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Which flavour would you prefer?

Hi all,
Yet another Poll,
Please vote in order to help us set some priorities and focus on the next Roms.
Vanilla : -- Speaks for itself -- Basic OS
Business : -- Vanilla with Productivity Tools/Apps/Utils (M$Voice Command, Pim Backup, Full Office, Cambirdge BT Stack,Tray Launch to mention a few)
Full Flavour : -- Whatever we can cram into the Rom that benefits your average user.
Vanilla With Cabs : -- Cab files on extended Rom to install Apps at will.
Please feel to post any apps utils (Freeware/ShareWare only) that you would like included or feel would be useful to the rest of the community.
Cheers,
Regards,
Beast

+1 for Vanilla & Cabs - Since thats what the Extended ROM is for anyway...
Also, this allows you to easily customise\uninstall what you don't need

I vote either for vanilla. having the extended rom free for the most important document has become important for me.. business may be interesting too if not too much filled up

TehPenguin said:
+1 for Vanilla & Cabs - Since thats what the Extended ROM is for anyway...
Also, this allows you to easily customise\uninstall what you don't need
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I couldn't agree more!
An extended ROM with all the cabs present in the business version (including VC final version ) would allow any newbie to customize is won ROM.
Just open the extended ROM and select the wanted cabs.
If you provide the cabs and an extended ROM it would be even better!!

+1 For Full Flavour
The more space you can use on the ROM the better. Vanillas just waste ROM space since the only way you can put anything on the ROM is by flashing. I'll just take out anything on startup that I don't need.

best option for every one: Vanilla + CABs.
i, for example, cannot stand having voice command installed.
other ppl wouldn't like msn live installed. etc etc...
the debate is endless - everyone likes something else to be installed or uninstalled.
this is why vanilla + cabs would do the best job satisfying everyone.
storage space would be compermised though. but thats the sacrifice we have to make.

More storage more storage
OK,
So far the majority seem to prefer Vanilla and cab version, yet we also want to keep extended rom.
What if we go for exteneded Rom, unhidden, writeable and renamed to storage, then you can install any apps in there you wish.
We could make the cabs available (with an auto-install option too if you wish) and they install from your SD Cards.
This way it may keep the majority happy you get an extra 10mb storage to play with (rather than having the cabs in it) and anything you want auto-installed after 1st boot you simply copy to say "Install" Dir on your SD Cards.
There's another option to mull over guys!
Cheers,
Beast

that's the idea!! after reading davince's post I realized he was right and I wasn't...but your idea looks like unbeatable!

beast0898 said:
OK,
So far the majority seem to prefer Vanilla and cab version, yet we also want to keep extended rom.
What if we go for exteneded Rom, unhidden, writeable and renamed to storage, then you can install any apps in there you wish.
We could make the cabs available (with an auto-install option too if you wish) and they install from your SD Cards.
This way it may keep the majority happy you get an extra 10mb storage to play with (rather than having the cabs in it) and anything you want auto-installed after 1st boot you simply copy to say "Install" Dir on your SD Cards.
There's another option to mull over guys!
Cheers,
Beast
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You guys are great!!
Is getting hard to wait for such a wonderful ROM!!!

Vanilla + cabs. But when I say Vanilla, I don't mean removing things such as Windows Live - which is part of WM6!

possibly use the method i pioneered? you cook in as many programs as you can (full flavour) BUT you leave out the registry and shortcuts for them, and stick those in cabs. the result is a vannilla + cabs rom that has much more free storage. also (you probably know this) try to use initflashfiles as little as possible as it copies them from rom to storage memory, where ever possible (almost always) leave things in the windows dir and change the shortcuts + reg to match that.
just my 2p

Midget_1990 said:
possibly use the method i pioneered?
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no offence or anything of course, but helmi did it before you

jasonkruys said:
Vanilla + cabs. But when I say Vanilla, I don't mean removing things such as Windows Live - which is part of WM6!
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I agree, all the apps that normally come with WM6 (namely Windows Live & MS Office) should definitely be included in ROM 100% - then we can call that "vanilla" (anything else would just not be "WM6"). And possibly a better Bluetooth stack, as technically that would just be a "bugfix".

shlomki said:
no offence or anything of course, but helmi did it before you
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non taken, im sure he did, I just hadnt seen it done before

Midget_1990 said:
possibly use the method i pioneered? you cook in as many programs as you can (full flavour) BUT you leave out the registry and shortcuts for them, and stick those in cabs. the result is a vannilla + cabs rom that has much more free storage. also (you probably know this) try to use initflashfiles as little as possible as it copies them from rom to storage memory, where ever possible (almost always) leave things in the windows dir and change the shortcuts + reg to match that.
just my 2p
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This would be perfect.

