Himalaya or Blueangel? - General Topics

Hi I'm new to these forums, yes I've already done loads of searching and reading the wiki entries, this sounds like a really tight community with really knowledgable people doing stuff that would take microsoft a year to release in a patch themselves.
Anyways I currently have a motorola v300 and i'm feeling the need to upgrade to a gsm pda phone. I would be using it mostly as a phone on a rogers gsm network and for a device to watch movies and pictures on and maybe a bit of surfing. So the himalaya and blueangel look pretty promising and they both offer WM5 upgrade. I was just wondering which one you'd recommend? I guess I'm already kind of leaning towards the blueangel because there seem to be more new ones hanging around on ebay plus the wifi which would be fun to mess around with. But does the himalaya offer better support for WM5? I just noticed more documentation on WM5 for himalaya than for BA (but did notice a himalaya wm5 version to install on BA). Do you think WM5 performs about equal on both?
I was also considering the universal but I think it's a bit out of my price range, and I've read it's kind of slow/buggy? It looks really nicely designed though.
Thanks for your input.

Although I own neither (I have a good old Wallaby), I'd say go with the BlueAngel as it seems to have more features including WiFi and a pull out QWERTY keyboard. Both devices have the same spec CPU and memory so in theory WM5 should perform equally but I haven't seen it for myself so I can only say 'in theory'.
Regards,
Neil.

Blueangel!! first of all it has much better sound through loudspeaker and much more batterry life!! go for BA!!
i have used both BA and hymalaia. BA was the best. But the only problem i have is:
the bluetooth range is only 4 meters when connected with a handsfree.

Don't even think, get blueangel

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Hermes.... Universal... or M.A.G.I.C.???

Hi guys,
I currently have the Xda IIs version of Blue Angel, running on the TuMa 1.3, but it seems like time for a change. I'm currently considering 3 options: HTC Universal, HTC Hermes, and Advance TC M.A.G.I.C. (I know it's not HTC, but...)
Details on M.A.G.I.C. can be found at:
http://www.advancetc.com/MAGIC_technical_specs.jpg
Thanks!
For me, it's gonna be Hermes. I had a Qtek 9000 (Universal) for a week to play around with, very nice features and the screen is very good, but it is far too large for me. I come from a Magician, so the Vario was the best option for me now in terms of size. I am very happy with it, so Hermes (with same form factor) is definitely the successor to my Wizard. Same goes for M.A.G.I.C. far too large for me, although the specs are astonishing. And since this phone is the first ever made by that company, expect lots and lots of flaws, poor support etc etc.
Have you seen the thread on the other HTC devices due to come out this year? Some include GPS, others the same specs as Wizard but much thinner etc etc. if they all make it to market here, it's gonna be a hard choice, but for now I am aiming at the Hermes.
If size is not an issue for you and neither is money, I would go for the Universal any time. it is available now, there is good support from this community, the specs are very good and ROM updates are frequent.
Eh...you forgot the winner - Atom! :wink:
Ha ha, sorry for that. But for me a keyboard is very usefull. Willing to give it up for a GPS, but Atom does not satisfy my needs, sorry!
Ideal devices all depend upon personal preferences, so Atom is no option for me. But if you don't need a keyboard, Atom is definitely a good option!
I don't think you should count on getting that M.A.G.I.C. any time soon! We really have no idea if it is good or not, and it wont be out for months.
M. A. G. I. C., but .......
read this
http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/con...e.Article_10065320-cb73c03a-b113c700-479d86e0
bloggy.
Koksie, my previous PPC was a BA with hardware keyboard. I have found that I type a lot faster with PhonePad and T9 on the Atom (HTC version, ripped from a Wizard ROM) then I ever did with that BA keyboard!
I find that I use the hardware keyboard more than I could ever have imagined when I had my Compact! On the Compact, I hardly send sms messages, because of my hesitation in using the phone pad or the on-screen keyboard. I just couldn't type fast enough to be convienent! With my Wizard, I just slide it open and type away! Well, every one has his favourite input method, that much is clear! Well, if you don't need a keyboard, better go for Atom or Prophet, since they combine a small form factor with great specs. Or wait for the trinity, which also look very good.

