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I just noticed that the today items messaging and device lock disappeared from my today screen on my Atom. I would like to get them back. anybody know how? The don't show up in start>setting>today>items however, they are visible in the registery (and enabled) and visible with memmaid.
Please let me know if there is an other solution than to hrad reset my device.
Thanks in advance
there are limits of how many today items you can have
forgot how many
but the today item list is limited to 13
if you remove some in the reg the ones you are missing will show up
in today items
Hi Rul,
The other thing to check in your registry is the value of the Reg_DWord called "Order" for each of your plug-ins. Occassionally my plugins will play hide and seek if I've installed a new one and its default order number clashes with any of the other plugins. They do however still show up in the today settings. I'll post my reg settings so you can check yours are ok and then double chekc that the dll's for each are where they are supposed to be.
Good luck - Mallow1
Oops, forgot to mention that for me I have the Device Lock disabled anyway (so just ref to the other reg settings) as I have it in the sys tray instread to save Today Screen space, thanks to an excellent cab writen by armstrom http://buzzdev.net/component/option,com_simpleboard/Itemid,59/func,view/catid,27/id,17285/#17285 which uses the underlying Device Lock but via an exe which you can then assign to the sys tray using any of the tray launcher programs out there.
Regards - Mallow1
PS I swapped the icon out to be the same as Device Lock (armstrom's exe uses a different one if you happen to go down this route).
Thanks for you reply's.
With the messaging and device lock items I have 13 today items. (now 11 since these two don't show up anymore).
I have checked the Reg_DWord called "Order" and there are no clashes...
Any other solution?
Thanks for the device lock thingy in the sys tray, very useful.
What have you done differently since the last time you could see your missing items? Loaded anything else? Reflashed etc? It may help us track down what has gone wrong if Rudegar's suggestion didn't work and you have no clashes when you checked my suggestion.
Of all your 13 items do you run/ wish to run all of them or are some disabled (and unlikely to be used again). If some are redundnat, did you try Rudegar's suggestion of removing them from the registry?
On a side note, and without wishing to get side tracked or complicate your issue have you tried "MoreTodays" to see if that helps at all if all your 13 items are "must haves" but you are only seeing 11. It allows you to have multiple Today Screens each showing different plug ins. Depending upon how it works it may allow for >11 (or >=13) whatever the formal limit is, plugins to operate. See http://www.jgui.net/moretodays/index.html
Regards - Mallow1
Some of the today Items are disabled, in fact 5 of the 13. So I deleted a couple of them. Still not showing ion my todayscreen.
Well, as far as I know I have installed some programs, don't know exactly which I have installed, so that's not really helping.
I tried the program you've suggested and I can select messaging and device lock. But they still don't show up on my todayscreen.
I think I will have to learn to live with it, which is not that hard though, or I will have to hard reset my device.
Thanks for your help and suggestions.
After you deleted some from your registry did you try a simple soft reset (rather than having to resort to the horror of a hard one)?
yep, did that after every change I've made. No results though.
Sounds basic but have you checked that the dll files concerned are still present. If they are present it may be that a path is wrong in the registry (try adding an explicit path/double checking path matches location), else we can resort to simply replacing them just in case they have been corrupted.
On that last point did you try the Device Lock exe I highlighted. If that works it means that the underlying device lock dll works too (as the exe uses it rather than emulates it) and it is therefore a Today Screen issue we are facing not a corrupted dll.
Now that you removed your unwanted dll refs from the registry, how many Today Items are there left there? I have at the back of my mind that there is also an upper limit to the number of resources WM can handle at any one time (think I recall this causing problems with Wisbar not being able to skin a few things simply because too much was already loaded and the required dll file scould therfore not be used).... but we can save broadening the issues until we've eliminated the simpler more direct ones.
Regards - Mallow1
PS FYI I have 9 Today items in my registry and 7 that are enabled. If you delete your unused 5 items out of 13 that would at least bring you down to within the same range loaded in my registry and we could eliminate the "number in registry" from the list of possible issues.
Ooh, another quick one to try (I use it when I have items checked in the Today settings that have failled to show in the Today Screen), is try running this little app which simply refreshesd the Today Screen. See if your missing items appear afterwards.