I really want vanilla, I dont even want windows live, messenger or voice dial.....a very clean Rom. Please if you could just put one like that up for down load as well as what ever else, that would be great.
Cheers
guinevere

guinevere said:
I really want vanilla, I dont even want windows live, messenger or voice dial.....a very clean Rom. Please if you could just put one like that up for down load as well as what ever else, that would be great.
Cheers
guinevere
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Hi,
So it looks like, some people want Vanilla and some want Vanilla without the "essence" LoL.........
We'll see what we can do.
Almost there with VC so Roms shouldn't be too far off now.
Keep y'all posted.
Maybe we'll just release another kitchen update more automated than the last ones, I'm toying with an "AutoBuild" option on the kitchen to throw out pre-configured Roms based on a tick box GUI. Basically fire up the kitchen make your selection, click go, have a coffee, Rom built and flashed.
L8rs,
Beast

Peoples wishes
Hi all,
Leo and I are going to re-design the kitchen (rather than cooking a load of Roms)
I'll update the Kitchen (with bug fixes included) and add a front end that will allow you all to choose what flavour you want and have a one click build and flash process. Toying with the idea of also having a custom build that allows you to choose which oems to install as well as adding oems for commonly used apps such as SPB Phone, SPB Today, CorePlayer etc with the option to enter your serial numbers before cooking or build with demo version installed (but this requires a lot more work to incorporate so we'll see how it goes)
Items fixed so far wifi wpa
fully-functional phone (quick responding keys) The response was slow and Talk button doesn't always work.
Ringtones on SD Card.
New Email account creation
Thanks again to Leo for his help with all of this.
Cheers,
Beast

hi, just to let you know i will be back, thanks to pug i've brought the its i needed to fix my Universal, however i also have my new athena so i wont have enough time to maintain a whole rom release but, if you guys doing the kitchen have anything you want doing i could help with that

beast0898 said:
Hi all,
Leo and I are going to re-design the kitchen (rather than cooking a load of Roms)
I'll update the Kitchen (with bug fixes included) and add a front end that will allow you all to choose what flavour you want and have a one click build and flash process. Toying with the idea of also having a custom build that allows you to choose which oems to install as well as adding oems for commonly used apps such as SPB Phone, SPB Today, CorePlayer etc with the option to enter your serial numbers before cooking or build with demo version installed (but this requires a lot more work to incorporate so we'll see how it goes)
Items fixed so far wifi wpa
fully-functional phone (quick responding keys) The response was slow and Talk button doesn't always work.
Ringtones on SD Card.
New Email account creation
Thanks again to Leo for his help with all of this.
Cheers,
Beast
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wpa-tkip fixed??
way to go!
i wonder, what did the trick?

benefit of built-in software in ROM

If there is anyone guru enough to answer me that, is it better to include the softwares while making a ROM or using those software after flashing the ROM. including the software in the ROM, wont it make the OS little slow.
I would be grateful if anyone answers in a bit.

as i understand it, the cooks are maximizing the apps in their rom because you will not be able to use the part wherein there is no apps included, unless you make it into more pagepool, but this will come with a price, a faster rom with more battery drain and less program mem

From a chef's point of view, it means less time configuring and installing cab files after flashing. Or suppose you have to do a hard reset on your device? you dont want to have to install/find all those cabs or apps that you use on your phone all the time.
Sometimes the included applications are used to enhance performance

plus you can compress those files and save alot of extra room to install more programs!

