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http://www.htcclub.net/en/shownews.php?ID=294
Nice show
hope this stuff will be available to kaiser...
pserbanp said:
http://www.htcclub.net/en/shownews.php?ID=294
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Hope so indeed - looks stunning!!!!!
jcespi2005 said:
Nice show
hope this stuff will be available to kaiser...
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For shure will be like WM6 was for all WM5 PDAPhones (TyTn,3600...etc)
to bad thats a smartphone OS shown there and not a ppc OS
WM7...
...will have nearly same features that iPhone showed last year...
To me looks to be the next zune device, as you can see one of the screenshots where the mp3 is playing. A copy cat of IPHONE definately but nicer feel of the OS we currently use on the kaiser.
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to bad thats a smartphone OS shown there and not a ppc OS
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Windows Mobile 7 will dramatically change the way we use mobile devices. It will emphasize the use of touch on the device, as well as motion gestures created by using the device. It is, absolutely, Microsoft’s effort to beat back the iPhone, and the iPhone is referenced several times in the document.
Windows Mobile 7 will use touch gestures, similar to how the iPhone does. You will be able to flick through lists, pan, swipe sideway, draw on the screen. A lot of emphasis has been put on making navigation easier and doing away with scrollbars, including a new scroll handle that allows for multiple ways of finding items extremely fast.
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Also, row 1 column 2 shows a SIP keyboard. I think this is the PPC version.
Well it certainly looks like more then just a skin face lift, looks pretty darn cool. I hope we can use it on our recently new devices, but when they say that gestures will be controlled by a camera looking up through the screen, i dont know if that applies to device hardware we have now?
Id on' really know how the biotouch stuff works right now
edit: ohh they must mean the actual camera on the back/front f your device that would do that sort of recognition I guess. I just remember seeing this youtube video of a microsoft screen witht hat "shock" technology where the guy said the screen had a a camera under it so it was able to follow all your gestures etc.. perhaps nto the same tech we are talkigna bout here I suppose.
It sure looks interesting. One thing though:
It will feature graphical transitions, subtle effects, and other things to make it more interesting to look at.
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My fears are that - as with Vista - it's a lot of window dressing with limited (added) functionality. And for all that window dressing, we need more power. More power means more battery power. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I'd rather have a dull looking tool than a great looking gadget.
At this moment, the Psion 5MX that I used to own, beats a WM6 device on functionality. Hands down.
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My fears are that - as with Vista - it's a lot of window dressing with limited (added) functionality.
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I just have to say, if you read the tech docs, Vista added a LOT under the hood - it's not just an XP "skin." Truth is, I even see a lot of added functionality in plain view as well.
Club3d said:
To me looks to be the next zune device, as you can see one of the screenshots where the mp3 is playing. A copy cat of IPHONE definately but nicer feel of the OS we currently use on the kaiser.
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This really doesn't mean anything... just because it looks like a Zune doesn't mean it IS a Zune. As I posted in this thread a month ago (to VERY little fanfare ), MS has an entire department dedicated to giving WM the functionality of a Zune. It's called the "Pink and Purple Project."
The only thing that scares me is that they'll make it SO much like the Zune that I'll lose my Media Player functionality - I remember reading that Zunes have proprietary software and don't use WMP - they're not even "PlaysForSure!" Not sure if that's accurate.
However, can't Media Center convert saved shows to a low quality and sync up with a Zune automatically over WiFi? How sweet would that be for my Tilt!
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I thought the pictures show touch screen and Smartphone doesn't have touch screen does it? anyway, someone will make that keyboard available sooner than WM7 for sure
How can you work the gestures without a touchscreen? So it's for PPC.
Thanx for sharing the info
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If you've read anything about Windows Mobile 7 you would know that Microsoft will not have different SKUs for SmartPhone or PocketPCs this time around.
It will be one size fits all. (Probably still in a few different flavors so OEMs can chose one with Office and one without etc, but the general functionality, look and core will be the same)
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How can you work the gestures without a touchscreen? So it's for PPC. Thanx for sharing the info
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Maybe I'm an idiot, but I think think this Smartphone vs. PPC argument is moot.
