did happen in the old type of batteries with the ,emory effect but these new batteries and the OS's management system for charging does not allow the battery to be killed.
it will heat up and that would happen as there is a flow of electricity but not to a level that would kill the battery.
Cheers

IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
Cheers,
gpearson1968

gpearson1968 said:
IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
Cheers,
gpearson1968
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Yes that's normal. It's meant to take about 3hrs.

Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.

I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?

error12 said:
Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.
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batteries will degrade over time....would you be keeping this tablet for over 2-3 years? a simple battery change could work if ever needed

I am no expert, but I have spent some time searching around the internet looking for information on the best methods for improving the life of a battery. Most of the information I have found said it is bad to completely discharge a Li-polymer battery. The articarles stated it was best to charge the battery when it reaches 20% to avoid shortening its life.
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Batteries are like muscles - they like to be exercised.
Leaving the unit plugged in WILL NOT HURT YOUR BATTERY. Period. The charging circuitry in modern devices is smart enough to cut current to the battery once it has reached a certain level of resistance.
Batteries do not like being deeply discharged. Most devices will shut off before the battery gets too deeply discharged, but it's never a good idea to tempt fate by running it until the device shuts off.
What really determines a battery's life is the number of cycles it has been put through. A cycle would be a full charge followed by a full (or to a lower end threshold) discharge.
The old original Lithium Ion batteries used in laptops would usually last about 300 full cycles or so - about a year if you used it on the battery every day. Partial discharges of course only count as fractions of a cycle.
Given the life of these types of devices, considering we'll likely upgrade to the next big thing in a year or so, I don't think anyone here will come close to 'wearing out' a battery.

EMINENT1 said:
I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?
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As stated, these are Li-Ion batteries, and they do not need to be trained. The only reason you might need to do any training is to calibrate Android's understanding of the battery (although I doubt you need to do a full discharge for that, either).
It's not going to suddenly kill it, but it will over time hurt your battery's life.

I went ahead and did a full discharge/charge cycle, but only because Asus said to do so in the manual. Maybe the copywriter just copied/pasted from a circa 1990's manual for a device with a NiCd battery, but I figured if they're suggesting it, I might as well do it.

Who started this Lithion Ion battery conditioning.

There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies. For a number of years now, the advice has been to fully drain a new rechargeble battery at least three times in a row, then do so at least once a month from then on in order to ‘condition’ it. This is designed to prevent ‘memory’ effects and to prolong the life and capacity of the rechargeable battery.
Unfortunately, it appears that this advice is not only incorrect but could be causing battery damage in that it’s reducing the shelf-life of your equipment.
Modern Li-ion batteries apparently do not suffer from memory effects. All that matters is how many recharging cycles they support. The more cycles they are put through, the less effective they become at holding a charge down the line. The caveat, however, is that you can accelerate their decline by forcing them to drain deeper and deeper.
According to Battery University, the depth-of-discharge on a Li-ion device will determine its ultimate cycle count. What this means in practice is that you should recharge your battery frequently and let it drain as little as possible in between recharges. Partial discharges are better.
As expected, high temperatures are also disastrous to the lifespan of Li-ion batteries. Interestingly, high-voltage charging has a similar effect. Higher voltages will charge the battery faster but damage it. The article suggests that user-regulated voltages for laptop batteries might be a useful way to allow the consumer to decide which is more important to them in their daily useage – faster recharge or longer life.
Always store a Li-ion battery full charged. Not doing so will reduce its lifespan and capacity.
Similarly, it would seem that keeping it connected to a power supply when it is 100% charged is not very wise either.

Thanks for posting this! I was wondering something similar after I got my Sensation. I was looking to improve my battery life and was wondering if the fact that I've let my battery discharge irregularly only a handful of times along with hardly ever leaving it off the USB laptop cable at home had anything to do with it. I'll be sure not to discharge it unnecessarily from now on.

