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O2 XDA Trion or Orbit - which one?!

Hey there folks! My first post here!
I've just bought the XDA Trion (I made the (blind) assumption it had built in GPS).
Of course later, I found out it hadn't!
I've also found that I seldom use the hard keyboard - I find it quicker to tap the software keyboard with the stylus.
Now I'm looking at changing it for the Orbit. I've compared specs on www.gsmarena.com and the only difference (apart from the Orbit not having 3G but having GPS instead) is that the processor speed is slower - 200MHz.
Now, how much will the slower processor speed of the Orbit effect day to day running of the device?
I tried playing a short AVI file (MJPG, 640x480 @30.00fps - 14552Kbps) and this was very choppy on the Trion. So if I can't really play video files on the Trion (without perhaps having to recompress files) then I probably may as well go for the XDA Orbit. What real benifits do I get from an extra 200MHz apart from opening up software a little quicker?
The other thing is to buy a bluetooth GPS receiver for the Trion (£22 on eBay), although this means, extra baggage and power. The reviews I've read also seem to show Orbit's GPS capabilities on par (and sometimes better) than bluetooth counterparts.
What to do!! Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!

Orbit or trion
I have the same problem trying to weigh up the benefits of the 400 processor against the 200.
What are the other functions like?
Neil

Trion or Orbit
I haven't had an xda since the XDA2, and have been using a nokia phone with Bluetooth GPS. Tried the orbit yesterday, and will probably buy. I want a single device basic camera, phone GPS. I hardly ever used the keyboard.
Is there an unlock for the orbit so i can use on vodafone?
Mr.G

The only other difference I forgot to mention was the camera. The Trion has flash and macro mode. But this is neither here or there for me.
Still confused as to what to buy. Will go to O2 store at lunch and see what they say (not much I guess).
My guess is that because the 200MHz Texas Instruments processor is found in quite a few devices it can't be all that bad...
One thing I've read is that 400MHz works better with Bluetooth stereo headsets - but frankly, this doesn't really bother me!
Anyone out there who can tell me the "real world" benifits of a 400MHz Samsung processor over a 200MHz Texas Instrument?!
Anything will be of great help!
SG

Just come back from the O2 shop...
Put their Orbit and my Trion side by side and ran a few tests. You do notice the speed of the Trion - although it's not that great or crucial.
Eg, I took a photo on both devices and zoomed in 3 times - the Orbit zoomed in slower than the Trion by about 1-2 seconds. Moving the zoomed image with the stylus seemed the same on both devices - move the image fast and both devices have lag.
The Orbit is much lighter and thinner than the Trion. The speed thing in my opinion seems superficial - yes things may be a little smoother on the Trion but unless someone tells me THIS (or THAT) program will only run on the Trion and not the Orbit then I think I'm inclined to swap...

Neil, this is my first pocket "smart" phone so I wouldn't know how to compare functions.
All functions seem to work ok but I do have a few niggles:
1. I can't find a way to actually close programs other than go to settings and ending programs manually. Clicking the "X" just seems to "minimise" the application.
2. The wifi is bugging me. There are quite a few wifi signals in my area but I can't find a way to get the Trion just to fix to my wifi and ignore all other connections. It seems to continually search and connect to someone elses wifi!
3. The styus is quite hard to take out - feels like I may break it!
SG

Okay, I've had a look at a few GPS systems and what processor speeds/memory they use:
Cartrek 400S: CPU 266MHz, 32MB RAM, 16 Channels (3.5" 320x240 pxl) - £165
TomTom One Regional: CPU 266MHz, 32MB RAM (3.5" 320x240 pxl) - £180
TomTom Go 510 : CPU 400MHz, 64MB RAM (4.0" 480x272 pxl) - £270
TomTom Go 910 : CPU 400MHz, 64MB RAM (4.0" 480x272 pxl) - £350
compared with -
O2 XDA ORBIT: CPU 200MHz, 64MB RAM, 20 Channel GPS (2.8" 320x240 pxl)
I couldn't find any info on how many channels TomTom's GPS use.
Looking at the above, the cheapest stand-alone GPS system uses a 266MHz processor. Just slightly faster than the Orbit. Has anyone had any issues with using GPS on the orbit? The Orbit does house twice the RAM however.
The slower processor speed of the Orbit makes me wonder how well third party navigation software will work on it...
SG

If you're not bothered about having a keyboard, go for the Orbit. Although I haven't used one, I am using a Trion and I had a Mini S before that, which has a similar processor to the Orbit. The speed increase in the Trion is barely noticeable.
I have avoided the Orbit as I deem a keyboard vital. As you don't however, the Orbit is thinner and has integrated GPS, so go for it!

