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Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
Since the leak of the so called Orwells1984 WM6 beta ROM for the Wizard, a lot of home-cooked WM6 ROMs have appeared.
I tried to make clarity for myself across the different version and started doing file comparison… at the binary level
(date don't help and a lot of cooks are tempering with ROM version numbers, so that is the only way to figure differences)!
One of the many comparison I’ve done and I would like to report here is the content of the IMGFS partition of WM6’s ROMs,
namely the Orwells’1984 original leaked rom and Faria’s latest WM6 ROM named “faria-htc wizard...WWE WM6 ROM- [the real thing]”.
My findings are really surprising as a binary comparison shows that Orwells’s1984 and Faria’s WM6 share 1094 identical files.
Only 31 files present in both ROMs are different (among these are the usual suspects like initflash.dat, system.hv, user.hv,
the CommManager and a bunch of package files). The attached .ZIP file contains the detailed comparison reports for more information.
Of course, they are play more files added by Faria, that makes this ROM his very own custom ROM,
he tuned the registry settings for stability and performance, re-organized the icons, branded the ROM with his name, etc.
added no less than 403 files and removed 59 files from Orwells'1984...
... but the fact that his ROM is based on Orwells'1984 ROM like all other Wizard WM6 ROMs remains.
I used the IMGFS tools and a file comparison tool to establish these facts.
I can post the methodology on this forum if people are interested and are willing to look in these details.
--eluth.
Is your flame suit on?
and.........???
I don't know what your point is? You made a statement, but why? Where are you going with your statement?
The sky is blue. Grass is green. Now what?
Wooow
...sounds like a serious charge
Are you even sure that Orwells is the real leak ?
or it's ported from the Universal ?
...just curious
Honestly, I'm not sure that there is that much difference between Orwell's and any other WM6 ROM. The only difference I've found is that when you tap the connection manager in the top bar in Orwell's, you cannot turn off the wifi. Also, I've not been able to choose WMA files for my alarms.
What are the other functional differences?
i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com
His Point
I believe his point is that all the wm6 rom's out there is from Orwells’s1984. I think I remember faria's mentioning his wm6 cook rom is the real thing, not from Orwells’s1984 beta rom. Maybe he's trying to point that out. Interesting facts thou, love this forum.
Right now, I believe there is only 3 sources of original wm6 rom that cooks use , one is from Orwells’s1984, The First Chinese version of wm6 that surface dunno if this was from Orwells’s1984. And last would be the one from Mun that was extracted from Herms. Oh didn't see the eariler post so guess it goes back even more ..haha.
Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.
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i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com
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Man, you're too funny
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I don't post much but I do read and get alot of information from this forum. I also get to take advantage of the hard work that Faria, Summiter and others put into creating better ROM's for our devices....
But your comment is useless and contributes nothing to this forum. I strongly urge you to either keep your comments to yourself, develop your own ROM to distribute to others, and deal with the 'public', or leave this forum never to return.
To all the reader of this post, I must first emphasis on the point that I'm not trying to criticizes Faria's work or any chef's work.
This is not my point.
The fact that I have only 16 posts (actually 18 with this post ) had nothing to do with my point either.
The only thing it says is how many contributions I did to xda-developer as a forum, which is very little, I agree.
Neither itdoes reflect how many post I read since I joined, nor my knowledge in the field.
Initially, I'm a simple user of Microsoft's and they some chef's ROM.
With all the talks around WM6, I started experimenting in ROM cooking and naturally,
I asked myself, like many other readers of this forum, what are the differences and benefits with all the new WM6 ROMs popping up...
What I did differently, is I devised my own methodology to understand commonalities and differences, by extracting files from ROMs,
dumping registries, doing comparison of files and registries...
What I'm trying to reflect here is (you got exactly my point g0dblissyou) that all the Wizard WM6 ROMs out there have a common ancestor,
which is Orwells’s1984, including Faria's WM6 ROM.
There is nothing to be ashamed of, and again I want to acknowledge and recognize Faria's great work.
No doubt it's hard work, and it takes a long time to polish a ROM.
He did a great job in all the ROMs he released (I used some and I liked them).
He clearly did contribute immensely to this community, and for that I'm thankful.