Tacjim said:
There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies. For a number of years now, the advice has been to fully drain a new rechargeble battery at least three times in a row, then do so at least once a month from then on in order to ‘condition’ it. This is designed to prevent ‘memory’ effects and to prolong the life and capacity of the rechargeable battery.
Unfortunately, it appears that this advice is not only incorrect but could be causing battery damage in that it’s reducing the shelf-life of your equipment.
Modern Li-ion batteries apparently do not suffer from memory effects. All that matters is how many recharging cycles they support. The more cycles they are put through, the less effective they become at holding a charge down the line. The caveat, however, is that you can accelerate their decline by forcing them to drain deeper and deeper.
According to Battery University, the depth-of-discharge on a Li-ion device will determine its ultimate cycle count. What this means in practice is that you should recharge your battery frequently and let it drain as little as possible in between recharges. Partial discharges are better.
As expected, high temperatures are also disastrous to the lifespan of Li-ion batteries. Interestingly, high-voltage charging has a similar effect. Higher voltages will charge the battery faster but damage it. The article suggests that user-regulated voltages for laptop batteries might be a useful way to allow the consumer to decide which is more important to them in their daily useage – faster recharge or longer life.
Always store a Li-ion battery full charged. Not doing so will reduce its lifespan and capacity.
Similarly, it would seem that keeping it connected to a power supply when it is 100% charged is not very wise either.
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I have to disagree with this to an extent, as its preferred to discharge and recharge the first times, as it freshens the cells and calibrates the phone to the battery.
But after this you should recharge it when it's at 30-40%
Also you should not leave a lithium batter fully charged when storing it, but rather have it at 60% and throw it in the refrigerator. This is what i have been doing to all mine batteries, but don't let it freeze though, this will harm the battery!

There's nothing worse than a know-it-all Uni student! If there's a real technician or scientist on the matter I would like to hear their advice.
As I am a mechanical technician I use a variety of battery powered tools all of which are Li-ion, I like to condition all my batteries but for the few that cannot be conditioned due to lack of time those particular batteries are, weaker, last less time and overall die out faster.

Flashmore said:
There's nothing worse than a know-it-all Uni student! If there's a real technician or scientist on the matter I would like to hear their advice.
As I am a mechanical technician I use a variety of battery powered tools all of which are Li-ion, I like to condition all my batteries but for the few that cannot be conditioned due to lack of time those particular batteries are, weaker, last less time and overall die out faster.
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Haha, it's not a Uni student, its batter university, a well known webpage
http://batteryuniversity.com/

Utking said:
Haha, it's not a Uni student, its batter university, a well known webpage
http://batteryuniversity.com/
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I see, so I suppose it just posted this all on its own?

Flashmore said:
I see, so I suppose it just posted this all on its own?
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No this man did: Isidor Buchmann
http://www.cadex.com/about/people.asp
http://www.myistop.com/blogs/greenbatterys/isidor-buchmann-battery
http://nutsvolts.texterity.com/nutsvolts/200612/?folio=58#pg58
I believe i can say i trust him

Are you sure? sounds more like Dracula's side kick, haha

Utking said:
I have to disagree with this to an extent, as its preferred to discharge and recharge the first times, as it freshens the cells and calibrates the phone to the battery.
But after this you should recharge it when it's at 30-40%
Also you should not leave a lithium batter fully charged when storing it, but rather have it at 60% and throw it in the refrigerator. This is what i have been doing to all mine batteries, but don't let it freeze though, this will harm the battery!
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This is exactly what I do. Last time I drained a phone down to 0% it killed the battery and wouldn't hold charge like it used to (was fine before I did it). Was on an old LG. Same thing happened to a friends phone too. From then on I try and tell everyone to never do it as well.

While I'm sure you have your sources, I have to disagree. When I got my vibrant, I didn't condition it at all, battery life was horrible. I bought a new battery (the same one), conditioned it, and it was 10000x better.
But I do agree that batteries have become much greater than they used to be about this.
Batteries are always a fun topic

This comes from rooted phones and batterystats.bin
It's recommended when you flash your new ROM that you turn off the phone. Than fully charge it. And while still charging removing batterystats.bin so your android phone knows 100% and than let it die down so it knows 0%.
I think that is where this all came from.

Flashmore said:
There's nothing worse than a know-it-all Uni student! If there's a real technician or scientist on the matter I would like to hear their advice.
As I am a mechanical technician I use a variety of battery powered tools all of which are Li-ion, I like to condition all my batteries but for the few that cannot be conditioned due to lack of time those particular batteries are, weaker, last less time and overall die out faster.
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The only thing I'm trying to do is help people from shortening the life of their batteries by listening to people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. Since you seem to spout out that "unconditioned" lithium Ion batteries are weaker, last less time and die out faster...lets see some professional resources from your "know it all" conclusion?

