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Hi I'm new to these forums, yes I've already done loads of searching and reading the wiki entries, this sounds like a really tight community with really knowledgable people doing stuff that would take microsoft a year to release in a patch themselves.
Anyways I currently have a motorola v300 and i'm feeling the need to upgrade to a gsm pda phone. I would be using it mostly as a phone on a rogers gsm network and for a device to watch movies and pictures on and maybe a bit of surfing. So the himalaya and blueangel look pretty promising and they both offer WM5 upgrade. I was just wondering which one you'd recommend? I guess I'm already kind of leaning towards the blueangel because there seem to be more new ones hanging around on ebay plus the wifi which would be fun to mess around with. But does the himalaya offer better support for WM5? I just noticed more documentation on WM5 for himalaya than for BA (but did notice a himalaya wm5 version to install on BA). Do you think WM5 performs about equal on both?
I was also considering the universal but I think it's a bit out of my price range, and I've read it's kind of slow/buggy? It looks really nicely designed though.
Thanks for your input.
Although I own neither (I have a good old Wallaby), I'd say go with the BlueAngel as it seems to have more features including WiFi and a pull out QWERTY keyboard. Both devices have the same spec CPU and memory so in theory WM5 should perform equally but I haven't seen it for myself so I can only say 'in theory'.
Regards,
Neil.
Blueangel!! first of all it has much better sound through loudspeaker and much more batterry life!! go for BA!!
i have used both BA and hymalaia. BA was the best. But the only problem i have is:
the bluetooth range is only 4 meters when connected with a handsfree.
Don't even think, get blueangel
have any of you guys had other products,exec,charmer etc etc etc
basically,im considering a treo after my exec,but im really off windows after all the resets abd frezzes etc,but on another forum(3g),a guy told me he had other htc devices and they had been the same but his treo had one reset in 8months and was far more stable
have you found this to be true?
thanks
I have had an Magician and a Wizard prior to my 750. I was fed up with them not functioning as I would have liked and bought a Symbian (SE M600). I quickly realized the the UIQ3 OS is not nearly as well fleshed out as the UIQ2 and it too provided more problems than I was willing to handle. After giving a non smart phone a try I decided to give WM one more shot and bought the 750.
I can say, without a doubt, that the 750 is the best smartphone that I have used to date. Previous WM devices felt like pocket pcs with phone functionality tacked on. The 750 feels like the phone operation of the device wasn't just an afterthought, but integrated from the get go.
As far as stability, I very rarely have to soft reset my device, perhaps once every three weeks. I tend to think that phones shouldn't need to be soft reset but once in a blue moon, but as far as WM devices go this one still holds the stability record.
I have outright purchased 3 phones in the 6 months leading up to my 750 and by my preference there isn't a better phone on the market, WM or not.
brill reply mate thanks so much,
the main issue i had before was getting out the exec to find it had frozen up and id missed calls,
i think im deffo gonna go with a treo ,i guess its just deciding which
if i may ask mate,how do you find the battery life and are they touch screen? i was under the impression that as a smart phone they are not touch screen but then they have a stylus?
thanks mate youve really helped
The Treo is in fact a pocket pc. Why do they call it a Smartphone then? No idea!
But I must say that I hardly use the stylus of the device, maybe that's why?
Concerning the battery life, I can use the device for 2 or 3 days.
I've owned multiple PocketPC's and must say that the Treo is by far the most stable of them all
hmm 750 or 680 or wait for the new 755p ,i dont know which but thta made my mind up 100% thanks guys
im due an upgarde on tmob uk,ill get a n95,then sell it on unused and get a treo
if anyone else can offer any info,compereing treo and other pda's I'd be really greatfull
thank you
i've been using the 750v since november - definitely the most stable windows mobile device i've ever had. prior to the Treo I had a tytn which was a pain, a treo 650 (which i've still got - palm os is still a really good os but doesn't support 3G), an eten m500....... etc.
Palm just seem to get the balance right - they work!
the more i hear the better it gets ,thanks for your input mate
I can attest to the 2-3 day battery life. It takes a couple of weeks of use to break in the battery, though. The first couple of days, maybe week, the battery only held a day. The only downside is that the Treo uses the same proprietary charge cable that--to the best of my knowledge--all previous Treos have used. Gone are the days of a standard mini USB cable in the backpack.