Regards - Mallow1
Mallow1 said:
Oops, forgot to mention that for me I have the Device Lock disabled anyway (so just ref to the other reg settings) as I have it in the sys tray instread to save Today Screen space, thanks to an excellent cab writen by armstrom http://buzzdev.net/component/option,com_simpleboard/Itemid,59/func,view/catid,27/id,17285/#17285 which uses the underlying Device Lock but via an exe which you can then assign to the sys tray using any of the tray launcher programs out there.
Regards - Mallow1
PS I swapped the icon out to be the same as Device Lock (armstrom's exe uses a different one if you happen to go down this route).
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Hi, i love your today screen! Tidy but functional! Could you please tell me what apps/plugins etc you've got going on there?
Hi fuel925,
Thanks. There's something like 30-40 packages making up the entire screen and functionality. Rather than clutter this thread with an off topic reply I'll see what I can knock up and post in a separate thread to give you an insight and post a link here afterwards.
Regards - Mallow1
Hi fuel925,
Just follow the link...http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=46855&highlight=forgot+mention
Regards - Mallow1
Hi. Mallow1
I've tried everything, nothing is working. I rest my case. Thanks for your help anyway.
regards,
Rul
Hi Rul,
Sorry to hear that. I've heard that theAtom has had a chequered start. Sounds like hard reset time (and I did hear somewhere that since so many of the early Atoms were having problems that an updated ROM had been relased quite quickly post launch). If yours was an early one you may find searching or checking for the updated ROm and reflashing helps (I want to say I think I saw this with respect to Aussie Atoms but can't swerar to it).
Anyway. Good luck - Mallow1
When I got my Atom I imediately put the "leaked" ROM on it. So it is not the case of an old ROM or something.
I just noticed that it is not showing the smartdailing plugin from the Treo 700w I just installed on it. So I guess there is something seriously wrong with the today plugins.
Regards, Rul
ah ha amen!
I've searched for months for an answer to removing the system tray on WM5 & WM6
Edit your registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/ Software/ HTC/ Trayapplt
Export the Trayapplt string just to be safe you can merge it back if you change your mind.
Once exported delete the Trayapplt string completely and then soft reset your device.
System tray gone and the space is usable
Enjoy
You could have just removed the Init_Tray.lnk in the windows startup folder.
I afraid for most people that doesnt work as they dont even have that link file. I think the difficulty with the system tray is that different people have different circumstances. Some people can remove the int_tray link but If you search the web your'll see a lot of people desperate for a alternative method as they do not have this file on their devices.
It maybe the case that my method may not work for everybody but until someone produces a stable app to remove the system tray we'll keep searching for the best way individually to achieve this.
Sorry, didn't realize that that link didn't exist on all WM devices, but I haven't owned every device to know that. There are however programs that force the system tray such as DotFreds task manager and MyMobiler, etc, which even removing the Init_Tray.lnk doesn't fix because the icons will create their own system tray. Does your fix for it stop them from doing that? If it does, then I might just have to try your fix out for myself.
So far ive been running this setup for 2 days.
I use xcpuscaler which 110% uses a system tray icon whilst running. Ive also minimised many programs and the tray has never reappeared. Im not garenteeing this will work but I do know that its worked perfectly for me.
I hope this helps and if you export the reg as I sugested if the tray doesnt stay hidden for you for some reason then you can always merge it back
Hmm, my kaiser doesn't even have that key so I guess I'm out of luck there. I'm not sure if my wizard does or not, I'm working on cooking a new ROM for it and the ROM I have on it now is kind of messed up. I'll have to check it out when I get my new one cooked though.
fair enough, it seems to be very device related, im talking intensively to a strong programmer to try and sort out something permemantely.
Im running a XDA Orbit (Artemis).
Willl post any findings here
sorry it didnt work for you
Darren_Bridgeland said:
ah ha amen!
I've searched for months for an answer to removing the system tray on WM5 & WM6
Edit your registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/ Software/ HTC/ Trayapplt
Export the Trayapplt string just to be safe you can merge it back if you change your mind.
Once exported delete the Trayapplt string completely and then soft reset your device.
System tray gone and the space is usable
Enjoy
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that did the trick for me - thanks
Thanks, just joined today and i am now very happy with the fact this hack worked for me
Joined the forum chasing icons and now i think i wont be able to ever leave
Thanks again.....
No TrayApplt in my registry, unfortunately. Still can't figure out how to remove the tray bar on my Vario II (WM5) permanently. Whatever I tried, nothing worked to my satisfaction..
