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Hi,
I'm due for an upgrade very soon and just wanted to get peoples opinions on the PDA 2K and the JAM.
General impressions of the PDA 2K seem to be a bit dissapointing, however I like the idea of having wifi.
The JAM seems all round very sleek and impressive however the downside would have to be the low ram and the lack of wifi, but then it is a USB host (thats correct isn't it?).
User experiences / opinions would be greatly appreciated. Also any info on the screens? As I couldn't see myself with a screen protector / case on the JAM...
I was indecided whichone to buy...and at last I have chosen the JAM...because of the size and the battery last. The ram should be a problem...but there is the SD slot that helps a lot...except for some appz that do not run well if installed on the SD card. For the Wi-fi it could be a solution the SD card expansion...SD256MB+Wi-fi (from SANDISK)...but is a little bit longer and looks out of the JAM when inserdet :roll: . I have installed about 7 essential APPZ and have still 15mb free...and yes U have the USB cabble to connect with the PC, but without a craddle!
Regards,
Primoz
p.s. I haven`t put on the screen protector yet. And if U go buy it in the shop (not via internet) try it...because there are a lot of people having dead pixles...including me :roll:
just to confirm from someone who's actually used the JAM. Is it a USB host?
Yes it uses USB.
The Jam uses USB but I don't thnk it's a USB Host.
JAM or PDA2K
Like you I'm in two minds about which one to go for. I like all the features on the PDA2K, the keyboard, built in wi-fi and 128meg ram. But at the same time I appreciate the JAMs small size. How are people getting on with the SD WI-FI cards particularly with 802.11G/B mixed mode WAPs? I've read about the numerous problems particularly with D-Link 802.11G/B WAPs and since I own one of these devices I really need some reassurance that the SD WIFI will work with my D-Link WAP.
Also how do people on here find the performance of the SD WIFI cards?
here are some reviews
http://www.davespda.com/reviews/other/sdsdiowifi.htm
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/sandisk_SD_wifi_256.htm
here you can get more
http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=performance+of+the+SD+WIFI+cards&btnG=Google-søgning&meta=
hmm, I've got the same problem.
Now I have MDA III but it is to big for me, while it has all I need - wifi, ram and extra buttons for today, messaging, internet and ok button.
What forejudge to sell MDA III - it fall down on the floor twice and from that time upper part (screen) is not so proper to the down part :?
Very important thing for me is battery .
I dont know if it will be better then in MDA III. You must think that there is replacement battery to MDA III, thich has more cappacity then the original: 2000 mAh and even 3000 mAh made by MugenPower.
As far as know, for now there is no replacement battery to Jam (1200 mAh )
Theoretical, Jam has smaller screen and needs less battery ...
Spb GPRS Monitor shows on my MDA III 6,5 hours of working when it is full (brightness on 2 position - near minimum ) - maybe someone tells me what the same program shows on Jam ????
Look what I found when I was looking some info about Jam:
http://www.etencorp.com/products/Communication/500.php
Does anyone know if compatibility has been improved between SD WI-FI and 802.11G/B mixed mode WAPs particularly D-Link kit?
I'd also like to know if it can work as USB host eg can I plug it into a USB hard drive in my car for playing music?
Cheers
Jamie
jwhitham said:
I'd also like to know if it can work as USB host eg can I plug it into a USB hard drive in my car for playing music?
Cheers
Jamie
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There is NO USB host capabilities neither in JAM, nor PDA2k. Jam has a mini-usb port but its USB client only, so you can use it only for syncronise, nothing else.
Folks,
I have noticed a problem with the screen sensitivity since upgrading my imate with the qtec 1.11 rom:
The screen sensitivity appears to drop very considerably at times. More often in areas of poor reception. It renders the device virtually unusable at times.
I am minded to think that the new rom allocates more time to keeping the signal strong rather than having the screen retain its sensitivity. The reason for me thinking this is that I never have any problems when I go into flight mode.
Hardware keys do not suffer from any sensitivity problems and I know the unit is fine in that regard - ie, I have started using the up/down hardkey instead of the stylus when the unit is playing up.
Has anybody seen similar & more importantly does anybody know how this could be tweaked?
This is the only problem I have encountered with 1.11! Other than that, everything is great - especially the battery life!
Cheers
Marc
The problem seems to occur irrespective of the signal strength. I am about to downgrade but am wondering which element to downgrade: Radio or System?
Anybody else have this problem or can anybody give some advice.
Is there any way to change the priorities on the JAM so that it commits more time to the screen touches and less to other elements?