Sorry for the smartphone confusion. Smartphone as described by my experience ( wikipedia has my back on this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone ) is any high end phone that has personal computer or PDA like characteristics. (P990, M600, the original Palm OS Treos, all WM convergence devices) Microsoft had to go and make things confusing by redefining an already defined term.
Long story short; The Treo 750 is a full fledged, touch screen implementation of Windows Mobile 5. Some software may have problems with the 240x240 resolution square screen, although the popularity of the Treo has helped to push problematic programs to minority. The vast majority work just fine.
Oh, as mccune touched on, the one handed operation of the phone (ie, sans stylus) is great. The thumb keyboard is small enough to type with one hand, but still large enough to use 2 if you like. Navigating menus and through the vast majority of programs works flawlessly with the hardware keys. I only use the touch screen for the occasional game or for configuring phonealarm.
amazing feedback everyone seems to love there treo,shame its not on more networks in the uk
OK.. Tell us why you love the Treo 750 with WM6 upgrade!
As for me, I love the fact that i can use the main nav keys to do everything.
I've tried the Apple IPhone and came back to my Treo 750 because its just so damn easy to use!!
My answer is simple: it's the most stable WM device I've ever used and the Treo 750 is the only truly one hand usable WM professionell phone I know.
Shure pure display, bio touch, what ever gadgets are fun to test at first, but when it comes to real life and all day usage, the Treo beats them. i.e. it does not matter if I walk, use it in the car - the device is quick and reliable - it just works. And entering text was never that simple.
I'm running the generic wm6 rom, using exchange all day long and tomtom up to 5 times a day. I've never experienced hang ups, missed calls due to system failures... even web browsing is quick and effectiv. Just wrote this reply on my treo.. ;-)
Just 100% satisfied and I will switch to the 800w if it will offer more ram and gps.
And you can use Mini SDHC 4GB, very good for entertaiment. Charge battery with USB very useful. The interface beautiful.
I've now owned a Treo 600 and a Treo 750. I went to the 600 from a Blackberry 957 (ooold schoool) and was reluctant since the BB did what it was designed for very well. However, once I got used to the tiny keyboard and learned all the other great things the Treo could do, I was hooked. Haven't looked back. Love my Treo 750 and WM6 makes it even more stable. However, with all the advances in touch technology, the Treo form factor is getting long in the tooth. I believe the iPhone style of UI (all touch - minimal HW buttons) is the future. Heck I can type just as easily with PocketCM Keyboard on my little Treo screen as I can with the HW KB (not that I do it that often). Obviously as a member of this forum I am not a fan of the iPhone as is since it has very limited "hackability" at this time, so am eagerly awaiting the next WM version or Android and a nice piece of hardware with which to take advantage of the new wave of UI.
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My answer is simple: it's the most stable WM device I've ever used and the Treo 750 is the only truly one hand usable WM professionell phone I know.
Shure pure display, bio touch, what ever gadgets are fun to test at first, but when it comes to real life and all day usage, the Treo beats them. i.e. it does not matter if I walk, use it in the car - the device is quick and reliable - it just works. And entering text was never that simple.
I'm running the generic wm6 rom, using exchange all day long and tomtom up to 5 times a day. I've never experienced hang ups, missed calls due to system failures... even web browsing is quick and effectiv
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totally agree with you!!
treo 750 and bb 8100 are the devices I use with more pleasure... clearly depending on what I have to do during the day
Why do I love my treo 750? Bc:
1.- It´s pretty small (there´re smaller devices but not like this one)
2.- It has a full-qwerty keyboard in the front (very useful to text, email and word quickly)
3.- Despiste its only 300mHz of processor, it can play videos just downloaded from emule, without converting them, or if I have time enough I can convert them to save more memory.
4.- It goes faster than my old qtek 2020i with its 520mHz processor and WM2003
5.- It´s one of more stable pocket pc phone edition i have ever had
I love her even more when I bought a micro SDHC 8GB (Sandisk) and try it with a minisd adapter....WORKS GREAT!!!
6.- Despite it has no wifi, I normally use vodafone real mail which push my mails and let me surf the net unlimmited.