I just don't understand why Faria claims in multiple occasions that this ROM IS NOT BASED
on Orwell's when, based on my observations, this is clearly INEXACT.
I'm not trying to judge, attack or hurt anyone. I'm just stating facts.
Again, the only point I'm trying to make is,
Claims that Faria's WM6 ROM has nothing to do with Orwells'1984 are greatly exaggerated.
--eluth.
I'm going to state this publicly and once...
If you have a problem with the claims of another member (senior, junior or otherwise), take it up with that member through a PM BEFORE you post publicly. If you aren't satisfied, take it up with a moderator, and if you aren't satisfied with that response, bring it to the attention of the rest of the forum.
Request: Mods, all posts in this that do not pertain to technical issues related differences between the WM6 ROM's in question should be closely watched.
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Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.
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I think his point was that faria claimed this...
"THIS rom has no parts from any current wm6 rom,this is a real WWE wizard rom ,all the parts needed to make it as a full rom were sourced from my 3.3."
When that is infact not the case, if this is true. If you dont make such claims, there will be nothing for others to complain about.
i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!
how many files does orwells rom have with other wm5 and wm6 roms? i guarantee its a very high percent. Its not like these people are taking windows and making macs, they're improving on a product.
I see what you're saying but so many people have and enjoy farias rom that i dont think you're comment was in line
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i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!
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Ok, stop there... Don't start speculating and making assumptions like this. Do you know how many PM's Faria gets every day? Do you know how many posts in a single day were posted in his thread for the new rom? Do you know how much of a life Faria has outside XDA-Developers? Has Faria answered every single post in his threads? (remember, he has more than one ROM out and then there are multiple posts started about his rom also). If you also read his posts, he indicated a couple of times he could not discuss certain aspects of how he got the code base that he started with, so if you did ask, it was most likely after that was stated, so why should he answer it again (and again and again and again) when so many people here won't read a single page in front of the one they are posting on.
Geez, you ask a question and don't get a response so now you claim its a conspiracy / cover-up (ok, you didn't say that, but you are sure implying it here with your comment quoted above).
I've thought about dabbling in cooking roms, but now that I see the appreciation people get (not just this thread but in others like the threads for the rom releases themselves) I honestly don't think I'd want the frustration that comes with it. A LOT OF TIME and effort goes into these and then people nit pick and demand and demand and demand more. Not even mentioning where I see this thread heading.
I checked the bin diffs. If this was in fact a new ROM Microsoft standards would have at least update the version resources. I'm confused now because the greatest Wizard ROM chef is called into question. Jose, I know how much work and testing you put into your ROMs BUT when the base binaries are the same I just get to wondering. It's no shame if you build a better mousetrap with the same tools -- as bin diff claims, but to claim a new and better source of the base build would get me killed in my KDE work. Fess up or counter now -- your credibility is in grave jeopardy.
Would you stop ?
At first I also thought it was suspicious...but then I realised that I don't even care.
And you will accomplish absolutely nothing by backbiting somebody.
I say stop here and delete this thread. What if the one in questioning was you ?
After long, hard, FREE work done for this comunity(1220 posts, sounds heavy to me, in only 1 year+countless PM's),
suddenly some guy launches a rumour...and the news is spreading ... My question is :
How would you feel ?
I rest my case here.
This is nonsense talk,
I don't care if it's a true WM6 core or not,
this will bring no good for the comunity
STOP IT!!!!!!
This thread is crap. WHAT DO YOU WANT NEW OS(FOR FREE!!!!!). PAY MS 500dollars then you will know what does OS cost.
BY saying that faria would have meant that it is not like all those rom which were released recently and not the whole OS.
CLOSE this thread.
Jeeezzzz, give me a break. The OP just post his finding. He was careful enough to post this:
eluth said:
Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
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If Faria's ROM is the real CB then MS is in trouble because comparing to WM5, CB is too buggy to be the real, final product. Just because Faria is a ROM Cooker, that does not mean that nobody is allow to post an opinion or finding about his works. Do you go about everyday in life without ever question everything you've heard or seen? Last time I check this forum isn't in North Korea where as you are not allow to question everything you've heard or seen.