Apps built-in your ROM , not to use the memory space

is it better to include the softwares while making a ROM or using those software after flashing the ROM.
including the software in the ROM, wont it make the OS little slow.
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my point of view..slightly OT, maybe.
+.i am not talking about 4mb-trendy-touch-apps here...1 touch cube app ROM space = 1-30 other(useful) apps.
+. software installed from card takes storage space..(until installed..on card),
+. not all software can be installed on card(info for those with storage mem shortages..)
+. usually yes, it is better to include software(unless you can live a day/week without hardreset) in rom, but,
+. depending on what you include, OS will(touch soft, gigantic unoptimised today plugins, ****ty resident apps), or won't(tcpmp, gsplay, ebook reader, pdf reader, another browser, synchrotime...etc..) be slower.
+. software that is not running won't make OS slower / won't eat your mem,
+. imo, it is good to have softkey applet in rom, gsgetfile, tgetfile, fmodce libs in rOM....
+. you may have added 34580 programms inside rom without almost any RAM usage, until you launch one of them(nonresident apps of course..).
+. you can include cabs in OS, not just extrom - fast method for making reversable customisations, g4 friendly ROM building,
+. you can add things like cleartemp, pimbackup and other useful utilities,
+. applications added to ROM may use your configurations, customized settings, resources.
+. manual installation proces may take some time(these 23 programs, then configuration, 5 softresets...you know..), customized/automated rom may speed things up.
+. upx may be useful,
+. XIP modules may be useful(commgr can be xipped...todayagenda CAN be xipped(400 kb used mem LESS)...etc).
+.you can edit some resources to make things faster(smaller files, optimised resources - commgr, dialer gfx etc)
-.new versions of may be nightmare for some cooked in software(update problems, etc) - cab inside rom instead of oempack may help here - you can uninstall such thing, but when your card die you will know that your java/communicator/browser cab is there, ready to be installed on new card.
-.not all things can be upxed(to save space in ROM), not every program can be built into rom(i.e. gsplayer - cab only), not many can be XIPped,
-.it takes some time to build oempacks, especially with preconfigs...
of course, it's ok to keep soft on card, especially that not needs installation - emulators, unpacked apps, etc..but when card dies..
sorry for poor english..just my 3 cents.
it is not important, if you will just add tcpmp, or whole swarm of apps, will be there always ready to run.

Would agree
Think, I would also go with the idea of including all the necessary softwares in the ROM package...will help while doing Hard Reset...
A Question: Are we going to see your ROM here???

mikaarce said:
as i understand it, the cooks are maximizing the apps in their rom because you will not be able to use the part wherein there is no apps included, unless you make it into more pagepool, but this will come with a price, a faster rom with more battery drain and less program mem
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Any evidence that larger pagepool means more battery drain ? Thanks...

Miraco said:
Any evidence that larger pagepool means more battery drain ? Thanks...
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the problem with the batterydraining is with this programs that stay resident
and take some processing time.
also a common problem is a corrupt extended rom due to wrong settings or
changed pagepool and such. Hardreset sometimes help but it wont set things
right if they werent so in the first place.
having bad reception also drains a lot battery as it needs to search over and
over thus keeping the antenna activated. (for example look at the
batterydrain when making a call.)
Leaving the backlight on.
the bluetoothstack when its on takes also a lot of batterypower.
in combination with wifi it will have a huge drain.

[PreRelease BigStorage] Just2Clean and Two New Kitchen [Updated:04.22.08]