Cheers HPJ, I think you're right. I guess if it lasts 18 months without being completely outdated and slow, it's the one to go with.
SG

Video HERE of the orbit running TomTom 6
Runs very smooth and fast on my orbit

You're right, it does seem to run quite smooth. Although the video doesn't show the full operation of the GPS.
Think i've made my mind up - going to call O2 next week and swap my Trion for the Orbit.
Thanks for the help people!
No body has really shown any benifits of the Trion apart from the keyboard...

When you get the orbit be sure to register over at xda-orbit.com
Plenty of usefull info there

Very close to getting one myself now, and sodding the keyboard.
Just received my second Trion as the last one's battery lasted max 50 hours (with very little usage etc etc.).....
Anyway, that's a whole different thread........

Cheers for the advice Jamin ...!
That's a good site.
Go for it, after messing around with the Orbit.. the Trion is way too bulky...

and why not the trinity, same as the trion but with working gps and no keyboard, and it's cheaper!

Trinity?
Is the Trinity the Orange SPV M700 (HTC P3600)?
If it is, i've just checked it's spec and you're right. Not only that, it uses the Samsung 400MHz processor and is 3G.
I don't like the fact that it is white however, it feels more bulkier than the Orbit too...
What other network is this on?
I've got very good deal with O2 so I think I'll stick with them...

Is the Trinity the Orange SPV M700 (HTC P3600)
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yes it is
What other network is this on?
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none in England (I'm guessing you're here)
I don't like the fact that it is white however, it feels more bulkier than the Orbit too
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it is available in black, though apparently rarer, and it is a little bulkier, 1.7mm thicker than the orbit ( i could live with that ) the other dimensions are the same
I've got very good deal with O2
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glad you do, they are i believe the most expensive company in the UK. compare them (and their data charges ) to t-mobile and their flext tariffs

bbobeckyj, what phone do you have?
I think Orange only sell it in white...
You've thrown a little spanner into what to go with now!
PS, I am in England!

i have a wizard and i'm trying to decide on the hermes (on t-mo) or trinity (on orange )
i'll see if i can threaten to leave o2 (who i'm currently with untill august) to see if they'll give me a free hermes on a better tariff than they normally do

bbobeckyj said:
and why not the trinity, same as the trion but with working gps and no keyboard, and it's cheaper!
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What do you mean by "working GPS" ??!
Are you implying the Orbit's GPS doesn't work properly?

Differences between Polaris(Cruise) and Trinity(P3600)?

What are the main differences between Polaris(Touch Cruise) and Trinity(P3600) or even P3600i (faster but only available in Australia I think)?
If Trinity is updated to WM6 , what about the GPS chip ?
The P3600 has everything I'm looking for except a good GPS...that is why I was ready to buy the P3600 i (Dopod CHT 9110)(boosted version with more memory (256Mb Flash Rom) and faster processor(500 MHz)+ updated ROM and WM6)
I suppose I could have relaced wm6 uk with a wm6 in french but even that was no so important.
So maybe I better wait a few days for the Polaris (Touch Cruise) announced here in Belgium ?(although 400 Mhz... I would have prefered a faster processor like the 500 MHz from the P3600i...

