so you guys. vote which one you think is better at the moment.
and why?
Well you know which way I'm going to vote
Phil
i know you do. just trying to see what the users think about them, now that we have more than one.
And a tie?
I am using the last version of challhsu with the extras of Phil. I like much the last one of challsu, but it has much memory occupied with the Chinese sources that I do not need. In addition, she is slower in the starting and seems less fluid (at least when installing to it xt9 and other applications in English or Spanish).
I like the one of Phil, but for me it has a very important problem: It does not have services STK and I need them for my dual sim. If it corrects this and some other cochair in the beta version, insurance that I change me her to save memory.
And…
Very many thanks to both equipment for the excellent made work and to share it with the community.
It does have STK services i think.... Check the /Windows/ folder, I may have forgotten it while writing initflashfiles.dat
Phil
jm012a9749 said:
It does have STK services i think.... Check the /Windows/ folder, I may have forgotten it while writing initflashfiles.dat
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Now I have the challhsu rom. And I will hope to your new beta version to return to change (too many flashes in these days).
The 5 days that I walked with your ROM, I made a lot of softresets and searches by “stk” in the registry and in archives, but did not even appear to me nothing. It is certain that I did not look for "initflashfiles.dat", but as I did not find anything, and nobody responded here, I thought that you did not give importance to it. Surely that in the beta version, you will remember. And you will recover a faithful supporter. (Just in case, I also remembered you it here ).
Greetings and spirit.
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so you guys. vote which one you think is better at the moment.
and why?
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I'm sorry to see that some are taking this as a competition. :-(
Both ROMs are result of a huge personal effort of their creators, and both deserve our deepest respect and support.
Let's please take it in a more colaborative way. Everybody will bennefit from the shared knowlege from these "masters".
Cheers for challhsu and Phil! ;-)
Keep the good work guys. Thank you for both your effort.
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I'm sorry to see that some are taking this as a competition. :-(
Both ROMs are result of a huge personal effort of their creators, and both deserve our deepest respect and support.
Let's please take it in a more colaborative way. Everybody will bennefit from the shared knowlege from these "masters".
Cheers for challhsu and Phil! ;-)
Keep the good work guys. Thank you for both your effort.
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Ditto! Amen brother.
I appreciate the courtesy and the effort of good souls from this forum who sacrifice their precious time for the rest of us. Thank you very much guys (and maybe gals ;-))! Well done!
that would be a good idea! do both of the creators think that a collaboration between them would help bring out even better roms and even faster?
I don't think we would/could create a ROM together (timezones etc) but I do think that us sharing idea's etc between us will benefit everybody as a whole. If challhsu asked me for advice on how to do something i would gladly share with them, doesn't cost me anything, and in the end, we all benefit
Phil
There is no point creating this topic, it depends on users preference, as both phi l and challhsu continue to develop their ROM, it would just get better and better.
However, I truly appreaciate both of them for their hardwork. To me, both you guys are the best. No one is better than the other
Yea, both Guys (or teams) are nice...and do a good work.And more Developers =>more Alternatives...and everybody have different needings.
Still waiting for the Ultimative SuperPerfectRom for SmartPhone... but i dont know how it looks & feel..
Sancta Maria Mater Patientiae (ma quantae patientiae)
…ora pro nobis…
To seeing.
Nobody is going to leave littel morals advices and is going to think freely on which it seems to him each ROM, the comparative improvements that would implement and advantages of each one?
If saints us allows it, to me it would enchant to me to be able to follow a testing debate “collaborative” and contrasts between the two roms that allows:
- To improve both.
- To help to decide as will be more effective for the new people whom they wish to change the ROM or, even, for us when our necessities change.
- To generate different rom versions, adapted to the most frequent necessities (by profiles?).
- To help both teams to take the best decisions.
- And a long list of others of advantages.
Of course, if someone feels offended, that does not go this way. That here we are all very thanked for to both equipment and nothing else far from our intention that “to judge them”.
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It does have STK services i think.... Check the /Windows/ folder, I may have forgotten it while writing initflashfiles.dat
Phil
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I reflash my phone with your alpha rom and check for STK Services and I confirm that it isn't
Related
I realized, that some people are responsible for making impossible possible:
-Faria,
-mUn,
-these, who i can't name.
Thank you for making all these Wizard miracles possible.
Peace, xdadev, peace.
-vijay555,
-zoki,
-anichillus,
-mrfrazzz,
-mattk_r,
-nottoosmart,
- and many more.
You made Wizard machine better, than ever.
Just don't work for masses, work for better wizard.
Admins are free to delete, or move that topic, just need to say thing.
nothin said:
I realized, that some people are responsible for making impossible possible:
-Faria,
-mUn,
-these, who i can't name.
Thank you for making all these Wizard miracles possible.
Peace, xdadev, peace.
