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Auto-delete emails?

Hello Everyone,
I have a T-Mobile USA SDA and had a problem with emails on the device.
Not sure if it is working as designed or if there was a blug, so I thought I would float it by you guys.
Setup:
Mail client on T-Mobile USA SDA
Configured manually to check pop and send smtp with my gmail account. It is set such that the message headers are downloaded first.
I connect WIFI and send/recieve
I receive a header I had sent myself for testing
I click on it and select to download the message body.
I go back to the inbox.
I do send and receive.
I receive the message body.
I read it.
I go back to the inbox.
I do send and recieve.
Result:
The message is removed without a trace. it is not put into deleted items folder, nor does it remain in the inbox folder.
Is this expected behavior? I am not allowed to store mail on my device? Is there a registry setting to change this behavior? There is no options within the application. Is there a registry setting to change wheremails are stored in general? thanks for seeing the barrage of questions!

Yes I got the same result with you. Mine is a Dopod 577w (Tornado in Taiwan). This behaviour also happens to other mail servers.

ni hao,
I had searched a bit about it and found some places explain it. The explanation sounds weak, but it looks like something we will have to live with until either gmail or ms changes their server or client software.
USENET:
Sat, Mar 4 2006 7:24 am
The problem is with the default behaviour of Gmail - it will "hide" all the
already-downloaded mail. Unfortunately, it seems not even now that the beta
phase is long over can you effectively override this behaviour - the POP3
radio buttons just don't stick in the Settings window.
Therefore, the best solution IMHO is switching to an alternative e-mail
client that doesn't remove the messages that are not available online any
more from the local view. The alternative mailer clients FlexMail and Qmail
are like so - see the row "Does it only display mail that is still on the
server? " in the comparison chart of my mailer client roundup at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=569&more=1 . Of the two,
FlexMail offers scheduling capabilities.
PocketPC MAG:
Does it only display mail that is still on the server? : one of the most-criticized problems with Messaging is that it does not show older messages (messages that have been deleted in the meantime) in the Inbox unless you explicitly (mass-)move them to a separate folder. As can be seen, it's, in addition to Messaging, only nPOPw that deletes the messages from the local view that don't exist on the server any more. The other mailer applications don't.
I might just write a pop/smtp client software myself. Much easier to tweak it to do what I need it to do, and in my previous job I worked for an email client so I know those protocols well. I probably won't add advanced functionality or IMAP/Exchange, because I have no individual use for those.

Very Useful info.
My current solution to this issue is Outlook & ActiveSync. Just download your mail to PC and sync. Mail in mobile Outlook account will not disappear unless you delete them.
By the way, I think Gmail mobile website is also okay for mail browsing & composing.
(it is not a good experience posting reply here using Pocket IE)
I'd like to write a mail client using .NET CF just for fun if I have time. I'm not a C++ guy.

Official Exchange Activesync for Hotmail support... Not for Android?

Hello!
I have tried in the last 2 months at least 20 times to make it working.
Yesterday it was officially annonced, and, it IS working.
Sort of...
In "email" official Android Application, we can't have HTML mails.
And "birthday" is pretty ****ed up too... The format is strange, and birthdays aren't in my calendar. I have some people with accurate Hotmail account, with mail, phone number and birthday, so I am pretty sure.
What is the official reply on that?
Since it is not "officially" supported, we only get txt mails?
I would like to know some more exchange-skilled person on this.

Configuration
Configuration:
1.5 / 1.6 Devices:
No Exchange support
2.1 Devices:
COMING SOON
2.2 Devices:
Create a new account from Email application:
After filling username & password, click on "manual configuration", and select "Exchange".
Then after the "\" fill the field with complete email info, and put a "m" before "hotmail.com" in the "server" field:
When asked, just select "push" for email check, and if you care you can sync Contacts and Calendar too.
That's it!
Push (no HTML) email for every Hotmail / Live customer!
Thank you Microsoft, we loved your (borked) support.

BTW:
I tested the trial edition of Exchange via Touchdown.
HTML mails are there
And, I actually have a full-featured, complete Exchange account on my university mail account.
I am using it with push notifications from a month, maybe more, and HTML mails are there.
So, why the default mail application couldn't get HTML mails only with Hotmail?

Its not MS their fault.
Android hasn't got a decent ActiveSync HTML email viewer.
Maybe google will release an update?
Maybe maybe not.

