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I tried the search button but couldn't find my answer.
My XDA II is having some "age issues" and I'm planning on replacing it.
But, what is the best choice nowadays? What is the best replacement for my XDAII? I'd like a similar one but with WM5, better camera maybe, WIFI, BT and a powerful but stable processor of course. I’m using Tomtom navigation on it as well.
Thanks for the advice.
Hard to say. I'd say, right now, either the Wizard or, if the price difference isn't a problem, the TyTN. I wouldn't myself get the Universal - I have both the Univ and Wizard and prefer the latter in everyday life.
Or, if you don't mind the need for manual import, the new VGA Gigabyte i128 (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273825 ).
Finally, you can wait for the O2 Flame / HTC Omni, they're hopefully much better than the Universal
Thanks for the quick reply Menneisyys, I'm looking into it.
TYTN looks promising..
Hello,
I would say that the best choice at the moment is TyTN. I have one and I must say that this is it. I have had also Universal for some time so I've compared them and for me TyTN is better. Maybe the processor is 400MHz but from what I've heard Samsung has better architecture that Intel. For me it's enough, besides I must tell that Universal sometimes had some lags (probably the reason is VGA screen). You can compare technical details and besides VGA screen (and eventually the processor) TyTN has better tech specs. It's smaller, fits in your pocket without problems (Universal is really much bigger, i can send photo of these two lying to each other if you want) and i prefer the keaboard of TyTN as well. I must say that I'm very pleased with this device
i dont want the slide keyboad and the thickness it adds so imho
Trinity is what i would get
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284452
id say wait a lil while
toemke said:
I tried the search button but couldn't find my answer.
My XDA II is having some "age issues" and I'm planning on replacing it.
But, what is the best choice nowadays? What is the best replacement for my XDAII? I'd like a similar one but with WM5, better camera maybe, WIFI, BT and a powerful but stable processor of course. I’m using Tomtom navigation on it as well.
Thanks for the advice.
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It is hard to say what is the best pda it all depends on your usage and what qualities you prefer in pda. I would say HTC Artemis/HTC P3300/O2 XDA Orbit is one of the best. It has integrated GPS, pretty compact and very light for Pocket PC, decent screen, good phone functionality and good battery life.
that samsung is not a phone though it's more of a microlaptop
and i know as soon as i get a device with gps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_positioning_system
will hit and blow gps out of the water
It is hard to say what is the best pda it all depends on your usage and what qualities you prefer in pda.
v.v good point well made
Hi Rudegar, long time no see.
Thanks to all of you for the inputs.
I think I narrowed it down to TYTN or Trinity.
Next stop is E-Bay...
Thanks again.
toemke said:
I tried the search button but couldn't find my answer.
My XDA II is having some "age issues" and I'm planning on replacing it.
But, what is the best choice nowadays? What is the best replacement for my XDAII? I'd like a similar one but with WM5, better camera maybe, WIFI, BT and a powerful but stable processor of course. I’m using Tomtom navigation on it as well.
Thanks for the advice.
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Hi have look at this.
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=42938
It provide a good over view, and some more links to see if there is any one else out there that can answers your question. After my current phones contract expires, end of Feb, I will get one. I can’t wait…
Now this is what I call a review! Looks like a great device.
Thanks treecare.
Rudegar said:
that samsung is not a phone though it's more of a microlaptop
and i know as soon as i get a device with gps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_positioning_system
will hit and blow gps out of the water
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Galileo is still some way off becoming operational - I should worry about it just now.
If you want a one hand phone, you should definitely look into a P525 by ASUS. The benchmark tests are amazing. I'm getting mine in 2 days.
My Universal is over a year old and I still love it. I don't think that for me the TyTn is a replacement for the Universal. I simply love the large VGA screen and the keyboard, though this comes with a downside of large size. However during this time I never felt that it was too large not to be pocketable.
I will wait till a device comes out with a large VGA screen and a qwerty keyboard.
But as we all agree these are personal preferences. I do a lot of work on the Planmaker spreadsheet and a lot of browsing using Netfront and so a good screen is probably on the highest priority.
Regards
I use mine mostly as a phone, planning of agenda's, calculations, tomtom navigation, Aviation navigation and utilities, camera and some utilities from programs I installed on it.
My XDA II did just fine but I miss the WM5. Rotating screens and stuff and the fact that is starting to show some defects (sound disappearing, self soft reset...)
