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Newbie question: What is G3, G4, etc - and how do I tell?

Hello - This forum is a great resource; unfortunately the wiki portion isn't quite ready yet...
I've done a forum search on this topic (using the "search" function), but it wasn't very useful. Google was more helpful - I've learned that apparently G3 or G4 has to do with the kind of flash memory used on a HTC Prophet.
How do I tell if my device uses G3 or G4 flash memory?
I just picked up a Dopod 818 Pro last week. It was brand new in the store, but I'm not sure when it was actually produced. The case features the newer, easier to read style Dopod logo (as opposed to the logo that looked like a bunch of circles with some dots above or below).
It seems to have the most basic/early ROM version there is - 1.0.13.21 WWE.
The ExtROM version is: 1.00.13.102. The ROM date is 11/24/05.
From what I'm reading here, I think my device would benefit greatly from a firmware upgrade.
To do that, I need to know - is this a G4 or G3 device? Do I need to CID unlock this device in order to put new firmware on it?
Thanks for your help and input.
-Dan

Hi Dan, if your SPL ends in .000 you have a G3 chip, if it ends .001 then you have G4. softreset you device to see the IPL and SPL version.
You will need to CID unlock your device before changing you ROM.

austin.tovey said:
You will need to CID unlock your device before changing you ROM.
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as i know, you don't have to CID unlock your device. You only have to change the Romupdateulility.exe (extract the downloaded .EXE file with winrar) with this file
ftp://[email protected]/Up...AKU2.3_LvsW_edition/ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe

Thanks a lot, everyone!
I have my Dopod up and running the latest 2.151327 firmware now!
The help is much appreciated.
Take it easy,
- Dan

Guys, just about to sell my Magician for ProphIt
Please advise what's the fuss about G3 and G4, is G4 better than G3. I mean, if other things are the same, what would you choose G3 or G4? what other advantages and disadvantages?
Thanks

SPL downgrade on G3

I searched in the forum, always read that SPL cannot be downgrade on G4, but is it possible to do it on G3?
Thanks.

I also want to know.
But no one will answer newbie's question.
Better ask in other forum.

If your device is CID unlocked you can. Search this great! forum my friend.

Look for PDAMobiz Downgrade and Unlock CID.RAR

DoCtOr_X said:
Look for PDAMobiz Downgrade and Unlock CID.RAR
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what I understand from the wiki is that this process only downgrade on the OS not SPL...

Not a problem
It does not matter if PDAMobiz ROM does downgrade or not the SPL. Once you will load mobiz ROM and then unlock your device, the next time you will be able to install whatever G3 ROM you want. You won't see anymore the RUU's telling you can not downgrade. Startup screen will inspect your device and will only find v1.2, a fake info that enables everything.

IPL/SPL 3.08 and new radio ROM 2.69.21

As nobody has posted this information here before: there're some news in the Prophet upgrading scene
IPL/SPL 3.08 update is out (adapted from the official t-mobile Germany AKU3.3 for HTC Charmer, thanks to our friends from 4pda.ru).
Be attended that for the moment there're no downgrading experiences to the AKU2.2!
[edit 1] Some users reported that it definetly works for G3 devices.
So if you upgrade your device to IPL/SPL 3.08 you will possibly not be able to go back to your original IPL/SPL (warranty!). Test it on your own risk!
[edit 2] Some users reported that it works for G3 devices. Details will follow.
Since there're different upgrade IPL/SPL ROM's available you've exactly to know which device you're owned (G3 or G4).
The new radio rom is for both, G3 and G4.
Also a new radio ROM 2.69.21 is available (don't wonder about italian Wizard's update utility). All user experiences are welcome
HTC Prophet IPL/SPL 3.08 G3 only!
HTC Prophet IPL/SPL 3.08 G4 only! (actually there're some problems with this package , please use the next one)
Repacked SPL update working solution for G4
HTC Prophet radio ROM 2.69.21 G3 and G4

