Hello,
I have an issue with the way I use email that I've noticed in both WM5 and now WM6 (ie. no improvement!), and was wondering if anyone else has any ideas:
I use a server-side rule to move all incoming email that matches a certain filter into a separate folder (what this actually catches all emails sent to another email address which is in turn forwarded to my Exchange box), therefore I have my normal 'Inbox' another folder called 'Inbox 2'. This works very well for my needs, and indeed ActiveSync and DirectPush all work fine on my Windows Mobile device (have the 'Inbox 2' folder setup to sync).
The only problem is email notification on Windows Mobile. When I get a new email (using DirectPush) it gets pushed to my device and up pops the New Mail prompt. However, when I get a new email that automatically gets put in the 'Inbox 2' folder (server side) even though it gets pushed to my Windows Mobile device I do not get any notification. This means I find myself manually looking in this folder a few times a day to see if there are any updates.
Anyone else have a usage pattern similar? Any ideas on how to trigger a notification?
Cheers, Simon
I also use folders to categorize email, and as far as I've noticed, I do get the new email icon when a message goes into a filtered folder. What device/ROM are you using, as that may be one part of the problem/solution.
Urthwhyte said:
I also use folders to categorize email, and as far as I've noticed, I do get the new email icon when a message goes into a filtered folder. What device/ROM are you using, as that may be one part of the problem/solution.
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Hi - thanks for your reply!
Setup as follows:
HTC Touch, standard out-of-box ROM (WM6)
and i-Mate JAMin, standard ROM oem updated from HTC web site (WM5)
DirectPush email via Exchange 2003 Server
Server-side rule processing (ie. defined in Outlook 2007 but then stored and actioned on the server, thus rules work pre the emails hitting the client - part of the problem I think).
Any input you could offer greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Simon
After an exensive test of one (1) email, specifically created to trip my rules, it does appear that you don't get a notification. I'm now with the OP and would love it if someone knew of a reghack or modification to settings that would make these emails trigger a notification.
I'm on a HTC Wizard with mfrazz's Xda Release 3a and the same DirectPush enabled Exchange 2003 with serverside rules.
I think this is 'by design' (ie. you actually get exactly the same functionality in Outlook 2007 client on your desktop, however I've created a custom client-side rule to trigger a notification when emails are received to my filtered folders).
I too like you would ideally be looking for a reg hack (or similar) to extend the folder(s) which the built-in notification on Windows Mobile monitors.
<fingers crossed!>
Anyone know a solution for this? I do have the same issue.
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Hello Everyone,
I have a T-Mobile USA SDA and had a problem with emails on the device.
Not sure if it is working as designed or if there was a blug, so I thought I would float it by you guys.
Setup:
Mail client on T-Mobile USA SDA
Configured manually to check pop and send smtp with my gmail account. It is set such that the message headers are downloaded first.
I connect WIFI and send/recieve
I receive a header I had sent myself for testing
I click on it and select to download the message body.
I go back to the inbox.
I do send and receive.
I receive the message body.
I read it.
I go back to the inbox.
I do send and recieve.
Result:
The message is removed without a trace. it is not put into deleted items folder, nor does it remain in the inbox folder.
Is this expected behavior? I am not allowed to store mail on my device? Is there a registry setting to change this behavior? There is no options within the application. Is there a registry setting to change wheremails are stored in general? thanks for seeing the barrage of questions!
Yes I got the same result with you. Mine is a Dopod 577w (Tornado in Taiwan). This behaviour also happens to other mail servers.
ni hao,
I had searched a bit about it and found some places explain it. The explanation sounds weak, but it looks like something we will have to live with until either gmail or ms changes their server or client software.
USENET:
Sat, Mar 4 2006 7:24 am
The problem is with the default behaviour of Gmail - it will "hide" all the
already-downloaded mail. Unfortunately, it seems not even now that the beta
phase is long over can you effectively override this behaviour - the POP3
radio buttons just don't stick in the Settings window.
Therefore, the best solution IMHO is switching to an alternative e-mail
client that doesn't remove the messages that are not available online any
more from the local view. The alternative mailer clients FlexMail and Qmail
are like so - see the row "Does it only display mail that is still on the
server? " in the comparison chart of my mailer client roundup at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=569&more=1 . Of the two,
FlexMail offers scheduling capabilities.
PocketPC MAG:
Does it only display mail that is still on the server? : one of the most-criticized problems with Messaging is that it does not show older messages (messages that have been deleted in the meantime) in the Inbox unless you explicitly (mass-)move them to a separate folder. As can be seen, it's, in addition to Messaging, only nPOPw that deletes the messages from the local view that don't exist on the server any more. The other mailer applications don't.