Orbit now or wait

I am considering buying the o2 XDA orbit but there have been comments re the processor being a bit slow. However the alternatives ie.the argon seems to be larger and not readily available and I am not sure whether it is a direct replacement.
Does anyone know if there is an alternative on the way, bearing in mind that if I get the Orbit it will most probably be on an 18 month contract. Is it worth waiting or will the orbit be good enough for now.
Neil
I'm not sure if this will help at all but I've kind of been in the same situation and I guess it depends on what you want out of your device...
I've had the Jamin on o2 for the past 12 months and have been happy with it so I'm upgrading to the Orbit for at least another 12months as soon as possible.
I've looked at everything else available and the Orbit is the safest bet for now for what I want. (Small, good looking, easy to use, good feature set without any naff gimmicks).
WM6 should be out for it before long with any luck as well so it's certainly nowhere near outdated yet.
Also in all my internet scouring over the past couple of weeks, I've not came across any new devices in development that are due out any time soon or are similar to the Orbit. I would be interested, like you, to see if anyone else has though.
There was actually a 'non pocket-pc' device that caught my attention when I was looking at what's available at the moment, something I had to consider because of what it has to offer - The Nokia N95, which on paper looks great...but it would be a big change for me!, it's a bit bulky, some of the reviews haven't been that great & I really don't like the 'media centre' style gimmicks these phones seem to have because by personal preference, that's not really what I want my device for...
Orbit or wait
Hi
Thanks for that. The N95 was the alternative I was looking at having had the N80 for 12 months, however the outlook side and the direct push e-mail appeals as does the ability to download OS maps and use with the GPS looks handy on the bigger screen.
The Argon, the Trion and the Atom life are shown as alternatives which are brand new with faster processors and bigger memory but getting hold of one is something else.
Neil
Well it's getting hold of them and then there's the size & weight of them!
My ideal device would be something just like the Orbit but smaller & lighter still and with a better camera.
I'm still quite tempted by the N95,
Orbit or wait
I think it comes down to personal taste. I did not like the look and the feel of the N95 when I looked at it and preferred the bigger screen on the Orbit, also felt like a change from Nokia & Symbian OS.
Neil
I've been reading a lot of reviews on the N95 and I get the impression from the comments sections in the majority of them that there aren't many happy N95 users out there!
A lot seem to be unhappy about device restarts, the camera not being as good as they expected, battery life issues, sluggish OS, GPS connectivity problems & the actual handset not feeling very "solid" - I'm not just picking one or two comments either, - this seems to be the running theme,
In fact, it's difficult to find many positive comments on the N95, I get the feeling that first impressions are great but over time it's not all that it's being marketed as.
Orbit or wait
I think that it is most probably usual teething problems. I had the same issues with the N80 but most appear to have resolved themselves although it did take a few software updates.
I just find that although I use the camera a lot I prefer the photograhs taken by a camera so a 5 M camera is a waste to me.
And again I did not like the look and the feel.
Neil
xda argon (htc p6300 / panda) on the way
http://www.my-xda.com/argon_index.htm
Take a look here for a brief look video of the XDA Orbit.
bbobeckyj said:
xda argon (htc p6300 / panda) on the way
http://www.my-xda.com/argon_index.htm
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Hi
I believe that the Argon is bigger than the orbit?
When will this become widely available?
Neil
argon
bbobeckyj said:
xda argon (htc p6300 / panda) on the way
http://www.my-xda.com/argon_index.htm
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According to customer service the argon is only on business tariffs and the best one the atom life is not going to be sold by o2 uk.
sucks
Neil
I agree with Tinnitus. Ive been an Exec user for the past 12 months on O2. My exec has bust just as my contract expires so Im in the market for a new phone on any network.
I prefer ActiveSync to the Nokia Synch tool, the hardware is reliable, easy to use and looks good.
(And the support on this forum is next to none).
Recommendation
I was in a similar situation where i had to decide to wait or go for the Orbit. I chose the latter and also purchased a 2 gig memory card to throw most things onto and free up most of the space, to be honest it works really well it doesnt seem slow and i have had no problems with any of the software. in fact when i came to reinstall the copilot i have to say that the after sales support for this product was exceptional and feel really glad that i went ahead. I did consider most other options even the ones they have in Germany but my Orbit and I are very happy, not sure if that will help any.
happy times
Orbit or wait
HI
Any thoughts re the Trion. I am considering this as an alternative purely because of the faster processor.
Has anybody any comments re playing movies via the media player??
Neil
Neil,
I tried playing a short AVI file (MJPG, 640x480 @30.00fps - 14552Kbps) and this was very choppy on the Trion.
See other post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306378
SG
Orbit or wait
Just to close of my section I have purchased the orbit and I am generally happy. I have not learnt all the features and push email only works with Exchange 2003, have checked properly, however seeing the amount of e-mails I get I would suggest that the phone would be permanently singing with the sound of e-mails arriving, so maybe not such a bad thing.
There are 1 or 2 hang ups which I will start in a new post which hopefully will sort these out.
Thanks for all your help.
Neil
There's a free utility called e-moze
http://www.emoze.com/
it can be worth a look if you are desperate for push e-mail, I use it at work.
Well, mines on it's way! Got it for £30 then £30 a month for 12 months on contract (should be able to drop that to 20 after 6 though with any luck), pretty much the same deal I had my Prophet on.
Prophet has just gone up on eBay.
Exciting times.