You see, the gestures and touch features (such as dual touch) described in that document can't be done with Smartphones OR PPCs yet. They require the new touch system that the iPhone has (using electricity from your body vs. pressure on the screen), and thus these features (and maybe WM7 entirely) will depend on an entirely new generation of devices.
As such, if WM7 is truly such a huge leap, I doubt we'll see the entire thing released for the Tilt - I'm sure some chefs will extract and add features to WM6, but looks like the Tilt and ANY WM6 devices at this point won't be able to handle that stuff.
(That's not even my $0.02 worth, because there's a distinct possibility that I have no idea what I'm talking about...)
I found this, SEXY
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2008/01/06/exclusive-windows-mobile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Citrap
Seeing as the kaiser has no accelerometer, that feature is useless...
And for all you noobs who are going to say GPS!!!, that is no where in hell as accurate as i needs to be to detect in/out in 2 or 3 inches (pulg.)
gabriel31337 said:
...will have nearly same features that iPhone showed last year...
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Friday I have the iphone..!! But I will always have my tytn 2 (however HTC scrude us with the drivers) I just dont know how to unlock it yet.
this is old news!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357183
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333211
and there are many more!
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I just have to say, if you read the tech docs, Vista added a LOT under the hood - it's not just an XP "skin." Truth is, I even see a lot of added functionality in plain view as well.
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Sure, but most of it is eye-candy and stuff that I don't care about. I want functionality, stuff I can use.
I'm currently looking into getting a new handset, i have been carrying around both my XDA Orbit and my HTC S710 (Vox) for a while now, and want to move onto just having one handset. My criteria was simple, keypad or keyboard with dpad and touchscreen, gps and wifi. I found the perfect phone, the HTC Touch Dual. Which I assumed was perfect until I heard it had no wifi! (God damn HTC, silly mistake!, and although it also has no gps, i could easily just use my keyring gps!). So, reluctantly I had to find another handset and thus I did, the Samsung i780, its all perfect, BUT it has a square screen (320x320)! So I was wondering, does anyone here have any experience with square screens? For example what works well program wise and what doesnt? ect ect. Thanks in advance xda-developee's.
(Note to mods: If this is in the wrong section please feel free to move it, thanks)
320x320 is better than 240x240, but it's still an oddball. App compat is a problem. Attached is an app snap in 320x320, to give you an idea.
My main disappointment from the pics I've seen is that WM seems to treat it as a 240x240 square screen for compatability, so you still get 30% less lines on your today screen than you would on QVGA.
So, upgrading the screen from 320x240 to 320x320 actually gives you LESS text and icons on the screen! Only in the world of WM...
i managed to get my hands on a 320x320 device, and it doesn't like most of the apps that I run. so i have now seen a new hp phone im after, the ipaq 614c. hopefully it will be out soon.
I am also anxiously waiting for the HP614c. Any news by when we can expect it to become commercially available
I'm considering buying a i780, but this problem with WM treating it as a 240x240 screen is a bit troubling. Does anyone know if this will be the case in all applications (like IE, Opera, E-book readers etc.)? If it's only the today screen it's not too big of a deal (at least for me), but if other applications are affected it would be pretty bad.
Here's an interesting read on WM Team Blog about 320x320:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/03/02/320x320-revisited.aspx
Turns out they have a 128 dpi (versus 96 dpi on QVGA and 240x240 Pocket PCs).
I guess the question then becomes weather the DPI will affect other applications, or is it only the today screen that's affected? Is it possible to somehow change the DPI to 96 (which makes a lot more sense to me)?
How is the new experience with the TP? Is it worth the money for the average Joe? Which features are notoriusly superior? Thanks for any details...I´m on the fence about the upgrade....
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How is the new experience with the TP? Is it worth the money for the average Joe? Which features are notoriusly superior? Thanks for any details...I´m on the fence about the upgrade....
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There is a similar thread asking the same/similar question - do a search.