I want the same PDA but up to date..I think I got a pretty good idea of what I want now. TYTN, Trinity or XDA Orbit.
Hey there folks! My first post here!
I've just bought the XDA Trion (I made the (blind) assumption it had built in GPS).
Of course later, I found out it hadn't!
I've also found that I seldom use the hard keyboard - I find it quicker to tap the software keyboard with the stylus.
Now I'm looking at changing it for the Orbit. I've compared specs on www.gsmarena.com and the only difference (apart from the Orbit not having 3G but having GPS instead) is that the processor speed is slower - 200MHz.
Now, how much will the slower processor speed of the Orbit effect day to day running of the device?
I tried playing a short AVI file (MJPG, 640x480 @30.00fps - 14552Kbps) and this was very choppy on the Trion. So if I can't really play video files on the Trion (without perhaps having to recompress files) then I probably may as well go for the XDA Orbit. What real benifits do I get from an extra 200MHz apart from opening up software a little quicker?
The other thing is to buy a bluetooth GPS receiver for the Trion (£22 on eBay), although this means, extra baggage and power. The reviews I've read also seem to show Orbit's GPS capabilities on par (and sometimes better) than bluetooth counterparts.
What to do!! Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Orbit or trion
I have the same problem trying to weigh up the benefits of the 400 processor against the 200.
What are the other functions like?
Neil
Trion or Orbit
I haven't had an xda since the XDA2, and have been using a nokia phone with Bluetooth GPS. Tried the orbit yesterday, and will probably buy. I want a single device basic camera, phone GPS. I hardly ever used the keyboard.
Is there an unlock for the orbit so i can use on vodafone?
Mr.G
The only other difference I forgot to mention was the camera. The Trion has flash and macro mode. But this is neither here or there for me.
Still confused as to what to buy. Will go to O2 store at lunch and see what they say (not much I guess).
My guess is that because the 200MHz Texas Instruments processor is found in quite a few devices it can't be all that bad...
One thing I've read is that 400MHz works better with Bluetooth stereo headsets - but frankly, this doesn't really bother me!
Anyone out there who can tell me the "real world" benifits of a 400MHz Samsung processor over a 200MHz Texas Instrument?!
Anything will be of great help!
SG
Just come back from the O2 shop...
Put their Orbit and my Trion side by side and ran a few tests. You do notice the speed of the Trion - although it's not that great or crucial.
Eg, I took a photo on both devices and zoomed in 3 times - the Orbit zoomed in slower than the Trion by about 1-2 seconds. Moving the zoomed image with the stylus seemed the same on both devices - move the image fast and both devices have lag.
The Orbit is much lighter and thinner than the Trion. The speed thing in my opinion seems superficial - yes things may be a little smoother on the Trion but unless someone tells me THIS (or THAT) program will only run on the Trion and not the Orbit then I think I'm inclined to swap...
Neil, this is my first pocket "smart" phone so I wouldn't know how to compare functions.
All functions seem to work ok but I do have a few niggles:
1. I can't find a way to actually close programs other than go to settings and ending programs manually. Clicking the "X" just seems to "minimise" the application.
2. The wifi is bugging me. There are quite a few wifi signals in my area but I can't find a way to get the Trion just to fix to my wifi and ignore all other connections. It seems to continually search and connect to someone elses wifi!
3. The styus is quite hard to take out - feels like I may break it!
SG
Okay, I've had a look at a few GPS systems and what processor speeds/memory they use:
Cartrek 400S: CPU 266MHz, 32MB RAM, 16 Channels (3.5" 320x240 pxl) - £165
TomTom One Regional: CPU 266MHz, 32MB RAM (3.5" 320x240 pxl) - £180
TomTom Go 510 : CPU 400MHz, 64MB RAM (4.0" 480x272 pxl) - £270
TomTom Go 910 : CPU 400MHz, 64MB RAM (4.0" 480x272 pxl) - £350
compared with -
O2 XDA ORBIT: CPU 200MHz, 64MB RAM, 20 Channel GPS (2.8" 320x240 pxl)
I couldn't find any info on how many channels TomTom's GPS use.
Looking at the above, the cheapest stand-alone GPS system uses a 266MHz processor. Just slightly faster than the Orbit. Has anyone had any issues with using GPS on the orbit? The Orbit does house twice the RAM however.
The slower processor speed of the Orbit makes me wonder how well third party navigation software will work on it...