Skye Menjou said:
Its not MS their fault.
Android hasn't got a decent ActiveSync HTML email viewer.
Maybe google will release an update?
Maybe maybe not.
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Then, why my other Exchange account is working smoothly, with the very same Email.apk?
I think that limitation is actually made on the discovery.
Sort of:
"If windows mobile 6.0 / 6.1 --> older exchange, no HTML"
"If wm 6.5 or better --> new exchange, HTML"
"if iOS --> new exchange, HTML"
"if Android --> crappy exchange, you stinks"

ActiveSync is just a protocol with settings, MS uses the default with regular settings.
It seems Android has a pretty bad application of the AS protocol.
Touchdown works fine so the problem lies in the default email client.

Skye Menjou said:
ActiveSync is just a protocol with settings, MS uses the default with regular settings.
It seems Android has a pretty bad application of the AS protocol.
Touchdown works fine so the problem lies in the default email client.
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If MS uses the default, why I can use my other exchange account, with the very same application, with push & HTML support?
Activesync exchange is not just a protocol. It actually have a lot of past implementation, and I think that fallback are implemented too.
It's now been around since a lot of years, and in the past it didn't support HTML mails.
Same problems here:
http://androidforums.com/incredible-support-troubleshooting/70074-exchange-email-format-no-html.html
This is a problem with a sort of fall-back that kicks-in.
Email.apk is recognized as an half-supported application, so no HTML.
The problem is not in the Email.apk application, but in the way Microsoft servers assign services.
Exchange full-featured servers doesn't do this type of check, they just works the way they should work.
Pretty good, if you ask me.
Only hotmail-poor-man-servers do this type of check, and it seems that even WM 6.1 users can't get HTML mails.

Just found something:
Inside AndroidMail.Main.xml (preference file for email.apk), I can see my two accounts.
Code:
<string name="6cd5b269-4849-4c7e-8496-178f478ff5c5.protocolVersion">2.5</string>
<int name="6cd5b269-4849-4c7e-8496-178f478ff5c5.securityFlags" value="0" />
For Hotmail account.
Code:
<string name="b6130e67-37f0-48b0-aa3d-2132489377f6.protocolVersion">12.0</string>
<int name="b6130e67-37f0-48b0-aa3d-2132489377f6.securityFlags" value="48304132" />
For real Exchange account.
All differences are there.
http://www.exchangeninjas.com/ExchangeActiveSyncProtocolLogging
http://social.technet.microsoft.com...hange-activesync-client-comparison-table.aspx
Problem is, email.apk is perfectly working with rev. 12, since I am using it, and it even have remote wipe feature.
Look the "HTML Email" line: it reports "Yes" under 2.2 Google Android.
But, hotmail is reporting the application as 2.5 capable, so no HTML push.
I have brutally pushed a modified xml file, just waiting for some new email on my Hotmail account.
I don't think that will be enough
Edit: Obviously, that wasn't enough

gatsu_1981 said:
After filling username & password, click on "manual configuration", and select "Exchange".
Then after the "\" fill the field with complete email info, and put a "m" before "hotmail.com" in the "server" field:
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I wanted to point out that configuration did not work for me until I deleted the "\" out of the Domain\Username field. Before I did that it would not connect to the server. I was racking my brain trying to get it to work, even with Touchdown, and it finally worked with the stock email app after deleting the backslash.

audioscience said:
I wanted to point out that configuration did not work for me until I deleted the "\" out of the Domain\Username field. Before I did that it would not connect to the server. I was racking my brain trying to get it to work, even with Touchdown, and it finally worked with the stock email app after deleting the backslash.
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This is really crazy.
In theory, the domain shouldn't be required, on iPhone you have to configure that way, with empty domain.
But here on Android the "next" button will not appear until the domain field is filled.
For me, it didn't work until I put "hotmail.com" after my username, but I left the " \ " before.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