Edit: No Init_Tray.lnk either! Still looking for solutions, every solution is very welcome as long as it works...
Disable system tray for everything
xeno1 said:
Hmm, my kaiser doesn't even have that key so I guess I'm out of luck there. I'm not sure if my wizard does or not, I'm working on cooking a new ROM for it and the ROM I have on it now is kind of messed up. I'll have to check it out when I get my new one cooked though.
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My Tilt doesn't have that key either. I don't use the tray, have it disabled, but Task Manager always creates it again, until I exit Task Manager.
My Wizard doesn't have that key either.
Programs I have found so far that may cause the system tray to appear:
- Dotfred's Task Manager
- My Mobiler
- Pocket Informer
- SOTI's Pocket PC Controller (or similar: I don't recall its name)
- SPB Pocket Plus
All of these can be made to not create a system tray through their respective settings or otherwise, I believe. Currently I have MyMobiler, Dotfred's, Pocket Informer and Pocket Plus installed, and I have no system tray on my Kaiser. The above registry hack didn't work for me.
The problem I'm having is that when I go to settings > system > remove programs, it only lists the first 11 programs that I've installed myself, so I cant see / remove newer programs since they are not listed there.
The programs (all cab files) were installed through usb via active sync.
Is there a tweak or a registry setting that can be used to keep that program list updated and show every program installed.
If not, how can I uninstall a program completely from within my phone itself ?
I'm trying to avoid uninstalls through active sync.
I wish I had an answer for you. I have been looking for an Installation Monitor, Registry Monitor, Filesystem Monitor tool for a long time now but I don't think there is one out there. What an Installation Monitor essentially would do is monitor any cab that you install and create a log of what that cab added/modified. That way, when you come to uninstall it you could perform a FULL uninstall and it would truely bring your device back to what it was before you installed the cab.
There are many of these types of tools for Windows XP/Vista but I haven't seen anything for WM6. Also there may be some limitations as these installation logs could be quite long. Regular Windows software such as "Advanced Uninstaller Pro" and they seem to do a good job.
I wish there was one for WM6 because everytime I install something and don't like it and remove it, it seems to leave hundreds of files lying around. I hate that...
The closest thing I have seen to an uninstaller program that goes beyond the standard Windows uninstaller is SKTools. It has an option to perform a "deep scan" for installed programs and it attempts to remove all files that that cab added and revert all registry keys back to their original state. I am still testing it out on Windows Mobile Emulator. It looks like if the original cab didn't create an installation log, WM doesn't know it got installed.
I just experienced this for the first time myself, although I have about 20 programs in my remove programs list. Opera 8.65 doesn't show up in the list of installed programs, even though it is there and still works. I was trying to uninstall it from main memory and try it on the storage card but I guess I'll have to hard reset to really get rid of it. Any other ideas?
Hi - question from a WM newb.
[phone: HTC Fuze. Da_G 1.7 ROM]
What is the best way to remove programs?
I am aware there is a "remove program" function in the settings. Unfortunately, this seems to either:
a) be unable to remove certain programs
b) leave behind remnants of programs after it "uninstalled" it.
For example - I saw there was a google maps update out today which gives you street view. So I went to m.google.com/maps and installed it from there.
It seems to not have updated google maps at all which is what I was led to believe it would do but installed a whole new google maps (shows up as a "e" icon in my programs labeled "java". really annoying - what is that all about?).
I wanted to remove the old google maps and did so via the "remove programs" utility. It left behind the google maps icon which I just deleted from the windows/start menu/programs. I am left wondering though if I removed everything I could or if it left behind any mess that will slow and clutter my phone in the future?
I have searched and people seem to recommend SKtools to do this job. I was led to believe that it will do a better job but I am afraid it might mess with my registry - and registry tweaks seem to be the norm here (I've already done about a million).
Will SKtools leave my registry alone? Does it only remove registry enhancements that have to do with the program in question? Will altering even that mess with how other programs function? etc etc etc.