-vijay555,
-zoki,
-anichillus,
-mrfrazzz,
-mattk_r,
-nottoosmart,
- and many more.
You made Wizard machine better, than ever.
Just don't work for masses, work for better wizard.
Admins are free to delete, or move that topic, just need to say thing.
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Any thing in special made you posted this???
I agree with you nothin.
Because all of this guys spend a lot of time developing and fixing stuff that takes a lot of their precious time. So i think its pretty fair to have a thread to post our thanks.
Many of us cant give a donation. But we can at least leave a word or thanks to out good friends.
Best regards!!
And quoting nothin thanks for "make possible the impossible"
i take this as a goodbye post..
join date
Check our his join date
hi to all
i would like to say that: i finally ported a real build after getting some instructions in porting the roms from a device to another.
the good thing is that i fixed the known issues about the phone, like if you call a busy number you will get busy tone and the phone shows busy instead of showing connected , also when you recieve a waiting call and you didn't answere that you get missed call instead of recieved call, these things will know them if you use any other builds like 1437, 1620 and 318(the official one).
all my roms cooked using old builds because of these issues, thats why i started working and learning about porting. (i will never use any other cooks like 1437 or 1620 and you know for that with the releasing)
the new build will be exclusivly for TNT users (no need for write the causes)
the new TNT (5.0) will be released in 10 days (i hope )
So you don't plan on releasing this in a kitchen?
If not the title is misleading, because it is not 'good news for all wizard users'. It would only be good news for the people who use your rom, which would be a small percentage of all wizard users.
Please release this in a kitchen so the fixes will reach more people, whether it is through people creating their own rom or using a cooks rom who used your kitchen.
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So you don't plan on releasing this in a kitchen?
If not the title is misleading, because it is not 'good news for all wizard users'. It would only be good news for the people who use your rom, which would be a small percentage of all wizard users.
Please release this in a kitchen so the fixes will reach more people, whether it is through people creating their own rom or using a cooks rom who used your kitchen.
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sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
WOOT!!!!
its right said:
sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
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FANTASTIC News!!!! I hope you use the compressed and tested Office 2007 so we can get goodies like BT DUN along with Internet Sharing in the roms. I think including the PP change files would solve alot of the "gotta upload 5 different PP versions" and ease your distrobution headaches.
I personally dont care for the "touch" look at all. Its Flat and lifeless. I use programs I paid for such as Ilauncher, Pocket Breeze, and Resco for my Today layout.
I do like the touch scrolling but thats about it.
I do wish there was a way of including the WeatherPanel & WP-Pilot, but its rather large with all the added icons, unless we boot out defaults and just include the chameleon-240 and Yahoo weather icons aka making those the defaults.
I love your roms, great selection of included apps.
Waiting with baited breath,
A Die-Hard Fan.
RevAtB said:
FANTASTIC News!!!! I hope you use the compressed and tested Office 2007 so we can get goodies like BT DUN along with Internet Sharing in the roms. I think including the PP change files would solve alot of the "gotta upload 5 different PP versions" and ease your distrobution headaches.
I personally dont care for the "touch" look at all. Its Flat and lifeless. I use programs I paid for such as Ilauncher, Pocket Breeze, and Resco for my Today layout.
I do like the touch scrolling but thats about it.
I do wish there was a way of including the WeatherPanel & WP-Pilot, but its rather large with all the added icons, unless we boot out defaults and just include the chameleon-240 and Yahoo weather icons aka making those the defaults.
I love your roms, great selection of included apps.
Waiting with baited breath,
A Die-Hard Fan.
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good notes bro, about compressions i don't like to compress any file, compressions sure will give some of issues if you don't noted now you note later, but give more explain for BT DUN
its right said:
sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
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Thanks for helping the community.
I hope you get the pat on the back that you are looking for.
jruser said:
Thanks for helping the community.
I hope you get the pat on the back that you are looking for.
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i'm looking for crediting the work for every one helped and worked very hard for any part of cooking, go to the most of rom threads and check if they credit something to anyone else or not!! is it mean the rom cooker did all the work hemself !!!
I know exacly what its right is saying... now we are starting to see button free activation of the cube in more and more roms and the HTC 4.11 camera is in many roms but do you see my name anywhere? NO
gullum said:
I know exacly what its right is saying... now we are starting to see button free activation of the cube in more and more roms and the HTC 4.11 camera is in many roms but do you see my name anywhere? NO
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this thing will kill the extractor efforts to do any new working
these thing will never be full understaing till you see someone used your works w/o credits, for example dr.yar and winxplore i never saw them on any rom, i did the package and of course i lost a lot of time to looking for usefull apps, finally you will see other people used them as he did it himself.
Thank you, its right!
You make excellent ROMs and I am looking forward to this next one!