gatsu_1981 said:
Just found something:
Inside AndroidMail.Main.xml (preference file for email.apk), I can see my two accounts.
Code:
<string name="6cd5b269-4849-4c7e-8496-178f478ff5c5.protocolVersion">2.5</string>
<int name="6cd5b269-4849-4c7e-8496-178f478ff5c5.securityFlags" value="0" />
For Hotmail account.
Code:
<string name="b6130e67-37f0-48b0-aa3d-2132489377f6.protocolVersion">12.0</string>
<int name="b6130e67-37f0-48b0-aa3d-2132489377f6.securityFlags" value="48304132" />
For real Exchange account.
All differences are there.
http://www.exchangeninjas.com/ExchangeActiveSyncProtocolLogging
http://social.technet.microsoft.com...hange-activesync-client-comparison-table.aspx
Problem is, email.apk is perfectly working with rev. 12, since I am using it, and it even have remote wipe feature.
Look the "HTML Email" line: it reports "Yes" under 2.2 Google Android.
But, hotmail is reporting the application as 2.5 capable, so no HTML push.
I have brutally pushed a modified xml file, just waiting for some new email on my Hotmail account.
I don't think that will be enough
Edit: Obviously, that wasn't enough
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Hello.
Sorry if my answer is totally off topic, because I have no android device but a WM6.5 touch pro 2...
It seems that the new hotmail Exchange push service deliberately uses an old version (2.5) of the Exchange ActiveSync protocol...
We can't get HTML e-mail on Windows Mobile either... this is not related to the client application, but to the Hotmail service configuration...
Maybe Microsoft wants to spare their bandwidth...
Hope this helps.
Cheers,

I read on the comments on the Windows Live blog that HTML works on the iPhone.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ar-and-contacts-with-exchange-activesync.aspx
Apparently it does support HTML, but as Android sees it as an old Exchange server, it thinks it doesn't.

Awesome!!!
Now, when I wanna remember what life was like with my BB Curve.... I can just open my MSN.com email with ActiveSync on my N1!!! How I missed those hideous non-html emails! I guess it's just a tradeoff: HTML with Pop3.... or ugly emails that I can ACTUALLY DELETE!!!
WTF???
(lame)

Exchange in new Froyo 2.2 JI6 ROM

It appears that the stock mail client in the new 2.2 ROM has fulll Exchange Support. I was able to do a remote wipe of the device from Outlook Web Access. Once I intiated the wipe on my computer my phone rebooted and formatted itself. I then received the following email:
The remote device wipe has completed successfully.
The remote device wipe you initiated from the Mobile Devices Options page on 10/1/2010 10:16:04 PM is complete.
Device type: Android
Device ID: androidc1773342835
Note: To sync with Microsoft Exchange, you must remove this device from the list in the Mobile Options page.
Otherwise, for security purposes, your device will continue to clear data if you try to sync again.
Also, the stock mail client now has the ability to move email to folders.
Seems to work well.

i cant get my [email protected] to works on push email. it only works with polling.

Some other changes to Exchange email:
Phone numbers in emails are selectable, but not in calendar appointments (still). Now it is no longer possible to go into edit mode on calendar appointments you don't own - so no way to cut/copy/paste phone numbers into dialer.
Still no support for Exchange groups - but google groups work - they have to be created on the computer.
GAL is the same - no way to access phone number (that i can find) only email lookup.
Email search is only on the handheld, not on the server.
PIN lock works, but no way to set time. It seems immediate, so either on or off, but it does take the place of swipe to unlock.
Stock email seems almost as fast as lagfix email - so moving through and deleting is much better then 2.1

Do tasks sync yet? If not, I can't believe it. Why is it so hard to sync tasks?
Also, does this support HTML email? I know touchdown does this but the stock email in 2.1 does not.

rkorzuch said:
It appears that the stock mail client in the new 2.2 ROM has fulll Exchange Support. I was able to do a remote wipe of the device from Outlook Web Access. Once I intiated the wipe on my computer my phone rebooted and formatted itself. I then received the following email:
The remote device wipe has completed successfully.
The remote device wipe you initiated from the Mobile Devices Options page on 10/1/2010 10:16:04 PM is complete.
Device type: Android
Device ID: androidc1773342835
Note: To sync with Microsoft Exchange, you must remove this device from the list in the Mobile Options page.
Otherwise, for security purposes, your device will continue to clear data if you try to sync again.
Also, the stock mail client now has the ability to move email to folders.
Seems to work well.
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I went ahead and updated to the Froyo leak and am now having issues setting back up my Exchange. I removed the devices from the mobile options page.
When I go to setup Exchange on the phone, it successfully re-list my device on the mobile options page but fails on the email setup. Any ideas?
Error: "Setup could not finish: Cannot connect to server"
Mobile Options Page:
"Status: OK
First Sync on: Sun 10/3/2010 3:19 PM
Device ID: validate"

netnerd said:
i cant get my [email protected] to works on push email. it only works with polling.
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You have to use m.hotmail.com as your exchange server address and use your email address as username. You need to do manual setup instead of letting it auto search for it.
BTW, the Froyo email client also takes away the sync schedule and sync size options. There is no way to turn off email sync during night time
On the plus side, you can add more than two exchange accounts now.

