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Where memory goes to?

Hi everyone! Updated to Darkforce's ROM, but have same question for another ROMs.
As I know Universal comes with 64 Mb RAM and 128 Mb ROM. Well, fine. After installing WM6 by DarkForce "Memory" in "Settings" reports:
Storage Program
Total 43.50 Mb 48.88 Mb
In Use 10.13 Mb 27.87 Mb
Total 33.37 Mb 21.01 Mb
I allow that Windows hiding real size of RAM, but is it using 45 Mb real?
And what about storage? I guess that some ROM memory eats up ROM (that I updated), that's nearly 70-80 Mb. And something WM.
My guesses are right? If that so, how working devices with less memory (like 64/64)?
And what does mean Extended_ROM in "Storage card" option. What is it for and how to deal with this? Why on WM5 weren't that?
Sorry for n00b question.

Sharp WS003SH memory question/problem

Hi everyone,
Because I've seen the "not enough memory" notice a few times now, I decided to make a simple calculation on the device's memory. And the results are strange:
Program memory (RAM)
-- Total 43.62 MB / In Use: 28.07 MB / Free: 15.55 MB
----- but the device has 64 MB RAM, so where are the remaining 20 MB?
According to the Task Manager, all running programs, including the device natives such as GWES.exe (5,7 MB), DEVICE.EXE (4,1 MB), Shell32.exe (2,4 MB) -- consume a total of 14 MB, so this is very strange...
Storage Memory
-- Total: 81.81 MB / In use: 32.55 MB / Free: 49.27 MB
----- the the device has 128 MB of ROM, so where are the remaining 46 MB?
So I am stuck with some 14 MB of RAM left which is apparently not enough - the IRIS Browser (1.1.5) for instance shuts down after two clicks.
If anyone can explain this or even better - suggest some remedy - they'll be most appreciated! Thanks!

just for your info, we don't deal with non-HTC devices..
hope you get your answer

288 MB ram? but where to find it?

Hello guys
I already used the search and looked around on the internet using google and ecosia... but it didn't help me... everytime i am looking for the answer to my question: "HTC says that the touch pro has got 288 MB of ram but there are only displayed 193 MB and my free memory is about 65 MB (used 128MB)" i only find some roms that say that they have a lower pagepool... but that does not help me in finding a solution to my problem that i can't access the complete ram...
is there any workaround for this issue? a classmate found a rom for his touch hd2 which solved the same problem as mine but on his hd 2... now i ask you for a solution on the touch pro.. please help me ^^

i think you didnt think about the fact that the OS needs ram too ... but you can try ROMs without manila that spare ram; which ROM do you actually have?

I'm using the latest energy rom, its all fast and very smooth animations.. really great :]
but no i think you didn't understand me... the hardware ram is 288MB according to HTC. The memory manager shows me that there is in total only 193 MB available. 128 MB of these 193 MB are used... the rest is unsused memory... now what is about the rest of the 288 MB ?
the osram usage is included in the 128MB if you trust the task manager ^^
so what is my phones problem? are there maybe some limitations that can be solved with some registry changes? on windows vor PCs you can disable some parts of the ram that they are not used... can this be a possible problem on my phone? when I was using the O2 branded original rom there were 212 MB usable 80MB used and 132MB free... i really can't imagine why ._.

ok, i see, but what about the memory that is needed to store the files that will be used restore the files after you do a hardreset?
Do you know nue storage manager? Try it and look, how much drives you have installed in your memory... which you dont have in normal use

do you know the difference between ram and rom? operating systems are always installed on roms and the ram looses its data during a hard reset.