By no means an expert, just putting in my 2cent, i think people seem to mix the ideas of battery conditioning and recalibration. I think it IS useful to recalibrate batteries by draining the battery to 0% so the phone can recognize the accurate battery levels. However in terms of the battery, its always the same and there is no "reconditioning". the drain/recharge cycle is only useful for the PHONE for accurate recognition of battery level.

personally, i havn't bought into the conditioning aspect.. i can afford the $10-$15 it takes to replace a battery when it dies out and i always charge before it is dead (min 30%); (on the sensation so i dont lose temp root) but also because usually it would take 10 minutes or so for it to get enough juice to turn back on (in the iphones/touch's case.. but in any case i had always learnt that NiMH batteries you could drain fully and make sure to fully charge before you use them again; whereas Li-ion you could charge at 30% keep your good life and use the device at the same time pretty simple really

c19932 said:
By no means an expert, just putting in my 2cent, i think people seem to mix the ideas of battery conditioning and recalibration. I think it IS useful to recalibrate batteries by draining the battery to 0% so the phone can recognize the accurate battery levels. However in terms of the battery, its always the same and there is no "reconditioning". the drain/recharge cycle is only useful for the PHONE for accurate recognition of battery level.
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Agreed. From what I've read this hasn't anything to do with battery capacity or memory effect, it's so the phone can calibrate itself correctly to the battery inserted using the batterystats file giving a better indication of peak to zero.

Tacjim said:
The only thing I'm trying to do is help people from shortening the life of their batteries by listening to people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. Since you seem to spout out that "unconditioned" lithium Ion batteries are weaker, last less time and die out faster...lets see some professional resources from your "know it all" conclusion?
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Well you know what they say it takes one to know one!
As well as that I havent "spouted" anything (well not here anyway hehe)
My conclusion is this, dont believe everything you read, what a cliché
Seriously though I already gave my "real" practical know-it-all conclusion so unless you have somethijng to disprove it go and you know what

will fast charging will damage battery.?
I want to use fast charger for Nexus 5. Original charger gives 5.6 volts and 1.2 Ampere output.
Some post I found on xda which shows that fast charging working perfect on nexus 5,
can OP tell me that fast charging will affect battery or not? If it affects then how can I find its getting affected?
Thread which shows nexus 5 fast charging works perfectly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo.../hands-best-fastest-cheapest-nexus-5-t2729066

[Q] How to recharge the over-discharged battery?

Hi all.
I've over-discharged my stock battery and now it doesn't charge. It lights up green as soon as I plug the charger. I've tried different chargers but didn't help.
I've made this using short circuit so don't think it's related to Sensation. You may ask why I tought over-discharging may solve the touchscreen issues. Don't know if it's solved because phone doesn't open.
Do you have any advice to restore the battery rather that getting a new battery? I've already ordered new battery though.

Certain laptop battery manufacturers use a circuit which stores battery charge information, but is itself, "kept alive" by the residual current in (even a dead) battery.
I've seen the case on a number of times that discharging below the "allowed" level causes this circuit to fail, thus the communication between battery and device is incorrect, inaccurate or, at worst, not there at all.
(this is why there are more than just + - on your battery)
You could find the correct recharge rate for the battery - current and voltage - and charge it manually, and hope that said 'battery state circuit' comes back to life, but honestly, I think you'll be, as they say, SOL.
I've had perfectly good laptop batteries, holding a full charge, having a great discharge rate, but the laptop would refuse to accept it, just because of this little circuit.
WARNING: Charging / over charging / charging in a way other than in accordance with the original device literature can VERY likely cause the battery to fail completely, including, but not limited to FIRE or EXPLOSION! DO NOT PROCEED UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LiPo (and LiIon for that matter) are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when used wrongly!
All the above said, have fun, don't blow yourself up, and let us know how you get on. Also, from a personal point of view, I'd be interested to know the 'technical reasons' behind the thought that over-discharging could solve the touch-screen problem - can you remember where you got the info originally?