@its right, many people who gives credit i think should be allowed via PMs, i say. I mean if we don't share then basically there will be no community. I'd say can you can give kitchen to ppl who gives out credit like mfraaz, myself and alot others. As far as i go, i don't release my cook anymore because alot of other pros like you and mfrazz have em out. I keep it for myself because of the appz i like in there. Anyways do take in consideration.
Perhaps those whose work has been stolen or used without permission could address offending members via PM. Alternatively those whose work was stolen or used without permission might like to consider publicly naming and shaming the offenders.
Watermarking your work is another method that may reduce the incidence of stolen work. Furthermore when members release something perhaps they could advise that permission needs to be granted before incorporating their work into other projects. I suppose at the height of anti-pirating measures and also at the height of complexity remains the incorporation of activation codes, but I'd hope this forum never degrades to the point of needing this counter-measure.
I'm not going to remind you all that most of the information associated with your devices and their operating systems should be freely available and distributed information. Well....not yet anyway.
@its right
All the best and Good Luck with your release
peter petrelli said:
Perhaps those whose work has been stolen or used without permission could address offending members via PM. Alternatively those whose work was stolen or used without permission might like to consider publicly naming and shaming the offenders.
Watermarking your work is another method that may reduce the incidence of stolen work. Furthermore when members release something perhaps they could advise that permission needs to be granted before incorporating their work into other projects. I suppose at the height of anti-pirating measures and also at the height of complexity remains the incorporation of activation codes, but I'd hope this forum never degrades to the point of needing this counter-measure.
I'm not going to remind you all that most of the information associated with your devices and their operating systems should be freely available and distributed information. Well....not yet anyway.
@its right
All the best and Good Luck with your release
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Its not anti-piracy. The people that release these roms hold no copyright in them whatsoever.
I think people should release stuff to the community with the expectation that it will be used and re-used if it is worth it (like mUn's releases). People expecting credit for software they did not write are releasing for the wrong reasons.
Microsoft and HTC own most of the copyrights, yet people want credit for ripping off their software.
There are a few people around here who wrote tools and developed the methods that are used for dumping and porting roms. Most all other 'cooks' do nothing but use these tools and methods, create a few OEM packages, and change a few registry entries.
EDIT: I'll stop posting now and let this thread serve its original purpose.
jruser said:
Its not anti-piracy. The people that release these roms hold no copyright in them whatsoever.
I think people should release stuff to the community with the expectation that it will be used and re-used if it is worth it (like mUn's releases). People expecting credit for software they did not write are releasing for the wrong reasons.
Microsoft and HTC own most of the copyrights, yet people want credit for ripping off their software.
There are a few people around here who wrote tools and developed the methods that are used for dumping and porting roms. Most all other 'cooks' do nothing but use these tools and methods, create a few OEM packages, and change a few registry entries.
EDIT: I'll stop posting now and let this thread serve its original purpose.
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the purpose started with the starting of this thread bro, its discussion.
of course microsoft and HTC have all credits w/o writing the credits.
Looking foreward to it...Its Right
Credit
Sorry for saying this but not releasing the kitchen because of not giving credits is bull ****, why?? if only 1 freak don't give credit's to witherat is not a reason not to releae a kitchen . I don't see you give credit to microsoft for suppling you the rom what will they say???
But nice work if you do it and will release it.
its right said:
the new TNT (5.0) will be released in 10 days (i hope )
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Excellent. I am a happy user of TNT 4.0 (because of most of other ROMs having problems with registering missed calls properly when data connection is active).
Thank you for the great work.
IMHO it would be good to release the all info for community (there will be always people stealing other people work, it is just reality), but if you do not want to do it, I understand...
Being quite happy with TNT, I do not need kitchen personally.
Mirek
This is turning into the PSP community in which the latest custom firmware (similar to the ROMs here) was encrypted and had a check placed to brick the PSP of anyone that went to a specific website which had stolen work in the past - no one deserves a bricked device and it won't be long before the attitude here will be the same...
can't wait for this release.... TNT 4 is clearly one of the best ROMs out there.
I'll state first I don't agree with the whole "I'm not gonna share because you might not give me credit" however since he did all the work porting it, then really he's free to do whatever he chooses.
That being said...don't most of the current kitchen's allow you to take a released rom and extract it directly to use as a base? Doesn't that make the whole "I'm not gonna release" issue moot?
*I have not cooked a rom so I'm asking based on posts I've read.*
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this, but i felt the need to say it: as imperfect as it is, with all our noobs, experienced users, rom cooking just for the fun of it, donations (hell, smb was willing to donate even a whole kaiser!!), advices for free, fun all around, helpful persons willing to help just because we share a common passion...
... all these mean so much to me and in my eyes they are a lot more beautiful than the world we see everyday.
dont know exactly why i had to say this, but please go on and keep it as such. also, thanks to all of you for putting your little brick at the foundation of a beautiful building!
as smb was saying in another post, love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
Although it's a bit twee, I have to agree.