Which model should I buy second hand? Blue Angel?

Hi there!
I have recently discovered the HTC line of smartphones and have gotten really keen on buying one. I generally love smart devices that allow me to do a lot of things. I'm mostly interested in the phone functionality (obviously), Wifi connection, music playback and preferably playing videos (xvid etc).
The Blue Angel seems really nice and from what I've read it can play video decently without transcoding. I like to watch documentaries and stuff, and wish to be able to stream from my share over Wifi or just easily copy over to the memory card.
For the stuff that I want to do, would you say that the Blue Angel is the best one (I don't have that much money to spend on this so I'm looking around the second hand market).
It would be a big plus if the smartphone could handle SDHC, but that doesn't seem too common. I would hope that some smart person enables support for SDHC in the Blue Angel one day
Any thoughts are welcome. Thanks in advance!
i would say a universal or a axim x50v or x51v(htc made but just a pda)
the universal i have not tried but seems like a good device(i should of bought it, i saw it in a pawn shop for $90 dollars) and i think theirs a cooked rom for it the updates it to wm6 and has SDHC support but you should check the forums for each device to check or the XDA-wiki to see the specs
Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Unfortunately, after a very quick browse it seems that the units that you mention are _far_ more expensive than the Blue Angel (even second hand) and very much out of my price range.
Yes, I'm on a tight budget here, so I guess the question is more Blue Angel vs Wizard, etc.
Thanks!
Blue Angel vs Wizard? Oh easy ^^ BlueAngel, the name sounds hotter and its a hell of a lot faster. (And the screen doesnt die after a while, the wizard has some issue with the keyboard thingy, thin kabel attached to it that after a while tends to give some fancy stripes on your display.. reset fixes that tho.. but still anoying.)
how much you got to spend?
From what I read, the Blue Angel does not support Edge and the wizard does (I'm sure someone will let me know if that's incorrect)...both can have wm6 installed on them but the Blue Angel comes with WM2003 and the wizard comes with WM5 by default.
He didnt mention he needed EDGE and wm6 is easy to get running on the Blue Angel.. but true, it doesnt come standard with it (well he is going to buy it secondhand, so chances are that it will tho )
sorry about that. i have a htc wizard and so far it still works and has had many drops and has gone through many flashes so i would say a wizard is a good device to start with like i did. just keep in mind that you should get g3 ver. and not g4 because g3 you can flash the radio and other stuff more easy.(G3 = IPL/SPL:2.xx or 3.xx | G4 = IPL/SPL: 2.xx.x.xx or something like this but you get it, more numbers )
That's all right, thanks for the tips!
What about the HTC TyTS (Hermes)? It seems very powerful and much newer than the Blue Angel. What do you think?
I'd go with the Hermes myself. It's the poorman's kaiser.
Cool, thanks!
From what I've read (recently discovered it) it seems to have more and newer features than the Blue Angel and it's also quite plentiful on the second hand market here in Sweden. It seems I will be able to get one for not much more than a Blue Angel, also.
Other cool things is that it seems to handle SDHC-cards (right?) so that I can put 8 GB in it.
Also it seems to play video at least as well as the Blue Angel. Can anyone confirm this?
Incidentally the Kaiser (TyTN II) because of bad drivers has really bad video playback, according to what I've read (not that it would be an option for me anyway. It seems quite expensive. I'd go for the poormans Kaiser then )
Unlocking TyTN
Ok, I've got a HTC TyTN that I'm very interested in buying. It is, however, operator locked to a 3G operator. Is there software available for unlocking it on my own, or do I have to pay for that?