Figure_desire said:
Hi all.
I've over-discharged my stock battery and now it doesn't charge. It lights up green as soon as I plug the charger. I've tried different chargers but didn't help.
I've made this using short circuit so don't think it's related to Sensation. You may ask why I tought over-discharging may solve the touchscreen issues. Don't know if it's solved because phone doesn't open.
Do you have any advice to restore the battery rather that getting a new battery? I've already ordered new battery though.
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wtf? did you shortcut the battery or the phone? if shortcut the battery it my be blown. Anywyas you could try jump charging it, unplug and plug it in fast, or put it in a outlet which has a switch and try toggling it on and off for some minutes, you may be able to jump it up to the voltage it needs to start charge

niddnet said:
Certain laptop battery manufacturers use a circuit which stores battery charge information, but is itself, "kept alive" by the residual current in (even a dead) battery.
I've seen the case on a number of times that discharging below the "allowed" level causes this circuit to fail, thus the communication between battery and device is incorrect, inaccurate or, at worst, not there at all.
(this is why there are more than just + - on your battery)
You could find the correct recharge rate for the battery - current and voltage - and charge it manually, and hope that said 'battery state circuit' comes back to life, but honestly, I think you'll be, as they say, SOL.
I've had perfectly good laptop batteries, holding a full charge, having a great discharge rate, but the laptop would refuse to accept it, just because of this little circuit.
WARNING: Charging / over charging / charging in a way other than in accordance with the original device literature can VERY likely cause the battery to fail completely, including, but not limited to FIRE or EXPLOSION! DO NOT PROCEED UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LiPo (and LiIon for that matter) are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when used wrongly!
All the above said, have fun, don't blow yourself up, and let us know how you get on. Also, from a personal point of view, I'd be interested to know the 'technical reasons' behind the thought that over-discharging could solve the touch-screen problem - can you remember where you got the info originally?
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This is my second unit and it has touchscreen problems too. I'm not an expert but here is why I did that.
My phone was working normally and had %20 battery left. I went outside and didn't have extra battery or charger so I've used my friend's USB cable and lapto to charge it. After it reached to 44% I unplugged it and saw touchscreen issues started. I've searched and remembered some advices from XDA like discharging and charging may solve it so I gave it a try but it didn't help. Then tried over-discharging and charging but stock here.
What do you mean by charge it manually?

Utking said:
wtf? did you shortcut the battery or the phone? if shortcut the battery it my be blown. Anywyas you could try jump charging it, unplug and plug it in fast, or put it in a outlet which has a switch and try toggling it on and off for some minutes, you may be able to jump it up to the voltage it needs to start charge
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I did short circuit the battery I know sounds crazy but I'm sick of touchscreen issues. Are you saying that I may try connecting it an appropriate charger's output directly like + > + , - > - ?

I'm saying, chances are, it's wrecked. You shouldn't really discharge batteries by short-circuit - that puts massive stresses on the structure of the cells in the battery and probably completely ruins it.
It can also cause excessive heat, which can lead to nasty things happening.
Recharging the battery by connecting + to + and - to - is theoretically possible, however, to do this SAFELY, you would need to know the manufacturer's recommended charge rate, times, voltages etc. They differ greatly.
Do it too slowly, and you just result in a very inefficient trickle-charge, which can sometimes do more harm than good....
Do it too fast - cells in the battery become gaseous, the gas vents, and you have fiery explosions... also not good.
Seriously - I would strongly recommend against playing with it. If you want to see what CAN happen when it goes wrong, YouTube it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw
Insane amounts of energy stored in these batteries

niddnet said:
I'm saying, chances are, it's wrecked. You shouldn't really discharge batteries by short-circuit - that puts massive stresses on the structure of the cells in the battery and probably completely ruins it.
It can also cause excessive heat, which can lead to nasty things happening.
Recharging the battery by connecting + to + and - to - is theoretically possible, however, to do this SAFELY, you would need to know the manufacturer's recommended charge rate, times, voltages etc. They differ greatly.
Do it too slowly, and you just result in a very inefficient trickle-charge, which can sometimes do more harm than good....
Do it too fast - cells in the battery become gaseous, the gas vents, and you have fiery explosions... also not good.
Seriously - I would strongly recommend against playing with it. If you want to see what CAN happen when it goes wrong, YouTube it!!
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Yesterday I connected the battery which is stock 3.7 V to the my digital camera's charger which is 4.25 V, 0.25 A, 50-60 Hz with cables for 6 hours but didn't work. BTW, stock charger is 5V, 1 A and 50-60 Hz.
Can I try jump charge with this camera's charger? If I can, how fast should I connect and disconnect the cable?

That's exactly what I'm talking about.
It should be noted that the Sensation stock battery is LiIon, rather than LiPo, but the effects can be very similar, and just as disasterous if that happens when your battery is in the vicinity of.... anything!!!