audiocore said:
the hardware ram is 288MB according to HTC. The memory manager shows me that there is in total only 193 MB available. 128 MB of these 193 MB are used... the rest is unsused memory... now what is about the rest of the 288 MB ?
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Yes, hardware RAM is 288 MB. In your case (with Energy ROM) 95 MB of RAM is used by the OS itself, so you have only 193 MB RAM available. You should know that the rest (in your case 193 MB) depends on the ROM cooker. Energy ROMs are known for not being RAM friendly, actually NRGZ28 stated once that he doesn't care for free RAM. That is the reason you have only 65 MB of free RAM. For example I'm using CRACING ROM and I have about 110 MB of free RAM after reboot, if Sense 2.1 is enabled. If I disable it, I have about 130 MB left. When I was using offical HTC ROM, I had more than 150 MB of RAM - that is with all today plugins (TF3D for example) turned off. Of course, if I disable HTC dialer (that has a video dialer and other options) and switch to ordinary WM dialer, I can free even more RAM. Pagepool is also very important - it is a special area of memory reserved for loading apps into from ROM. I think that the default pagepool is for Raphael 12 MB (that means 12 MB less RAM), but most of the cooks sets pagepool to 20 MB or more - that means 20+ MB of RAM used for faster loading of apps. That is why your phone is so fast with Energy ROM - it has a veeery large pagepool, but you have very little free RAM because of that.
So, to make things simpler, most of the RAM is used by the OS, GPU, TF3D/Sense/Titanium/SPB Mobile Shell/some other UI app, pagepool, dialer, other background services/processes etc. So you just have to decide what ROM to use - there are some ROMs (like yours current) that are very bad for RAM, but there are others with 120 MB+ or even 150+. You can also cook your own ROM and maybe gain 180 or more free RAM.

pilgrim011 said:
Yes, hardware RAM is 288 MB. In your case (with Energy ROM) 95 MB of RAM is used by the OS itself, so you have only 193 MB RAM available. You should know that the rest (in your case 193 MB) depends on the ROM cooker. Energy ROMs are known for not being RAM friendly, actually NRGZ28 stated once that he doesn't care for free RAM. That is the reason you have only 65 MB of free RAM. For example I'm using CRACING ROM and I have about 110 MB of free RAM after reboot, if Sense 2.1 is enabled. If I disable it, I have about 130 MB left. When I was using offical HTC ROM, I had more than 150 MB of RAM - that is with all today plugins (TF3D for example) turned off. Of course, if I disable HTC dialer (that has a video dialer and other options) and switch to ordinary WM dialer, I can free even more RAM. Pagepool is also very important - it is a special area of memory reserved for loading apps into from ROM. I think that the default pagepool is for Raphael 12 MB (that means 12 MB less RAM), but most of the cooks sets pagepool to 20 MB or more - that means 20+ MB of RAM used for faster loading of apps. That is why your phone is so fast with Energy ROM - it has a veeery large pagepool, but you have very little free RAM because of that.
So, to make things simpler, most of the RAM is used by the OS, GPU, TF3D/Sense/Titanium/SPB Mobile Shell/some other UI app, pagepool, dialer, other background services/processes etc. So you just have to decide what ROM to use - there are some ROMs (like yours current) that are very bad for RAM, but there are others with 120 MB+ or even 150+. You can also cook your own ROM and maybe gain 180 or more free RAM.
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Great comment! Don't forget that the Radio will also use up some memory and especially with the HD2 there seems to be a Radio (original t-mobile) which uses almost 12 MB less than others.
However, what is your problem? You are concerned about battery life (keeping all that RAM happy and addressed) or you have a specific application which wont run. I didn't check the latest NRG ROMs but he ran pagepools up to 26 MB. It's one of the first things I check with a tool called pagepool changer. I adjust mine to 16 meg which is/was supposed to be the sweet spot for the Raphael/TouchPro and never had any problems, speed or memory issues.

tyguy said:
However, what is your problem? You are concerned about battery life (keeping all that RAM happy and addressed) or you have a specific application which wont run.
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If the question is adressed to me, and not OP, I need at least 90-100 MB of free RAM because I heavily multitask. That is the main reason for being WinMo user. Besides, ROMs with low RAM are usually battery hungry.

pilgrim011 said:
If the question is adressed to me, and not OP, I need at least 90-100 MB of free RAM because I heavily multitask. That is the main reason for being WinMo user. Besides, ROMs with low RAM are usually battery hungry.
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My answer was addressed to both. I also multitask though mainly Word, Excel and chat and as long as I don't open iGO all is running well (and you don't multitask while driving anyway ).
Let me check how much free RAM I have. ROM is in my sig, modified the PP from 26 MB (NRG's default) to 18 MB, Manila 2.5 with added Program Tab and Max Manila 2.7SE fullscreen on top. As you see I run the xperia X2 task manager because I too like to know what's left in RAM.
The screenshot is after ~ 4 days after the last boot "active sync'd"

tyguy said:
I also multitask though mainly Word, Excel and chat and as long as I don't open iGO all is running well (and you don't multitask while driving anyway ).
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Well, I do multitask while driving. For example, iGo is running along with browser. When I need informations about traffic on main intersections (from the video cameras in my city), I open the link for that particular intersection via browser and then Streaming Media plays that clip. In the meantime iGo is running in the background of course. Lot of RAM is required for these tasks. And what if someone calls me - the dialer is also RAM hungry... Besides, often I use GPS whilst walking. This is just an example - like I said, I'm a heavy multitasker.