1. Missing key mapping, kaiser can map a hardware key u want, TP cannot. (no app support remap hard key on TP)
2. Slow, rearly slower than kaiser, may be 640 x 480 device more hungry?
3. Keyboard miss "win" key & "ok" key.
Yana said:
1. Missing key mapping, kaiser can map a hardware key u want, TP cannot. (no app support remap hard key on TP)
2. Slow, rearly slower than kaiser, may be 640 x 480 device more hungry?
3. Keyboard miss "win" key & "ok" key.
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1 can be done through registry editing or using a program like (AEBPlus) I think it was?
3, the American version has that. :O
Oops, just realized the OP is from CR, so the American version won't help him much.
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How is the new experience with the TP? Is it worth the money for the average Joe? Which features are notoriusly superior? Thanks for any details...I´m on the fence about the upgrade....
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Not for the average joe I guess lots of eye-candy goodness for VGA, but still slow imo when using touchflo3d. Still need to get used to TomTom in VGA.. it's renders the streets really small compared to my tytn II before!
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I am pleased with TP, as it open up more options for VGA and G-Force appliaction. I used to flash a lot of ROMs since I was using Kaiser, but I am quite satisfied with TP original rom, only doing some tweaking here and there...
I agree that the speed is slower than Kaiser, but I believe with more people using TP, there will be better solution in XDA. Would everyone agree on this?
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1 can be done through registry editing or using a program like (AEBPlus) I think it was?
3, the American version has that. :O
Oops, just realized the OP is from CR, so the American version won't help him much.
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AEButton Plus can't map more than a few hard keys on the face and sides of a device, as far as I know (and I have it installed on my Mogul)
I don't regret going from my Kaiser to the TP at all.
After following some of the "Tweaks" suggested in the below threads and installing most of the programs to my memory card I honestly don't feel a speed difference.
I just see the TP as the Kaiser done properly - OK anything running on WM will have small bugs, but as ecoline said the more poeple using the TP the more we'll clear the bugs and improve the TP's performance.
Raphael Tweaks
Advanced Configuration Tool v3.2
Tweak collection for the HTC Touch Pro
Another thing I want to add-- TP is like Kaiser buffed for VGA processes. Bigger images to render = more power and memory to do it. All of my contacts in my Kaiser has a full screen contact picture for S2U2, and checking them in TP they've been reduced about 1/3 their size. It was fast browsing them, but as soon as I changed the pictures to match the size of my TP screen browsing them was slow. S2U2 for VGA needs more memory than the QVGA.
So it's like using Kaiser but VGA. Still slow in my standard, but lots of VGA goodness
I found the Kaiser with Touchflow 2D installed (along with the other cabs for all the other apps that are on the Touch Pro) was actually a lot nicer to use. The screen updated instantly (e.g scrolling left and right on the tf bar, you could see the cursor under your finger and the screen always kept up); whereas on the Pro you see the cursor follow your finger and the screen update is about 12 frames a second.
All in all, with the Kaisers screen update and finger following speed makes Touchflow a nicer experience.
But.... the Touch Pro screen is fantastic and in VGA which makes everything so crisp. The keyboard is even better than Kaisers and has full querty 5 lines. The look of the phone is sexy for once. The size of the phone is much better even though it is only 1cm shorter (a couple of mm thinner and it would be perfect). The camera actually takes good pictures that I actually keep, the first for a camera on a phone for me, though the LED flash is just like any other - bit of a gimmik. Everything else hardware wise is at least as good as on the Kaiser or better.
In my first week I found the Touch Pro to be very buggy and slow. It's crashed a couple of times, freezed for no apparent reason (from 1 to 20 seconds), the screen update in the interface is slow and annoying, the finger detection sometimes seemed to miss now and then making it annoying to use at times. Typing messages would freeze randomly at about 100 typed chars intervals and then come back 10 seconds later!!!
Sounds bad doesn't it?