I think it's dead mate =/ but just switch it on and off a couple of times in a second

Utking said:
I think it's dead mate =/ but just switch it on and off a couple of times in a second
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Couple of times in a second? I'm not a Flash man Or Shelden Cooper
Just tried but didn't work.

Short circuited battery? Hopefully it wasn't in the phone. Battery is dead, get Anker.

tinky1 said:
Short circuited battery? Hopefully it wasn't in the phone. Battery is dead, get Anker.
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Already ordered stock battery. When Anker is available to Europe I will order it too.

Figure_desire said:
Already ordered stock battery. When Anker is available to Europe I will order it too.
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Then buy the chichitek one, it's awesome and lasts just as long as the anker, if not longer, and they ship to europe! i got two chichitek batteries+ charger for 25$ usd inc shipping to norway

[GUIDE] How to prolong the life of your Li-Ion battery

First off this isn't a guide about how to make your battery last longer between charges, at least it isn't yet. If a demand arises I will happily facilitate. *EDIT* For simplicity's sake I am including a link to V7's battery guide which addresses increasing the time between charges. ✭[GUIDE][26-07-2016]Extreme Battery Life Thread(Greenify+Amplify+Power Nap)✭This guide is about reducing wear that happens from many thing we all either knowingly do; out of a possible misunderstanding, or ignorance. All of this information is available doing a simple Google search, I am posting it here though for those who otherwise would not think to Google it. Furthermore I claim credit for absolutely none of this, but I do hope you find it helpful.
HOW TO PROLONG YOUR Li-Ion BATTERY'S LIFE​
1) Keep your battery at room temperature: Heat is the worst enemy of your cell phones battery. So keeping your battery at room temperature (65-75*F) is the first step towards prolonging your battery's life. According to Battery University
each 8°C (15°F) rise in temperature cuts the life of a sealed lead acid battery in half.
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They also go on further adding
Once the battery is damaged by heat, the capacity cannot be restored.
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There are many things you can do to keep your battery cooler, such as taking it off the charger when the phone is done charging, and avoiding prolonged continuous usage. Also avoid leaving your phone in your car, it gets upwards of 140* in a car during the summer. The worst thing that can happen to a Li-Ion battery is a full charge and high heat, so avoid charging your phone until your car has cooled off if you are charging your battery in the car. Heat is by far the greatest factor when it comes to reducing the lifespan of a Li-Ion battery.
2) Use partial-discharge cycles: According to lancair.net
Using only 20% or 30% of the battery capacity before recharging will extend cycle life considerably
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Other sites I read while researching this stated that users should use up to 80% of their energy before recharging, they were all consistent with regards to a few things including: avoiding full discharges will prolong battery life, and it takes several partial charges to use one full charge cycle. Additionally Li-Ion batteries do not have "charge memory", but your digital device most likely does. Discharging the battery until cut off after every 30 charge cycles re calibrates the devices gauge.
3) Avoid keeping your battery at 100%: Every source I referenced for this guide said the same thing about keeping your battery at a full capacity, but oranageinks.com explains it most simply by stating
Permanent capacity loss is greatest at elevated temperatures with the battery voltage maintained at maximum (fully charged).
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4) If you are going to store your battery for an extended period store it at about 50% charged: This goes hand-in-hand with number 3. Also keeping the battery cool during extended storage will slow deterioration. Keeping the battery in a sealed bag or tupperware in your refrigerator is okay, but storing your battery in the freezer is not. When a battery is fully charged oxidation is occurring at its highest rate, and oxidation is essential corrosion. Oxidation occurs whether the battery is in use or not, for this reason it is better to get a high capacity battery rather than a spare. So with this said it almost should go without saying that if you can, buy batteries with a recent manufacture date.
5) Avoid completely discharging your battery: Lancair.com states:
Very deep discharges will quickly, permanently damage a Li-ion battery. Internal metal plating can occur causing a short circuit, making the battery unusable and unsafe. Most Li-ion batteries have protection circuitry within their battery packs that open the battery connection if the battery voltage is less than 2.5 V or exceeds 4.3 V, or if the battery current exceeds a predefined threshold level when charging or is charging
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now that explain why my battery drain so fast,my phone temperature is a bit high these days,thank you :good

I decrease my battry drain with installing som suitable kernal
this way realy effective in my device battry mangement