I might just write a pop/smtp client software myself. Much easier to tweak it to do what I need it to do, and in my previous job I worked for an email client so I know those protocols well. I probably won't add advanced functionality or IMAP/Exchange, because I have no individual use for those.
Very Useful info.
My current solution to this issue is Outlook & ActiveSync. Just download your mail to PC and sync. Mail in mobile Outlook account will not disappear unless you delete them.
By the way, I think Gmail mobile website is also okay for mail browsing & composing.
(it is not a good experience posting reply here using Pocket IE)
I'd like to write a mail client using .NET CF just for fun if I have time. I'm not a C++ guy.
I'm posting this here since it's more of a general WM5 question...
I'm very happy with the new ROM for my HTC Wizard, and Push Email especially.
However, in Microsofts infinite wisdom I am not alerted when new e-mail arrives in subfolder to the main Inbox (however, I am alerted when I get new email in the main inbox). I'm not very surprised since Outlook 2000/XP/2003 works the same way, but it is very annoying having unread e-mail I don't know about.
Is there a program or a ToDay-plugin or a registry setting or anything that enable alerts for new e-mail in subfolders?
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I would very much like to have this feature as well. I receive emails when servers go down, and I have an Outlook rule setup to send the email to a subfolder under my Inbox. I do not receive any notifications when I get emails in those subfolders. Did anybody ever figure out a way to get this working? I have a Cingular 8125 (HTC Wizard).
I am sorry to bring up this old thread but I have the exact same question I seach around and didn't find anything. I also seach HF and seem like no one know if notificiation for sub folder is possible.
Can someone verifiy if getting email notification for sub folders is possible? I have a 8125 running wwm6 rom.
bump up to the top - looking for the same feature.
I am looking for this same feature. I am using emoze to sync my inbox and a few subfolders. I am using a AT&T Tilt (HTC kaiser) with WM 6.
So there is still no solution to this ?
It is a "feature" of Outlook.
Desktop and Mobile versions do not notify the system that subfolders have received a message. Desktop 2003 used to do this, and then it was removed.
I don't have a workaround for the Mobile version. On the Desktop, I use search folders instead of subfolders. It sucks, but it works.
The reason subfolders don't notify, is that most subfolders are used for non-important messages (i.e. spam, or system notifications). I get over 200 emails an hour about servers being up/down. So, I get a lot of notices. However, using subfolders, I never saw anything!!!
Yes I understand the rationale behind the 'feature'. But I have important mail in the subfolders. Unfortunately at this time there seems to be nothing we can do.
I was hoping a registry entry which would let us add a subfolder path or something like that.
Voice Command Will Tell You (sometimes)
I think there must be an event that can be trapped if someone (more capable than I) can cobble together a few lines of code.
I have MS Voice Command with the JetWare bluetooth addon. On my 8125 running WM5, I would get the read-out-loud notifications for mail delivered to subfolders. I've recently upgraded to a Tilt with WM6 and this bug/feature doesn't repeat.
I think this is a feature that many "power users" would appreciate... at least as an option.
Have a look at SPB Diary. This can show your emails on the today screen...including subfolders that you choose.
Did anyone ever find a better solution to this?
I saw people asking the same question here: http://discussion.wmexperts.com/showthread.php?p=1409571
and here:
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=160584
and here:
http://www.everythingq.com/forum/moto-q-9m/email-notification-15135.html
and here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archive/2006/05/23/605303.aspx
I'm sure there's loads of other places where this has been suggested. It just seems like an obvious feature to me, especially if you are promoting WM6 as a business tool.
Rob
Too many notifications...
On a related note, this question:
My Hermes (AT&T 8525, WM5) alerts me when new mail arrives... that's no problem. However, If I don't stop and read it then, the next time it syncs it notifies me again about the same mail. Is there any way to set this up so that it will only sound a notification when something *NEW* comes in?
Thanx,
Woe
Hey everyone...
Just wondering if anyone had come up with a Gmail Notifier type program (or an acceptable workaround) for the Today page. Specifically, I am looking for the following features:
1. Checks your Gmail account every X minutes and notifies you on the Today page if you have new unread mail.
2. Does NOT download the headers (see #3).
3. If you check/read your email on your home computer, the next time your WM/PPC device checks for new messages, it will clear the 'unread mail' alert as those messages are no longer unread.
4. Uses data connection, not SMS.
Item #3 is the biggie for me. I use multiple PCs/devices (work desktop, work laptop, home desktop, home laptop, 8525/Hermes) and therefore want to manage all my mail via my browser since it will always be consistent no matter which machine I'm using. I do NOT want to have to clear/delete headers off my mobile device after I have already read the mail using one of my PCs.
I just want a flag to show on the Today page if I have currently unread mail sitting in my Gmail box and to go away when I don't... no matter which machine checks/reads the message(s).