As I know: HTC Polaris - HTC Trinity
Double ROM and RAM.
New GPS chipset with AGPS compatibility.
Radio FM.
APN 3Mpx.
Flush fitted screen for TouchFlo technology.
Dpad + Wheel.
New software packages.

cedel said:
The P3600 has everything I'm looking for except a good GPS...that is why I was ready to buy the P3600 i (Dopod CHT 9110)(boosted version with more memory (256Mb Flash Rom) and faster processor(500 MHz)+ updated ROM and WM6)
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If GPS is in first priority for you, i have to inform you that GPS of Cruise is not the best in market. (A Sirf Star III chipset is far away better!) At least that's what the reviews from owners say!

as far as i know trinity had worse gps then aramis and polaris got better yet not to be compared with real gps recievers though

Rudegar said:
as far as i know trinity had worse gps then aramis and polaris got better yet not to be compared with real gps recievers though
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...or not with ETEN GPS phones.

cant argue taste imho ETEN are eyesores

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cant argue taste imho ETEN are eyesores
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idk but for gps i find the athena is the best. i put it by tomtom units and its very close and also around my area always has loads of satellites. i use it as a gps always.
edit: i hope polaris will be close to athena since the technology is there.

I second that
I just finished a nice road test of about 20-miles around my area. I installed the latest TomTom Navigator software on the Polaris and used a Garmin C550 and a Garmin 60Csx as comparisons. All three were pretty close to each other in time to locations, speed reading, and logic behind re-routing. For a hand-held device, I am quite happy with it getting me within feet of where I need to be.
Hope that helps -

I have owned the 3300, 3600 and now Polaris. The polaris is the best. More memory, seems snappier, GPS is great (With good software, I prefer iGo). My main beef with the 3600 was the screen is inset. I tend to use the thumb for navigation a lot and found it hard to navigate. This is probably a person preference.
My wife now has the 3300 and loves it. It is a slower, and has less memory, but lives up to its specifications in every way. Also, for some reason the design feels great in the hand.
I really like the Polaris. The flat screen makes it great for thumb driving the interface. I also like the dpad scroll wheel.
If I had one critisim, I wish it had more hardware buttons similar to the 3300. I like to wire my frequently used buttons for quick access. However, AE Button is a good solution. You can resign hardware buttons based on Single click, double click, triple click, and HOLD. So one button can respond in 4 ways.

Considering an X7510 and looking for input...

So my HTC Wizard is getting a little old. And it's poor old CPU isn't standing up to Windows Mobile 6 ROM's very well. And it doesn't support anyhting past EDGE. And I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade. And my sweet BT SouthWing headset sucks on my HTC as soon as I do more than one thing. At the same time, my camera is busted. My girlfriend has a 6 megapixel camera we use for anything important, but I want a decent camera that's always on me.
I think I see a chance to combine some electronics. I'm looking for a beasty WM 6 based PDA. The current PDA I'm most interested in is the HTC Advantage X7510.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
GSM w / solid band support
3.1 MP camera w / flash
BT 2.0
624 Mhz CPU AND ATI gfx chip (<3 cell phone emulators)
16 gig internal flash for my tunes
detachable keyboard
FULL QWERTY KEYBOARD = WIN
Surprisingly sexy for a powerful PDA with a keyboard
This looks like the best one I've found overall. I've heard that HTC has been pretty lousy on implementing the ATI GFX chips, but as far as I can tell that's only on the TyTn II's. It's a little more than I want to spend on a phone, but if it gets the camera in there too then it's sold.
I'm pretty much sold on this guy, only holdup is the cost. I really haven't seen anything that can compete with it, although I found a lot of new companies today poking about. Anybody know of any brands I should look at, or have anything negative to say about this guy?

fatheadpi said:
So my HTC Wizard is getting a little old. And it's poor old CPU isn't standing up to Windows Mobile 6 ROM's very well. And it doesn't support anyhting past EDGE. And I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade. And my sweet BT SouthWing headset sucks on my HTC as soon as I do more than one thing. At the same time, my camera is busted. My girlfriend has a 6 megapixel camera we use for anything important, but I want a decent camera that's always on me.
I think I see a chance to combine some electronics. I'm looking for a beasty WM 6 based PDA. The current PDA I'm most interested in is the HTC Advantage X7510.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
GSM w / solid band support
3.1 MP camera w / flash
BT 2.0
624 Mhz CPU AND ATI gfx chip (<3 cell phone emulators)
16 gig internal flash for my tunes
detachable keyboard
FULL QWERTY KEYBOARD = WIN
Surprisingly sexy for a powerful PDA with a keyboard
This looks like the best one I've found overall. I've heard that HTC has been pretty lousy on implementing the ATI GFX chips, but as far as I can tell that's only on the TyTn II's. It's a little more than I want to spend on a phone, but if it gets the camera in there too then it's sold.
I'm pretty much sold on this guy, only holdup is the cost. I really haven't seen anything that can compete with it, although I found a lot of new companies today poking about. Anybody know of any brands I should look at, or have anything negative to say about this guy?
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well if you really want the x7510 then you should buy an x7500 and put ap4 on there. than its like having the best of both worlds plus you get all the buttons that you dont get with the 7510