Happy vs Not with Polaris

Given the driver issues and mixed reviews on the forum(speed, camera, scrolling) I was wondering if we could get a sense of overall satisfaction with the device. Would you buy one again, even if there is never a fix for the driver issues?
I would, but definitely not for this kind of money!!
the device is worth every little penny.
It would help if you guys mention what device you came from. It helps to understand what you have been used to in order to gauge your current opinion. For example, if you came directly from a dog-slow KJAM (not OC'ed) and say the TC is fast, then that's good to know.
By far best pocket pc device. Most complete with great form factor. I have owned the following:
Siemens SX56
Siemens SX66
Audiovox p4400
eten G500
xda atom
imate jasjar
htc tytn
htc p3300
htc p3600
htc kaiser
Knowing the driver issue and HTC's stance about it - I would not. Too much money at stake!
By far best pocket pc device. Most complete with great form factor and best phone module. I have owned the following:
SP : typhoon , tornado , startrek , excalibur , cavalier.
pocketpc : magician , wizard , universal , prophet , hermes , trinity , artemis , cheetah , herald , kaiser , niki , and for last polaris.
and non HTC , eten m600 x500 x800 , hp 6815 , asus p525 , and a few of SE and nokia smartphone.
the best pocketpc phone, I'd buy it again a hundred times!!!
i switched back to a P3600/Trinity.
if i would't consider to play games via nes/snes/gba emulators, i probably wouldn't sell the polaris...
next device will be the eten v900 or samsung i900 (vga+dvb-t VS 5mpx-cam+8gb internal memory) ... difficult decision..
bjrmd said:
Given the driver issues and mixed reviews on the forum(speed, camera, scrolling) I was wondering if we could get a sense of overall satisfaction with the device. Would you buy one again, even if there is never a fix for the driver issues?
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If I need another PDA, Yes.
If I need a pocketable video player or play games, I'd buy a PSP.
If I need a good picture quality, I'd buy a digital camera.
That mean's the answer is Yes I am happy and I will buy again if I need to! but never on the same price!
definately would buy it again, it does combine most features one needs in a PDA/Phone
(which dont include.... Camera and Video player) if one needs to watch a video on the go a laptop is still the best bet... who wants to watch mini video?
they should have left the secondary camera out all together (or installed a flash)
some of us work, so the usefullness of watching video in perfect quality is not a high prio.
this gadget:
gets you where you are going (GPS)
has all necessary ability to handle day to day work tasks (Office Mobile)
can make calls (phone)
and has the benefits of all of the 3rd party apps out there for it (anything else you need)
Totally agree with ‘xrrkrrkx’, I’ve had all sorts of PDAs from the Psion and Casio days, through Ipaq onto K-Jam, the T-Mob’s MDA’s...
The Polaris is a useful tool first and a toy second for me so some video lag (which hardly bothers me anyway) is acceptable due to all the other top features + its form factor make this a must for me and I’d pay up again to get one.
Having come over from the Kaiser thread it's incredible to for me to see all the negative comments about the Polaris which basically has the same (if not better) performance as the Kaiser, but without the weight! For me it's the best all round device I've ever used and I think my Kaiser will be up for sale....
Remember that in almost any forum for hardware,
most posters do only write when they are unhappy about something.
Almost no one write any message just because they are happy with there phone.
Try count the negative weight of messages against sold phones.
I came from HTC 4350 to this one, its the best phone I ever owned,
and so I said about 4350 also. But it is !!
Before HTC I used all kinds of Nokia.
I use Push mail from work to the phone, 15 mails each day that I read,
I'll give IT support over the phone to 1500 people, 10-15 each day.
I use blue tooth over my car stereo back and forth to work,
else I'll use my Blue tooth headset 8 hours a day.