Update: 04/22/08
This is a release for the ROM and the porting kitchen. It does not port XIP's, yet, just SYS folders, but it does what it needs to do. I haven't tested it in more than just one port, though. The one I did test came out perfect, though.
The ROM has 63.XXmb FREE storage and 31.XXmb free with SD RAM.
To flash it you MUST have a HardSPL'ed Herald or Wing and a microSD card. Just place the HERAIMG.nbh into the SD card's root directory. Do NOT rename it to anything else. Then hold the camera button down while you turn on the device and then press the volume down slider when it asks you to. Wait until it says it's done. I haven't tried to run any activesync other than to an exchange server so tell me if that isn't working.
I'll be done with finals this week and then I can finally work on the other kitchen.
I'll upload it when I come back from school.
Update #2: 04/14/08
Just added a screenshot. Mind you, this is WITH SD card AND after I installed my "troubleshooting" tools.
Update: 04/14/08
60mb of FREE storage space.
32mb RAM with no SD
30MB RAM with SD
No compression (I'll probably released a UPX'd version, as well...)
Fixed all bugs found so far except for two. Maybe you guys can help me figure them out... the sad part, I've fixed these same two bugs countless times in my other ROMs, but I just can't remember how I did it. lol
1. Comm Manager: It doesn't matter what comm manager I place in there, it still boots up the built in comm manager. (The one that Tmobile has anyways.)
2. The Vibrate button. I have all the files and I have it setup so that it vibrates when you hold down the comm button, BUT it keeps trying to open VoiceCMD even though I deleted all visible entries for it...
Update: 04/03/08
Ok guys. Here's some info on my current projects.
1. Just2Clean is almost done. I just have to fix some bugs. The OEM is from an unreleased Wing ROM, the SYS I ported over using... well keep reading.
2. My phone currently is running currently has 62.38mb total of storage... and I was able to shrink the extrom and use that ROM space for storage. Granted, you need to have HardSPL and a memory card for this to work, but it's awesome. This ROM is also so small and stripped that it's the fastest ROM I've ever used and I don't even have any tweaks on it, yet.
3. Kitchen 1: PPCBuildOS: Unfortunately, I haven't had time to work on porting it, but after I get Just2Clean fixed, I'll be working on it. AWESOME kitchen. The creator is so willing to help, too. Made me a developer of the Atlas section (Herald compatible so no worries for those Herald users.)
4. EasyPortKitchen. So far, I've got it porting SYS folders just fine. I haven't been able to setup XIP porting, but that's because I still don't understand the process behind it. If someone wants to explain it to me, I'll be able to finish this kitchen. So far, Just2Clean had its SYS folder ported in this way.
EDIT: 5: I plan to release the ROM with language packs for the kitchen. Then you can just check on the language you want the ROM to be in while building the ROM.
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Ok, change of plans.... I'm currently working with the makers of PPCBuildOS to make an Atlas/Herald version of their kitchen. It's currently being developed with JustClean, but it will eventually be released with my Just2Clean. (That'll be the new name.) That kitchen is AWESOME, btw. ^_^ Makes my kitchen look like a pitiful script kiddy toy.
Just2Clean will be a WM6.1 stripped down better than JustClean was, more modulized and with its OEM based on an unreleased ROM.
I'll keep you guys posted but I'm not sure of how much I can talk about now that I'm helping develop the Atlas/Herald side of it...
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A few things that I've been thinking about on my "off" time... basically, the time that I'm just unbusy enough to have my own personal thoughts outside of work or school related ones. lol
All these ROMs would be compatible with my kitchen.
1. SuperClean - A ROM built with lots of compression and minimal programs. The point of this is to be the "bigstorage rom" where you can't even flash it normally because it doesn't meet the size requirements of the RUU/SPL.
2. JustClean2 - Based on an unreleased OEM from an unreleased ROM that I made before I switched to WM6.1. It's based on a Wing ROM... but it has potentials. It just feels faster and it seems to take less space than the current Herald base I'm using. Not to mention that some people are having issues with Herald based ROMs and some bluetooth enabled items.
3. OldClean/NewClean - SuperClean and JustClean2 may have both WM6.0 and WM6.1 versions... I find that, although WM6.0 is slower, it also takes up less space (and therefore can net more storage space) and some people don't seem to like a lot of the WM6.1 features.
What do you guys think? Which would you like to see first? If any? Any better ideas? (And no, no ideas about which programs should be in it, you already have my kitchen for that.) Oh, and the kitchen would become modular, the JustClean1 ROM would be released seperate from the Kitchen.
I'm itching for a ROM as quick as my old WM6.0 ROM, but I haven't had as much luck getting the Herald ROM to run as quickly.
BTW, has anyone ever used my old CleanROM with the Herald keyboard driver? Did you ever have any issues with it?

I vote for a newer WM6.1 built than the "old" 19xxx - there were newer ones outside before bepes kitchen ROM but thy had ActiveSync problems...
Maybe now there are new builts.
OR if not i vote for WM7...hahaha
ALLL the "clean" crap doesn´t make sence to me... why to have a clean rom and then install all by cab.
I ONLY cooked a rom because i was sick of installing all cabs
lol

Good to see ur back to cooking roms
Well i Love the functions of WM6.1 so just about and clean 6.1 rom you cook will be great
so i'd guess from ur descriptions that'd be SuperClean...
Edit: I also use the Office suit a lot but i can add that by a cab, since i know most clean roms dont have it since it takes quite a bit of space

papamopps said:
I vote for a newer WM6.1 built than the "old" 19xxx - there were newer ones outside before bepes kitchen ROM but thy had ActiveSync problems...
Maybe now there are new builts.
OR if not i vote for WM7...hahaha
ALLL the "clean" crap doesn´t make sence to me... why to have a clean rom and then install all by cab.
I ONLY cooked a rom because i was sick of installing all cabs
lol
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These ROMs are meant to be used with my kitchen. That way they can add what they want and what they want only. Some people just don't use any programs and want the available storage space for other reasons. (Like photos.)
The SuperClean would attempt to create a lot more free space in the ROM. (For example, I have 54.93mb total (I've got a few files saved so I'm not sure how much I had free at first) currently in the ROM I'm currently using and it's no where near optimized and it's one of my fattest unreleased "SuperClean" ROM's that I have ever made.
Imagine being able to get 60mb free WITH all the apps that you use. It would be awesome.