What kind of problems/features is IPL/SPL related to?

rjtd said:
What kind of problems/features is IPL/SPL related to?
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Only HTC can answer this question
It's like a BIOS update for your PC.

redandr said:
Only HTC can answer this question
It's like a BIOS update for your PC.
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Is there any reason for a Prophet user to upgrade to the new one?

redandr said:
Be attended that for the moment there're no downgrading experiences to the AKU2.2!
So if you upgrade your device to IPL/SPL 3.08 you will possibly not be able to go back to your original IPL/SPL (warranty!). Test it on your own risk!
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Is this really true?
have any tried?

It is not possible to downgrade ipl/spl at all.
I don't understand the confusion here

does it only work with aku 3.3 roms or it can work with the latest Qtek official rom (aku 2.2)?

flykthewiz said:
It is not possible to downgrade ipl/spl at all.
I don't understand the confusion here
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There's no question about possibility to downgrade ipl/spl, there's a question about possibility to install an earlier AKU on such upgraded device, for example 220734_NoVID (AKU2.2).

redandr said:
There's no question about possibility to downgrade ipl/spl, there's a question about possibility to install an earlier AKU on such upgraded device, for example 220734_NoVID (AKU2.2).
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I want to know, too.
If I upgrade to IPL/SPL 3.08, can I install 2.20 QTEK ROM on it?

THX it doesnt work on my G4!!
Now i reburn old OS to bring the system up and running! He enter only the Bootloader.
[edit] i debug now!!
[edit 2] ok both doesnt work on a German S200 G4 (possible -> CID Lock make the problem!! or the firmware writer)
IPL/SPL Update hung at 2% and Radio Update too ... after them i must reburn the 02.61.21 Radio Rom
Note to every body ... dont use this upgrades!
[edit 3] i change now the firmware writer and test again!
[edit 4] ... redandr ... you use the wrong firmware writer! extract with winrar the Prophet_G3_G4_RadioRom_v2.61.21.exe in a directory. then i extract the nk.nbf file from your rom version ... then i put them over the v2.61.21 version and flash again ... then it works ... now i recompile the update and test ipl/spl update. if i am finish i upload a working version!!!
Change Log:
I have change the Firmware Writer!!
redandr use "ROMUpdateUtility_Wizard_NoID.exe" it hungs after 2%
i use the Firmware Writer from last 2.61.21 "newromupdateutility_noid.exe"
Then it works ... tested on two German S200 G4
HTC Prophet radio ROM 2.69.21 G3 and G4 NetrunnerAT
IPL/SPL doesnt work ... hung on 2% its a writer problem
Can somebody test it? Both Radio ROMs and tell use ... what version works?

NetrunnerAT, thank you for sharing your experiences.
For me Wizard's update utility worked without problems (for radio rom upgrade), didn't try to change ipl/spl (not necessary for me).

Radio Rom 2.69.21 works fine for me on my Qtek S200 G3... I used the upgrade from the first post... did not try the ipl/spl yet because I am not sure if need it...
so far, radio rom 2.69.21 is very good... I had some problem with 2.47 and 2.61 (phone not ready...)... but with this one, it seems to be ok...

Hello, sorry for my inexperience, so that it serves to update the IPL/SPL 3.08?. The fact is that really not so that it serves this update. That of the already this updated radio and working perfectly, even would say that the coverage gsm has improved.
Thank you

Same here! ROMUpdateUtility_Wizard_NoID.exe works without problems!
Working version also available at the XDA-Dev-FTP!