7510 is a good choice only if you intend to use it notebook style. If you use it tablet style, then 7500 or 7501 are better. 7510 does not have the a few of the hardware buttons that the older models have, and this is extremely limiting for table style users. Many users find it more convenient, more portable, and easier when using it table style.
BTW, 7500 and 7501 are lighter and cheaper too. The only drawback is the microdrive instead of SSD, but not a serious drawback. Capacity itself is not an issue for most of us, I believe. I only use about 1 GB out of the 8GB with all my programs installed there. All my large consuming files are on microSDHC, which can be swapped in and out at will so there is no practical limit on the effective capacity. Microdrive is a lot faster than microSDHC, although it consumes more power.

The answer is also in the new product cathegories from HTC marketing department ( www.htc.com ) :
They have :
TOUCH phones (From TOUCH to DIAMOND)
PDA phones (From P3300 to TyTN II)
Smartphones (From S310 to S730)
Mobile Computers (Advantage>Shift)
The strategy seems clear: WHAT DO YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ? :
Trendy and WOW effect PDA PHONE? (Play device with phone?) TOUCH product Line
A Powerfull Companion in your PHONE? (Biz device with phone?) PDA Phones Product Line
Lightweight but powerfull PHONE? (Phone for yor Digital Lifestyle?) Smartphones product line
Mobile computing (Mobile PC always on with SOME phone capabilities?) Mobile Computers product line
I agree with you we would like to have them ALL in a single device but....
I have PDA, SMartphone and Mobile computer, and I fully agree with this scenario. A clear idea (or a good help) and you will be really happy of the chosen device. Chose the wrong category for your purpose and you will sell it in few weeks (losing money )
HTC is out from a dark age now, time to buy stock quotes IMHO!

I'd go for an X7500 unless you can get a 7510 susidised. I use about 6Gb of my Microdrive and about 3Gb on my card but you can always expand with bigger cards.
Good luck!
[Edit]Just seen http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391485 - might be of interest?[/Edit]

Interesting comments, really appreciate the feedback. So, a few things.
1. I haven't really found a good comparison or general video yet of any of the advantage models. I'll keep the keyboard difference in mind. As for the keyboard usage, how is it for texting? I've been pretty happy with the keyboard on my Wizard, but I'm open to something new. I just refuse to go back to not having a QWERTY keyboard. I'd buy the Diamond, but HTC doesn't get how awesome QWERTY texting is appearantly.
2. Looking at the Advantage, I don't see any buttons on it that would be especially good for gaming, especially anything like the pad on a Wizard / TyTn II. Am I missing something, or can I expect to have my PocketNesterness hampered by an Advantage?
3. Thanks for the info on the 7500/1 vs 7510. Looking at the specs page, I noticed the 7500 lists two cameras while the 7501 only has one. Is this the case? I'd just be giving up the VGA camera for voice calls, which I've never used anyways, but I guess it could be nice if I get to an area with better than EDGE service. Also, is the X7510's camera much / any better?
4. I've done a good bit of flashing / light bit of cooking with my Wizard. About how much harder is an advantage to reflash?
5. 8 gigs would be a considerable upgrade for me, I've been getting by on a 4 gig MiniSD that my Wizard only picks up about 3.7 gig of. Assuming I used a gig internally for pics, GPS, etc, I'd still have twice the capacity on HD alone vs my card.
Glad to get some input, got ignored at HowardForums.