The concept of developers & users sharing ideas and code and actually HELPING each other in return for donations to the level you can afford is a fantastic concept - and one that Microsoft would do well to learn from (amongst others).
The end result is everyone is MUCH happier and the product is much better. The only problem is I suspect nobody on here could make a living from it...
I'm feeling all teary eyed now. But you guys & gals are right. Group hug.
Let's all sing together now.
Koom By Ya...... why am I the only one singing?
Sorry....
I was too busy reaching for the kleenex box
hehe... bunch of nerds... really!!... get all hot and flustered at the idea of a new rom or some cab file... it's so sweet...
isn't there a restaurant in London with no prices on the menu but where patrons pay what they believe the meal is worth? Remember hearing about it years ago. Wonder if they still in business.
Yeah there are some talented cooks/programmers on this site. It's a wonderful site for owners of pda's looking for a little doctoring of their phones and I wish xda-developers.com all the best in the future...
Because...
ionutz6 said:
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this...
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...you fell down and cracked your head ?
Just kidding mate
I cracked my screen last night.... was thinking of having a service for my phone.... bagpipes and everything... let me know if you guys will be coming.
What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
Oh...
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What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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...you just hurt my feelings...
I agree
ionutz6 said:
love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
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I am totaly Agree, specialy If you post something, if it is already posted, there is alot of love around...Yeah its the spring
i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
its not even about money or anything, its about people. just hearing that laurentius spent one whole day (9am - 12pm) to tweak a new rom for us, for you, for anybody, made me think that passion is everything, or anyway a lot more than what people are forced to do for a living.
ive been reading this forum for over 2 years now and remember a lot of things, funny posts, things that, together with the great pieces of software developed, made my day now and then. thank ya all for this!
as you say, this is a silly thread and should under no circumstances stay especially here under the rom development section. kyphur, related to a discussion from laurentius new diamond rom thread, feel free to delete all these.
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i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
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as most of you probably, i am user on different forums as well. although some amount of flaming is present here as well, it is under no circumstances comparable to things happening on other sites and im grateful to all of you for this.
maybe we should have the national hymn of xdadev, for example Kombaya, somewhere to be downloaded or at least to be visible.
Me too!
Just wanted to add my agreement and appreciation for all that is offered from xda and the people that make it all work. A heart felt "Thank you very much!"
Delete this thread? NEVER...
I'll just move it to someplace more appropriate (but I did leave a perm redirect so it's always hooked to Kaiser Rom Dev)...
True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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Agreed, if I were head of marketing for HTC I would pay Dutty (amongst others) to continue cooking roms for our devices.
OMG, sensitive nerds! *turns around and sneaks away*
Just to also add few thoughts on this forum.
This year I bought my first ever PDA, and had to go to considerable trouble to have it delivered here. In a country where the concept of customer support is not yet in existence, and with thousand noob questions, this forum has provided all the help that I needed. So, this forum means a lot to people like me who have no access to official customer support services or other facilities available elsewhere.
My only regret is that as yet, I am unable to more actively contribute to the great community here.
Thanks XDA developers and keep it up.
Well its 2 July 2008, its a really hot day (here in Greece) and I am tired of flashing more and more ROMS to my UNI. It's not only flashing but the boring procedure of installing software. If you see the other devices forum, the people there more happy with the releases (just see the small brother of our UNI, wizard (qtek9100 etc) it has many roms that are years after Universal roms. We have the problem that we have VGA screen, but I thing we can do smth better.
Can we make a team of donators (and testers both) and invite any cooker that will make a GREAT rom for everyone????
example:
If 50 users donate 20$ each = 1000$ = a good motive for cookers.
The name of the rom would be UCP (Universal Conspiracy Project) + the name of the cooker/team.
I 'm waiting your opinion and ........members
Up the UNIVERSAL
makiss78 said:
Well its 2 July 2008, its a really hot day (here in Greece) and I am tired of flashing more and more ROMS to my UNI. It's not only flashing but the boring procedure of installing software. If you see the other devices forum, the people there more happy with the releases (just see the small brother of our UNI, wizard (qtek9100 etc) it has many roms that are years after Universal roms. We have the problem that we have VGA screen, but I thing we can do smth better.
Can we make a team of donators (and testers both) and invite any cooker that will make a GREAT rom for everyone????
example:
If 50 users donate 20$ each = 1000$ = a good motive for cookers.
The name of the rom would be UCP (Universal Conspiracy Project) + the name of the cooker/team.
I 'm waiting your opinion and ........members
Up the UNIVERSAL
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1) It wouldn't be good, the members would be put on randsom..cookers could then take advantage to mint money. I am a cooker and I can tell you that I wouldnt suggest it though I'm sure no one minds "free money".