7.- I read news on it using avantgo
8.- I listen to music, news & talks live thorugh HSDPA
9.- I even watch TV while I have time through my treo
10.- I´ve owned a lot of different devices and really loved them all:
- Palm IIIe (year 2000)
- Palm m100
- Palm Vx
- Palm m515
- HP iPaq 1910
- Hp iPaq 1930
- Hp iPaq 5555
- Hp iPaq rx3715
- Hp iPaq 4150
- Hp iPaq 2750
- Hp iPaq rx1940 (I think)
- Qtek 2020i
- Qtek S200
- HTC TyTN
- Qtek 9000
- PALM TREO 750v
But nothing like treo 750v. After all this time & models I realized that HP makes such a great devices and they all have a GREAT wifi signal if you compare with qtek/HTC.
HTC devices are pretty good too, but when I got the palm treo 750 everything changed. As I started my little steps with Palm, I came back home with the new treo 750, and never regret.
Hope Palm gets well soon, and let us feel and try even better devices. I prefer what Palm does, they normally don´t sell more than 2 or 3 new devices a year, and that´s good from my point of view. They should concentrate on what they do, and do it right (and people & users will THANK YOU)
Sorry for this long message but wanted to type a lot.
See u guys
I love the Treo 750 even more after leaving it for 2 days to try out a ATT 8925 Tilt. The til is so unstable and freezes. I had official Rom, custom ROm, Unbranded ROm. Doesnt matter the tilt lags compare to treo despite the 400mhz processor.
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HTC devices are pretty good too, but when I got the palm treo 750 everything changed.
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Treo 750 is an HTC phone. Palm had HTC make the phone!
I love the nice leathery/velvety feel on the back! Gives it a touch of class! =)
I love it since I could have blackberry functionality from this device. Even better.
One thing from WM 6, I haven't get my treo to do bluetooth connection DUN to my other phone as a modem.
I dont know why?
The Palm Treo 750 is an amazing little phone. I've used a number of WM devices before this one and never been entirely satisfied with the stability and functionality. The Treo 750 is the perfect WM device - stable, fast, versatile, easy to use. It just works day after day. It can't be beaten!
Hi all,
My wife's Treo 650 (PalmOS) is dying and she's considering an upgrade to the Treo750. I was very happy to find out that the Treo750 is a HTC device as I began to research on the 750. I have owned an SMT5600 and imate JAM (HTC Magician) before, and now am a proud owner of HTC Touch. I have had very good experience with HTC phones, and honestly I don't think I'll be using another brand ever again in my life
Anyways, even though it will be my wife's phone, I will be the one installing programs, setting it up and tweaking it for her. That's fine, cos I really enjoy it and is the reason why I like PDA-phones. She liked the 650 because it used a Palm OS, which was simpler than WM. But that's fine, as I plan to install launchers that keep things simple and easy for her.
My biggest concern of the 750 though, is it uses a 240x240 screen. I just don't know if I can install regular PPC softwares that are designed for QVGA resolution on it.
She isn't a 'power user' but does require softwares like MSN Messenger, email applications (I use Flexmail), internet browser (Opera Mini is what I use now) as well as the regular PIM applications. I wonder if these software work well in 240x240 resolution.
What's your experience with installing softwares on the Treo750? Is the odd-ball screen size a concern most of the times?
And what's your overall experience with the Treo750?
Thanks in advance,
Go for it and don't look back. I had an HTC Wizard and the Treo 750 is MUCH easier to use. Not as many roms but the day to day use more than makes up for it. I like to try a lot of software and I've only run into one issue with task switching program, otherwise no issues at all. Good luck.
I too have an HTC 8525. I bought a Palm 750 off eBay relatively cheap and popped my SIM card in it so I could see if I wanted to use a 750 more than my 8525.
What I like about the 750 is the keyboard in the front, and the one-handedness use of it vs. my 8525 slide out keyboard and thus requires the use of both hands.
What I like about the 8525 is the fact that it DOES have a slide out keyboard and the keys are bigger than the 750. I also like the larger 240 x 320 screen. I REALLY would love that on the 750.
The other thing that was already mentioned is the ROM's. I put vp3G 3.62.3 on my 8525 and it's terrific. I put the WM6.1 ROM on the Treo (HardSPL required) and that is nice too but it could use more features.