Sometimes I even use tomtom when going to another of our departments.
I never switch off the phone completely, but recharge it once every
second day or even sometimes only every third day.
I simply do not understand those who are unhappy with battery lifetime.
But I do never see any video on it, why would I do that?
Well, this is no doubt the best phone I ever had. I'll buy it again.
Having come from the Dopod U1000 (Athena) to the Cruise is a positive, mainly due to they size. The fact that the Cruise can do everything that the Athena could do is impressive, considering it is less than half the size and weight and is more useful as a primary phone. I still miss the VGA display and often carry the Athena with me on travel to use as an internet tablet and yes, as an A/V player. The 5" VGA is so much easier on my tires eyes and not having to scroll so much on web pages makes it a no brainer. On the other hand, I bought one of the very first U1000's out at double the price of the Cruise. Both have their place but the Cruise gets my daily use. You can see other devices in my Signature line, not including numerous PDA's prior to the Cell phone era.
I used a MIO A201, which doesn't have a phone, radio or WIFI.
I am impressed with the TC (Polaris).
One of the issues I have is the speed of the MicroSD memory card (8GB class 4) which is slower than my SD memory card (2GB 150x) on my MIO A201 which slows down Tomtom, but this is a memory card issue and not a TC issue.
Great device
I switched from regular phones to the Charmer and was already very happy with it, now it was time to improve my "lifestyle" and get a all in one unit. It was hard to decide if I shall get a Kaiser or a Polaris. Finally the small size and less weight made my decision for the Polaris.
After nearly 2 weeks I just can say it is a great unit, it works without problems (beside the usual WM bugs), I can't complain about battery life as at home I have a pretty weak reception (but better than the Charmer) - I live in a "ray safe" appartement..... As I use it really a lot and always have to play around with it (especially in boring meetings), I have to charge it every day or second day during week, at weekend where I use it less I don't have to charge it.
The speech and connection quality of the radio improved, the GPS has a good reception and works fine.
Some complain about the price: it maybe high but try to get a Nokia N95 cheaper without operator contract, it has more or less the same price as the polaris.
So in summary: a high price unit but worth it!
Sure I would
Before :
SPV C500, SPV C600, Wizard, Trinity, TyTN, Artemis, Kaiser, and now Polaris.
I don't regret it. My top 3 is :
1- Polaris/Kaiser (it rocks !)
2- Artemis, it rocked as well.
I would absolutely buy TC again.
Although I understand the complaint that many people have with the video driver issue, for me, it does not distract too much from the device, as I do not use it as a primary video device.
The times that I do watch videos or clips etc.., I find the video good enough for my needs (but not excellent). I think that if one is buying a device ONLY as a phone and multimedia device, it is really quite difficult to presently beat the iPhone.
Over the years I have used PPC/WM devices, I find the TC excellent as a pda ( I cannot say 100% excellent because of the afforementioned video driver issue).
The phone portion is also really good - the best voice clarity and signal that I have had.
Previously:
PDAS: Compaq iPaq 3650
HP iPaq 5450
phones: various samsung and motorolas
PDA/Phones: Samsung SCH-i730 (which was really good in its day for PPC2003SE, but really sucked with WM5)
That's just my 2cents for what its worth.
T
Well, I have had my TC now for about a week and I absolutely love it. It is everything I expected it to be and I think I was needlessly worrying about performance. Of course, the TC will be that much better with the proper graphics drivers, but the way it is now has surpassed my expectations. It is actually the first WM phone in a long time that I think is "fun" to use.
Check out my review here: http://mobilitytoday.com/articles/htc_touchcruise_impressions.html

Considering an X7510 and looking for input...