If you have email being moved unread on server to specific folders, does it show up on the phone client?
I have folders per person in my company. I have setup rules to automatically move unread messages to their folder. Will these messages show up on my captivate?
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keitht said:
Do tasks sync yet? If not, I can't believe it. Why is it so hard to sync tasks?
Also, does this support HTML email? I know touchdown does this but the stock email in 2.1 does not.
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Why do you say 2.1 doesn't support HTM email? I get HTML messages all the time and they show up like HTML - I don't see tags as the email is rendered. If the email client didn't support HTML, then you would see all the brackets and tags as plain text.
Could be a server setting is not telling your phone to treat the email as HTML.

alphadog00 said:
Why do you say 2.1 doesn't support HTM email? I get HTML messages all the time and they show up like HTML - I don't see tags as the email is rendered. If the email client didn't support HTML, then you would see all the brackets and tags as plain text.
Could be a server setting is not telling your phone to treat the email as HTML.
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That is exactly what I see. If I use Touchdown, it works perfectly so I know it is not my Exchange server. I am using Exchange 2003.

Krad said:
If you have email being moved unread on server to specific folders, does it show up on the phone client?
I have folders per person in my company. I have setup rules to automatically move unread messages to their folder. Will these messages show up on my captivate?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using Tapatalk
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There is still no setting to control which folder sync automatically. So if I go into my Junk folder - it is empty unless I refresh. When it does sync, the unread emails put in the junk email folder via a rule, show up as unread.

alphadog00 said:
Why do you say 2.1 doesn't support HTM email? I get HTML messages all the time and they show up like HTML - I don't see tags as the email is rendered. If the email client didn't support HTML, then you would see all the brackets and tags as plain text.
Could be a server setting is not telling your phone to treat the email as HTML.
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Not really. EAS protocol requires client and server to negotiate protocol versions. If either client or server does not support HTML, Exchange server will strip off all the HTML stuff and send only the plain text email body to the client. So, no, you should never see HTML tags in Exchange client. So the only way to tell if you're reading HTML email is to check out the email with embedded images or different fonts on different part of the email message.

foxbat121 said:
Not really. EAS protocol requires client and server to negotiate protocol versions. If either client or server does not support HTML, Exchange server will strip off all the HTML stuff and send only the plain text email body to the client. So, no, you should never see HTML tags in Exchange client. So the only way to tell if you're reading HTML email is to check out the email with embedded images or different fonts on different part of the email message.
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I was just trying to get OP to explain why he thinks HTML mail wasn't working under 2.1 - maybe he is using the Exchange client with a non-Exchange server. If you don't see tags, but you do see pictures, there are clickable links that don't look like URLs, and there are colors and shading - then HTML email is working. It worked fine for me in 2.1.
I was also thinking of the case of forwarded emails or originating servers where the mime type is text but the content is HTML - Exchange is going to pass it through with all the tags in the plain text - so it would look like the client is not rendering it.

Showstopper - found by Ogar1978 and I just confirmed it.
Forwarding and Reply in Exchange losses all comments that were not part of original email. Althoug i had one reply go through with my comment but not the original text.

alphadog00 said:
I was also thinking of the case of forwarded emails or originating servers where the mime type is text but the content is HTML - Exchange is going to pass it through with all the tags in the plain text - so it would look like the client is not rendering it.
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It doesn't work that way. I never, through many email clients and mobile phones, receive any emails look like what you described.
HTML email is designed to be backward compatible with plain text email so that the situation where you described will never happen. The main message body is contained in the email text while all the tags, images are attachments. An HTML capable email client will have to re-assembly email text with the attachments to reconstruct the HTML page out.