2) if you want a great rom..contact a cooker and offer to pay them directly (you'll get through cheaper) - I'm honestly saying this, because this sort of thing happened (Ransom) for the Athena Project..no names or targets, but everything revolved around money.
3) You could go with that if you really want to though...but if flashing is the issue you could stick to a single rom and just wait...the time frame waiting on one cooker (eg. Tomal since you use his roms alot), and let him cook at his pace. If there are multiple cookers together (cartel) it will take much longer (with internal issues as well). Refer to the Athena Project....
Just my opinion since I saw alot of stuff happen on other projects...which wouldn't mind repeating here as well if we "PAID". I know its more like a contribution but once you make it clear you're going to pay or "offer money" for development...the idea of a community like xda begins to break and mess up...thats only going to make cookers and others expect to be paid for releases - if not the Universal forum the entire board and all the threads here...Cookers outside universal will follow a similar trend...the reason I started cooking was not to bother people with too many flashses but rather to design new roms and cook new things and offer to the community...
We're already paying Microsoft ( & HTC) a great deal....
I love the idea of working together on a project..but when you add money...though for the BEST INTENTIONS...they cause lots of problems..
Best Regards,
No Rom Bountys
I have to agree.
This is not the place to offer money for cooking.
Developers are here because they enjoy what they do, and enjoy sharing it with the community. Donations are fine, but offering to pay for Dev time will cause so many problems.
The main issue, and one of the reasons I have been so quiet with Rom Development for so long is that there are many users on this forum now, who seem to think they have a right to demand things from a Developer, and go as far as flaming a Developers work.
Never forget what this site was created for, for like minded "Developers" to get together to work on reverse engineering the software and improving the use, functionality and features of their devices.
There are far too many users here, who can not spend a bit of their own time reading up on the information provided (free of charge) that gives them greater knowledge and understanding of their device, it's functions and how to use the software available here.
Unfortunately the site has become full of demanding people who want a perfect Rom, exactly the way they think it should be done, and so they demand and criticise the Developers, bugging them in their threads and requesting time and time again, functionality that is not important to the particular Developer that they are targeting. This only leads to one thing, the Developers gets annoyed, loses interest and moves on to another forum or stops Developing altogether.
Feedback from users is great on the work that we do, the site would be useless without user feedback, but all said and done, we are all here to better our knowledge and help others resolve their problems.
We do not provide a software customisation and "help me un brick my device, because I can't be assed to read the Wiki" service.
All in all if you wish to have a Rom customised to your own needs and are willing to pay for it, them PM one of the senior Developers who's been around for a while and ask politely if they would be interested in doing so for you. I doubt you would get much response though as most of us do it for the community, not the individual.
There are plenty of people who sell roms on Ebay, perhaps you could ask them too. (although most of what they sell has been hijacked from here)
All the Developers here, share ideas and information on bugfixes, tweaks and porting issues, that's the idea of the community.
Rant over.
Cheers,
Beasty
I also agree it is a bad idea to let the 'money' element come into the community. I have personally seen devs and testers get burned because things went sore cause of 'immature testers/users' or 'deva-devs' who think they are the best and don't open up to the idea of sharing for the common good.
At the end of the day it really boils done to what motivates a person to do what they do. Allow me to be the first to say that this board is one of the best on the WEB...I consider it one of my virtual homes because I have made a few friends alone the way and learned a lot of crap too
I donate because I want to help, that's my way of saying to the community I appreciate all the 'love' and keep up the good work. Also, because it is my 'home' I want to see it improve. I have also engaged a few 'devs' direct when I wanted a particular cab built or a rom tweaked...so maybe you can do that (but of course manners maketh the man) however you need to show respect and not come off as a jerk
Cheers...
Youmeus
Agree!
Hi
I´m just a simple user, but since I got to this fantastic forum I´ve tried to READ, LEARN & RESPECT others people hard work for the UNI´s.
I think ROM devs have a lot of patience on all of us that only demmand things from them, if in some point they get tired of all of us, this forum and our UNI´s would be death.
I kindly ask all normal and simple users as me to respect Devs not asking so many things but yes contributing with feedback to their important work.
Let´s keep moving forwards and with good energy!
Best to all
Gracias
i don't agree with that idea of paying the cookers. it is because i believe they cook out of their passion to share and to improve themselves, not to earn a living.
money cant buy their hard works........
makiss78 said:
Well its 2 July 2008, its a really hot day (here in Greece) and I am tired of flashing more and more ROMS to my UNI. It's not only flashing but the boring procedure of installing software. If you see the other devices forum, the people there more happy with the releases (just see the small brother of our UNI, wizard (qtek9100 etc) it has many roms that are years after Universal roms. We have the problem that we have VGA screen, but I thing we can do smth better.
