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Hi Wizkidz, Magician Junkies, HTC Hacking Staff, and all!
Is there possible to put Linux OS to the Magician? If so, I can do it in the same way like BA? I want to try it, but I'm not sure it is possible, and if it is, will it be stable?
Waiting for replies....
See here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux
Thanks for the link.
I've already saw it somewhere, but I'm not sure that is possible on Magician. You know that a lot of PDAs supports WM5 but Magician isn't. So I think it is possible on some devices, but not sure on Magician.
Any experiences?
I don't know about those guys, but I've found a "good try":
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/magician/README
If you follow that, it boots graphical GPE and you have access to a number of applications.
The touchscreen works, but the whole thing is quite unstable on my pda - the apps keep crashing on launch - and AFAIK there is absolutely no support for phone capabilities. The sound driver is also gone. Bluetooth seems to work out of the box.
But as I said, it looks like a nice try, with a lot of potencial.
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
WM6.0...
The new look and a lot faster device...
Is there any feature that won't be available with WM6, that did work fine in WM5?
Thanks,
vma
Video call isn't working yet.
Rolud said:
The new look and a lot faster device...
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The way I see it, WM6 may or may not work for you and may or may not do it for you. Try it. You can always go back to WM5. Most people don't.....
Well .... the simple answer is that I did a lot of searching and reading, and finally tried it out for myself.
I asked this very question a while ago right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1130569&postcount=88
And came to the follwowing conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1155497&postcount=89
In the conclusion, the thing about the Bluetooth Stack / Voice Command - it was actually Voice Command that was the problem and this issue was fixed in Jrwightmcps' 2.02.00 WWE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297256
Crossbow ONLY!
Tell you the truth... i see the new WM6 is better eye-catching GUI not to mention the enhancement in the functionality and other usability such as email related functions. I know that MS wont just upgrade for no obvious reason nor for desktop OS compatibility.
Yet i reckon i wont -never- go back to magento! Crossbow ONLY!
@nvatvani:
Indeed your posts where the only ones I read, that contained some usefull info about the subject.
No offense to all the other members of course!
I was simply wondering about what to do when my MDA Pro arrives: replace the German firmware with a WWE WM5 one or go straight ahead to WM6 without even looking at WM5.
Also, I had some problems with my Blue Angel, when I tried WM5 on it: it may have been a coincidence, but one day after the upgrade the screen went mad and totally messed up. Only 1 Hardreset in about 100 tries would bring it back to normal for some period of time and even reflashing it with WM5 or 2003SE would not make it work normal again. The screen would get messed up suddenly for no particular reason. At the end I had to send it in for repair, which was actually a good thing, as I complained about the loose stylo and bad working hardkeys, all within warranty. I got a new key-pcb, backside and they reflashed the device with 2003SE. I posted this issue in the BA forum, but got no usefull hint. This means I am a little scared of upgrading to unofficial releases.
Other than that, I have no problems with flashing, as I do that on my other hobby (satellite receivers) frequently, including JTAG-operations for repairing bricked devices. The same applies to games consoles. (Note: I do not sell or benefit commercially from that activity and my goal is not to get illegal software or TV - not that you guy's get the wrong idea about me).
Anyway, thanks for your replies!
Cheers,
vma
What Windows Mobile 5.0 AKU 2.0 has and Windows Mobile 6 (the cooked ones, having tried them all) doesn't have, according to my experiences:
1. Videocalling - at least not a proper one
2. Bluetooth Dial Up Networking (the DUN profile)
3. Wireless Modem (yet some WM6 ROM's have it, although without shortcut in the start menu)
4. Cyberon Voice Dial by default (some WM6 ROM's have it by default, others will need a 500kB CAB to activate it)
The reason why I went back to "good old" WM5 is mainly the reliability. Ok, the OS may be a bit slower here and there, but it has all the functionality (e.g. videocalls and Bluetooth DUN), and NEVER hangs. It just always works and that's what I desperately need right now.
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The things Windows Mobile 6 has for me that 5.0 hasn't which I miss the most:
1. High resolution browsing in the normal Internet Explorer (I don't want to use alternatives)
2. HTML email support
3. The impressive speed of the OS
Applications like WM6's Windows Live and the superb Remote Desktop Client are also available for WM5, so I don't need to miss those, otherwise I sure would, and then I might have sticked with WM6.