alphadog00 said:
I was just trying to get OP to explain why he thinks HTML mail wasn't working under 2.1 - maybe he is using the Exchange client with a non-Exchange server. If you don't see tags, but you do see pictures, there are clickable links that don't look like URLs, and there are colors and shading - then HTML email is working. It worked fine for me in 2.1.
I was also thinking of the case of forwarded emails or originating servers where the mime type is text but the content is HTML - Exchange is going to pass it through with all the tags in the plain text - so it would look like the client is not rendering it.
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I can promise you it is not working for me at all. Not in 2.1 and I just upgraded to 2.2 and still does not work. I can load Touchdown and when I select the "html email" option, I see it exactly as I see it in Outlook with images and all with no tags or URLs. I would use Touchdown but I prefer the integrated email with stock so I will have to deal with it I guess. Attached is an example. I have removed Touchdown so can't prove to you that it does work.

New background colors in mail
This is a nice new feature in 2.2 Froyo... you can change the colors of the background now. Before there was only one choice, now many others. I like dark backgrounds.

Unless you're only reading Chinese or Japanese, you'd better stick to the default white background. Any other color scheme will cause word breaks apart in the middle when ever it reaches the edge.

alphadog00 said:
Showstopper - found by Ogar1978 and I just confirmed it.
Forwarding and Reply in Exchange losses all comments that were not part of original email. Althoug i had one reply go through with my comment but not the original text.
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Deff. a showstopper for anyone trying to use the phone as at a corporate level.
I am going to troll the I9000 boards and see if the froyo they have been running has the same issue and if so if there has been a fix.

keitht said:
That is exactly what I see. If I use Touchdown, it works perfectly so I know it is not my Exchange server. I am using Exchange 2003.
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Exchange 2003 does not support html email via true push. Iphones and touchdown uses a different methods to download emails. I believe they use the owa to download emails differently than stock clients. It is not true push. you need newer exchange 4 true html pushing with stock email clients. Varying of course the client can handle html.
I have noticed that I am still having a problem with emails sent internally that are missing the @domain.com. We have emails generated by web programs that are sent as just the user name. These come to my phone as "null". Very annoying. Can't reply to them without knowing who sent them.
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Can't make my signature right, always puts is in one line even when I editing my signature I have multiply lines.
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[Q] mail client for hotmail - mark mail as read on server

so, i had a hotmail account set up on my htc mail app. mail came through with no problems, but any actions i took on the device didnt get reflected on the server. so if i read/deleted mail on the device, i had to do the same on the web inbox.
i switched to k-9 mail which now deletes mail on the server, but doesnt mark the mail as read once i've read it. something which i do quite often as i use my hotmail for online purchases, and i want to read an invoice but keep it for reference.
does anyone know an app that allows mail thats read on the device to be marked as read on the server?
muchos gracias!

anyone?

reelist said:
anyone?
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My wife has a blackberry and uses hotmail also. I believe the problem lies in the difference between POP3/IMAP. Hotmail connects via POP3 and from what I gather that protocol doesn't involve much more than basically forwarding the messages to your phone. While IMAP (which Gmail is capable of using) allows the syncing of deleted items\read items\etc.

dkelle4 said:
My wife has a blackberry and uses hotmail also. I believe the problem lies in the difference between POP3/IMAP. Hotmail connects via POP3 and from what I gather that protocol doesn't involve much more than basically forwarding the messages to your phone. While IMAP (which Gmail is capable of using) allows the syncing of deleted items\read items\etc.
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I had a blackberry before my android and was able to read and delete mail, mark mail as unread etc and it would be reflected in my hotmail inbox. its really frustrating as having the blackberry allowed me to manage my inbox completely without having to log into my hotmail and now i feel like im going backwards

reelist said:
so, i had a hotmail account set up on my htc mail app. mail came through with no problems, but any actions i took on the device didnt get reflected on the server. so if i read/deleted mail on the device, i had to do the same on the web inbox.
i switched to k-9 mail which now deletes mail on the server, but doesnt mark the mail as read once i've read it. something which i do quite often as i use my hotmail for online purchases, and i want to read an invoice but keep it for reference.
does anyone know an app that allows mail thats read on the device to be marked as read on the server?
muchos gracias!
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Try this:
Setup a new account.
In the first screen, where you write your name and password, hit manual setup. In the next screen, select the last option (Exchange ActiveSync).
In the details put:
Server: m.hotmail.com
Username: your email eg. [email protected]
Domain: leave this blank
SSL: Enable this/use always
Certificate: SSL
It has some additional settings (sync contacts, calendars, etc.), select as needed.
Began testing last weekend after seeing this post. http://androidcommunity.com/forums/349480-post18.html
E-Mail is working good so far, have not used contacts and calendar sync. It pushes messages and syncs them both ways when necessary.