Can we make a team of donators (and testers both) and invite any cooker that will make a GREAT rom for everyone????
example:
If 50 users donate 20$ each = 1000$ = a good motive for cookers.
The name of the rom would be UCP (Universal Conspiracy Project) + the name of the cooker/team.
I 'm waiting your opinion and ........members
Up the UNIVERSAL
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hmm, i don't believe if the cookers are motivated by money
i just believe that they are motivated by fun and sharing with others
money they got does not enough for their hard works and their knowledge has been sharing
honestly, i want make donation for them, for their fun shared for me
but, i never make donation for them, because i don't have any paypal account to make it possible
and, to appreciate what they have done
i never think that one ROM is better than the others, no ROM is best
because it has been developed by their fun and knowledge, to be shared to others
and, hey, sorry
if you don't like what they've done, just leave this forum
just take it or leave it, easy
alfa2005 said:
hmm, i don't believe if the cookers are motivated by money
i just believe that they are motivated by fun and sharing with others
money they got does not enough for their hard works and their knowledge has been sharing
honestly, i want make donation for them, for their fun shared for me
but, i never make donation for them, because i don't have any paypal account to make it possible
and, to appreciate what they have done
i never think that one ROM is better than the others, no ROM is best
because it has been developed by their fun and knowledge, to be shared to others
and, hey, sorry
if you don't like what they've done, just leave this forum
just take it or leave it, easy
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hey that was just my opinion, I didn't say smth about our cookers, and I 'm thankfull for their hard work.
I have more than 3 different ppc's (UNI,WIZARD,HIMA and htc3600) and I can make a comparison to htc's roms that is good working or not. BUT THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. The thought of my post is just for a competition of cookers and the money is an award for their work (and maybe a try from other device's cooker/developers). Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong.
Everyone have to say their thoughts without shouting and without offend ANYONE. Thats Democracy.
It's my decision If I leave or not this forum.
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...is just for a competition of cookers and the money is an award for their work (and maybe a try from other device's cooker/developers).
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i think that's the point of many of us here. There is no room for COMPETITION here. this site is built for each one of us to HELP each other, the developers/cookers learn from the feedbacks, the end-users benefit from the output of the cookers. if you want it to be like a CONTEST, cookers themselves will not share their ideas to other cookers. They will not help other developers since only one cooker will win in your "competition"...
i bought the Uni for profess. work -- but feel like a beta tester
hallo michalis031,
maybe good idea. I bought the Uni to earn money -- intended to help me to become more efficient.
Result?
- System (too) often hangs or reboots (no error messages!)
- active sync does not work properly (sometimes o.k., minutes later errors )
- callers often only hear my 30s-answering machine -- slow respond to incoming calls (!!)
... only to mention the most annoying subjects...
Who has better ideas to make this great little machine a real professional one?? I am ready to pay for excellent work -- and this is the only thing i expect to get.
makiss78 said:
Well its 2 July 2008, its a really hot day (here in Greece) and I am tired of flashing more and more ROMS to my UNI. It's not only flashing but the boring procedure of installing software. If you see the other devices forum, the people there more happy with the releases (just see the small brother of our UNI, wizard (qtek9100 etc) it has many roms that are years after Universal roms. We have the problem that we have VGA screen, but I thing we can do smth better.
Can we make a team of donators (and testers both) and invite any cooker that will make a GREAT rom for everyone????
example:
If 50 users donate 20$ each = 1000$ = a good motive for cookers.
The name of the rom would be UCP (Universal Conspiracy Project) + the name of the cooker/team.
I 'm waiting your opinion and ........members
Up the UNIVERSAL
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ulli99 said:
hallo michalis031,
maybe good idea. I bought the Uni to earn money -- intended to help me to become more efficient.
Result?
- System (too) often hangs or reboots (no error messages!)
- active sync does not work properly (sometimes o.k., minutes later errors )
- callers often only hear my 30s-answering machine -- slow respond to incoming calls (!!)
... only to mention the most annoying subjects...
Who has better ideas to make this great little machine a real professional one?? I am ready to pay for excellent work -- and this is the only thing i expect to get.
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Hi ulli99,
Tomal V7.7 is the answer to your question
Tomal V8.0 still under scrutinize.
Wish List
Opera 9.5 1123 (stable version)
Diamond CommManager
Diamond QWERTY & XT9 keyboards multi-language (the real ones!)
Diamond Large Menu/Large Title bar.
Diamond Volume control
Diamond Adobe Reader LE
Diamond MP3 Trimmer
Diamond RandomAccess (in Contacts)
Diamond Alerts/Ringtones
Cheers!
iamwin said:
i think that's the point of many of us here. There is no room for COMPETITION here. this site is built for each one of us to HELP each other, the developers/cookers learn from the feedbacks, the end-users benefit from the output of the cookers. if you want it to be like a CONTEST, cookers themselves will not share their ideas to other cookers. They will not help other developers since only one cooker will win in your "competition"...