The new sounds and GUI are great, but I don't really miss them, since that's not a true functional thing.
Having WM5 up and running again, without freezes and memory leaking and with full HTC Universal functionality, is enough for me to be happy with it and to stick with it. If there ever will be a ROM that actually ADDS Windows Mobile 6 on top of all of this (without a single registry tweak or CAB fix needed), then it's the time for me to upgrade again.
If such a ROM will ever see the daylight, since it won't be officially available for the Universal, I don't know. I think the HTC X7500 (Athena) will be there sooner (April 2007 over here), and that one will have a official WM6 upgrade for sure. That'll be my next one, so until then: WM5 for my Universal!
So far for my opinion.
why do I use WM6
vma said:
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
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To be honest, I used them all and later delteted them after 5 2 hours. They leak a lot, ram is at minimum and useless third party applications, and a lot fo thing sodn't really work or missing (I just want a vanill aone without 3rd party applications).
Except for one rom, Darkforce, it is fast and furious, and so far I have using it for two days; battery usage is good, and no leaks. However, no video calling, and no way to set com ports for bluetooth devices. any1 has this problem?
However, common to all ROMS, no video calling, old calculator, speed dial messed up (some work and some don't), wireless connection bubble missing (yes you can install a cab but I don't want to do that).
<Mind you, contrary to other reports, I never had any freezes with any rom.
The thing that attracts me is HTML in email, High resolution mode in explorer, better remote desktop connectivity.
So I thhink I am sticking with DarkForce ROM, so far so good.
Thx
There is quite obviously an issue with ALL ROMs except the original 5.2.318 with regard to VoIP and the Wizards integrated speakers. I would have thought VoIP was one of the major attractions of WM6 and I can't believe everyone who is using it is using a BT headset permanently. However it seems to me that there is a distinct lack of enthusiasm for getting this working in the newer Wizard ROMs or have I missed something
I need VoIP (& L2TP/IPSec...) to work reliably, I also want a recent ROM for the speed and because it's newer (don't reply with 'just downgrade to 5.2.318...').
Is anyone working on fixing the VoIP & Speaker issues with the latest ROMs? (please)
Andy
after your PM, i'm really listed your issue with others, i have many foundations in VoIP differences between .318 build and others (2 of them we tested them together).
there are two roms comming soon (1437 build and 1908 build), test them and report please to try more.
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there are two roms comming soon (1437 build and 1908 build), test them and report please to try more.
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Do I understand it well that you are working also on the build 1908?
I was a bit dissapointed that you announced using 1437 for future...
Well, I understand that stability is the most important (so far I think that TNT 4 was the best ROM), but I would like to try a higher build from somebody who really tries to fix things...
From what I read I am not very satisfied with 1908 ROMs available (quite a few complains about bugs).
Mirek
mirekluza said:
Do I understand it well that you are working also on the build 1908?
I was a bit dissapointed that you announced using 1437 for future...
Well, I understand that stability is the most important (so far I think that TNT 4 was the best ROM), but I would like to try a higher build from somebody who really tries to fix things...
From what I read I am not very satisfied with 1908 ROMs available (quite a few complains about bugs).
Mirek
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yes, i'm working on both.
i think i will release them at the same day.
1908 build has many of fixes, but it wasn't very compatible with wizard drivers, i'm at the last touches with the drivers.
I think until a post appears with a title like:
New Microsoft RIL & HTC Wizard Audio driver update to support VoIP
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Then VoIP is going to be a problem in all ROMs later than the 5.2.318 build. My understanding is there is an issue with the Wizards audio driver and that it doesn't interface with the M$ RIL correctly? correct me if I'm wrong?
Does anyone know how we could modify the driver to work with the latest M$ RIL?
Andy
p.s. can we keep this thread on topic as there are hundreds of others dealing with the latest builds and custom ROMs, I wanted this to open up a discussion regarding why VoIP doesn't work with the Wizards integrated speaker and how we can resolve this.
ADB100 said:
I think until a post appears with a title like:
Then VoIP is going to be a problem in all ROMs later than the 5.2.318 build. My understanding is there is an issue with the Wizards audio driver and that it doesn't interface with the M$ RIL correctly? correct me if I'm wrong?