I've been using wm6 most beautiful for a few months, ignorant of the other versions out there. I like it, but I feel like im missing out on some spectacular kitchen-made wm6 for my wizard.
can somebody give me some pointers on a different, better version; maybe some comparing and contrasting. thanks
NDB 7.7 is kind of cool, it looks diff too
it was stable on my phone until i ****ed something up which was faulty on my side
Caught me on a bad day.....
I can't decide if your question is lazy, rude, or both.
Open the threads, read them. Can we make it much simpler? Nobody gets spoonfed here and it's generally considered a good thing to put some effort into understanding what you're doing so READ the threads of ROMs which interest you.
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This uestion depends on what you want your phone to do. Each cook has thier own style and each one likes to put diffrent things into thier roms. Take me for example, I want to make a lite version of WM6 and they all come with VC. Generally I keep the rom clean of extra's as I dont really use anything too extravagant on my own phone.
Other cooks put certain apps that they like to use, and some go for the Touch look. When a cook makes a rom they are typically making them for themselves and just being nice enough to release them to the public.
Do some research and try to look at the past roms of chefs to see what they consistantly use. MB WM6 was a good rom, but there are better ones out now.
Things have been so quiet lately, that I thought I'd just put up something so people have something to read! The usual suspects that hang around have been missing for a while. Haven't heard from Phil in months. Nitro is about to leave. And Vjgrace never promised to be around for too long. I think we're in a long, lonely stretch here, fellas!
I think we 'Tornado'ian are a 'dying' breed. ROM flashing dont excite many people anymore after
vjgrace's almost perfect v3.7 release. Hopefully Nitro can bring us some excitement with his next release. But I bet the excitement will be short-lived.
I for one would like a change to the mundane Tornado Homescreen. On the horizon there is PointUI (www. PointUI.com). But it is far from perfect. Gregory's HTC Home cracked was ok but lacked user customization. Maybe Homescreen design competition!
Well, what do we do to bring some excitement to the Tornado? Wait for WM7 ROM cooking? Linuz? or port the Android?
The answers are within us.
Post ideas here.
Don't worry, my friends. There is a "dynamic equilibrium" in this forum; some people leave, new people come. Andot came when Phil left, EA came when Andot left, etc. There will always be someone to improve our ROMs or just provide support. Don't forget that there are many people here who don't cook but are here for us when we have a problem (DSF, karhoe, you bipinsen and illi, and many more).
So, there's nothing to worry about. This forum has many good members to carry on our ...legacy!
I just started playing with my TMO SDA (Tornado) on Sunday night. Flashed a NitroGenius WM6 for the first time.
However, making my own ROMs is fun so I already started the process. I ported 5.2.1711 Build 18165.0.5.0 from the TMO Shadow ROM dump posted in another forum (OS only). I will make a vanilla kitchen out of it if anyone is interested... well, even if nobody is interested I'll make a kitchen of it anyway because it's fun to do!
Weird that there is a 5.2.1616 18165.0.5.0, it must be some kind of hybrid because each Microsoft build number is associated with only a specific version, 18165 goes with 1711.
See, there will always be someone to continue the Tornado WM6 ROM project.
Nice work, GnatGoSplat. You have a pm.
I also plan to release a kitchen as soon as I create the option.xml files for BuildOS. Maybe we can cooperate on this.
You have PM! I won't have much time to work on my kitchen until things calm down at my workplace, but I'll send you the XIP tonight and you should be able to get 5.2.1711 available to the public very soon!
With as many HTC devices as I own, the Tornado is one of my favorites, it's so slim and compact, but it has Wifi! I will probably be around here for some time.
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With as many HTC devices as I own, the Tornado is one of my favorites, it's so slim and compact, but it has Wifi! I will probably be around here for some time.
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Welcome to the forum GnatGoSplat! Nice to have you here.
NiTroGenious AFAIK you expect Shark's new build rom, he said it wouldn't be ready in january...
on subj i can say that there will be some progress soon, cause microsoft promised wm 6.1 in 1Q2008, for sure it will be possible to port it for our old friends
GnatGoSplat said:
I just started playing with my TMO SDA (Tornado) on Sunday night. Flashed a NitroGenius WM6 for the first time.
However, making my own ROMs is fun so I already started the process. I ported 5.2.1711 Build 18165.0.5.0 from the TMO Shadow ROM dump posted in another forum (OS only). I will make a vanilla kitchen out of it if anyone is interested... well, even if nobody is interested I'll make a kitchen of it anyway because it's fun to do!