Well at the moment i have a 4GB Memory Card, but reguardless i preffer to use cean roms as they tend to be faster and have more program memory available.
Especially since i use Point UI and dont rly care about today plugins

I vote for just a 6.1 Rom w/ good tweaks (and ready to go for tmo usa) and no extra programs.

BTW, has anyone ever used my old CleanROM with the Herald keyboard driver? Did you ever have any issues with it?
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Yes I have, and no issues at all.

BTW, has anyone ever used my old CleanROM with the Herald keyboard driver? Did you ever have any issues with it?
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I did, but there were some serious issues (I can't remember which though). I had reporeted them in CleanROM thread for sure.
BTW, when are you going release final of your oven? I need to fix several small issues in my custom ROM, but I'm too lazy to do so with current version

GiZZy said:
Well at the moment i have a 4GB Memory Card, but reguardless i preffer to use cean roms as they tend to be faster and have more program memory available.
Especially since i use Point UI and dont rly care about today plugins
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And THAT is the problem ... even with 63MB program storage... we will NEVER get more than 32MB free RAM (memory)
to get more storage for apps or even cach is not the problem. BUT getting more RAM is not possible.
But as a clean rom for cooking - OK
but then:
- no skinning
- default looking
- only left what is needed for running system (phone, base apps)
and than we can cook....
thx
AND why don´t we have this OS "System 5.2.19202 (build 19202.1.0.0)"????
the kaiser people have it..

papamopps said:
And THAT is the problem ... even with 63MB program storage... we will NEVER get more than 32MB free RAM (memory)
to get more storage for apps or even cach is not the problem. BUT getting more RAM is not possible.
But as a clean rom for cooking - OK
but then:
- no skinning
- default looking
- only left what is needed for running system (phone, base apps)
and than we can cook....
thx
AND why don´t we have this OS "System 5.2.19202 (build 19202.1.0.0)"????
the kaiser people have it..
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I took a look and found out the kaiser guys have 5.2.19716. How do I extract the OS from their roms? I gotta have that build!
Must... Cook... Rom...

papamopps said:
And THAT is the problem ... even with 63MB program storage... we will NEVER get more than 32MB free RAM (memory)
to get more storage for apps or even cach is not the problem. BUT getting more RAM is not possible.
But as a clean rom for cooking - OK
but then:
- no skinning
- default looking
- only left what is needed for running system (phone, base apps)
and than we can cook....
thx
AND why don´t we have this OS "System 5.2.19202 (build 19202.1.0.0)"????
the kaiser people have it..
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I'm currently learning how to port properly for that specific reason. 19202.1.0.0.
As far as the skinning goes, the final should have the option to have no skin. I'll work on that. The base should have a few things disabled. I'm also working on that. As far as RAM goes, I've gotten up to 38mb free before, but it was missing a lot of items... I could always just modulize the whole ROM and let people choose EVERYTHING down to if they want bluetooth support or not. This can net some pretty nice amounts of free memory. It's just more work for me.
I am also thinking of modulizing the MUI's in the ROM, effectively allowing people to just download language packs. Doubleclick on the file, wait until it does its thing and then you have a French ROM, or a German ROM, or whatever...
It's not that I can't do it, it's that it takes time.... time I don't have.

ivanmmj said:
What do you guys think? Which would you like to see first? If any? Any better ideas? (And no, no ideas about which programs should be in it, you already have my kitchen for that.) Oh, and the kitchen would become modular, the JustClean1 ROM would be released seperate from the Kitchen.
I'm itching for a ROM as quick as my old WM6.0 ROM, but I haven't had as much luck getting the Herald ROM to run as quickly.
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It seems to me that the 6.1 ROM is a bit faster when doing some things (like opening the windows folder using total commander) is involved - but I think the 6.0 can be tweaked to be just as fast? I would be very excited to try either your SuperClean or JustClean2 as long as the ROM is based on Wing.
I used your CleanROM for quite a while with NO problems but on a Wing.