humm okaaay... but on my older eten glofiish x650 with only 64MB of ram I had about 24MB of free ram though windows mobile 6.5 (only tried it out ) so windows mobile can be 40MB small... and although it seems to run very well...
humm what do you mean with radio? the music radio or something like gsm radio module for windows mobile? (sry 4 my comprehension issues but i'm from germany ^^)

talking about the radio rom, which can be updated / changed like the OS and make it possible to get better phone reception or gps or ...

audiocore said:
humm okaaay... but on my older eten glofiish x650 with only 64MB of ram I had about 24MB of free ram though windows mobile 6.5 (only tried it out ) so windows mobile can be 40MB small... and although it seems to run very well...
humm what do you mean with radio? the music radio or something like gsm radio module for windows mobile? (sry 4 my comprehension issues but i'm from germany ^^)
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I really think that you should read XDA Wiki, as much as humanly possible, in order to understand basic things about WinMo. Cheers, mate.

[Q] More RAM available

Hi! I try xdandroid rom from his official site.
Apart little things maybe fixed on other rom that i've found here, there's a method to increase the available RAM? Because I've a Raph100 and it use only 50/60 Mb (I saw that in the "running applications" menu).
Thanks!

TheXeno said:
Hi! I try xdandroid rom from his official site.
Apart little things maybe fixed on other rom that i've found here, there's a method to increase the available RAM? Because I've a Raph100 and it use only 50/60 Mb (I saw that in the "running applications" menu).
Thanks!
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Well obviously to physically get more RAM you'd have to get the soldering iron out and be pretty brave.
To manage memory better, read my Speed Improvements thread. There's a topic that covers memory management - you can get as detailed as you want with it, or just use the SuperCharger script. Either way, depends on how much you want to learn it .

I don't understand very well, but i don't think this will change the physical ram used. I mean, if it runs under/with win mobile, maybe we can change one parameter to release more memory. Like the page pool setting: maybe applying this directly to haret.exe

But the problem is, winmo is shutdown completely; if I'm not mistaken. You know, the whole reason why you have to reboot your phone in order to get winmo back. Usually apps that run under winmo, you just shut down and either run cleanRAM to regain the memory or you could reboot at that time but you do it while winmo is still running in either case.

TheXeno said:
I don't understand very well, but i don't think this will change the physical ram used. I mean, if it runs under/with win mobile, maybe we can change one parameter to release more memory. Like the page pool setting: maybe applying this directly to haret.exe
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You don't understand, WinMo is completely kicked out of memory - no trace of it is left. Many have done extensive tests, WinMo ROM speed has no effect on Android speed - why would it? It's not running "under" WinMo. HaRET is not a 'virtual machine' or an emulator. We're actually running Linux on the hardware - about all WinMo does for us is initialize said hardware.

Understand. And ok... but the question remains: my raph has 288Mb of RAM. Why Android use only 60? (in application menu: (plus or minus) "xx Mb used of 60 total")

TheXeno said:
Understand. And ok... but the question remains: my raph has 288Mb of RAM. Why Android use only 60? (in application menu: (plus or minus) "xx Mb used of 60 total")
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Well 288mb is the total amount. In WinMo, you don't have that much total because of various things like video etc. Lots are beyond me.
Perhaps RAPH doesn't have all the banks available? I doubt it. Have you checked with free? In the terminal.
My RHOD says 171mb total, when I also have 288mb physically. I would think it would show more than 60 tho... Perhaps you've done something wrong? Using the wrong startup perhaps...?
You say you have a RAPH100, that isn't one of the crippled models.