Hmm... actually, saw some better pics of the Advantage. There is clearly no "D-Pad" like the PDA-style phones get. LAME.
Back to the drawing board. Kaiser's in the lead, AT&T owes me a discount phone since I bought my own hardware to the table. Too bad it doesn't have a flash.
http://www.imate.com/support/specs/SpecSheet_9502.pdf
Ooooooh... Do Want!

fatheadpi said:
Interesting comments, really appreciate the feedback. So, a few things.
1. ... how is it for texting? ...
2. ... can I expect to have my PocketNesterness hampered by an Advantage?
3. ... the 7500 lists two cameras while the 7501 only has one. Is this the case? Also, is the X7510's camera much / any better?...
4. ...About how much harder is an advantage to reflash?...
5. ...8 gigs ...
....got ignored at HowardForums.
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We play soccer here, 2-1 is the score, and the winners are ...HERMES-KAISER!
1) ATHENA's kb haven't any backlight, hard to use without a stable surface. Big screen means BIG on screen Kb too, but for texting ATHENA Kb isn't really good in standing situation, in the car, on the bus.... WORST comparing it with the HERMES or KAISER
2) Many games aren't usable in a VGA device. I don't know about emulators but less buttons mean less control! WORST comparing it with the HERMES or KAISER
3) Yes, it is. No, don't.
4) Just the same complexity and risks as Kaiser or Hermes
5) Yes, but are built IN. I prefer to have DATA on SD, to manage with the PC utilities, to share data with friends... but, yes BETTER than HERMES or KAISER
HOFO?
Believe me: for a "texter" and "gamer" ATHENA is a nightmare!

Yeah, that's what I'm seeing so far. I might settle on a Kaiser, looks like those are pretty well hacked, and I can get one for like $100 refurb'd through AT&T. I'm gonna see if I can scrounge up a deal on that I-Mate tho, no flash on the camera has repeatedly pissed me off with my Wizard.
On a different note, how is WM6 on a 400 Mhz processor? I'm using a Wizard OC'd to 216Mhz on a custom WM6 rom, and alot of stuff is SLOOOOW. Granted, even a Kaiser would more than double my phone power, but just curious.

Hey guys, I think it's getting obvious the Athena isn't for me. I'm gonna head over to the Kaiser forum and see what I can see. Thanks for the help.

Considering Orbit 2...a few questions

I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!

Seriously... Don't bother!

LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?

You will miss your qwerty. I don't know your Blue Angel, But my TC (i think all PocketPCs) has a delay when somebody calls you. Your phone will ring/vibrate after the one who calls you hears the first ring. So if somebody just gives you a call with one ring (bip) you won't hear it! Is it the same in your case, or mine is special? Maybe somebody else with TC can confirm/infirm this...

Yea, mine sort of have that sort of dealy.
I don't use my QWERTY keyboard anyway so that's not a problem.

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LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
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Just everything about it...
The build quality is terrible. Feels like a new hobbyist threw it together in 5 mins.
It seriously underperforms compared to my Old SE P990i and older XDA's
The modifications o2 have made to the software are rubbish.
I'm miffed I didn't hold out for the SE X1i

^ In your opinion, yes its not perfect, the screen is less than ideal but the build quality is great I think. Much better than my old SE P series phone which used to creak whenever squeezed etc and the flush screen is better than orbit 1
But I would hold out for the Diamond

I want the built in GPS, and the Diamond prices ae too much for what it is...
Any other decent HTCs with built in GPS?