Weird that there is a 5.2.1616 18165.0.5.0, it must be some kind of hybrid because each Microsoft build number is associated with only a specific version, 18165 goes with 1711.
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Glad to have you around GnatGoSplat. WELCOME!
The excitement continues... I am looking forward to a vanilla version
@Nitro - hardly an hour of your posting, here comes someone along to "continue the legacy..."
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ROM flashing dont excite many people anymore after vjgrace's almost perfect v3.7 release.
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i guess you are right. why would one flash another rom when the existing ones (e.g. vjgrace, NiTroGenious) are that good? i think when MS releases something new some people might start again, bringing this alive on the tornado.
but for the time being...
I like Flashing
I just can't keep re-installing my phone all the time
I do need it for actual phone calls every once in awhile
rom kitshen
im a noob and i realy mean noob i realy dont no´how to make a ro and i now i have asked many times but bad answers and i need a good techer from the begining and if you now a video or webbsite that lern that sings so please show or learn me
and if you now a rpogram that´will be good
Thanks NiTroGenious... unfortunately i've lost my ultra-mega-passion for WM (limited time, univ, etc)
But, as you've said "some people leave, new people come" and some of them remain in "background"..
Wish you a great time with the military service! Good luck
We wait you back, you're the man .
i'm posting this thread 2 c whose with me in the idea of building the real ultimate rom for our UNIs
i mean WM6.1 with VT, speed, stability, A2DP, new BT stack ... everything
we have some great minds here guys. Tomal, Luca, VNint and Cotulla
if u guys just contact and think together, I'm sure u'll do it
So, i'm thinking of making a new thread where u guys participate ... like (think out loud) in this thread, and not just the four of u, i mean anyone can add his idea.
U can add registry keys where there's a problem to think about, add cabs .... anything
then finally the rom we're all waiting for is cooked
I want to see some response here guys .. and i want to know what our developers think too
Cheers
well... every develper or cooker has his own visions how a rom have to look like... it's not only bout the design... it's also settings and possibilities.
so i don't think it'll happen and i even don't think it shall happen. cuz when i don't like one rom i take another one and give it a try
just my 2 cents...
It may be worth doing as they have on the Athena site, and start with a clean stable base rom witha large flashdisk so people can add there own cab's and software so others can try it
How about this software to enhance mobile shell
regards
jay
and not only does everyone bring their own flavor to it, like i use my uni like a laptop so i hate things like flash disks and want not, and although im in the US and cannot utilize VT i also know that it wasnt working seince 5.0 had a betaish go in 6.0 and something i saw in efn's 6.1 but i know that it will never really be a reality in 6.1
because every cook makes their own thing, my two best working roms was efn's 2.20 and cotulla's 20757
I think the ultimate ROM has already created by Tomal v8.5!!
Time ago this subject was proposed but I think it´s dificult to get all masters together because their times and ocupations.
Anyway good luck
orb3000 said:
I think the ultimate ROM has already created by Tomal v8.5!!
Time ago this subject was proposed but I think it´s dificult to get all masters together because their times and ocupations.
Anyway good idea and good luck
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duly seconded...
Less than 1% of the peoples in the community has interest for VT so it will NEVER be a reality for Uni.
But may be you can bring some brilliant idea in other areas, where most people has interest of it. For instance, "big storage" idea brought by Cotulla.
This is really amazing idea. Somehow he has managed to resize/reformat the DOC (M-Systems chip) area.
I've couple of PM's to consider it. But I'll not work on this unless Cotulla allows others to work on. But here is the principle:
The NK.EXE (of Cotulla's rom) is responsible for resizing the DOC. You can use any ROM once the resizing is done and the storage area will be same (extended) for every rom. But you need to make sure that the rom image you're using is fitting into the allocated area or it will be resulting an unsuccessful (rom) update.