SG
If you're not bothered about having a keyboard, go for the Orbit. Although I haven't used one, I am using a Trion and I had a Mini S before that, which has a similar processor to the Orbit. The speed increase in the Trion is barely noticeable.
I have avoided the Orbit as I deem a keyboard vital. As you don't however, the Orbit is thinner and has integrated GPS, so go for it!
Cheers HPJ, I think you're right. I guess if it lasts 18 months without being completely outdated and slow, it's the one to go with.
SG
Video HERE of the orbit running TomTom 6
Runs very smooth and fast on my orbit
You're right, it does seem to run quite smooth. Although the video doesn't show the full operation of the GPS.
Think i've made my mind up - going to call O2 next week and swap my Trion for the Orbit.
Thanks for the help people!
No body has really shown any benifits of the Trion apart from the keyboard...
When you get the orbit be sure to register over at xda-orbit.com
Plenty of usefull info there
Very close to getting one myself now, and sodding the keyboard.
Just received my second Trion as the last one's battery lasted max 50 hours (with very little usage etc etc.).....
Anyway, that's a whole different thread........
Cheers for the advice Jamin ...!
That's a good site.
Go for it, after messing around with the Orbit.. the Trion is way too bulky...
and why not the trinity, same as the trion but with working gps and no keyboard, and it's cheaper!
Trinity?
Is the Trinity the Orange SPV M700 (HTC P3600)?
If it is, i've just checked it's spec and you're right. Not only that, it uses the Samsung 400MHz processor and is 3G.
I don't like the fact that it is white however, it feels more bulkier than the Orbit too...
What other network is this on?
I've got very good deal with O2 so I think I'll stick with them...
Is the Trinity the Orange SPV M700 (HTC P3600)
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yes it is
What other network is this on?
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none in England (I'm guessing you're here)
I don't like the fact that it is white however, it feels more bulkier than the Orbit too
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it is available in black, though apparently rarer, and it is a little bulkier, 1.7mm thicker than the orbit ( i could live with that ) the other dimensions are the same
I've got very good deal with O2
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glad you do, they are i believe the most expensive company in the UK. compare them (and their data charges ) to t-mobile and their flext tariffs
bbobeckyj, what phone do you have?
I think Orange only sell it in white...
You've thrown a little spanner into what to go with now!
PS, I am in England!
i have a wizard and i'm trying to decide on the hermes (on t-mo) or trinity (on orange )
i'll see if i can threaten to leave o2 (who i'm currently with untill august) to see if they'll give me a free hermes on a better tariff than they normally do
bbobeckyj said:
and why not the trinity, same as the trion but with working gps and no keyboard, and it's cheaper!
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What do you mean by "working GPS" ??!
Are you implying the Orbit's GPS doesn't work properly?
I was amazed to find that this wasn't already discussed.
Trinity looks like it might be faster, which is a big plus as my XDA mini always chugged along a little too slow.
Extra camera
But the Artemis is slimmer
Can install GPS on both equally well?
Any opinions?
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_compare_pda.htm
compared here
trinity have
HSDPA/UMTS
and
GPS from the start
The XDA Orbit (o2 customised artemis) is a much nicer design than the plastic looking finger-print hungry Trinity.
Trinity has better CPU and 3G
Artemis has better GPS chip (SirfStar III, and yes it is MUCH better, I have sat the two devices next to eachother and the Artemis is far more accurate) and has FM radio (Big whoop.....)
IMHO the better design and better GPS chip more than makes up for the slower CPU and I don't use 3G anyway.
and artemis have microSD and trinity have miniSD
miniSD seem to be on the way out before it became very popular
though there are converters like kingson who have microSD's with conveters so they act as normal SD or miniSD though not sure about compatibility
Artemis was the daughter of Zeus.... Trinity is GOD... so who win ?
Hehe, well if you look at it like that......
So far quite close
Thanks for the info. Definitely good to know the Orbit has better GPS. I was leaning towards the trinity due to faster processor until you pointed that out. Gonna wait for a few more comments before I decide.
trinity gps works well as p3300 processor, I don't think u found difference in a normal street navigation... maybe just the cold boot is more longer but trinity do well this job Of course if u need a pda mostly for GPS maybe p3300 is better... Sirf is very good chip and OMAP have less consumation... but for all other trinity is much better... fast internet connection, fast processor, video call, mini-sd hot swap instead microsd under battery(weird!!), Irda, D-Pad classic with scrollwheel instead the trackball of p3300 (i think it's not very usefull) just my opinion
I considered the Trion (TyTn), Orbit (p3300) and the SPV M700 (p3600).