the_scotsman said:
I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
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I've just switched from a Hermes/Tytn to the Orbit2. HardSPL'd it and installed the WM6.1 that's been floating about here and installed TomTom.
Losing the keyboard is a bit annoying (on screen is usable, but nowhere near as good) - but I realized I very rarely typed anything and smaller sized massively outweighs it.
GPS works very well - especially as Quick GPS which really does work.
Downsides:
Lost keyboard.
Upsides:
GPS - now just not having to lug around and charge my BT GPS module, but now much faster and lets me do all manner of stuff (geo-tag photos with a reg tweak), GPS trackers allowing me to see where I've been in google maps blah blah.
Much better camera - not so much the 2M -> 3M change - but AUTOFOCUS.
SMALLER - now it's not a small phone, but it's not an f'in brick like the last one.
No real difference noticed between the processors. Latest 6.1 I put on my Hermes made it lovely and snappy - and performs exactly the same on the Polaris. Only reservation I've got with the polaris is the screen res (i.e. same old rubbish). Not entirely convinced Hi-res WM is much better though after playign with colleagues PDAs - I've got an ipod touch and THAT is what i'd want somehow wedged into my phone..
In summary, if you want a phone now, I'd definitely get the XDA. If you can wait maybe see how Diamond and 3G iPhone stack up.
#edit - and build quality on my XDA (at least) is perfect. Nice solid feeling thing, love the slightly rubberized case.

Thanks very much for your opinion...I think I might just go with the Orbit 2 after all...a VGA screen would be nice, but I'm happy enough to have the standard one...and it's a little smaller than my BLue Angel so that's always a benefit.

Seriously this is an outstanding device. Software is software and any issues can 99% of the time be sorted with it and normally are, especially when you browse around these forums. Also bare in mind that all these devices now use windows mobile so I don't understand why someone would fault the Orbit 2 over another windows mobile device because of the software it comes with.....anyway the hardware itself is exceptional, I've posted a mini review if you look through my post history and there's plenty of in-depth reviews out there.
Losing the keyboard is a good thing in my opinion. A keyboard isn't necessary, its just as easy (if not easier) to use the software input (my personal preference is a T9 style pad that learns words and is very quick to use with just one hand like a normal phone) and obviously you save on weight and bulk.
The Orbit 2 looks great, is extremely responsive and comfortable to use and in my opinion is the best windows mobile device availible at this time.
Quick edit! - regarding the SW, the rom that the O2 Orbit 2 comes with is actually fine anyway, i've never encountered any issues with it - it would be nice to have the threaded SMS that 6.1 has but aside from that its fine and works great. Cheers!

SOunds like you're pretty damn happy with it then
So the 200MHz processor isn't an issue? Still responds well? Thing like TOmtom run well?

The Orbit 2 has a 400MHz CPU, it was the original Orbit that had 200 -it also has twice the amount of memory. TomTom was perfectly useable on the original Orbit but it noticeably runs smoother on the Orbit 2 - The Orbit 2 is a lot better at managing multiple tasks at the same time.
I was in two minds before upgrading becasue I had the original Orbit and wasn't sure if I'd get my money's worth. I was going to send it back if I wasn't happy with it. I'm more than happy with it though as you can tell! its a great device. You've always got that 14 day cooling period with O2 anyway so you may as well give it a go for yourself.

doh...you're right...I was thinking of the original Orbit.
No 14 day cooling off for me..I'm in Australia so the only way to get at a decent price is eBay.
I think I've been convinced to get the Orbit 2...just a pity it doesn't have VGA...and the diamond will probably be a fair amount more than the Orbit 2

Actually a the Diamond will be cheaper then the Polaris/Orbit2... But my oppinion is that the VGA is too much on a 2.8" screen...

The Orbit 2 is a damn good toy... after tuning the cache and graphic settings..speed was even better than before..
also gps works great...a lot of stuff in a small little case...

I am also happy with my orbit 2, copilot in mo is better then tomtom i have both installed.
I like golive's interface and extra settings plus the website for tracking is a good feature.
The Software available is none stop from here and other sources, unlike the iphone i had that you could only load decentish software if you hacked it..
a couple of minor gripes, the screen is a little shiny for sunny day use and the camera could be alot better.
apart from that i am very happy with it, let hops the diamond touch flo 3d becomes available then that will make this device look great.
the hsdpa speed is great when in the right areas, 50k download speed from my laptop...
the gps seems acurate enough, fast on a warm start as well.
its performance could be a little better but overall its very good.
I would install opera mini as i have found this much better then ie and opera mobile for day to day use.
as for the missing keyboard, try touchpal or the diamond keyboards, also make sure you adjust the sensivity of the screen do a search on here, i think the keyboard is great been software as you can load loads of different types and type quicker with the stylus on some over a flip out keyboard.
the flip out keyboard types can be a little thicker as well you cannot replace or remap keys like a software keyboard so there are plus's and minus's to both concepts...
if you type alot then get a bluetooth keyboard, or a laptop.....
i don't think you will b unhappy with your purchase...