I cant be the only person with this problem.... surely!
did you install any software after the upgrade?
do you have the same problem even after a hard reset w/o insstalling any other software?
I don't have any problems with screen sensitivity.
Do you use any different software before and after upgrade?
I have managed to prove that the screen problem I am suffering has nothing to do with the ROM version - I have had the problem occur with 1.03, 1.06, 1.11.
It looks like a hardware problem. Good news in one way but bad news for me.
There are others that have mentioned slow screen response.... my problems started off like this about 2 months ago. Now the unit can go days without getting any response from the touch screen. Hard and Soft resets make no difference at all.
I think we need to get more people to comment on this...... anybody?
I have managed to prove that the screen problem I am suffering has nothing to do with the ROM version - I have had the problem occur with 1.03, 1.06, 1.11.
It looks like a hardware problem. Good news in one way but bad news for me.
There are others that have mentioned slow screen response.... my problems started off like this about 2 months ago. Now the unit can go days without getting any response from the touch screen. Hard and Soft resets make no difference at all.
I think we need to get more people to comment on this...... anybody?
My immediate reaction after installing 1.11 rom/radio and then the 27 MB storage rom was that my magician felt sluggish compared to before.
I haven't had too much time to play with it, but yes, it definitely feels slower with 1.11.
@LeSkip: I use QTEK 1.11 ROM and my mini runs faster (compared to the original O2 mini ROM). I don't have any experience with BigStorage ROM so I can't compare.
@marcyspark: I hope you're still under warranty. Downgrade the ROM so you can have it repaired under warranty (Upgrading the ROM can void your warranty).
Cheers for the warning - I already took care of that side - thanks for the thoughts though. Much appreciated.
I now have to deal with the Imate UK service centre which, so far, has not been good:
1. After explaining that I had upgraded to the latest Official Imate ROM I was told to go to the website and install the latest ROM !!!
2. I was told to list all third party applications that are installed!!! There arent any cos the damn thing has had a new ROM installed and I cant get it to do anything!!!
3. The most recent advice was to hard reset and everything would be fine!!! Aaagggh!
4. Finally, I was told that a firmware update will be available to fix my problem which, as I told them previously, occurred with Firmware 1.03 and 1.06.
Bizarrely, the imate has come back to life after a few days without use AND I have noticed that if you press onto the battery from the back you can get it to respond for a while.... but only a while. Could this be a design issue rather than a hardware fault???
I have never pressed hard on the unit (for fear of damaging or marking the beautiful screen) but could it be that the chassis flexes over time?
Any thoughts folks - surely this stuff is for beta testers not paying consumers..... dont start me off on this one.
(I sound like a Lawyer cos I am one)
I have a MDA Compact running 1.0.1 rom, so I just upgraded to 1.11. All went fine, everythings seems to be speedy and nice.
The next thing I did was use my sprite backup to restore teh apps to the MDA. Once I had done this, the screen became very unusable and needed a big press to get anything to happen.
I have just hard reset again, and all is fine. Im now going to try reinstalling everything from scratch and see how it goes.
Its a software thing guys, must be.
Well this is what I have been deciding for sometime now.
And here is my verdict:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48608
I think it's worth it. Orange now have upgrade stock and I've ordered my M600 today. My M500 will probably appear on eBay in the next few days.
Someone else in our office has just got an M600 having upgraded from the M500 and he really likes it - and so do I. Since I'm due for a free upgrade I thought - what the heck...go for it. 8)
I never had S100 but I still have my old 9090. I think you should go for it. The new WM5 is faster, cleaner and more stable (no more soft reset). And not being worried about losing everything when the battery dies. As for the processor, it is right, the S200 is a bit slower, you’ll feel it while playing movies with tcpmp. But using an overclocking app. Will fix it.
if you encode your video correctly, eg in 320x240 res, video playback is no problem whatsoever without overclocking
Indeed!
The gadget it nice, small, stylish black (at least are the XDA Neos), definitely better than the Wizard, and has no problems playing movies without overclocking if encoded with PocketDVDStudio.
It is THE phone!
P.S. The Start and OK/Close buttons are life-savers 8)
I've now upgraded and it was definitely worth it. 8)
When playing movies shot with my Canon Ixus @ 320x240 the Charmer stutters and the S100 does not.
Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
I think I will wait till the next version !
Hopefully they will have sorted it by then.
I would just upgrade again when the next model is out :lol:
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Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
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I think it is something like this... Let's say I have a Pentiun III (256MB) with Windows 98SE(WM2003SE Device) and I upgrade it to WinXP (WM2005 Device) .... I believe I WILL have to overclock to have same performance speed when let's say opening a document, or starting a game.