dr_tracker said:
Try this:
Setup a new account.
In the first screen, where you write your name and password, hit manual setup. In the next screen, select the last option (Exchange ActiveSync).
In the details put:
Server: m.hotmail.com
Username: your email eg. [email protected]
Domain: leave this blank
SSL: Enable this/use always
Certificate: SSL
It has some additional settings (sync contacts, calendars, etc.), select as needed.
Began testing last weekend after seeing this post. http://androidcommunity.com/forums/349480-post18.html
E-Mail is working good so far, have not used contacts and calendar sync. It pushes messages and syncs them both ways when necessary.
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so so close!
firstly, thanks for the tip. it seems to be working, but the only issue is that it has constant sync failures. i've only had it up for half an hour or so and have been testing it out, and when it works - it works well. but the syncing issue could be a deal breaker if its not an time-isolated issue. so far i've had to manually instigate the sync when i know theres new mail, or i want to push changes back to the server.
will give it a few days and see. if its still buggy i dont see spending 12 quid on it as getting value for money.

Weird... It's been working perfect so far, maybe it has to do with the OS version you have on your device, I have Cyanogen's 6.1 RC1, Android 2.2.1. Anyway I was looking for a product called Exchange for Android 2.x, but it's $20 and this is not an urgent need for me.
BTW, why you need to expend $12 on this, it's free as far as I can tell

Mail App

Anyone else found the stock mail appto be a complete pos?
I understand that the Surface RT is more a "Home" device than a "Work" one but still, a better mail app is needed, hell I've even settle on Outlook Express than this lol...

what specifically are you not liking about it? "pos" isn't very useful feedback.
It seems to handle multiple accounts OK - my suggestions:
unified inbox
message preview on/off
image download on/off

Unified Inbox is the number one feature I would like to have in the Mail app.

Trig0r said:
Anyone else found the stock mail appto be a complete pos?
I understand that the Surface RT is more a "Home" device than a "Work" one but still, a better mail app is needed, hell I've even settle on Outlook Express than this lol...
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It is junk, especially coming from the people who created Outlook. POP3 support is the biggest issue. I thought by now we would see an update, but no go

guitar1969 said:
It is junk, especially coming from the people who created Outlook. POP3 support is the biggest issue. I thought by now we would see an update, but no go
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I thought by now pop3 would be dead. Horrible protocol for mail

Hello,
i miss a "reading confirmation" for sendet items.
also i think the app has a big failure in syncing imap-directorys.
so on my "surface rt" or my desktop "windows 8 pro 64bit" i have the following issues.
- not all directorys are synct.
(i think there must be a restriction to the count of directorys, becouse new emails in the exist directorys are synct correct.
i have only a overall of 20 root-directory and a 222 down-under-directorys
i missing a count of 14 root-directorys with 71 down-under-directorys
can anyone confirm a restriction of syncing a count of directorys???

For me, the killer lack is the complete inability to send plain text. Too many automated systems, and a few of the people I'm in touch with, can't handle HTML email. Given the simplicity of supporting plain text vs. supporting HTML, it's a very annoying thing to not have.
I also really wish there was some support for user filters. Full integration with Exchange (server-side filters) would be great, but I'd settle for (a lot) less to have anything at all.
The inability to view the compose message window along with any other window at the same time is very annoying. I get that on a low-res display this might be difficult, but while the app is very good at scaling its display as resolution decreases on something like my Surface (right down to being usable while side-snapped!) it's terrible at using the resolution on my desktop.

I'm not experiencing any issues with the mail app. I use Hotmail, so I can set up filters at the Outlook.com website. I have a filter set up to route job-related mails into a specific folder and that's working well. Outlook.com also handles my sender blocking. I have a few folders and they all sync fine. I can view the "compose email" dialogue side-snapped on my surface without difficulty. It's not the most full featured app ever but there's nothing I need to do that I can't. *shrug*.
I think if there's one feature I'd like, it would be to be able to highlight a spam message and select "block future emails from this domain/address" to save me needing to do that on outlook.com
The only thing I now use the Outlook desktop app for is a weekly download & offline backup of my emails.

schettj said:
I thought by now pop3 would be dead. Horrible protocol for mail
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I agree but unfortunately some big providers still only offer it, like Roadrunner Mail(time warner). I understand the argument to set up a gmail account but MS should be all about flexibility and shouldn't dictate what email service we can use with their devices.