I had the Trion but I gave it back and got the Orbit which I'm very happy with. I was looking at the p3600 but it comes in a horrible white colour and in my opinion is the worst looking of the three.
The way I see it is, there are already new smart phones coming out with CPU speeds greater than 400Mhz, some even with a dedicated GPU. At the moment, the Orbit has all I need from it and should last me 18 months. If after this period, new software and developments demand higher CPU speeds, my contract would have finished and I'll get something new. By this time, advancement in smart phone technology would probably mean that the standard CPU speed is more like 600Mhz or so. If by this time the Orbit becomes an antique, I'm sure it would still work well as a sat nav system!
p3600 (trinity)
comes in both black and white flavour
http://www.htcitalia.net/public/minfoto/298.jpg
personaly i pref the white though
and Artemis (orbit) looks much better irl then the forum picture
but i would never buy a new non umts phone
gprs is too slow to borther using the internet from the device
Got a quick question. I've been looking around for a new pda. I currently own a Trinity and am wondering if the Polaris is equivalent to a Trinity II? Similar to how there is a TyTN and now there is a TyTN II, except with the name change.
I know the Polaris has streamed from the Artemis i.e. P3300, but specs seems like it can possibly be a the new Trinity? Or is HTC going to release a Trinity II later this year or in the near future?
I'd like some helpful input if possible. Thanks a lot.
The Polaris is an Artemis, Touch Dual hybrid, it's nowhere near the Trinity.
The only thing that connects the two is the Qualcomm GPS chip.
The design is from the Artemis, the screen and chipset is from the Touch Dual (or the Kaiser if you prefer, but both use the same chipsets).
Ture, but if you are a user looking at features and form it is basically an improved Trinity. Nicely improved
that and the fact that the alternative name for the Touch Cruise is the P3650.....!
But just look at the thing, it's a touch/p3300 love child all the way!!
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Ture, but if you are a user looking at features and form it is basically an improved Trinity. Nicely improved
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Thanks a lot for your input. I guess my end question is because the end user features of the touch cruise is very similar to the trinity, upgraded, does anyone think that the trinity model be phased out? As HTC seems to be quite a smart company, releasing a "Trinity II" would possibly be doubling up and competing with it's own Touch Cruise. Thanks.
I've owned multiple devices (including two Trinity's) as most that post here have. I can't believe the number of devices that are available from the same manufacturers now that sizes are reaching the limits of what is comfotable for users. Given the 2.8" screen standard, there is no reason for anything much smaller than the Touch. A couple mm's shaved here and there maybe.
Maybe with technology HTC will eventualy get to two basic PDA phones - one with keyboard and a slimmer one without. Both will be loaded with the same features as technology improves. LG is packing more features in a smaller phone than the Touch.
Some how I'm not convinced that, the Trinity has anything to do whith the Polaris. Yeah I know, the number... Trinity being P3600 and Polaris being P3650, but I ask what features and design elements make the Polaris Trinity II.
As far as I can see there's no Jogwheel, no Infraport, the design elements are from the Artemis and the Touch, and the chipset is from the Kaiser... so?
Between the the Hermes and the Kaiser are common elements, in design, and in features also. And HTC introduced the Kaiser as TyTN II. But I ask again, whithout the numbers, what makes the Polaris the Trinity II?
i think what he's fishing for is if since hermes and kaiser kinda look alike and aramis and polaris kinda look alike if
there will be a trinityLooking device later
or if that market segment is where polaris is
suppose he pref the look of trinity and will wait if a device comes out which look more like that
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Some how I'm not convinced that, the Trinity has anything to do whith the Polaris. Yeah I know, the number... Trinity being P3600 and Polaris being P3650, but I ask what features and design elements make the Polaris Trinity II.
As far as I can see there's no Jogwheel, no Infraport, the design elements are from the Artemis and the Touch, and the chipset is from the Kaiser... so?
Between the the Hermes and the Kaiser are common elements, in design, and in features also. And HTC introduced the Kaiser as TyTN II. But I ask again, whithout the numbers, what makes the Polaris the Trinity II?