All in all, if screen size isn't a show stopper for you, go with the Treo. I would highly recommend loading MagicButton on it so when you close apps, they truly close instead of staying resident in memory and causing you to bring up task manager to end them all. On the 8525 I use HTC X-Button for this. And it includes an awesome task manager on the home screen in the top right corner.
If you do choose an 8525, I don't think you can go wrong. It's a great solid phone.
I too went through several smartphones before i landed on a Treo 750. Had the Moto MPX220, the 8125, then finally the Treo 750. I have to be hoenst. The 750 wasn't my first choice, but was forced to due to availablility and the need for the 3G connectivity and for a better QWERTY keyboard. Not that the 8125 keyboard was bad, but was looking for something I could type one handed. However, for the 8 months i had this, it was a very good experience. Now with the upgrade to WM6, it is even better.
I would agree that the screen being the square 240 x 240. It may leave you wanting more screen space, but you or your wife will get used to it. It is still functional, if not with alittle more scrolling in some apps.
The keyboard maybe small, but will get used to it very fast. It's very functional, and being a Treo user already, not much of a transition.
I do want to say that the battery life is not great, barely lasts a day...even with minimal useage. From what I read, it's because the of 3G signal, which is famous for sucking the life out of 3G phones from AT&T, but an extended battery will help greatly. But that will make the phone alittle fatter, but worth it. Not saying that the OEM battery is that bad, but you may want to consider a car charger or take a power plug around.
Other than that, being a WM phone...that opens up alot of free apps that would do nothing by enchance the 750. Would I recommend it now....oh heck yes.
Hope that this helps, and good luck
Thanks for all the feedbacks guys ... let's keep them coming!
The screensize isn't a problem. She is using the Treo 650 right now, so it's the same screen size. I am more concerned about software compatibility. As long as (most) PPC / WM programs can be installed on the Treo 750 like regular PDA's, I don't mind the smaller screen.
I suggested the TyTn to her, but her problem is she has a bad habit of dropping the phone ... with her current Treo 650, she puts a hard cover on it and it protects it well from falling. With the TyTn's slide out keyboard, there's no cover of any sort available, and a pouch is too much hassle. Without a cover, she's worried the phone will be badly scratched and dented, if not broken within a month.
Her requirement for the next phone is touchscreen (that eliminates all blackberry's and smartphones), hard button QWERTY keyboard and no slide out keyboard (so you can put hard cover on). I thought hard and long about this and the only phone that meet all 3 requirements is the Treo 750.
The 3G doesn't do a lot for her ... she doesn't use the phone as a modem, and her internet use from the phone is limited to emails, MSN Messenger, and occasionally some light surfing. The fact Treo 750 doesn't even have a camera on the front for video calling makes the 3G even more useless for her.
She'd gladly trade 3G for wifi actually, too bad that's not how it comes in. Speaking of wifi, I understand the Treo supports the Spectrum wifi miniSDIO card. My concern is the Spectec mini SDIO card is a little longer than regular SD card from what I know, because of the antenna. Doesn't that prevent the SD card cover from closing?
Wifi is not a must but a nice to have. Other than that, it sounds like Treo is the most likely candidate at this point. Given her 3 requirements, doesn't seem like there are a lot of choices neither.
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Thanks for all the feedbacks guys ... let's keep them coming!
The screensize isn't a problem. She is using the Treo 650 right now, so it's the same screen size. I am more concerned about software compatibility. As long as (most) PPC / WM programs can be installed on the Treo 750 like regular PDA's, I don't mind the smaller screen.
I suggested the TyTn to her, but her problem is she has a bad habit of dropping the phone ... with her current Treo 650, she puts a hard cover on it and it protects it well from falling. With the TyTn's slide out keyboard, there's no cover of any sort available, and a pouch is too much hassle. Without a cover, she's worried the phone will be badly scratched and dented, if not broken within a month.
Her requirement for the next phone is touchscreen (that eliminates all blackberry's and smartphones), hard button QWERTY keyboard and no slide out keyboard (so you can put hard cover on). I thought hard and long about this and the only phone that meet all 3 requirements is the Treo 750.