I personally use email pretty much all day every day, for a Microsoft app, it lacks so many features. As a simple start, flagging emails, every email client and their dog can flag emails and show flagged emails, the mail app however can't, its not exactly rocket Science!
Secondly, as mentioned before hand the lack of plain text emails.
The fact it isn't integrated in any way with the calendar, I mean I don't expect a complete replacement for outlook, but even windows phone applications can do these simple things, so why doesn't windows 8 get possibly the worst excuse for a mail app I've ever used?

I only managed to get the built-in Mail app to sync with my Gmail once, after that it throws generic connection errors. It was slow and obnoxious to use, I gave up and just use the web mail interface.

Trig0r said:
Anyone else found the stock mail appto be a complete pos?
I understand that the Surface RT is more a "Home" device than a "Work" one but still, a better mail app is needed, hell I've even settle on Outlook Express than this lol...
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I put my gmail accounts on the surface mail app and all I want is the "send mail as" option.

When you open a new email you will find your email adress in the left bottom corner. and there is also the possibility to use an another email adress.

@feygor: I agree in general, but there is actually some calendar integration. You can receive calendar invites via the mail app, and respond to them (yes/tentative/no). It's not perfect but it's no worse than on my phone, so far as I can tell, in terms of *that* feature.
Now, the lack of support for flagging (or, especially, the Importance flags)... that's annoying. You can't even filter the mail list to show only the unread messages! That's an option out of the box on WP7...

feygor said:
I personally use email pretty much all day every day, for a Microsoft app, it lacks so many features. As a simple start, flagging emails, every email client and their dog can flag emails and show flagged emails, the mail app however can't, its not exactly rocket Science!
Secondly, as mentioned before hand the lack of plain text emails.
The fact it isn't integrated in any way with the calendar, I mean I don't expect a complete replacement for outlook, but even windows phone applications can do these simple things, so why doesn't windows 8 get possibly the worst excuse for a mail app I've ever used?
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I agree its not a full featured mail client - it's the first release of the windows 8 store (gag) mail client. There's nothing saying it can't grow into something better, or even that other clients that are better won't show up in the store. As an "adjunct" email client its good enough for now - given I have my phone with me always and it "owns" my calendar, I can manage it there. The calendar sync does work fine with my various calendars, at least
Give it a rev or two. You may not remember the first versions of email and calendar in iOS, but I do. Yeah, they sucked pretty bad too.

Yeah, it's poor enough that I have to use webmail for all my non-Exchange accounts. Kind of sad that my phone is better for email triage than the Surface.
I'm actually tempted to write a new mail app. I have some POP3 and IMAP code sitting around from a few years ago when I was writing a replacement mail client for WM 6.5, so if I get a chance, might see if I can use some of that.

@amb9800: That would be great. It should even be possible to publish it on the store; MS seems willing to let people duplicate the functionality of built-in apps, and the required Capabilities already exist (really, just network access and File Picker, with Share integration if you want to get fancy). Just make sure (especially if it's C/C++ code) that it's reasonably secure...

I only had a problem with the mail app when using it to access my ISP mail account directly. Since setting up Gmail and forwarding my accounts to there I've had no problems with syncing my mails, contacts, calendar entries, chats etc. Strangely my surface is more reliable for chats than my win8 laptop... the laptop is constantly saying it can't connect to various services but the surface is okay.....just my personal experience.

amb9800 said:
I'm actually tempted to write a new mail app.
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Porting some existing app over should be fairly easy. Let's hope for yours and/or others to arrive

One thing I have noticed people complaining about and I may have an answer.
GMail only allows a certain number of IMAP connections.
If you exceed this, you will get errors. So, if you use Outlook, an iPhone, and a few other devices, you hit the limit.
Additionally, some apps are not following the rules and will open more than one IMAP connection. For example, Thunderbird will use 4 by default!
http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP:_advanced_account_configuration
Reducing the number of apps that are hitting your IMAP may help.