But, I have since fixed most of the problems. Have since upgraded to the DXS v15 ROM, done a few of the tweaks from this forum, fixed the typing freeze bug by turning WiFi power to "best performance" (strange but it fixes it). I'm hoping the WiFi power setting fixes other freezes I've experienced.... time will tell. I've even managed to stop it auto connecting to GPRS data with Pocket Toolman 2 (I have have to pay for data on my contract), prefer to use WiFi, this should be an option in Windows Mobile but isn't.
Now, after a lot of fiddling the phone seems to be very usable, dare I say very nice to use. My main gripe is that the interface doesn't run quicker with fast screen update and have better finger input accuracy from being faster. I can't see why this can't be fixed, if the Youtube app can show videos at 20fps (or whatever it is) whilst downloading & decoding mpeg and read the touch screen, why doesn't Touchflow manage to display 10 2d image at a decent framerate (as you finger scroll the bar to select the view, all it is doing is displaying static screens to show which you have selected).
Oh, and there are a couple of things missing or wrong with the Touchflow apps too. For instance, the 3d email view is very nice but there is nothing to show which emails in the view are unread; And there is no way to tell if you are at the first or last email.... or any other. The image view needs an option to rotate the image (it rotates if you turn the phone, but if the image is wrong and needs rotating, it will just rotate to the screen orientation and still be wrong). The email view does really need updating as it is like a dumb blonde - pretty but useless, you end up having to go into the normal email list view to actually manage your emails.
I'll conclude with this though: At the end of the day I wouldnt go back the the Kaiser, the Touch Pro is much sexier, nice to hold and show. The usability is pretty good after you update and tweak it. I can only see things improving with updates. And as for worth the money, Vodafone do the phone free with 600 mins & unlimited texts on a £35 contract..... great value to me.
Having never dared to change my device's rom for warranty reasons, and not having been able to do any official upgrade as my kaiser was an operator version ( SFR aka Vodafone ) I must say I am very satisfied with my touch Pro. I find it superior to the Kaiser in EVERY aspect comparing two official roms : so much better battery life, much better performance even if the resolution is much better, instant landscape to portrait switching...
The GPS is said to be worst (but I didn't ever manage to make it work correctly on the Kaiser anyways).
There are some small issues compared to the Kaiser :
- the softkeys are missing (right and left keys above internet and mail keys on the kaiser - an issue for some games but in fact it was a windows mobile 5 phone edition standard and has been deprecated, so recent software work perfectly without these)
- no scrollweel on the left side and that's a real loss. The central button can be used as a "virtual scrollweel" as it is touch sensitive but it only works with opera and is not very comfortable to use. However some third party utilies can map the volume slider, not very useful in my opinion, to up and down keys.
- The four front pannel keys and directionnal keys are physical but behind the same big plastic cover, which means the whole bottom half cover of the phone presses on a button. This means the directional keys, wich are in the center of this plastic cover are nearly useless...
Reminds me of some Apple mice...
BUT
- Touchflo 3D is an extremely good addition, eye candy and actually really useful (the preview of the mails for example is really excellent). A lot of great software additions compared to Kaiser.
- Having an FM radio too is a nice feature...
- Everything looks so much better in VGA... Even QVGA apps (games) are filtered so that you don't see big ugly pixels. And it's not just a question of look. Excel can actually be used with this resolution, and web browsing - with opera - is actually possible. On the kaiser it isn't, not just for a question of software or speed...
- The new keyboard is WAY better, specially if you need to type special caracters like in french.
- I had a Fujitsu Siemens Pocket Look 720 before buying the Kaiser, the idea being not to have a phone and an organizer in my pockets all of the time, but I was disgusted with this phone which wasn't up to my expectations, inferior in many aspects to my FS pocket PC, I found it ugly, slow, too much power consuming, with a horrible screen, and of bad material quality: one of the small plastic clips of the battery panel got quickly broken... Not to mention those missing hardware drivers.
I thought I would never buy an HTC ever again.
But I did, and now I can get rid of my Fujitsu Siemens pocket pc which was so good but is now in every way inferior to my new phone (well apart from the big screen - but that's not good for a phone - and the 3.5 jack)
pfcsabre said:
Not for the average joe I guess lots of eye-candy goodness for VGA, but still slow imo when using touchflo3d. Still need to get used to TomTom in VGA.. it's renders the streets really small compared to my tytn II before!