Actually imho any HTC device when just introduced will very rarely be upto my expectation and initially i am always dissapointed,for the first few days,its just a matter of customizing(a heart felt thanks to this forum for teaching us how too) to our personal choice and then i just can't seem to live without them.When i took the Cruise i returned it the next day,very dissapointed with the handset,nothing it could do(and in the factory state it could'nt domuch)was enough,I thought that my Kaiser was far better,then after going through the Cruise forum went and picked it up again,customized it and now wonder how did I ever think negatively abbout this handset,I just love it the feel of it in my hand and also the perfomance,ended up keeping both the Kaiser and Cruise without regrets.

ETEN Glofiish X800 vs TyTNII?

Hello guys...
After some technical problems with my Kaiser (now in service), and after realizing that I don't really use the hardware keyboard all that much (a major criterion when I chose Kaiser), I was thinking of trading it for the ETEN Glofiish X800. I'm tempted by the 500MHz processor and the brilliant VGA screen, however are there any opinions on how well it fares in other issues? GPS, overall speed etc?
Thanks in advance,
t

if you don't want a keyboard anymore, you should maybe also consider the HTC Touch Diamond...very small and light, nice vga screen, gps, 4GB internal memory, etc.

Hmmm you could be right, I didn't think of that. Its processor is running @ 400MHz instead of 500, though, and a full €100/$160 more than the X800, so I'm not sure how it compares. One big plus is the wealth of custom ROMs lying around - haven't seen anything for the ETEN device...
Thanks for the advice

btw, don't forget to consider the iPhone 3G too...maybe not so interessting if you have a lot of windows mobile specific applications...but for normal use like mail, phone, calendar, etc it can be interessting.
anyway, before buying any new device, I can advice everyone to wait like a month or two, untill the iPhone 3G gets available everywhere. I hope the prices of many other windows mobile devices will drop after the 3G introduction.
the diamond and 3g are very comparable device, still the diamond costs 500euro and the 3g will be something like 300euro (without contract) in Belgium. so i expect htc will have to drop theire prices to concurrent with apple.

Ah no, not interested in iPhones! Not only do I need the Windows functionality indeed, but I have developed a certain anti-anti-establishment feeling against it, I just hate how 'hip' it has become
Still competition is good nonetheless. Now, I wonder, why on earth hasn't the TyTNII come down since its launch, at least in Greece? Still going for €800!

i too still prefer windows mobile because of some applications I couldn't live without...but after playing for a while with an iPhone I was really impressed with its responsiveness and stability. It couldn't nearly do as much as what I can do with my windows mobile device, but the things that the iPhone could do were working very well, very smooth. And that's something I can't say from my pocket pc. But anyway, I already got used to the many crashes and softreset that it now doesn't really bother me anymore

So have I, have used Windows for so long I'm all too used to it The firts major disadvantage of the iPhone would be the GPS functionality - what would I do without my iGo?
So, anyone with an idea about the ETEN vs HTC?

eten FTW! i just wished it had a BIGGER vga screen like the iphone! but the gps sirf III kills that iphone AGPS for sure! plus i hate mac stuff!
just wished our x800 had more internal RAM! 64 is not enuff!

I had an X800 before I got my Touch Cruise and I have to say, the only thing better than the TC is the VGA screen, other than that, it kept developing a Micro SD problem where the locking mechanism would break and the SD card wouldn't lock in place (I had one replacement unit, and an attempted repair, and it seems other people have had the same problem) It is also significantly slower than my TC (when you press a menu option in TomTom, you can see the menu layers change it is that slow!). Couple that with the recessed screen so it's almost impossible to press the x button without using the stylus, and I'm much happier with the touch cruise than the X800. I won't buy another E-Ten device as they seem to have very poor after sales service, and almost non-existent support for European users!