I'm about to buy my first WM phone. I have had several WM PDAs, my current one being the HP 4705 running WM5. Can anyone tell me if the memory management in WM6 has been improved over WM5? I find my PDA grinding to a near halt almost every day and am forced to do a soft reset. I also notice my memory meter slowly dropping throughout the day (memory leaks), even if I don't get one of those irritating slowdowns. I'm guessing in a typical day I do a soft reset 3-4 times. Has this issue been fixed/improved with WM6?
Thanks.
-Bob-
I think it depends on what ROM you burn into your phone. Some have more memory leaks then others.
Memory management under WM5 and 6 seems the same to me. I see little differences, if any, on my Wizard running WM 5 or WM6 (memory wise), except that I'm running a build of WM6 (Business Edition) that leaves about 29 MB free with the MiniSD in place (vs only 24 MB on official ROM). This makes a big difference for me, as during normal use memory will go down, but there's more free, so usually I only need to reset once a week (sometimes twice).
That being said, the HX4700 wasn't designed for WM 5 and it doesn't run under WM 5 as well as new devices designed with permanent storage in mind. The compaction process that slowed down the HX4700 shows no performance impact on native WM 5 devices (not at least on my Wizard or F-S Loox N560). So no slowdowns.
But if you're a power user, my recomendation is to look for a device with 128 MB RAM, to avoid soft-resetting your PocketPC when too much memory is in use and cannot be recovered simply terminating running programs.
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igalan said:
Memory management under WM5 and 6 seems the same to me. I see little differences, if any, on my Wizard running WM 5 or WM6 (memory wise), except that I'm running a build of WM6 (Business Edition) that leaves about 29 MB free with the MiniSD in place (vs only 24 MB on official ROM). This makes a big difference for me, as during normal use memory will go down, but there's more free, so usually I only need to reset once a week (sometimes twice).
That being said, the HX4700 wasn't designed for WM 5 and it doesn't run under WM 5 as well as new devices designed with permanent storage in mind. The compaction process that slowed down the HX4700 shows no performance impact on native WM 5 devices (not at least on my Wizard or F-S Loox N560). So no slowdowns.
But if you're a power user, my recomendation is to look for a device with 128 MB RAM, to avoid soft-resetting your PocketPC when too much memory is in use and cannot be recovered simply terminating running programs.
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Thanks for your reply. It was very helpful.
I used a T-Mobile MDA for 3 weeks, testing it for my kind of usage. It had WM5 and TWO major flaws that made me decide that I'd wait for WM6:
1. With 64MB RAM it could not run several programs at the same time. Before any additional apps were installed to a memory card it only had 28MB of available space. After installation of my software (all to a memory card), I was down to just over 18MB, as compared to 29MB on my 4705. It required many more soft resets than my 4705!
2. It's Wi-Fi antenna was very weak. It would drop the signal at just 20 feet of clear path to the box (half the distance of the 4705).
Your suggestion about 128MB of RAM confirms my experience with the MDA.
Thanks again.
-Bob-
Sadly, though, the selection of current devices with 128MB of RAM has become very small and if they do have 128MB of RAM they usually have other features that may deter you. Of course, the 128MB RAM upgrade by PPCTechs for the hx4700 looks nice (although expensive).
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2. It's Wi-Fi antenna was very weak. It would drop the signal at just 20 feet of clear path to the box (half the distance of the 4705).
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What I found with my MDA was that it wasnt the antenna as much as it was the radio rom. When I upgraded I noticed a huge performance gain especially in distance.
It does have a weaker antenna than some things though, and there are people that have made external add ons, although they dont talk about tuning it, so those addons may give a bad SWR, but meh.
The moral of this post is dont always blame hardware when its a software problem
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Sadly, though, the selection of current devices with 128MB of RAM has become very small and if they do have 128MB of RAM they usually have other features that may deter you. Of course, the 128MB RAM upgrade by PPCTechs for the hx4700 looks nice (although expensive).