Update on the first post.

ivanmmj said:
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Ok, change of plans.... I'm currently working with the makers of PPCBuildOS to make an Atlas/Herald version of their kitchen. It's currently being developed with JustClean, but it will eventually be released with my Just2Clean. (That'll be the new name.) That kitchen is AWESOME, btw. ^_^ Makes my kitchen look like a pitiful script kiddy toy.
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yay new kitchen!

wow, can't wait to try the superclean (superfast???) rom

Let us script kiddies get our toys!

Updates on the first page!

So it will come with the same kitchen like JustClean?
62 megs...sounds cool. I hope it will be possible to stuff the rom with office etc. and flash it as usual.

Not with the same kitchen. With a new GUI kitchen that the guys at PPCkitchen.org have made for other phones. I'm just helping them port it to the Herald/Atlas.
The EasyPortKitchen is something you would use to port a ROM.
You can install anything you want on it. All my ROMs are always minimal and allow you to install whatever you want on them.

You can install anything you want on it. All my ROMs are always minimal and allow you to install whatever you want on them.
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That's the best of your releases. Just a clean package so everyone can add what he needs, noone has to have stuff on their phone that they don't like. It's simply a Good Thing (tm).

can i request a stripped WM 6.1 ROM

hi... i want a clean WM6.1 Rom for my G3 device please....

Good luck in your search travel!
evoluzionne said:
hi... i want a clean WM6.1 Rom for my G3 device please....
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So search for vanilla flavored Roms There are many... just SEARCH!!!

Are you sure about that? The only bare-bones recent WM6.1 ROM build I see is j.vd.spank's "WM 6.1 CE OS.19588 from Diamond", and that one has a few issues that were never fixed.
It might be nice to see a truly clean 20273 ROM.

It is too much vanillas please!!!!
TNT 20273 vanilla
yes that 19588!
AMP is 6.1 too...
Search people search....
But... tell me... honestly... Is there any Coocked ROM that is Perfect!????
That comment maybe starts fire on this web men!!! but I dont think so... just words...

+ Que PPC said:
TNT 20273 vanilla
yes that 19588!
AMP is 6.1 too...
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TNT is new but even the vanilla version is far from "clean". AMP is older and no cleaner. No ROM is perfect, of course, but I really think evoluzionne's request is valid... and probably easily satisfied. Making a fully customized ROM must be more challenging (albeit more satisfying) than a naked version.

I used to be a believer in vanilla ROMs, but I have found that any ROM space that goes unused is just wasted. Cook your own ROM and pack it to the MAX to utilize all the space that's available. Tweak it as you find problems and recook.
The Wizard ROM holds about 80 megs (this total will decrease if you put compressed files in your ROM), but if you only cook 60 megs into it, you cannot reclaim that wasted 20 megs. You might as well use it.
I have been on a space saving crusade for the last 3 weeks and realized that my vanilla ROM was just a big waste of space. You can test it yourself by cooking a fully packed ROM, and a vanilla ROM, and check the free space for each after the first boot. (it usually says about 2 megs of storage RAM has been used. This is from initflashfiles copying files from ROM into RAM.)
During this time I also realized I could use the Extended_Rom to store some system files! I have put NetCF3.5, SqlCE3.5, and TCPMP on the Extended_Rom, and it's working great. This saves me 10 megs, my cooked ROM has over 80 APPs (before UC)! It's as fast and stable as any ROM I've tried.

-joemanb-
ahh that really what i want.. so i want a basic ROM of 6.1 so that i will able to cook it to match my own need....
(basically i often using office, email, music player, etc)
but i realize that i just cannot to just ask for it to anybody (search, search......)
wish me luck
cheers
evo

joemanb said:
I used to be a believer in vanilla ROMs, but I have found that any ROM space that goes unused is just wasted. Cook your own ROM and pack it to the MAX to utilize all the space that's available. Tweak it as you find problems and recook.
The Wizard ROM holds about 80 megs (this total will decrease if you put compressed files in your ROM), but if you only cook 60 megs into it, you cannot reclaim that wasted 20 megs. You might as well use it.
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That's a pretty good point. Clutter is bad regardless, and I strive for its elimination, but it is important to realize that unused ROM space doesn't translate into available storage space.