You're absolutely right, and you hit the nail on the head,
Saeedblack said:
realy[sic] effective in my device battry[sic] mangement
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But the physical battery itself needs care too. Device battery management is more related to how much power the CPU sees that the device has. Understanding how a Li-Ion battery works is kinda important at this point. So basically the positive electrode is made of Lithium cobalt oxide (cathode), or LiCoO2. The negative electrode is made of carbon (anode). When the battery is charging, ions of lithium move through the electrolyte from the positive electrode to the negative electrode and attach to the carbon. During discharge, the lithium ions move back to the LiCoO2 from the carbon. Over time the Lithium ions bond to the carbon thereby restricting the flow, creating resistance which decreases the battery's ability to deliver current. So properly caring for your battery is really the only thing that will slow the inevitable. Its kinda the same thing for a car...all cars eventually die, but if you take care of them they will last much longer than if you neglect them.

Thanks for this. It's not the usually same guide for battery improvementent.
My battery life got a little better.

Thanks mate, that's some good information.

Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.

It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.

azraelus said:
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
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YES you are slowly burning the battery out, by draining it after every flash. The battery is going to die inevitably anyways though, most of the sources I found suggest doing a "full drain" every 30 charge cycles. Perhaps this is when you should go ahead and do your battery calibration. Also a full drain is not exactly self-explanatory in this case. Your device may say that a battery has 1% of its energy left and to an extent it does, but the battery is designed to cut off before it gets too hot or too low. If you have a tendency to cut your phone back on after it dies then you will deplete the battery completely, possibly resulting in permanent damage.
adrian816 said:
It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
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Yes O/C can raise temperatures of the device. Certain kernels run a little hotter than others. My device is currently O/C'd and isn't any hotter than normal when I am not using the device due to CPU governors and what not, and its only marginally hotter than it is when at the stock clock speed. Prolonged heavy use takes a toll on the battery, due to the heat its creating. Also don't let the little bit of heat increase stop you from O/C'ing your device. Many manufacturers use the same cpu with different clock speeds, EX Snapdragon S3 chip is used in the EVO 3D @ 1.2GHz, and the HTC Rezound @ 1.5GHZ from the factory. This is done to reduce power consumption on power hungry phones or to extend the life of a cpu that has proven itself reliable(such as in the example of the Snapdragon S3)...it also helps to market devices without spending more on development.

Good adwise! :good:

This is all very good advice. A lot of it I knew, but I learned a couple new things as well. Glad to see someone making it more easily available to our community!
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Found this same information when researching my netbook battery.Turns out there is a good reason it will sleep/hybernate/power off at 3 percent, can damage a cell. On the upside this one will charge faster.

Thanks for the information.
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Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.

Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks

Jane Shizuka said:
Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
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Yea that's pretty much the gist of it...heavy use while charging creates even more heat than just heavy use or just charging. Since doing the research for this thread I've been doing things a little differently myself. Instead of leaving it on the charger most of the day I charge it at night and use it til about 50% then charge it up to 80%...it may be in my head but I highly doubt it. Doing as I described I have had 1 full charge (from 40% to 100%) and a top off charge (50% to 80%) and my device has been on since yesterday morning (so 36 hours+ with only a 30% top off charge). This is with moderate use, and my phone is currently at 70%...MUCH better than before though.
This guide is still meant more for longer term physical battery care, but it appears to have helped extend time between charges.
zlc1 said:
Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
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Try a different kernel, or underclocking your phone, that should help with the heat.

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind!

Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?

ryanshady said:
Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
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That is about the point the device will cut off, but if you turn it back on like I used to until the device won't turn back on that's when the battery is completely discharged. Battery University goes on to say
Each cycle wears the battery down by a small amount. A partial discharge before charge is better than a full discharge. Apply a deliberate full discharge only to calibrate a smart battery and to prevent “memory” on a nickel-based pack.
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Link to article HERE
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i wish there's a way to stop charging once it reaches 85-95% like my laptop...

IF the Lithium-ion battery in my phone was to die, would it still work plugged in?

A theoretical question... IF the Lithium-ion battery in any modern phone or tablet etc was to completely die, would it still work plugged in?
But more importantly I want to know IF the battery in my phone was being completely dead right now, because of wear and tear and charging it alot, could I still use my phone with a micro USB powerpack/battery bank constantly connected to it?
Thanks

simonwela said:
A theoretical question... IF the Lithium-ion battery in any modern phone or tablet etc was to completely die, would it still work plugged in?
But more importantly I want to know IF the battery in my phone was being completely dead right now, because of wear and tear and charging it alot, could I still use my phone with a micro USB powerpack/battery bank constantly connected to it?
Thanks
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generally speaking, no and no.

bweN diorD said:
generally speaking, no and no.
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Alright. But I guess if there's like 10% of the capacity of the battery left, like a couple years from now, it could work maybe? If you have a phone with a non-changeable battery.