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Very true.... right on the mark.
I have to agree with the majority on here, as a tinkerer I find that the forum is very expansive to those that are willing to read and not just post "help me unbrick my uni" posts.
If I had the techincal skills and time I would love to start cooking, but most of all I would do this for the good of the forum and not to line my own pockets. I hope I am right in asuming that the majority of cookers are profesional coders in another line of work and do this for the fun of the chalenge, this is very admirable.
Also the lack of finacial incentives and deadlines allows the dev's the chance to tweak and bug fix to the level that they wish and not just to get by with what they can do in the time space.
In reply to the post "I bought mine for business", I would say that you made a mistake to consider unlecking and adding new roms if you were to rely on the uni to help you earn money. I also got my 2 uni's for business, one is a test bed of software from this forum and my main phone / pda, the other is left as OEM just to be sure I have a totally working Uni.
Please dont push the dev's into not enjoying what they do best. Keep ROM's free, but if you wish to pay just give them a donation. Im sure they would thank you for it.
Dave.
Hello munkey_bwy,
I appreciate your opinion. Thx.
Bought a 2nd Uni with WM5, installed patches to add some missing WM6 functions, and even my 100+ programs. It runs with an acceptable speed. I am really happy.
Hi,
I see that we have many many roms and 2 types of Sapphire (32B and 32A)
Now I have an idea to help users to install and change rom easierly.
Please read all idea before replying. Some ideas relate to others.
1. All developer should make 2 choices : 32A rom or 32B rom
2. 32B rom have data/app_s. Running system application on flash memory is more stable and faster than running on ext partition sdcard
3. Recovery should have new feature : Wipe data except data/app_s
Amon_RA should add this feature in his recovery.
4. Developers should remove his own theme, 3rd application (which can download from market), moded application ... from rom, rom will be more stable and smaller
5. If developer want share his theme or moded application or add new feature, he should share extend update in an update_extend.zip on his topic. I suggest him to use 1 folder on sdcard and command *.sh file
If you used iPhone, you will see that moded FW of iPhone OS doesn't include theme, extend application (which can download from Appstore). Why can't we do that? I think almost people just want to find a stable rom without theme, without extend application
Some good ideas
+1 from me
Moar standardization pleez
Sounds like the OP is ill-informed, and wants an iPhone.
funbacon said:
4. Developers should remove his own theme, 3rd application (which can download from market), moded application ... from rom, rom will be more stable and smaller
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i've seen a few of these in the dream forum.
the developer releases the rom as a base package. ie. rom only, no (or very few customisations).
then add on packs are released to add 3rd party apps and customisations.
eg. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
this developer has released 4 different roms. each one comes as a base rom that is rooted, and each rom also then has an expansion pack.
themes are then installed as separate downloads.
the post is also very clearly laid out. i wish more developers took the time to create such understandable threads.
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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Good Say My friend
seems like a pretty simple request. but what was said earlier has merit as well, since it is really the developer's choice since its done for free.
but yeah, some sort of options like Enthomer is nice. But then again those updates made by AmonRa and Cyanogen is awesome as well. Fast, stable and useful.
Oh, and I strongly support the part on the way the threads are made. some are really easy to follow up on for change logs and stuff, some are messy.
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If you used iPhone, you will see that moded FW of iPhone OS doesn't include theme, extend application (which can download from Appstore). Why can't we do that? I think almost people just want to find a stable rom without theme, without extend application[/B]
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Search the board (and the Android Market) for MetaMorph which does exactly that.
+1
well, although 'm not a dev, but as users this idea is pretty workable. at least we had lesser unneccesary thread and will look more neat and tidy. thats what make xda more professional and classy. way to go devs. +1 to the idea.
thanks.
OP, good idea, but not everyone may think like you, including the DEVs. There is nothing wrong with what you are stating, but it has been mentioned before that different DEVs want to work on different things; some people want to be unique.
One more thing, can you please not use the word should so much, please?
My wife uses it all the time..."you should clean this" " you should go here" " you should say this". thanks.
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Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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Agreed. Although some of the requests are somewhat reasonable, it's up to the devs to decide what they want to do with their free time and they are dedicating so much of it to making such great contributions to begin with.
We're not paying for the dev's services, so i dont think we have much pull on how they design their ROMS (nor should we)
I think if you want a specific ROM a specific way. YOU should be learning how to code and cook ROMS for yourself.
OzJD said:
Sounds like the OP is ill-informed, and wants an iPhone.
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Read and lol'd. This is probably pretty close to the truth.
Well I for one salute the OP for finally taking a stand and telling the devs what we really want. After all it is all about ME and what I want and they should bloody well be grateful that I even bother to tell them what is wrong with their work, and they should fix it faster. I am a busy guy and can't be bothered to figure out this stuff for myself....