[ROM] 23658 ROM with extendir cooked in. Anyone interested? Also, a few other things.

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http://www.filesavr.com/LZCAM6F8NJHMTI6
Background info:
I have found that every ROM I use will start out being very snappy and lean but after a few months of use I notice that performance degrades quite a bit, even with 16+MB of free RAM. My theory is that the more files are put into the /windows folder, the slower the ROM goes (due to the fact that windows mobile uses a ROM image rather than the file system for the OS.)
I was able to successfully cook extendir into a T-Mobile Wing ROM unsing SuperJustKitchen 0.9. Thanks ivanmmj! I was wondering if anybody was interested. If anyone is interested, I need a recommendation for a good file host to upload this.
Here are the RAM statistics with a 6MB pagepool, CommManager and ActiveSync running in the background and the filesystem cache enabled.
13MB free right after boot 17MB free after ~20 seconds (5MB "magically" appears then.)
Same, but without filesystem cache enabled.
15MB free right after boot 19MB free after ~20 seconds.
I haven't tried running Oxios and looking at the results. I don't like the way it frees up RAM for S2U2. It isn't cooked into the ROM either.
ROM is build 23658(LZX compressed) with 45MB free storage memory.
Programs installed:
Windows Media Player
Remote Desktop Mobile
Internet Sharing
Internet Explorer 6
Office 2010 with OneNote
XdaShutdown
10 button touch commManager
Bluetooth FTP Explorer
Connection Setup 1.5 (no ADC so you have to run this if you want MMS/Data.)
Games installed:
Mobile Mines
Bubble Breaker
Solitaire
Chess
-------Download Link-------
http://www.filesavr.com/LZCAM6F8NJHMTI6
Next thing:
Now I've noticed that when I cook only mHub into the ROM, the camrea works but windows media player fails to play videos. When I only cook mHubVO into the ROM windows media successfully plays videos but the camera does not work. When I cook both into the ROM, everything works fine. I was wondering if anyone else has this problem.
Next next thing:
I'm looking at all the modules loaded by the executables running in kernel mode (gwes, filesys etc.) and I'm wondering if perhaps we can cut/swap a few of them out of the ROM. Same thing with the drivers that the OS loads. Has anyone tried this? I'd really like to know if anyone has anything to say for this.
Questions, comments and suggestions are all welcome!

Anything special when it comes to installing ? SD card setup and such. I'll give it a try.

crz6662 said:
Anything special when it comes to installing ? SD card setup and such. I'll give it a try.
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Nothing special. It's LZX compressed but still RUU compatible. It's barely over 50MB. Thanks for trying my ROM, there's not much that's special about it besides extendir. If you want MMS support you'll have to go to "Settings" > "Connections" > "Connection Setup". Please let me know if you find any bugs.

Will do, just give me a few days. Been awhile since I've played with my Wing.
I too have noticed slow downs, lags and such. Find myself using HtcClaysSuperFast 1.6 on my G1 because it's just so damn fast. I find I want fast & instant reponse versus bells and whistles nowadays. I've flashed all the new stuff for my Windows & Android but get annoyed at all the waiting. Speed is King....that's what caught my eye.

Where is the ROM?
The link is not available...

So can we get the link working again.

Motherboard fried on old computer. Lost all my backups, roms & such unless I can slave the old hard drive. As previous post said, link is down. Can you fix? Thx.

Hey guys,
Sorry I haven't been on here in a long time. I've been busy with school and other things. Anyway, I recently reformatted my computer and I don't think that I backed up my ROMs. I'm going to try to find time to make the ROM again. Sorry about that. If anyone had a copy of the original ROM then I would be very thankful it one of you could mirror it.

Thanks for your effort!

I'd love to try that on my herald also.
And plus..it would be great if it is cooked with manilla2d too )

Ok, I can start downloading tools/building next week. Tomorrow is my final day of school and I have a few other things I need to do this week. Sorry about this.

ohhh i want to try but the link is dead.

I would love to try this, I just unloaded the JustHome Rom I have been using for almost two years now and am trying out some newer roms to find a good mix of speed and function. Most of the roms seem to work well and then slow down like you said. This would be a fantastic improvement. To bad I missed out on the original upload.

sry for reviving a dead thread! it though would be great, if you'd upload the rom again!