What is the best way to remove programs? (AND to remove programs that dont appear on the list like the "E" google maps thing)
thx much
the e icon is for the java emulator, the old version was a JAva one, this one is for Windows Mobile
that icon was created by Esmertic (the name of the java cemulator) for shortcut to Google Maps, else you'll have to go fireup the Emualtor first, then selct Google Maps from it
There are many tricks in SKTools, and yess it corrupts ur reg too, you just have to know what you doing..try PocketMechanic a shot too
hope this helps ya
Cheers
so is it pointing towards an online version of google maps or something, hence the reason why i cant find it to delete it in the first place?
thx
the one from "m.maps..." is a java version i guess, there is anew version in cab format here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=457376
awesome - thats what i was lookin for!
so if i delete that "e" icon will it be ok?
bpm2000 said:
awesome - thats what i was lookin for!
so if i delete that "e" icon will it be ok?
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Is it not clear to you that you have two totally different versions installed? You have a native WM app installed and the Java applet version?
Is that what this whole question revolves around??
no thats pretty clear now hehe:
-original question remains: what is the best method of removing programs (stock "remove apps" vs using a program like sktools), i guess wondering if there is sort of a general consensus when it comes to this. (like on a mac I always use appzapper vs just throwing the app in the trash)
-I installed the native wm version and I want to get rid of the java applet version but I am not finding how to remove that version since it doesnt show up on the "remove apps".
thx
Apart from the problem of the "Google thing icon", I was very interested about input on "how to remove programs properly"...
I too am annoyed with the builtin "remove program" function not being able to uninstall anything completely.
Any hint (beside deleting everything manually in registry and file system) ?
Thanks for your help.
mysterd said:
Apart from the problem of the "Google thing icon", I was very interested about input on "how to remove programs properly"...
I too am annoyed with the builtin "remove program" function not being able to uninstall anything completely.
Any hint (beside deleting everything manually in registry and file system) ?
Thanks for your help.
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i use ClearTemp for totally removing bad registry files. it's pretty usefull, and i dont see any unused icon in program menu
ingerasu said:
i use ClearTemp for totally removing bad registry files. it's pretty usefull, and i dont see any unused icon in program menu
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Thanks for the answer and sorry for being late replying.
I'll give it a try...
David
OK Here is a problem that I am having... I have Hard reset my device at least 3 times and every time I still see the same problem.
I walk through installing many apps but I never see them in the Remove Programs in settings? How do I get them there. Many of the Tweaks say remove and reinstall... but I can not remove since it is not there.
I have not run into too many problems with this but I want to shoo the question out there and see if anyone else is having this issue and if I can resolve it before it becomes a problem.
Thanks,
SoBBie
You may wish to post information about the ROM currently on your device. For example:
- Stock ROM (Carrier) or cooked ROM
- Service (Carrier) Provider
- Version of SPL
- Exact model of device: TouchPRO, Fuze, etc.
This information will allow folks to shed some light on why your cabs may not appear in Remove Programs.
Off the top, the ROM you are using may have been configured to *not* display installed cabs in Remove Programs.
HTH,
Thanks for the quick responce....
OK I have a HTC FUZE that I got last week Wednesday. I have the Plan old ATT one (minus the bloatware) and installed Rhodiim Manila. Here is the device info:
ROM Version: 1.95.502.5 WWE
OS Version: Window Mobile 6.1 CE OS 5.2.19971 (Build 19971.1.2.6)
Thanks again,
SoBBie
which programs have you installed that aren't showing up in the remove programs menu? I know a lot of the att programs dont show up (so you can't remove them once they've been installed).
Go to
HKLM/Security/Policies/Policies
Change 00001017 & 00001005
Value Data : 24 (Decimal)
Soft reset if necessary
*You should mentioned that you're using Rhodium earlier.. let us know your result later
When you connect to you PC using "AS" Go into the tools menu and click on add/remove programs. See if they pop up there.
Thanks to all of you who responded...
nhshah7, well it is pretty much any applications I install from spb Minesweeper to the custum ones here (like no Curtains). After installing about 30 Cabs to make the phone look and feel the way I like I only have 4 items listed in my add remove programs.
pcboyy, thanks, but I could not find those registry entries... Only folder under policies is API.
AkumaMax, Thanks for your help... i checked that out and could get to most of the items there.
pcboyy said:
Go to
HKLM/Security/Policies/Policies
Change 00001017 & 00001005
Value Data : 24 (Decimal)
Soft reset if necessary
*You should mentioned that you're using Rhodium
Tried this and it works fine.
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I had the exact same problem. Seems like one or 2 programs that I've installed cause this to happen. I had to hard reset the phone like 2 3 times just to make them show. now I keep an eye on the add/remove program list after I installed a program.
And mine is HTC Fuze with AT&T Stock rom/radio.