So my HTC Wizard is getting a little old. And it's poor old CPU isn't standing up to Windows Mobile 6 ROM's very well. And it doesn't support anyhting past EDGE. And I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade. And my sweet BT SouthWing headset sucks on my HTC as soon as I do more than one thing. At the same time, my camera is busted. My girlfriend has a 6 megapixel camera we use for anything important, but I want a decent camera that's always on me.
I think I see a chance to combine some electronics. I'm looking for a beasty WM 6 based PDA. The current PDA I'm most interested in is the HTC Advantage X7510.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
GSM w / solid band support
3.1 MP camera w / flash
BT 2.0
624 Mhz CPU AND ATI gfx chip (<3 cell phone emulators)
16 gig internal flash for my tunes
detachable keyboard
FULL QWERTY KEYBOARD = WIN
Surprisingly sexy for a powerful PDA with a keyboard
This looks like the best one I've found overall. I've heard that HTC has been pretty lousy on implementing the ATI GFX chips, but as far as I can tell that's only on the TyTn II's. It's a little more than I want to spend on a phone, but if it gets the camera in there too then it's sold.
I'm pretty much sold on this guy, only holdup is the cost. I really haven't seen anything that can compete with it, although I found a lot of new companies today poking about. Anybody know of any brands I should look at, or have anything negative to say about this guy?
fatheadpi said:
So my HTC Wizard is getting a little old. And it's poor old CPU isn't standing up to Windows Mobile 6 ROM's very well. And it doesn't support anyhting past EDGE. And I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade. And my sweet BT SouthWing headset sucks on my HTC as soon as I do more than one thing. At the same time, my camera is busted. My girlfriend has a 6 megapixel camera we use for anything important, but I want a decent camera that's always on me.
I think I see a chance to combine some electronics. I'm looking for a beasty WM 6 based PDA. The current PDA I'm most interested in is the HTC Advantage X7510.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
GSM w / solid band support
3.1 MP camera w / flash
BT 2.0
624 Mhz CPU AND ATI gfx chip (<3 cell phone emulators)
16 gig internal flash for my tunes
detachable keyboard
FULL QWERTY KEYBOARD = WIN
Surprisingly sexy for a powerful PDA with a keyboard
This looks like the best one I've found overall. I've heard that HTC has been pretty lousy on implementing the ATI GFX chips, but as far as I can tell that's only on the TyTn II's. It's a little more than I want to spend on a phone, but if it gets the camera in there too then it's sold.
I'm pretty much sold on this guy, only holdup is the cost. I really haven't seen anything that can compete with it, although I found a lot of new companies today poking about. Anybody know of any brands I should look at, or have anything negative to say about this guy?
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well if you really want the x7510 then you should buy an x7500 and put ap4 on there. than its like having the best of both worlds plus you get all the buttons that you dont get with the 7510
7510 is a good choice only if you intend to use it notebook style. If you use it tablet style, then 7500 or 7501 are better. 7510 does not have the a few of the hardware buttons that the older models have, and this is extremely limiting for table style users. Many users find it more convenient, more portable, and easier when using it table style.
BTW, 7500 and 7501 are lighter and cheaper too. The only drawback is the microdrive instead of SSD, but not a serious drawback. Capacity itself is not an issue for most of us, I believe. I only use about 1 GB out of the 8GB with all my programs installed there. All my large consuming files are on microSDHC, which can be swapped in and out at will so there is no practical limit on the effective capacity. Microdrive is a lot faster than microSDHC, although it consumes more power.
The answer is also in the new product cathegories from HTC marketing department ( www.htc.com ) :
They have :
TOUCH phones (From TOUCH to DIAMOND)
PDA phones (From P3300 to TyTN II)
Smartphones (From S310 to S730)
Mobile Computers (Advantage>Shift)
The strategy seems clear: WHAT DO YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ? :
Trendy and WOW effect PDA PHONE? (Play device with phone?) TOUCH product Line
A Powerfull Companion in your PHONE? (Biz device with phone?) PDA Phones Product Line
Lightweight but powerfull PHONE? (Phone for yor Digital Lifestyle?) Smartphones product line