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Actually, I'm in the process of evaluating cell phone replacements for my hx4700. I've narrowed the field to three right now, I-Mate Ultimate 5150, Softbank X01T, and Toshiba Portege G900. I like the Toshiba the best, but am concerned (as with the X01T) about the 480x800 screen size not being compatible with much of my software.
The criteria I'm using is GSM, WM6, WiFi, at least 128MB RAM, and at least 480x640 screen. Since my hx4700 is still working great, I'm not in a rush to buy the new phone, so I can wait for their release.
Thanks for your response.
-Bob-
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Actually, I'm in the process of evaluating cell phone replacements for my hx4700. I've narrowed the field to three right now, I-Mate Ultimate 5150, Softbank X01T, and Toshiba Portege G900. I like the Toshiba the best, but am concerned (as with the X01T) about the 480x800 screen size not being compatible with much of my software.
The criteria I'm using is GSM, WM6, WiFi, at least 128MB RAM, and at least 480x640 screen. Since my hx4700 is still working great, I'm not in a rush to buy the new phone, so I can wait for their release.
Thanks for your response.
-Bob-
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Buy a wizard, splash-flash my bootscreens, and you will want to restart it a few times a day....
Increase/Decrease memory
I was using wm3 previously and this version had a memory management tool. when i upgraded to wm5 this tool was finished. and now with wm5 in my pocket pc. i face an issue that when i install a heavy software i get an error that thier is no space in memory and the allocated memory for the device is too low. so i need a software that can support memory management. i downloaded one from the dreamesoft.com but it was for wm3 not for wm5. so guys i need this urgently.if some one has any idea u can tell me at [email protected].
thanks.
WM 6.1 Makes the Jump
While I didn't see an improvement in the memory management or charging from WM5 to WM6, I've found WM 6.1 to be faster, hold a charge, and generally be more stable than anything prior. And they added zoom to PIE.
Might be worth it!
Cheers,
theregoesdave.com
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I bought XDA Atom a three days ago and used it has got good features but the device is very slow and it hangs all the times. If u try n open the camera it hangs. Even at the configuiration time also it hangs. At last finally i have sold this phone i was pretty fed up of it. It was damn slow and hangs all the time. The response time is very slow.
So I really recommend dont even think of buying it.
Jeet, you like collecting phones don't you!
I'd love to get my hands on an Atom, don't think they're on sale in the UK yet. Nice to develop for WM5 on a small device for the pocket. Wizard isn't really for me, Atom seems perfect...
Have you tried soft resetting and sidestepping the customised extended ROM?
V
My atom was also a laggy.
I got rid of the O2connect that is always loaded from startup and it now flys.
I haven't had any lockups after 4 days of hard testing, and while the camera is laggy it's not that bad.
All in all I think my atom is amazing, and I'm very happy with it.
Regards,
Simon
Hi Jeet,
Based on yr reviews..I ordered one atom to resale..and I checked it thoroughly.I did not notice any lock ups...What I did, I hard resetted it and then started exploring...also did the self test.
THere's nim extended ROM I think...the Memory management is totally differrent...something like 2003SE but on WM5...]
u have 60 MB RAM, 22 MB of Main Memory and 43.86 MB of Storage
So it is entirely differrent...I shd say a Mix of HP iPaqs system with WM5..one needs to investigate more...
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My atom was also a laggy.
I got rid of the O2connect that is always loaded from startup and it now flys.
I haven't had any lockups after 4 days of hard testing, and while the camera is laggy it's not that bad.
All in all I think my atom is amazing, and I'm very happy with it.
Regards,
Simon
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Hi Simon.
Do you mind telling us how you removed it from the startup?
You can say that I'm not familiar with the registry, but I've edited it.
I'm planning to remove more than that O2 connect. The MediaPlus SMS plus seem useless to me too.
Thanks!
Hi there,
To remove it just go into file manager and when windows / startup.