It is possible bro

Like the above said, if the battery is not completely dead and has some capacity left, it will work. But it case the battery is completely dead it will not.

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Alright. But I guess if there's like 10% of the capacity of the battery left, like a couple years from now, it could work maybe? If you have a phone with a non-changeable battery.
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yes, if there is any battery left it will work, but you asked if it were possible if the battery was "completely dead", in which case my answer of no is accurate.
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It is possible bro
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if the battery is "completely dead", no, its not.

If battery is 100% dead then.
Grab a charger and multiply the current written on it with 100.
If the value is somewatn very close ro the battery mAh then that charget could so the trick.
And charger above 1.8A is really hard to get. So to charge bayteries more than 2000mAh can be hard.
Who knows what will work try out the method with 2800mAh . may be it works

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If battery is 100% dead then.
Grab a charger and multiply the current written on it with 100.
If the value is somewatn very close ro the battery mAh then that charget could so the trick.
And charger above 1.8A is really hard to get. So to charge bayteries more than 2000mAh can be hard.
Who knows what will work try out the method with 2800mAh . may be it works
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your help is appreciated, but you shouldnt comment on such things you know nothing about.
i can get chargers over 1.8a all day no problem.
im not sure what you are trying to explain with all the charger vs battery stuff, but there was no question of an adequate charger.
you seem to be suggesting charging at a higher rate will some how revive a dead battery.
thats just not true. if the battery is dead from reaching the end of its life span as the op suggests in his query, it can not be revived.
further more, you could use a 1,000,000mah charger and it would do or fix nothing.
as long as the charger used can output the amount required by the phone, it doesnt matter how big the charger is beyond that.
there is a charging circuit in all devices that regulate the rate the batteries charge to prevent damage to the battery or device.
chargers dont push out the a or ma listed on them, that value of amperage is the maximum that can be pulled from it.

bweN diorD said:
yes, if there is any battery left it will work, but you asked if it were possible if the battery was "completely dead", in which case my answer of no is accurate.
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I understand. Thanks for the answer!
I have an old laptop (like 10 years old), that has a completely dead battery and won't boot if it isn't plugged in, but it does work when it's plugged in, so I thought that maybe it would be the same thing here, but of course not, it makes sense that it's different.
But even with a new, modern phone, I guess it would be hard to completely kill the battery, even when charging it alot?
I mean, even if I would charge it 2 times everyday for 5 years, maybe it would still have some percent left of it's battery capacity, maybe 10% or something, and then it would work.

simonwela said:
I understand. Thanks for the answer!
I have an old laptop (like 10 years old), that has a completely dead battery and won't boot if it isn't plugged in, but it does work when it's plugged in, so I thought that maybe it would be the same thing here, but of course not, it makes sense that it's different.
But even with a new, modern phone, I guess it would be hard to completely kill the battery, even when charging it alot?
I mean, even if I would charge it 2 times everyday for 5 years, maybe it would still have some percent left of it's battery capacity, maybe 10% or something, and then it would work.
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its fairly rare to see a battery go completely dead from just being worn out. usually users will replace it when it gets to some point of limited usefulness.
sure some times they die from defect, and some times they die from users running down until 0 and the phone shuts off.
the latter trips a safety in the battery and makes it all but useless. this can be fixed, but thats another discussion.
i dont know how laptop batteries work with respect to charge.
phones though, i have seen from experience. when the battery is completely dead the phone will not start even plugged in, until it takes a small amount of charge, to be able to sustain the device on the battery while charging.
as long as your battery can sustain this minimal amount of charge, it should work while plugged in.
there really is no way to tell if, or how long, it will be able to maintain this low charge state. any stress on the battery from heavy use is likely to cause it to shut off until it reaches the minimum threshold again.
also when the battery is this weak, its possible for some sort of internal fault, resulting in the loss of ability to accept even the smallest of charge.
if your battery gets to this weak state, its best to just get a new one. even if its a cheap knock off that doesnt work as good as the old one used to. at least you will have something to work with, and not be worried from day to day if it will work or not.
i hope this clears things up for you