repack that works
SPL_3.08_Prophet_Updater_NVID_ONLY_G4 only for G4
don't have time to test right now but the first splash screen seems to take longer device boots up though normally
ipl not included as it wasn't in the first package
this is only for G4
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cr0ssy said:
repack that works
http://rapidshare.com/files/24826792/SPL_3.08_Prophet_Updater_NVID.rar
don't have time to test right now but the first splash screen seems to take longer device boots up though normally
ipl not included as it wasn't in the first package
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Great! It works again! I also had the problem of sticking at 2%.
@relandr
Maybe you can be so kind to update your first post?
Since it really causing problems when people want to upgrade to SPL 3.08

cr0ssy said:
repack that works
http://rapidshare.com/files/24826792/SPL_3.08_Prophet_Updater_NVID.rar
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Is this for G3 or G4?
ipl not included as it wasn't in the first package
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Which package do you mean, G3 or G4?

redandr said:
Is this for G3 or G4?
Which package do you mean, G3 or G4?
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Mine is a G4 and it worked with cr0ssy's file

redandr said:
Is this for G3 or G4?
Which package do you mean, G3 or G4?
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I think it for G4

can I upgrade ipl and spl without any problems?

just a little help after 2.21.olip

hey guys,
after using hard_SPL-G4.exe
i made my SPL to 2.21.olip
what i have to do next? can i install a wm6 now perhaps Jaguar?
or what i have to do now? when i try BlackDiamond 3.1 Touch.rar i get error 300 invalid update tool and other wm6 dont work too...
plz help...
i have a MDA VARIO FROM T-online

If you read and understood the HardSPL thread in the G4 forum, you shouldn't be asking this. That thread is clear (IMO) how HardSPL works.
But put simply, yes, if you have HardSPL installed, then you can flash a custom rom like Jaguar or somesuch on your G4 just like the G3 users do. But you need to understand that you may have to switch the RUU that is used (again, that is discussed in the HardSPL thread in the G4 forum).
Please read and understand the HardSPL thread though before you wind up bricking your device.

u need to find the ruu mun file its laying around in the g4 forum im using a g4 myself so i have dealt with the process involved so if any questions just pm me or ask away in the g4 forum

ROM Update for Qtek A9100

Hi All:
I would like to update the rom to my Qtek , but I am a little confused about wich one is my model.
The info at start is:
IPL 2.26.0001
SPL 2.26.0001
GSM 02.44.11
OS 2.26.17.1
Which rom update is best suited for my Qtek ? I appreciate all the info you can give me.
Best wishes
Bert

Humbardi said:
Hi All:
I would like to update the rom to my Qtek , but I am a little confused about wich one is my model.
The info at start is:
IPL 2.26.0001
SPL 2.26.0001
GSM 02.44.11
OS 2.26.17.1
Which rom update is best suited for my Qtek ? I appreciate all the info you can give me.
Best wishes
Bert
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Based on the SPL version, that's a G4. Any ROM will be fine as long as it is marked as G4 safe, i.e. it contains no SPL code. Read carefully the ROM author's instructions and make sure it is compatible with G4 devices. Most recent ROMS are G4 safe, but some older releases may be for G3 devices only.
Before flashing, make sure you read the general instructions for flashing ROMs on G4 devices. Failure to follow them could brick your device!
About which ROM: that's a matter of taste. Read up on them, browse features and screenshots, check the user comments, and choose the one you like best. I'm using the TNT ROM by itsright and I'm happy with it. I have a G4 Qtek 9100 too.

ineluki said:
Based on the SPL version, that's a G4. Any ROM will be fine as long as it is marked as G4 safe, i.e. it contains no SPL code. Read carefully the ROM author's instructions and make sure it is compatible with G4 devices. Most recent ROMS are G4 safe, but some older releases may be for G3 devices only.
Before flashing, make sure you read the general instructions for flashing ROMs on G4 devices. Failure to follow them could brick your device!
About which ROM: that's a matter of taste. Read up on them, browse features and screenshots, check the user comments, and choose the one you like best. I'm using the TNT ROM by itsright and I'm happy with it. I have a G4 Qtek 9100 too.
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Very true !
I'll just add here that always remember a G4 device can never be CID unlocked like a G3 device,but it can be upgraded to wm6 by applying methods 'HardSPL' or 'SoftSPL',read about them in the G4 forum posted as 'Stickies'