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Thanks a lot for your input. Thanks for telling me that there is no infraport. I don't use it, but it's good to know before I make a purchase. I'm not trying to argue that the Touch Cruise = Trinity II. I'm just looking for a new pda phone that is as close to the Trinity P3600 as possible, except better I'm sick of my Trinity. It seems to me that the closest there is in the market is the Touch Cruise. I know the Trinity and the Touch Cruise are entirely different phones. Another Question. Is the Qualcomm 400Mhz processor on the Touch Cruise faster than the Samsung 400Mhz processor? The Samsung processor has it's own problems. Any significant problems with the Qualcomm processor that I should be aware?
Thanks again for your help.
Qualcomm got an issue with the htc driver not using the ati onchip video stuff so the cpu dont do multimedia as fart as it could same thing with kaiser there are alot of thread about it
how big a problem it is i guess depend on if one play video clips in higher res's then the screen and display to avoid the bother of transforming them to 320_240 first
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the Polaris is actually related to the Trinity - as pointed out, it's predecessor is the Artemis.
Check this out if you are looking for a comparison.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer
im sorry .. but
wtf who cares about it? - call it the trinity II if your happy then lol.
go to the shop and say: i own a touch cruise's / orbit's predeccessor, the trinity. he dont cares how you call it, you put the finger on the product and he will tell you the price ^^
Polaris is indeed Trinity, but not Trinity II, it's Trinity 0.5! Don't buy it yet. I have both phones. I was sick of my Trinity like you and wanted something new and bought Polaris. Yes it looks "sexier" but it made me realize how great my Trinity is! Now I'm back to Trinity and the Polaris is back in its box until HTC releases patches that make this phone better than Trinity.
Jeez, I tried to play a tinny little 320 x 240 video and it couldn't handle it!
I have a Trinity running the latest "Fixin it over" ROM which is working great. Also have a Polaris on order from Mobileplanet. I starting to wonder if the Polaris is a bit over rated in comparison. Anyone else have both with an opinion?
I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
Seriously... Don't bother!
LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
You will miss your qwerty. I don't know your Blue Angel, But my TC (i think all PocketPCs) has a delay when somebody calls you. Your phone will ring/vibrate after the one who calls you hears the first ring. So if somebody just gives you a call with one ring (bip) you won't hear it! Is it the same in your case, or mine is special? Maybe somebody else with TC can confirm/infirm this...
Yea, mine sort of have that sort of dealy.
I don't use my QWERTY keyboard anyway so that's not a problem.
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LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
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Just everything about it...
The build quality is terrible. Feels like a new hobbyist threw it together in 5 mins.
It seriously underperforms compared to my Old SE P990i and older XDA's
The modifications o2 have made to the software are rubbish.
I'm miffed I didn't hold out for the SE X1i
^ In your opinion, yes its not perfect, the screen is less than ideal but the build quality is great I think. Much better than my old SE P series phone which used to creak whenever squeezed etc and the flush screen is better than orbit 1
But I would hold out for the Diamond
I want the built in GPS, and the Diamond prices ae too much for what it is...
Any other decent HTCs with built in GPS?
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I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
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I've just switched from a Hermes/Tytn to the Orbit2. HardSPL'd it and installed the WM6.1 that's been floating about here and installed TomTom.
Losing the keyboard is a bit annoying (on screen is usable, but nowhere near as good) - but I realized I very rarely typed anything and smaller sized massively outweighs it.
GPS works very well - especially as Quick GPS which really does work.
Downsides:
Lost keyboard.
Upsides:
GPS - now just not having to lug around and charge my BT GPS module, but now much faster and lets me do all manner of stuff (geo-tag photos with a reg tweak), GPS trackers allowing me to see where I've been in google maps blah blah.
Much better camera - not so much the 2M -> 3M change - but AUTOFOCUS.
SMALLER - now it's not a small phone, but it's not an f'in brick like the last one.
No real difference noticed between the processors. Latest 6.1 I put on my Hermes made it lovely and snappy - and performs exactly the same on the Polaris. Only reservation I've got with the polaris is the screen res (i.e. same old rubbish). Not entirely convinced Hi-res WM is much better though after playign with colleagues PDAs - I've got an ipod touch and THAT is what i'd want somehow wedged into my phone..
In summary, if you want a phone now, I'd definitely get the XDA. If you can wait maybe see how Diamond and 3G iPhone stack up.