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Tomtom already has software specifically made for the VGA/touchpro screens in beta, will be released sometime in November according to them.
Tomtom Navigator 7 posted here actually leaked (extracted) from HTC Diamond since Jun 20, 08. The newer version 7.451.9033 (VGA and QVGA) is available also.
Yup its like a Kaiser with everything fixed, looks better and is more usable in daily use. Very happy with mine.
Hello everyone out there...
I'm undecided on which I should use... should I get a hava from http://www.myhava.com and rig that up to my set top box or use my existing slingbox from Sling?
I used to have my sling via Symbian, but it annoyed me that I had to pay for a player that wasn't working on the more up to date symbian phones, so never used it again.
I don't have a windows mobile sling mobile player so can't try it and wanted to know all your thoughts before I dove in!
Cheers
I've the slingbox running on WM since a few years.....on the HD2 it's better then ever. You can download a 30 day trial from the website. www.slingmedia.com
I've SlinBox Solo. Working great via HSDPA and WIFI. You should have something like 1Mb/s upload rate at home.
When you guys use SlingPlayer mobile on the HD2, if you run it at full screen, does it actually go to full screen? On mine, it make is go into landscape mode and while the picture is noticeably larger, it not quite 100% full screen - there's a black border on all sides? Is that about right? Or have I downloaded and installed the wrong version?
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When you guys use SlingPlayer mobile on the HD2, if you run it at full screen, does it actually go to full screen? On mine, it make is go into landscape mode and while the picture is noticeably larger, it not quite 100% full screen - there's a black border on all sides? Is that about right? Or have I downloaded and installed the wrong version?
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Try menu=> display and turn "letterbox" off.....
I just get black on the sides in full screen as it doesn't support widescreen or even stretch to widescreen yet. I will write below what I have written on other threads only to gain exposure and hopefully get help from fellow xda users.
"I have been trying to drum up support on the uservoice forum for sling to get better controls for windows mobile & full screen support. I have posted requests for support before but as I suspect the total amount of users that use a slingbox on xda is quite low so its slow going.
I have recently done the same thing for the layar app and support for that is amazing.
So I'll try again and see if we can get some updates from sling.
Please register and give your comment & votes. If we don't ask we don't get!!
http://sling.uservoice.com/pages/188...windows-mobile
http://sling.uservoice.com/pages/188...ing-listening-
http://sling.uservoice.com/pages/188...friendly-on-wm
http://sling.uservoice.com/pages/188...reen?ref=title
There are more ideas there you may want to vote on etc... every little helps.
Thanks"
the HD2 lacks a built-in image editor, anyone know a good one I can install on the device? simple functions as contrast, light, gamma, saturation and such are only needed. not looking for a app to draw with..
Resco Photo manager does a good job
When I bought a Touch Pro2 one of the reasons was that you can't really sketch on a capacitive screen, so I couldn't get an HD2. Believe it or not but I often draw on my Rhodium and send my logo concepts etc to clients simply because its the fastest available way if I have no access to a computer and scanner.
I use PocketArtist 'cause it has its similarities to Photoshop (layer support etc), so that's what I would recommend but I think that for simple photo editing you can also use Photoshop Mobile that you launch from the internet browser. Haven't tried it though.
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Thanks!
_LeCiel_ said:
When I bought a Touch Pro2 one of the reasons was that you can't really sketch on a capacitive screen, so I couldn't get an HD2. Believe it or not but I often draw on my Rhodium and send my logo concepts etc to clients simply because its the fastest available way if I have no access to a computer and scanner.
I use PocketArtist 'cause it has its similarities to Photoshop (layer support etc), so that's what I would recommend but I think that for simple photo editing you can also use Photoshop Mobile that you launch from the internet browser. Haven't tried it though.
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Photoshop mobile looks good, found no web-interface editor, only the app [at] photoshop.com.. though it's only for android and iPhone/iPad, guess I have to wait for a good Android-build for the HD2.
Will check out pocketartist!