Does anyone know how we could modify the driver to work with the latest M$ RIL?
Andy
p.s. can we keep this thread on topic as there are hundred of others dealing with the latest builds and custom ROMs, I wanted this to open up a discussion regarding why VoIP doesn't work with the Wizards integrated speaker and how we can resolve this.
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on the next releasing, i used exactly the same drivers of 318 build (some roms used as files, but this time used as modules), so if something fails because of drivers, it should be fixed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950
jwzg said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950
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No, I know how to get VoIP working, the issue is with the latest ROM builds the VoIP audio is not routed to the Wizards integrated speakers (either the Phone speaker or the Stereo speakers).
My understanding is the M$ RIL (Radio Interface Layer) has changed considerably in the latest builds and the HTC Audio Driver has not been updated so does not interface correctly with this RIL. Therefore the drivers from the 5.2.318 build are not going to solve the issue. Correct me if I am wrong here, but this is how I understood the issue?
Andy
That thread covers a plethora of issues. Having read through most of it, I believe this was a problem that may have been addressed earlier, but not solved. I would put out some feelers with Sleuth255 and eluth and see what you come up with and tie your feedback into this thread. I'd be willing to help, it's just that I've lost interest with WM6 since I've been running AKU3.3 on my device and had no hiccups, and I'm also using my device very heavily in my new job.
Still getting nowhere............
I have asked several people on here and there seems to be no resolution to this fundamental issue
I still see everyone including VoIP (or providing a link to an 'add-on') in their builds of ROM's based on 5.2.1437 or later, yet it doesn't work
If anyone has any updates to this then please post them.
Andy
ADB100 said:
I have asked several people on here and there seems to be no resolution to this fundamental issue
I still see everyone including VoIP (or providing a link to an 'add-on') in their builds of ROM's based on 5.2.1437 or later, yet it doesn't work
If anyone has any updates to this then please post them.
Andy
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the fastest way to fix this is to learn how to cook, then i will give many of possible fixes, and i'm sure you will solve it.
its very simple to learn how to cook, but of course if you have a time.
its right said:
the fastest way to fix this is to learn how to cook, then i will give many of possible fixes, and i'm sure you will solve it.
its very simple to learn how to cook, but of course if you have a time.
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I can and have cooked many ROMs. The ROM you posted previously as a test would not work as I said in the thread. I did not want to waste time extracting this as the VoIP components you posted to test with I have already tested and they don't work. If you have some alternatives then please let me know.
I currently have a kitchen that I have modified based around WhiteRat's 5.2.1437 Base. I have VoIP integrated into this, however with all ROM's created from this the fundamental issue remains - no sound from the onboard speakers when using VoIP I assume there are no differences between your 5.2.1437 Base and WhiteRat's since you both have rebased drivers based on the original 5.2.318 ROM.
Andy
ADB100 said:
I can and have cooked many ROMs. The ROM you posted previously as a test would not work as I said in the thread. I did not want to waste time extracting this as the VoIP components you posted to test with I have already tested and they don't work. If you have some alternatives then please let me know.
Andy
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ok, we will play with SYS folder, you have to get 318 full kitchen (which work with you), then we will start with replacing some packages on the SYS folder, the most important Phone folders, then shell folder, then OS folder, and after every change test it if it worked or not.
ADB100 said:
I currently have a kitchen that I have modified based around WhiteRat's 5.2.1437 Base. I have VoIP integrated into this, however with all ROM's created from this the fundamental issue remains - no sound from the onboard speakers when using VoIP I assume there are no differences between your 5.2.1437 Base and WhiteRat's since you both have rebased drivers based on the original 5.2.318 ROM.
Andy
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as you said you can extract, then extract that and open OEM Drivers for the both, what do you notice??, and also there are many issues has been solved. I know he worked hard, but itsn't mean they are the same .
waiting for your tests and hope you will fix it.
I have Rom TNT5, and i can make calls with my voip provider (voipcheap) when I'm connect with wifi.
I can connect internet by activsync (no wifi, no gprs).
Can i use VOIP by activesync? or i must connect by wifi??
ftomas said:
I have Rom TNT5, and i can make calls with my voip provider (voipcheap) when I'm connect with wifi.