The 3G doesn't do a lot for her ... she doesn't use the phone as a modem, and her internet use from the phone is limited to emails, MSN Messenger, and occasionally some light surfing. The fact Treo 750 doesn't even have a camera on the front for video calling makes the 3G even more useless for her.
She'd gladly trade 3G for wifi actually, too bad that's not how it comes in. Speaking of wifi, I understand the Treo supports the Spectrum wifi miniSDIO card. My concern is the Spectec mini SDIO card is a little longer than regular SD card from what I know, because of the antenna. Doesn't that prevent the SD card cover from closing?
Wifi is not a must but a nice to have. Other than that, it sounds like Treo is the most likely candidate at this point. Given her 3 requirements, doesn't seem like there are a lot of choices neither.
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Hi there,
My love affair with PDAs,
1. Palm Zire 72 -> Great PDA till screen crack
2. Palm Treo 650 -> So fast, so easy, damn good phone, now my wife is using it and she fell in love with it too
3. HTC Universal -> Major dissapointment, but love the big screen though, nice for Wifi browsing, messaging and video playback, but sucks big time for a phone
5. Palm Treo 750 -> half of what Palm Treo 650 was.... except for 3G functionality and slightly better camera, Treo 650 will top this anytime of the day
My recommendation to you, stick with Palm OS, 300% faster and stable and more sensible, dont worry about applications, the one built in is good enough, but you may want to get ZLauncher, TCPMP apps in.. the Toysoft Lightwav Pro is an excellent piece of call management software for the Palm OS.... There are new Palm OS devices just launched.. can check out those...
Just my 2 cents...
Its just too darn slow, and I find it a bit bulky.
The phone functions I use are Internet (over wifi only), camera, and I like the slide out keyboard. I am with att and they offer the Tilt for just over a 100 with 2 year contract renewal. Do you think I would like that phone, or would I find it too bulky as I do the wizard? Any other suggestions? I was really hoping to find a slimmer size pda phone.
Thanks so much!
Josh
the kaiser/tilt is just as if not more bulky as the wizard. I do believe it might be slightly bigger, also, but i might be wrong. The tmobile wing, which is the HTC Herald, is a relatively slim ppc, but it is for T-mobile. I assume that your wizard is actually a tmobile MDA unlocked from Tmobile, so i direct you to the T-Mobile Wing/HTC Herald.
Picking a gadget
When I have a decision like this, I go to cnet.com (or any review site you like) and line up comparable products and compare specs. Cnet will lay all the features out in a table for you, so you can compare memory, processor, size & weight, price, etc, and a pic (which is really the only way to count buttons not on the keyboard).
Asking someone if you'll be happy with something isn't something they can answer well. Finding out of people are happy with their gadget is pretty easy if you just scope that gadget's forum on xda-dev., which is also a good way to find out what some of the bugs might be. There are blogs, too, like jkontherun (James Kendrick) that can be helpful when considering a big(ish) purchase.
Google, google, google.
I had a wizard, then upgraded to the hermes, then the kaiser (tilt). Each time I've felt like it was a worthy upgrade and couldn't see myself going back to the previous model.
My sister has my old wizard and I played with it a little last week when I stopped by to visit. The kaiser is worlds ahead of it. It is about the same length and width, but significantly slimmer, as in 5mm (.2"). Here's a page where you can compare the sizes:
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_co...ate-Ultimate-7150-vs-HTC-Kaiser-vs-HTC-Wizard
Also, the form factor/button placement are way better thought out than the wizard, and the specs blow it out of the water: 3G speeds, GPS, etc...
The kaiser is heavier than the wizard, though.
well, i guess we all push whatever device we have. makes sense, no?
I upgraded from a wizard to a hermes about a year ago, and the only improvements are the 3g/hsdpa internet access, (which you say you don't use anyway), and the scroll-wheel to replace the slider switch, (which I would call a minor improvement, and not a reason to upgrade). Otherwise the phone doesn't seem any faster or better, and this is comparing faria's rom on the wizard to schaps on the hermes.
I have considered upgrading to the kaiser, but reading how unhappy everyone is because of the graphics drivers and seeing tomtom on THAT video compared to my wizard or hermes, I have decided to wait - probably for the sony xperia x1.