Mobile computing (Mobile PC always on with SOME phone capabilities?) Mobile Computers product line
I agree with you we would like to have them ALL in a single device but....
I have PDA, SMartphone and Mobile computer, and I fully agree with this scenario. A clear idea (or a good help) and you will be really happy of the chosen device. Chose the wrong category for your purpose and you will sell it in few weeks (losing money )
HTC is out from a dark age now, time to buy stock quotes IMHO!
I'd go for an X7500 unless you can get a 7510 susidised. I use about 6Gb of my Microdrive and about 3Gb on my card but you can always expand with bigger cards.
Good luck!
[Edit]Just seen http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391485 - might be of interest?[/Edit]
Interesting comments, really appreciate the feedback. So, a few things.
1. I haven't really found a good comparison or general video yet of any of the advantage models. I'll keep the keyboard difference in mind. As for the keyboard usage, how is it for texting? I've been pretty happy with the keyboard on my Wizard, but I'm open to something new. I just refuse to go back to not having a QWERTY keyboard. I'd buy the Diamond, but HTC doesn't get how awesome QWERTY texting is appearantly.
2. Looking at the Advantage, I don't see any buttons on it that would be especially good for gaming, especially anything like the pad on a Wizard / TyTn II. Am I missing something, or can I expect to have my PocketNesterness hampered by an Advantage?
3. Thanks for the info on the 7500/1 vs 7510. Looking at the specs page, I noticed the 7500 lists two cameras while the 7501 only has one. Is this the case? I'd just be giving up the VGA camera for voice calls, which I've never used anyways, but I guess it could be nice if I get to an area with better than EDGE service. Also, is the X7510's camera much / any better?
4. I've done a good bit of flashing / light bit of cooking with my Wizard. About how much harder is an advantage to reflash?
5. 8 gigs would be a considerable upgrade for me, I've been getting by on a 4 gig MiniSD that my Wizard only picks up about 3.7 gig of. Assuming I used a gig internally for pics, GPS, etc, I'd still have twice the capacity on HD alone vs my card.
Glad to get some input, got ignored at HowardForums.
Hmm... actually, saw some better pics of the Advantage. There is clearly no "D-Pad" like the PDA-style phones get. LAME.
Back to the drawing board. Kaiser's in the lead, AT&T owes me a discount phone since I bought my own hardware to the table. Too bad it doesn't have a flash.
http://www.imate.com/support/specs/SpecSheet_9502.pdf
Ooooooh... Do Want!
fatheadpi said:
Interesting comments, really appreciate the feedback. So, a few things.
1. ... how is it for texting? ...
2. ... can I expect to have my PocketNesterness hampered by an Advantage?
3. ... the 7500 lists two cameras while the 7501 only has one. Is this the case? Also, is the X7510's camera much / any better?...
4. ...About how much harder is an advantage to reflash?...
5. ...8 gigs ...
....got ignored at HowardForums.
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We play soccer here, 2-1 is the score, and the winners are ...HERMES-KAISER!
1) ATHENA's kb haven't any backlight, hard to use without a stable surface. Big screen means BIG on screen Kb too, but for texting ATHENA Kb isn't really good in standing situation, in the car, on the bus.... WORST comparing it with the HERMES or KAISER
2) Many games aren't usable in a VGA device. I don't know about emulators but less buttons mean less control! WORST comparing it with the HERMES or KAISER
3) Yes, it is. No, don't.
4) Just the same complexity and risks as Kaiser or Hermes
5) Yes, but are built IN. I prefer to have DATA on SD, to manage with the PC utilities, to share data with friends... but, yes BETTER than HERMES or KAISER
HOFO?
Believe me: for a "texter" and "gamer" ATHENA is a nightmare!
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing so far. I might settle on a Kaiser, looks like those are pretty well hacked, and I can get one for like $100 refurb'd through AT&T. I'm gonna see if I can scrounge up a deal on that I-Mate tho, no flash on the camera has repeatedly pissed me off with my Wizard.
On a different note, how is WM6 on a 400 Mhz processor? I'm using a Wizard OC'd to 216Mhz on a custom WM6 rom, and alot of stuff is SLOOOOW. Granted, even a Kaiser would more than double my phone power, but just curious.
Hey guys, I think it's getting obvious the Athena isn't for me. I'm gonna head over to the Kaiser forum and see what I can see. Thanks for the help.

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