If any of that even vaguely resonates with you... here is a very small clue, completely free of charge...
The devs do this work for their own reasons. Some do it for the challenge, some do it for fun, some do it because they want something different, some do it for the glory. However, they all share it and make the results of their hard work available for the benefit of us end user types. Many even provide free support and hand holding, answering the same questions over and over.
You can politely ask for things to change. If you structure your request well enough and it makes sense, some devs may see the benefit and change. Others will not. Trying to dictate standards of documentation, presentation, features, or packaging just is not going to work, and quite frankly why should it. They are not doing it for you, you are just benefiting as a side effect of them being willing to release their work.
I am sure if you were willing to pay regular software developer rates for a particular feature set, you could find folks willing to accommodate you. Unless you are willing to do that, consider that you already get far more than you pay for.
rydr1 said:
OP, good idea, but not everyone may think like you, including the DEVs. There is nothing wrong with what you are stating, but it has been mentioned before that different DEVs want to work on different things; some people want to be unique.
One more thing, can you please not use the word should so much, please?
My wife uses it all the time..."you should clean this" " you should go here" " you should say this". thanks.
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I'm Vietnamese and my English is not good. I just know saying " you should do something" is better than saying "you have to do something" or "you must to do something"
ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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So I guess we should also stop giving developers suggestions and bug reports, because who wants to fix bugs for enjoyment? I disagree quite a lot with your post; it is in fact our role to make requests. How are ROMs supposed to get better without the input of its users? You completely contradict yourself by saying that we should not "make requests" but we should "be supportive," because by making requests, you are being supportive. By trying to better the project, you are being far more supportive than a silent user.
It's not like funbacon's suggestion has malicious intent. Neither is he trying to dictate what devs should and should not do. You don't have to agree with all of his points, but dismissing the whole thing because of one point, or the fact that he referenced the iPhone, is stupid. It's a suggestion, which most of you have said is a good idea, yet don't think it should be incorporated because... of the vocabulary used? Or maybe it's some other reason, but I have yet to see another valid reason.
Will this work in practice? That's another discussion. But I believe having some standards and general guidelines will be immensely helpful and make it simpler to try different ROMs.
Rydr1, you need counseling. Or a divorce.
bjtheone said:
Well I for one salute the OP for finally taking a stand and telling the devs what we really want. After all it is all about ME and what I want and they should bloody well be grateful that I even bother to tell them what is wrong with their work, and they should fix it faster. I am a busy guy and can't be bothered to figure out this stuff for myself....
If any of that even vaguely resonates with you... here is a very small clue, completely free of charge...
The devs do this work for their own reasons. Some do it for the challenge, some do it for fun, some do it because they want something different, some do it for the glory. However, they all share it and make the results of their hard work available for the benefit of us end user types. Many even provide free support and hand holding, answering the same questions over and over.
You can politely ask for things to change. If you structure your request well enough and it makes sense, some devs may see the benefit and change. Others will not. Trying to dictate standards of documentation, presentation, features, or packaging just is not going to work, and quite frankly why should it. They are not doing it for you, you are just benefiting as a side effect of them being willing to release their work.
I am sure if you were willing to pay regular software developer rates for a particular feature set, you could find folks willing to accommodate you. Unless you are willing to do that, consider that you already get far more than you pay for.
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So... all the developers here make ROMs for themselves, but are nice enough to post it for everyone else to use?
Wow, haha. What a distorted view you have there. (Most?) developers aren't as selfish as you think they are. Developers make ROMs so the people who visit this forum can benefit from them, or at least that's the general reason. Why do you think they release updates often to fix bugs or add new functionality, or address issues and suggestions brought up by users?
Or, if I were to look at it from your point of view: users are just tools that devs use to make their ROM better.
Yeah, no. You shouldn't think so lowly of devs here. They should be appreciated, you know.
1.I will say that i've had android since day 1 and funbacon was around at that time to. helping and making changes himself to certain roms and apks etc...and helped other people, so he shouldnt be treated as a noob that doesnt know what he is talking about or that he is whining because that is not the case.
2. He made a suggestion that has to do with development and posted in the correct spot and he still hears **** from it? when there are people posting in deveoplment forums that has nothing to do it " what rom is the best, or what phone should i buy" and they dont get as much **** as your handing to someone that made a DEVELOPMENT suggestion and a good one. in the correct section. so people shouldnt be downing him for his work/suggestions
p.s funbacon...nice to see you around again
funbacon said:
I'm Vietnamese and my English is not good. I just know saying " you should do something" is better than saying "you have to do something" or "you must to do something"
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No, funbacon, you took it wrong. Im just kidding about using that word. there is nothing wrong with you using it, there is something wrong with my wife using it.
I was just adding a little fun to the thread.