Furthermore, someone can build a tool to do the DOC resizing/repartitioning as Mamaich has build one for BA couple of years back.
cheers
Thanx 4 replying everyone
there's another idea though
how about they don't make the rom together, but just solve the problems together and everyone of them just ontinue building his roms the way he likes
so, we'll get a variety of well cooked roms
like what Tomal said about the storage idea of cotulla. I think we all like it and want it in every rom
they may solve other robelms too, like the speed issues. I really don't like it when my friend's Magician is faster than mine (believe me thats true) in applications an games
and hopefully they will also get the VT working cause its just not fair that we have it and can't use it even if alot of us are not interested
BTW, Tomal, I don't understand what u said about cotulla's storage thing
For mee too Tomal's 8.5 Standard edition is almost perfect. My standard battery pack can withstand for 4 days now(Approx 30 mins GSM calls a day). Stable and fast.
Every developer has his own opinion what is good and what is bad...
If you make a "perfect" ROM. What does that mean? Take four devs and everyone has his own idea for one feature. The "perfect" ROM will be a mixture of four minds. And this one will be crap. Just because it will be the minimal consensus...
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Every developer has his own opinion what is good and what is bad...
If you make a "perfect" ROM. What does that mean? Take four devs and everyone has his own idea for one feature. The "perfect" ROM will be a mixture of four minds. And this one will be crap. Just because it will be the minimal consensus...
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I agree.
And every developed ROM some users like, and others don't. Some stick to the previous ROM by a developer, and other users prefer other ROM's... That's what I love about xda-developers is the diversity. I see others enjoying ROM's they like. I'd hate to enforce my likes on others. We all have different needs and uses for our UNI's. I'm sure those that need VT would like to see something developed for them - even if the rest of us disliked the ROM for other reasons.
The ROM I choose is the best for me... it's not necessarily the best ROM (...although I vote it is )
We have speed and stability... Bring on diversity! Let's keep the Uni colourful, let's have the choice! (Where's the button for "freedom of choice!" ).
However with developers that we have/had... Beasty, Leo, VNInt, luca15thebig, Tomal, EFN, FrankZ, No3ulla, rDosti, ThingOnASpring, JWRights, nncuong, PhamQuang, minhantratan... others I forget to mention... I think development continues with no worries. I'm amazed at what ROM I'm looking at on my second-hand Uni!! (considering it's upbringing from WM5, a sub-£100 machine, and no prospect of an upgrade).
nagoo1, what exactly is it you're needing the Uni to do?
i need it to have VT , to respond faster and to have a rom with no issues
and i want it to be smaller (u guys don't deliver this kind of service, do u ?!!!)
VT???
I must have missed it, but what h... is VT? What does it stand for and what does it add to our Universal?
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I must have missed it, but what h... is VT? What does it stand for and what does it add to our Universal?
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VT = video telephony ... which isn't available at WM6
13 ?!!!!
just 13 gave thier opinion .. is that all ?
where r our developers?
They are busy cooking ROM`s
For now those are the only places I've found on the internet that really try to do something about our phone. They're in chinese but google translator can get the general meaning. Registration is free and guys over there are really supportive. Go on and have a try. They already have a clean chinese/english 6.5 rom. It's not perfect but it looks like they're going somewhere...
http://www.i3x.cc/forumdisplay.php?fid=60&page=1
http://www.zn520.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=24
If we gonna get enough people over there asking about clean ROM and other stuff maybe someone will give a damn about us.
Cheers.
I was thinking. A while ago I had very interesting conversatiion with guy called Nokser (he's developer contributing to this forum). What he told me was that he would be able to make a clean ROM out of original AT&T's WM6.5.
Now a "but". There's always a "but" isn't there ?
He said he would but he won't 'cause he lacks time. Everybody has to make a living and he can't afford to waste time for something not profitable especially when he's loaded with work. (Well OK. It's not what he told me literally but everyone can read between the lines, right?).
You have probably seen kitchens he made and you are quite aware he made life of at least few of you easier
OK, let's get to the point. Taking under consideration fact he made sucessfully i.a. i600 ROM probably he would be our (Jack's users) best bet for making i637 clean rom.
Like I said no one likes to work for free. My idea is to make small donations so he can finally help us and develop new rom.
I think it's the best idea and only one available right now.
What do YOU think guys and gals?
I'm pretty sure Nokser would like it. And I'm not trying to advertise or something...God forbid. I'm just trying to make mine and yours life easier and happier.
Have a good one! Cheers!
mykail
nice that would be cool for him to do that .but if he those make a rom add htc icons or iphone icons and change taskbar like htc phone.