I can connect internet by activsync (no wifi, no gprs).
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Hi, I have tried TNT5 and VoIP appears to work, however when I make a VoIP call there is no audio via the integrated speaker. If I use a BT Headset I can hear the audio but never from the speaker, this works with the older 5.2.318 based ROM's. Can you give me more details of what settings you use and whether you have a G4 or G3 Wizard?
I am going to extract its rights 'Professional' 5.2.1437 ROM and see where it leads me.......
Can i use VOIP by activesync? or i must connect by wifi??
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I don't think so, when I leave my WiFi connected and then connect the USB for ActiveSync the Internet Calling goes to 'No Service'. I think this is by design, however I could be wrong?
Andy
Hi, I have tried TNT5 and VoIP appears to work, however when I make a VoIP call there is no audio via the integrated speaker. If I use a BT Headset I can hear the audio but never from the speaker, this works with the older 5.2.318 based ROM's. Can you give me more details of what settings you use and whether you have a G4 or G3 Wizard?
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Hi,
I have a wizard G3, TNT 5 Professional + HTC Home
Install this 2 files:
voip cab from post#4
Setup_voip 0.3.cab from post 1
Run the setup voip with this settings:
Provider: Voipcheap
My user end password
Registrar address: sip.voipcheap.com port: 5060 UDP
Sip proxy: sip.voipcheap.com port: 5060 UDP
URI address: the program wrote it
Thats all
ftomas said:
Hi,
I have a wizard G3, TNT 5 Professional + HTC Home
Install this 2 files:
voip cab from post#4
Setup_voip 0.3.cab from post 1
Run the setup voip with this settings:
Provider: Voipcheap
My user end password
Registrar address: sip.voipcheap.com port: 5060 UDP
Sip proxy: sip.voipcheap.com port: 5060 UDP
URI address: the program wrote it
Thats all
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is this will fix the issue which you can't hear the sound through the speaker!!!
i thought so....
because when i made my first try i hear the other person...
but was only that time... now i can't hear anymore
maybe i was dreaming
i gave the possible solves, i hope someone works on.
ftomas said:
i thought so....
because when i made my first try i hear the other person...
but was only that time... now i can't hear anymore
maybe i was dreaming
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Hmm, I was getting all excited for a minute there.......
I think the HTC Wizard is great and I love the ability to be able to extract and rebuild ROMs to my liking However I think it has peaked and the cracks are now beginning to show (IMO ). WM6 was only ever a test on this device and M$ & HTC have long stopped developing for it. The 'leaked' ROM (5.2.318) contained the most recent hardware drivers and have never been updated, however Windows Mobile 6 has moved on somewhat, which I feel is now leading to some compatibility issues - for me the most important are the integrated VoIP client & 'real' VPN (L2TP/IPSec and NOT PPTP). Plus the Wizard is now quite old - relatively poor camera compared to more recent PDA Phones, size - it's quite big, again compared to more recent offerings.
Unfortunately this is making me look at alternatives However I need certain key things:
1. Windows Mobile 6
2. WiFi 802.11G
3. Integrated VoIP must work and be stable
4. L2TP/IPSec VPN must work and be stable
5. Touch Screen & Pull-Out Keyboard
6. Camera 2MP or more
7. Bluetooth (for hands-free headset)
8. Slimmer/Smaller than the Wizard?
I would also really like the ability to extract and rebuild ROMs as I do with the Wizard.
Really I just want an updated Wizard that natively has WM6 and VoIP & L2TP/IPSec work....
What are the best options?
Andy
(I asked a similar question in the General forum, but I think I might get more responses on here from people who have already taken the plunge...)
try the hermes and or kaizer
ANTC said:
try the hermes and or kaizer
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Does it have all the features I listed?
ADB100 said:
Does it have all the features I listed?
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yes its a upgrade from the Wizard 3G, faster processer, stock WM6 ect..
Does anyone want to test wm6.1 professional for VOX?
If you are, you will have to write me a message
Thanks
professional on Vox?
I know hacks exist but is working for real ?
A little bit more info and serious please!
There was a test which didnt start
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Here is test version
1.WM 6.1 Professional
CE OS 5.2.19209 (Build 19209 .1.0.2)
2.Deleted melodies
3.Only english mui, other was missed
This is a TEST VERSION!