There are shortcuts to the apps that get loaded every time you reboot.
I just removed them and my atom is now much faster, i.e. you don't get those nasty pauses every now and then for no reason.
Regards,
Simon
My Indonesian cousin recently got an XDA Atom too with the same observations as you guys.
As far as i'm concerned:
considering the enhanced features like WiFi and a 2MPx camera, with the processor type/speed not considerably improved, "lagging" and "hanging" is not surprising.
Too bad you sold the phone though. Usually 1st edition O/S programs have a lot of bugs. Most probably an upgraded program available in 3-6 months time may solve the existing problems
Pogi
I have the same negative experience and I belive it is all software related and can be fixed. Once again, hardware spec is not everything, at the end of the day it is human being making things work. Hope O2 will learn from it and qucikly fix Atom before damge of the O2 name is too deep to be reparied.
my issue with the Atom is only the outgoing sound quality. Ive had it for 2 days and everyone Ive spoken with has had troubles hearing me, complaining of 'muffled' sound and very low volume....
anyone else have this? I guess I should be returning mine? Ive not seen many complaints about this...
Well this is what I have been deciding for sometime now.
And here is my verdict:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48608
I think it's worth it. Orange now have upgrade stock and I've ordered my M600 today. My M500 will probably appear on eBay in the next few days.
Someone else in our office has just got an M600 having upgraded from the M500 and he really likes it - and so do I. Since I'm due for a free upgrade I thought - what the heck...go for it. 8)
I never had S100 but I still have my old 9090. I think you should go for it. The new WM5 is faster, cleaner and more stable (no more soft reset). And not being worried about losing everything when the battery dies. As for the processor, it is right, the S200 is a bit slower, you’ll feel it while playing movies with tcpmp. But using an overclocking app. Will fix it.
if you encode your video correctly, eg in 320x240 res, video playback is no problem whatsoever without overclocking
Indeed!
The gadget it nice, small, stylish black (at least are the XDA Neos), definitely better than the Wizard, and has no problems playing movies without overclocking if encoded with PocketDVDStudio.
It is THE phone!
P.S. The Start and OK/Close buttons are life-savers 8)
I've now upgraded and it was definitely worth it. 8)
When playing movies shot with my Canon Ixus @ 320x240 the Charmer stutters and the S100 does not.
Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
I think I will wait till the next version !
Hopefully they will have sorted it by then.
I would just upgrade again when the next model is out :lol:
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Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
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I think it is something like this... Let's say I have a Pentiun III (256MB) with Windows 98SE(WM2003SE Device) and I upgrade it to WinXP (WM2005 Device) .... I believe I WILL have to overclock to have same performance speed when let's say opening a document, or starting a game.
I don't know but i believe it is WM5 that is slowing the device down. I guess that's why even if were in 2006 there are still computers running Windows 98. So i guess you are right. If you don't need (yet)the advantages that WM5 brings then you could wait for the next generation Processors so that it will run "at par" as the S200.
I came from a h6340 (OMAP 200Mhz WM2003) to the Universal (Intel 520Mhz WM5) and no matter how you look at it, the Universal is so much faster than the HP h6340.
Oh, BTW... out from the box, the universal was "kinda" slow and I would classify it as a little non-responsive when opening a lot of programs at same time. Now though after a few ROM updates, everything is running quite quick.
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
montana said:
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
.....
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
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I think you might need to return your unit and get a replacement. Something must be wrong with your unit, or might because of some programs you installed on it?
I had a XDA Neo (same as S200) with JAMin WWE ROM for more than 2 month. The XDA Neo runs very fast and smooth. I never got any problem with it. I normally run multiple programs (2-5) at the same time. For example, media player to listen to mp3s and watch ebooks, and also have the dictionary (Lexisgoo 2.0) running. I never had complaints about the speed. The OMAP CPU is defferent than Xscale, you can not compare them by MHz.