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its fairly rare to see a battery go completely dead from just being worn out. usually users will replace it when it gets to some point of limited usefulness.
sure some times they die from defect, and some times they die from users running down until 0 and the phone shuts off.
the latter trips a safety in the battery and makes it all but useless. this can be fixed, but thats another discussion.
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Oh, that's good to know.
And I'm not so worried about that, I never let my phone drop below 10% and most often I charge it when it hits 20% and charge it up to 90%. I believe that's the best for the battery.
I am kinda regretting now that I bought a Xperia Z5C though, I don't like that the battery isn't changeable. But it's a great phone other than that, so I think it will be okay. And the battery is quite high capacity so I hope that it will work fine for at least 3 years, even if I charge it daily.
ETA: Interestingly, I had a Xperia Z1 before this phone, and I had the Z1 for a litte more than 2 years, and charged it almost everyday, and the battery on it was fine, or more than that, it was Good, I was getting 4-5 hours screen time on a charge just a month ago.. So??? I shouldn't be worrying about this anymore and instead enjoy my new phone
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i hope this clears things up for you
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It did! Thank you.

simonwela said:
Oh, that's good to know.
And I'm not so worried about that, I never let my phone drop below 10% and most often I charge it when it hits 20% and charge it up to 90%. I believe that's the best for the battery.
I am kinda regretting now that I bought a Xperia Z5C though, I don't like that the battery isn't changeable. But it's a great phone other than that, so I think it will be okay. And the battery is quite high capacity so I hope that it will work fine for at least 3 years, even if I charge it daily.
ETA: Interestingly, I had a Xperia Z1 before this phone, and I had the Z1 for a litte more than 2 years, and charged it almost everyday, and the battery on it was fine, or more than that, it was Good, I was getting 4-5 hours screen time on a charge just a month ago.. So??? I shouldn't be worrying about this anymore and instead enjoy my new phone
It did! Thank you.
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many users run the phone to 0 often without issue, but its really a horrible thing to do. there are many documented cases of it not turning on any more, however likely small compared to the amount of times its done. i was just making the facts known that the safety is there, and there is a risk of tripping it.
the problem would be compounded on a sealed phone, as the only fix requires you to take the battery out.
your charging cycle is very good for getting the max life from your battery :good: not too low and not too high.
many will argue this, and claim the benefit is very small, but according to the experts at battery university, not too low and not too high is the best way to get max life from these types of batteries. it keeps the stress levels while charging out of the highest ranges.

simonwela said:
I understand. Thanks for the answer!
I have an old laptop (like 10 years old), that has a completely dead battery and won't boot if it isn't plugged in, but it does work when it's plugged in, so I thought that maybe it would be the same thing here, but of course not, it makes sense that it's different.
But even with a new, modern phone, I guess it would be hard to completely kill the battery, even when charging it alot?
I mean, even if I would charge it 2 times everyday for 5 years, maybe it would still have some percent left of it's battery capacity, maybe 10% or something, and then it would work.
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Laptop chargers are a bit different from the android chargers.
Laptop chargers are designed to handel heavy charges which charges the battery at at its rated voltage. Like a 12volt laptop charger will charge a 12volt battery. Thats why with battery dead charger can handel all the work.
Android is a bit different.
Its chargers are rated of higher voltagea than battery.
Thats a good thing because at higher voltages we requir less ampere of current per hour to charge it.
I mean to say in previous post that if you grab a charger for your device just pullout the battery and use any other device battery for first boot. And when it start booting then you can just remove that battery and device will run on chrger.

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Laptop chargers are a bit different from the android chargers.
Laptop chargers are designed to handel heavy charges which charges the battery at at its rated voltage. Like a 12volt laptop charger will charge a 12volt battery. Thats why with battery dead charger can handel all the work.
Android is a bit different.
Its chargers are rated of higher voltagea than battery.
Thats a good thing because at higher voltages we requir less ampere of current per hour to charge it.
I mean to say in previous post that if you grab a charger for your device just pullout the battery and use any other device battery for first boot. And when it start booting then you can just remove that battery and device will run on chrger.
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all batteries charge at a higher rate than they are rated at, phone, laptop, car, doesnt matter.
if they didnt, they would take a very long time to reach full charge, and could only do so if not being used.
i would like to see some proof that a phone will stay on booted, with no battery. post some links for me to review please.

I have done it i will send you a video ok

What about cpuZ?!

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What about cpuZ?!
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"what about" you read the forum rules, particularly the part that says not to spam threads with off topic posts.