But you cant brik your device because its only OS and other was deleted (IPL,Splash,SPL,Radio)
You must do the Super CID and uspl unlock before flashing ROM
DOWNLOAD
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This rom is not compatible on Vox - device: BRE100 CID: QTEC Z12 version 1.43.706... this is not Vox, i'm tested
ok, ill put next rom
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ok, ill put next rom
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This sounds great, would love to see some screen shots in the first post to see what it looks like.
Roland
Yea, I'd like to see here more info and some screenshots.. I don't believe that this is possible, because of complete different hardware.. Being a little sceptic.
I'm not admired that there's a possibility of using WM pro in the VOX...you have something similar on the Startrek (QTEK 8500): link
I will surely like to test it .
But I need to know if this will really work? If you have the ROM and test on your VOX/710, please post some images and scribe a little description about, so that we can analyze before we proceed to test
Sounds very interesting!
They have got WM6.1 Professional ported to the Wings from the Kizer in the Wings forum, maybe that's the place to ask for advice in porting WM6.1 Professional to the Vox http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389089
Roland
Pro..
Keep cool, i am not finished with this...and there are no helpfull posts within...
But how do you think to use it without touchscreen?
It will be far from user friendly...
Oh my...believe me, it is useable.
First;
A POCKET PC IS NOT ONLY HIS TOUCHSCREEN!!!
AND A SMARTPHONE IS NOT ONLY A POCKETCAMERA....or anything else than a SmartPhone.
The PRO OS works well on SP, the OS is nearly useable like Standart, (no big differences, you can navigate with dpad+softkeys on ppc, too...)
It is like a PPC with the lack of a Touchscreen, you can carry most of the PPC apps you love,but not be able to install on your Standart-SP...
Most SP-Apps wont install,because there are differences in some Cab-Configs, but most of them works well......and the VOX/WINGS got a qwerty/z Keypad...ideal to use as SIP..
Ive a StarTrak and a Tornado, both are running PRO, i like it, sure, its not useable like a PPC with Touchscreen, but nice to have.
AND DONT FORGET;Smartphones are mostly similar with the PPCHardware (exept the Touchscreen, stop buggin me)
I really hope you get it working sounds great.
especially since I miss one major feature in wm6(.1) standard: WIFI proxy.
it's not possible (as far as I know) to use an http proxy on your wifi connection.. which is a pitty.
if you get it working, I'll most likely install it
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Oh my...believe me, it is useable.
First;
A POCKET PC IS NOT ONLY HIS TOUCHSCREEN!!!
AND A SMARTPHONE IS NOT ONLY A POCKETCAMERA....or anything else than a SmartPhone.
The PRO OS works well on SP, the OS is nearly useable like Standart, (no big differences, you can navigate with dpad+softkeys on ppc, too...)
It is like a PPC with the lack of a Touchscreen, you can carry most of the PPC apps you love,but not be able to install on your Standart-SP...
Most SP-Apps wont install,because there are differences in some Cab-Configs, but most of them works well......and the VOX/WINGS got a qwerty/z Keypad...ideal to use as SIP..
Ive a StarTrak and a Tornado, both are running PRO, i like it, sure, its not useable like a PPC with Touchscreen, but nice to have.
AND DONT FORGET;Smartphones are mostly similar with the PPCHardware (exept the Touchscreen, stop buggin me)
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There is also Fake Curser that will do the job of the stylus/ finger on a touch screen to close apps and to change to different tabs in apps.
This sounds very prommising if it can be pulled off.
Rioland
You should be able to boot a Professional from the HTC Wizard since they have the very same hardware, but I don't know if the lcd driver would work.
Anyway, you should know, the Omap 850 cpu has native support for touchscreen, if you can find where the pins connect, you could possibly adapt it (assuming you can find a 2.4" 4 wire touch panel).
Another option would be using the mini-usb jack. The cpu has both client and host side usb support. If it's mapped to the connector, and you can make windows put the usb in host mode you can connect a mouse, touchscreen or whatever you want and use it from there (if you get external power to the device you are connecting)
My vox is still under repair (3rd week already) so cannot test anything yet sorry
i would love to try it...
How long will it be until we see the first test version of this ROM?
Roland