So it's not only my diam100 who can not use all the RAM! I'm relieved!
I knew that even with 192MB, 64MB were blocked for VRAM (I think)
Winmo 6.5 shows a total of 111.66Mb
In settings, xdandroid 2.3.7 (compiled by me) shows only 30Mb, with free 0Mb
using the command FREE in the ADB, however, shows a total of 103Mb, with 1 or 2 MB free
In these days I'm doing some tests with compcache off, 24Mb (1 / 4 of RAM) or more
using Compcache the maximum memory is increased, but free is always 1 or 2Mb!
In the next days I will try with FRX07.1, we will see

Fabiett83 said:
So it's not only my diam100 who can not use all the RAM! I'm relieved!
I knew that even with 192MB, 64MB were blocked for VRAM (I think)
Winmo 6.5 shows a total of 111.66Mb
In settings, xdandroid 2.3.7 (compiled by me) shows only 30Mb, with free 0Mb
using the command FREE in the ADB, however, shows a total of 103Mb, with 1 or 2 MB free
In these days I'm doing some tests with compcache off, 24Mb (1 / 4 of RAM) or more
using Compcache the maximum memory is increased, but free is always 1 or 2Mb!
In the next days I will try with FRX07.1, we will see
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Based on free, that sound accurate. Settings -> About Phone might be using some different metrics (I honestly don't know).

And what about the 1 or 2 Mb free? they're too less to be ALWAYS 2 Mb, or not?

TheXeno said:
And what about the 1 or 2 Mb free? they're too less to be ALWAYS 2 Mb, or not?
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What is this, I don't even...

I mean that it isn't normal which there are always 2Mb free, in according to Fabiett83 (he says this)

I'm sorry, before i meant 1-2 mb of uncompressed ram, there was still free memory in compcache
I think android needs more than 100Mb of ram, so it keep closing open apps and processes when i/it need ram for anything else
this could explain the ever full ram and the long time needed for opening apps
even answering to calls needs more than a minute if the phone app is not open!
Edit:
This is the result of ADB Free command in a fresh FRX7.1 install
_____ ---- total --- used --- free - shared - buffers
Mem: -- 103160 - 101116 -- 2044 ------ 0 ----- 72
Swap: - 102392 -- 64004 - 38388
Total: - 205552 - 165120 - 40432
Android uses a total of 165Mb of ram
Now with compcache set to 80Mb in froyo.user.conf
_____ ---- total --- used --- free - shared - buffers
Mem: -- 103160 - 101332 -- 1828 ------ 0 ---- 256
Swap: -- 81912 -- 54032 - 27880
Total: - 185072 - 155364 - 29708
Here uses 155Mb, but leaves less compcache free
Last with compcache set to 64Mb
_____ ---- total --- used --- free - shared - buffers
Mem: -- 103160 - 101812 -- 1348 ------ 0 ---- 352
Swap: -- 65528 -- 34356 - 31172
Total: - 168688 - 136168 - 32520
I Don't know... seem to always use the max possible uncompressed ram and thel load the rest in compcache
what i can clearly see is that the less compcache i use the more responsive the system is!
I will stick to 64mb for a while, i hope 168Mb is enough for normal use

Problem with storage free space

Hi, I have a problem. I have Alcatel Idol3 5,5 6045Y not rooted. And I found out that I have much less freespace than I should have. In setting when I look at internal storage I see that I have around 3,5 GB free space and yet all taken up space is about 5,2GB. So i should have more than 5GB free space. How is than possible.
Uncanny thing is, that it says that Miscellaneous is 283MB and the graph tells its much more. How can I find all that space EZ file manager shows nothing as well.
Has this ever happened to anyone?

Hi and sorry for the spelling but I'm French.
I noticed the same thing on my side.
in parameter> Storage
In order :
1 - available space 11.04 GB
2 - Available: 5.49 GB
3 - Applications: 2.35 GB
4 - Image, Video: 117 MB
5 - Audio: 600 KB
6 - Download: 8.00 KB
7 - Data cached: 667 MB
8 - Miscellaneous: 7.21 MB
If you do the math between Available and Miscellaneous (2,3,4,5,6,7,8)
Yr can not find the sum 1 (Available space)
Deviation of about 2.5 GB !!!
So I use the excellent manager of X-plore file to a "Map Drive" and I perceives that a system partion 2.47 GB in the famous 11,04Go apparently corresponding to at 64-bit part of Android.