Even better would be if it supported multiple Gmail accounts and Gmail for Domains.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
You almost hear the crickets in the silence.
This would be a great thing if it could be accomplished. I can write something like that in Linux using PHP, and then port it to Windows, but there's no way I could get close to doing something like that for the mobile, you're prolly better off using the GMail client from gmail.com/m and just setting it to download headers only, not the body, since it's just a simplified interface to the website for the phone. I used it on my SE w810i for a while because I was out of the house for over 20 hours one day and wanted to check my mail. (GPRS/EDGE data connection for the win.)
Finally, someone has taken this project on! Egil has developed a gmail notifier for Windows Mobile. I've been using it for about a week now. Works well. It is still a work in progress.
Its nice not to have to delete the headers I was downloading via POP3.
http://www.egilh.com/blog/articles/poGmail.aspx
Good news! Gmail is going to support IMAP.
So reading a message on your PocketPC will change the status to read on the server.
It will be interesting to see if using IMAP through Pocket Outlook will work any better/easier.
Just waiting for IMAP to be enabled on my account so I can compare.
IMAP doesn't need to appear on your GMail settings!
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78799
But instead of entering port numbers enter imap.gmail.com:993
cmartino, what device were you able to get poGmail running on?
Did you get a today screen plug-in to appear?
Did you install ".NET Compact Framework 2.0"?
I still like SMS for email notification because it does not drain the battery and is true push. The problem: SMS is usually not free. The solution: peekamo, the only SMS service free on both receiving and sending.
On one of my servers, I run a Perl script to check gmail via atom feeds and then send a SMS to my phone via peekamo. Works like a charm, love it.
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cmartino, what device were you able to get poGmail running on?
Did you get a today screen plug-in to appear?
Did you install ".NET Compact Framework 2.0"?
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Installed on WM 6.1 which includes .net CF 2.0. Today plugin seems to only work when run from \program files\ (tried \extendedrom\program files\ to no avail).
Nice little app - worth a look if you aren't totally enamored with pocket outlook...
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Finally, someone has taken this project on! Egil has developed a gmail notifier for Windows Mobile. I've been using it for about a week now. Works well. It is still a work in progress. Its nice not to have to delete the headers I was downloading via POP3. http://www.egilh.com/blog/articles/poGmail.aspx
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that site no longer exists, any ideas where to find a good gmail notifier?
Hi, I've got an issue with a user's Motorola Q and Active Sync with Windows Mobile 6. They are syncing with my Microsoft Exchange server and they have several folder aside from the inbox that are set up to sync. They have mail rules set up so that some types of new mail go directly to the other folder and bypass the inbox totally. All of this updates fine, but when they get new mail in these other folders they are not notified of the new message. It's there, but they have to go look in each folder and check to see if anything is new. I'm wondering if there is some fix that any new message that shows up will notify the user. I would even be willing to update their phone to WM6.1 if that would fix it and I could find a MotoQ update rom.
Thanks for any help!
Ok, through all my research I seem to find that this is a limitation in ActiveSync and it can only notify the user of new email received in the in Inbox. My question now is, does anyone know of any additional software that will enable notification of new email received in folders other than the inbox?
Thanks!
My Fuze auto configures for yahoo and goes to a imap.mail.yahoo.com server, it works like an IMAP champ.
I then configure my Outlook for the same settings and I keep getting the UserName/Password entry box. I know I have the settings the same as the phone and the correct username/password.
Any tips? Imap for my Yahoo would be awesome on Outlook.
I am kind of answering my own question here. Looks like Imap Yahoo has a way to verify an id of the device type before it allows connection. So apparently wm6.1 mail app sends what it needs to Yahoo Imap Mobile but Outlook does not.
Damn, I was looking at doing that as well. I hope they open it up!
Hi,
Surely there must be a way to fake this via Outlook, anyone?
Not that I have ever found. I made a full conversion over to Gmail as a result and low and behold it was a huge pain in the ass and I now have to monitor two email addresses.
Hey,
Thanks for the reply. From what I understand, Yahoo servers require a specific, but non-standard IMAP command to be sent before login is done. The command is: “ID ("GUID" "1")”. Rumor is that its easy to modify the client to send it. Mutt and Mozilla Thunderbird already have a modded version. Furthermore, YPOPSs! and FreePOPs also use this command.
Can anyone provide some insight as to how we would go about modifying the connection string Outlook uses?
I guess this would be similar to configuring your browser to present itself as a different client - something that is very easily done.
Thanks!
I would also strongly appreciate a solution for this...
Somehow it should be possible to make "desktop Outlook" behave like its mobile counterpart. At least as an option...
I have found this on the web describing the issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access
Does someone know how to incorporate the sending of the described ID string into Outlook as well as it seems to be present in the mobile version??
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I would also strongly appreciate a solution for this...