I did not reset the unit in more than one week. The unit never (or at least rarely) hangs. Extremely stable. So, I guess you must installed some program not very compatible with your unit. I have installed more than 20 programs on it, but of course, I tested more than probably 40 programs in my first month after I got this unit, and deleted all the other programs which I believed it made the unit unstable.
I am also pretty satisfied with the battery life. It can last about one week (or at least 4-5 days) for regular use, if I do not use it for long time (more than 30-60 minutes talk) chat on the phone.
The BT is very stable. I use it to connect to my car (I have blue tooth system in my Prius), and it worked beautifully. But to save the battery, I normally turn the BT off when I get off the car.
Sometimes, I guess, you really need to test all the programs you installed. A lot of programs may not work right for WM5, and I also found that some programs it actually may work for WM5 (according to online info or reviews), but it did cause problems on my unit, and made the unit not very stable. You have to spend sometime to figure out. After you done this, you can always use the same programs on it, just keep updating when new version coming out. That is what I did for all my PDA phones.
Hope it helps.
By the way, I am using the overlocking now (252 MHz), and the unit runs even more faster and stable.
Hi!
I agree that no comparison is good based on Mhz, I know about it, but things are slower. Example: after a soft reset, (Several times a day) just accesing a contact whose name begins with "Z" in a 3000+ contact list, takes .... almost 20 seconds!
Loading TomTom 5? some 30 seconds before getting back the control of the thing. Never mind of using the TT5 if you receive an incoming call while tt5 loads..... it will be gone! An I have more than 39 Mb free memory!
Screens redraws that you can "see" almost by the pixel, etc. And I have just 6 apps loaded, tt5, Check Point, Pocket Earth, and a couple of games, none of then running altogether, but for the tt5-check point combo.
I know I can not return my unit for servicing just based on those problems.
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Or could I?
Hi, although this is my first post in this great forum, for some time I've been reading and learning .
I am seeking for advice. I have an HTC Wizard (Qtek 9100), which I've been using since june 2006, that isn't performing too well Lately. At the end of the day it freezes too often when trying to launch memory intensive programs like TextMaker or PlanMaker (SoftMaker Office 2006). Last Friday I finally had some time to hard-reset and start from scratch. Since I keep all the installation programs and serials on once place (and updated), in no time I had it set up. Nice. But after only four days, performance hasn't improved much, in fact I'm back to square one, needing one or two resets a day .
Since the first day I've used MemMaid and other tools to do some clean up. I have experience with the registry and I know what can be optimized there and what not. Recently I even got SK Tools to see if it could breathe some more life on my Wizard, but with no success
So I'm looking either at some advice to keep my device in shape, in case there's something that I haven't already tried or if I should look for another PocketPC Phone Edition more up to date. I’d rather keep my Wizard at least until WM6 devices available, but I can’t work this way for much longer.
In case I find no fix, I’ve considered getting a Herald or a Hermes 200. I know the technical specifications of both. The 400 MHz processor would be a welcome improvement (I don’t have much use for 3G, I have Wifi in most places), but I am looking for stability. Because of this if an AKU 3.X device is more stable, I prefer this over an AKU 2.3 device even if the last is faster. I’m not looking for faster resets after the freezes, I’m looking for a device that lasts longer between freezes/crashes . I also have read that there are plans of an AKU 3.X for the Hermes, but I learned a long time ago to make decisions only based on what’s currently available unless there is very strong evidence.
P.D.: Sorry for this very long post
I bought a I-MATE JAQ4 from a software developer about 8 months ago. I guess this model never went into production, and the phone is a prototype. I-MATE quit the JAQ line. Oh well.
Anyway, anybody know what alternative OS builds I can install on this thing? I am guessing it is not too much different than the JAQ3, it just has WM6 on it.
Any insightful information about this device would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Imate Jaq4
I also have a the Imate JAQ4 (which is a prototype) - I have been in touch with Imate (via their site) apparently the model is due for release anytime now in this country.