#edit - and build quality on my XDA (at least) is perfect. Nice solid feeling thing, love the slightly rubberized case.
Thanks very much for your opinion...I think I might just go with the Orbit 2 after all...a VGA screen would be nice, but I'm happy enough to have the standard one...and it's a little smaller than my BLue Angel so that's always a benefit.
Seriously this is an outstanding device. Software is software and any issues can 99% of the time be sorted with it and normally are, especially when you browse around these forums. Also bare in mind that all these devices now use windows mobile so I don't understand why someone would fault the Orbit 2 over another windows mobile device because of the software it comes with.....anyway the hardware itself is exceptional, I've posted a mini review if you look through my post history and there's plenty of in-depth reviews out there.
Losing the keyboard is a good thing in my opinion. A keyboard isn't necessary, its just as easy (if not easier) to use the software input (my personal preference is a T9 style pad that learns words and is very quick to use with just one hand like a normal phone) and obviously you save on weight and bulk.
The Orbit 2 looks great, is extremely responsive and comfortable to use and in my opinion is the best windows mobile device availible at this time.
Quick edit! - regarding the SW, the rom that the O2 Orbit 2 comes with is actually fine anyway, i've never encountered any issues with it - it would be nice to have the threaded SMS that 6.1 has but aside from that its fine and works great. Cheers!
SOunds like you're pretty damn happy with it then
So the 200MHz processor isn't an issue? Still responds well? Thing like TOmtom run well?
The Orbit 2 has a 400MHz CPU, it was the original Orbit that had 200 -it also has twice the amount of memory. TomTom was perfectly useable on the original Orbit but it noticeably runs smoother on the Orbit 2 - The Orbit 2 is a lot better at managing multiple tasks at the same time.
I was in two minds before upgrading becasue I had the original Orbit and wasn't sure if I'd get my money's worth. I was going to send it back if I wasn't happy with it. I'm more than happy with it though as you can tell! its a great device. You've always got that 14 day cooling period with O2 anyway so you may as well give it a go for yourself.
doh...you're right...I was thinking of the original Orbit.
No 14 day cooling off for me..I'm in Australia so the only way to get at a decent price is eBay.
I think I've been convinced to get the Orbit 2...just a pity it doesn't have VGA...and the diamond will probably be a fair amount more than the Orbit 2
Actually a the Diamond will be cheaper then the Polaris/Orbit2... But my oppinion is that the VGA is too much on a 2.8" screen...
The Orbit 2 is a damn good toy... after tuning the cache and graphic settings..speed was even better than before..
also gps works great...a lot of stuff in a small little case...
I am also happy with my orbit 2, copilot in mo is better then tomtom i have both installed.
I like golive's interface and extra settings plus the website for tracking is a good feature.
The Software available is none stop from here and other sources, unlike the iphone i had that you could only load decentish software if you hacked it..
a couple of minor gripes, the screen is a little shiny for sunny day use and the camera could be alot better.
apart from that i am very happy with it, let hops the diamond touch flo 3d becomes available then that will make this device look great.
the hsdpa speed is great when in the right areas, 50k download speed from my laptop...
the gps seems acurate enough, fast on a warm start as well.
its performance could be a little better but overall its very good.
I would install opera mini as i have found this much better then ie and opera mobile for day to day use.
as for the missing keyboard, try touchpal or the diamond keyboards, also make sure you adjust the sensivity of the screen do a search on here, i think the keyboard is great been software as you can load loads of different types and type quicker with the stylus on some over a flip out keyboard.
the flip out keyboard types can be a little thicker as well you cannot replace or remap keys like a software keyboard so there are plus's and minus's to both concepts...
if you type alot then get a bluetooth keyboard, or a laptop.....
i don't think you will b unhappy with your purchase...
Actually imho any HTC device when just introduced will very rarely be upto my expectation and initially i am always dissapointed,for the first few days,its just a matter of customizing(a heart felt thanks to this forum for teaching us how too) to our personal choice and then i just can't seem to live without them.When i took the Cruise i returned it the next day,very dissapointed with the handset,nothing it could do(and in the factory state it could'nt domuch)was enough,I thought that my Kaiser was far better,then after going through the Cruise forum went and picked it up again,customized it and now wonder how did I ever think negatively abbout this handset,I just love it the feel of it in my hand and also the perfomance,ended up keeping both the Kaiser and Cruise without regrets.