Somehow it should be possible to make "desktop Outlook" behave like its mobile counterpart. At least as an option...
I have found this on the web describing the issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access
Does someone know how to incorporate the sending of the described ID string into Outlook as well as it seems to be present in the mobile version??
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Actually Yahoo IMAP does not recognize ur phone/pc..
If u want it to use on pc pl make sure that u selected download only headers option then only it wroks
jean-luc said:
I would also strongly appreciate a solution for this...
Somehow it should be possible to make "desktop Outlook" behave like its mobile counterpart. At least as an option...
I have found this on the web describing the issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access
Does someone know how to incorporate the sending of the described ID string into Outlook as well as it seems to be present in the mobile version??
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ok .
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Actually Yahoo IMAP does not recognize ur phone/pc..
If u want it to use on pc pl make sure that u selected download only headers option then only it wroks
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This is NOT true. I have tried downloading only headers and still the same problem: On the PC Outlook fails to connect correctly to the IMAP server due to the problem described on the page I have linked to above.
With mobile Outlook on the phone downloading headers as well as content via IMAP works perfectly.
I agree with Jean Luc. When using a mobile device to access the Yahoo IMAP server, any and all options work as they should. However, when using Outlook via non-mobile computer, it doesn't work.
Clearly Yahoo has implemented a filter on the connection string Outlook is sending to prevent users from using IMAP. I believe the fix should be relatively easy. Can anyone provide some insight on this?
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This is NOT true. I have tried downloading only headers and still the same problem: On the PC Outlook fails to connect correctly to the IMAP server due to the problem described on the page I have linked to above.
With mobile Outlook on the phone downloading headers as well as content via IMAP works perfectly.
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bump from the ages for a damn solution!
MS Technical info found...need help applying
Just happened to be searching more generally for this myself today for my desktop Outlook having got used to IMAP on my WM6.5.3 Energy ROM and wanting better that 'leave mail for x days' POP3 options (Specifically I want my desktop sent items to sync up to Yahoo mail like then do when sending from my phone so in and out boxes are all in 1 place)
Found this MS Technical info page that seems to give all the info needed on how to get Outlook to send custom properties, it's just I don't have enough knowledge of RegEditing to get this right ;(
Changes to custom properties in Outlook - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/907985
Scroll down to just over half way on the page and start reading from 'Not recommended: Use the AllowNamedProps registry key'
That suggests you can edit your CurrentUser registry values to permanently send pre values as part of each recieve something along:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\11.0\Outlook\AllowedNamedProps\{00020329-0000-0000-C000-000000000046} "Kind"=dword:00000000 "ID"=dword:00000001
???
Although I presume that the {000...00046} GUID is Machine or User specific and that's the bit I'm not sure what to set for my install, think I worked out the other bits.
Anyone with better Windows Registry knowledge able to help out?
Found working Yahoo IMAP 'incoming' proxy
In my continued searches I came across the following IMAP proxy which acts between Outlook and Yahoo to insert the necessary GUID 1 string as part of it's call to Yahoo's server, and would do that same for any other IMAP capable client at http://www.ameir.net/blog/archives/43-Yahoo!-Mail-IMAP-Proxy.html
Using the Windows download of this tool on Windows 7 with Outlook 2003 (Odd combination I know!) I was able to get Yahoo IMAP email and all folders to appear within Outlook where I thought I was onto a real winner!
Unfortunately it looks like either the proxy or my setup didn't fully support 2 way IMAP as I wasn't able to drag any local email up into the IMAP account as I should have been able to do.
It did however allow me to pull down server copies of Sent items from both Yahoo Webmail 'Sent' and WM Device 'Sent Items' folders and just drag and drop them into my normal Outlook default Sent Items so those were all together again.
Setup was pretty simple for what I got working:
1) Download and unzip the file in the Windows archive from that page above
2) Run the .exe included with those extracted files to open a DOS window running the proxy
3) In Outlook configure a new IMAP email account but set incoming IMAP to 'localhost' then in advanced settings make sure incoming port is 3490. Setup all other fields as you'd normally expect and with Yahoo normal SMTP server address.
4) Outlook will add a new tree for that account in left hand 'Mail Folders' view, just click around and explore. If no sub folders appear right click on root and choose 'Update Folders'
Hope that helps someone, and as code for this proxy is open source maybe someone could work out how to embed this customisation direct within Outlook so IMAP should then work fully 2 way?
Will keep my fingers crossed someone with suitable skills sees this thread as would really like to move into an IMAP world now I know how much better than POP3 it is!!!
A special thanks to Howshall for the research!
I have tried adding those registry entries in an effort to get Outlook to send the custom command, but it doesn't seem to be sending it when looking at the outgoing packets. Can anyone offer some insight? Thanks.