Try checking out the site for suitable downloads.
The only problem I have now encountered is finding a replacement battery - I had to do a hard reset on my unit and since then the battery wont charge (unless any one out there knows a way to jump start the battery back to life).
Everywhere I have tried that advertise compatable batteries do not seem to carry any stock.
I am not sure what is going on with the I-Mate JAQ4, however...
Isn't the same as the Pharos Traveler M619 (http://www.pharosgps.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=001%5FPTL619%5F7%2E9&cat=136 )? I got one, pretty good, but slow processor and low memory (very similar to the Dash, at least it seems to me, but with bigger screen, touch screen and gps, )
There currently not much support in the way of firmware upgrades, but they did release version 6.1 a while back.
GPS refuse SD CARD ,WHY?
my configuration: 2G MICRO SD WITH ADAPTER
when i launch GPS , sd disappear and can't be accessed. i have to plug out and insert again.
why?
there is some patch for this bug .
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what is difference between x7500 & x7510 in hardware and software
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what is difference between x7500 & x7510 in hardware and software
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I asked the same question the other day and this is the reply I got.............
"The extra 8GB is nice but not essential, and there is always the miniSD for expansion.
In some ways the X7510 is a retrograde step- the lack of a joystick is a total PITA as there is no way to manually navigate some programs without executing a screen click.
The keyboard is a big improvement, but TouchPal is so good that I very rarely use the physical keyboard. The X7500 ROMs by Michy et all are every bit as good as the X7510 ROMs- no surprise I suppose as the hardware is identical in most respects"
I dont have a X7510 myself, I have a X7500. hope this helps
Jay
I wrote the above comments and have had both the X7500 and X7510.
IF my X7500 had not been a little battered, and IF O2 had not offered me an XDA Flint FOC, I would not have considered the update a worthwhile investment.
From a hardware perspective they are almost identical apart from the keyboard and the 16GB Flash Disk. There is no difference in battery life so i suspect the X7500's microdrive is just as power efficient as the flash drive.
The lack of physical navigation is a real problem sometimes, especially as the stock HTC and O2 ROMs do not have the 'finger friendly' enhancements of later WM6.1 builds.
If buying from scratch, the the X7510 can be had for quite reasonable prices now!
Waiting with anticipation for Toth :]
For some strange, yet unexplained, reason, the 7510 IS faster when we use GIS-map navigation software (MapInfo Mobile). I havent been able to figure out why, but it is. Even with michys clean 6.1 rom on 7500, the map-scrolling is faster on the stock (htc) 7510 rom.
We've been testing this quite thouroughly and... the 7510 is faster, same softwareversion used.
Since there are, afaik, no drivers that enables/accesses the gfxchip on the 7510 either, myself and some techs at mapinfo havent been able to crack this one yet.
I have X7500 and X7510.
For me the main difference is 16GB Flash Drive. Most of you here ignore this, but I have a very good reason to prefer X7510, although lack of joystick is obvious disadvantage.
Here is my point: 16GB Flash Drive starts very early when you reboot your device. This lets you install almost all software on Flash disk, instead of main memory. More, it consumes less power then 8Gb hard disk in X7500.
Practically most of my software is installed on Flash Disk, which means it is constantly in use, which again means, it constantly consumes its share of power. This does not change that I am able to use my device pretty hard for 2 days without recharging.
I could use my X7500 for 2 days as well, but in that device non of software was on Hard disk. All of it was on main memory or on SD. However, SD does not start as early in the boot process as flash disk in X7510, which means, I could not install any software on SD, which was going to initiate services, while I can do it on FLASH disk in X7510.
That left my 8GB HD in X7500 only for storage of media, which was not so economic. Whenever I was showing my films or photos, I could see how fast the power gauge goes down.
This is enough to make me use my X7510, although it does not have such nice toy as joystick.
does both have g sensor or they doesnot
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does both have g sensor or they doesnot
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Both, x7510 and x7500 have g-sensor.