I don't know but i believe it is WM5 that is slowing the device down. I guess that's why even if were in 2006 there are still computers running Windows 98. So i guess you are right. If you don't need (yet)the advantages that WM5 brings then you could wait for the next generation Processors so that it will run "at par" as the S200.
I came from a h6340 (OMAP 200Mhz WM2003) to the Universal (Intel 520Mhz WM5) and no matter how you look at it, the Universal is so much faster than the HP h6340.
Oh, BTW... out from the box, the universal was "kinda" slow and I would classify it as a little non-responsive when opening a lot of programs at same time. Now though after a few ROM updates, everything is running quite quick.
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
montana said:
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
Looking Glass said:
Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
.....
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
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I think you might need to return your unit and get a replacement. Something must be wrong with your unit, or might because of some programs you installed on it?
I had a XDA Neo (same as S200) with JAMin WWE ROM for more than 2 month. The XDA Neo runs very fast and smooth. I never got any problem with it. I normally run multiple programs (2-5) at the same time. For example, media player to listen to mp3s and watch ebooks, and also have the dictionary (Lexisgoo 2.0) running. I never had complaints about the speed. The OMAP CPU is defferent than Xscale, you can not compare them by MHz.
I did not reset the unit in more than one week. The unit never (or at least rarely) hangs. Extremely stable. So, I guess you must installed some program not very compatible with your unit. I have installed more than 20 programs on it, but of course, I tested more than probably 40 programs in my first month after I got this unit, and deleted all the other programs which I believed it made the unit unstable.
I am also pretty satisfied with the battery life. It can last about one week (or at least 4-5 days) for regular use, if I do not use it for long time (more than 30-60 minutes talk) chat on the phone.
The BT is very stable. I use it to connect to my car (I have blue tooth system in my Prius), and it worked beautifully. But to save the battery, I normally turn the BT off when I get off the car.
Sometimes, I guess, you really need to test all the programs you installed. A lot of programs may not work right for WM5, and I also found that some programs it actually may work for WM5 (according to online info or reviews), but it did cause problems on my unit, and made the unit not very stable. You have to spend sometime to figure out. After you done this, you can always use the same programs on it, just keep updating when new version coming out. That is what I did for all my PDA phones.
Hope it helps.
By the way, I am using the overlocking now (252 MHz), and the unit runs even more faster and stable.
Hi!
I agree that no comparison is good based on Mhz, I know about it, but things are slower. Example: after a soft reset, (Several times a day) just accesing a contact whose name begins with "Z" in a 3000+ contact list, takes .... almost 20 seconds!
Loading TomTom 5? some 30 seconds before getting back the control of the thing. Never mind of using the TT5 if you receive an incoming call while tt5 loads..... it will be gone! An I have more than 39 Mb free memory!
Screens redraws that you can "see" almost by the pixel, etc. And I have just 6 apps loaded, tt5, Check Point, Pocket Earth, and a couple of games, none of then running altogether, but for the tt5-check point combo.
I know I can not return my unit for servicing just based on those problems.
:evil: :evil: :evil:
Or could I?
hello,
first of all let me thank you for a brilliant forum. I was looking for a forum with loads of information on pocket pc phones and i guess i found you guys.
Okay I'm a total newbie and I need help with choosing between three phones and i'm extremely confused as to what i should choose.
I'm with orange and they are offering me:-
1. NOKIA N95 (Not the black edition, but does come with 8gb) - Has all the features, but i've heard these are very buggy and slow
2. TYTN II - Has all the features that i need, except the keypad is eithier virtual or i have to pull out the keyboard to make calls, which is a NO NO
3. TOUCH DUAL - Now this phone is the dream i was wishing for..i.e there is a keypad which exists, allowing me to quickly make calls, but then it has NO GPS and NO WI-FI .
My problem is that all phones have their advantages and disadvantages and therefore make it difficult for me to choose. Here is what i'm looking for:-
1. The phone must have a hard keypad (Not a keyboard or virtual keypad) to make immediate calls.
2. GPS is not immediately needed, but i hope that i can add it in the near future
3. WI-FI again is not urgently needed, but i hope that it can be added later in future
4. The phone software must be very adaptable software wise
5. Must be unlockable to all networks
6. Needs to have a decent battery life
I especially want to know about the Touch Dual..can this give me what i need?
Your help is much appreciated
i would check out the asus ones recall them at least having the keypad
Touch Dual
Its worth the sacrifice (WiFI, GPS and Battery).
I do not even use my Kaiser anymore.
Rudegar said:
i would check out the asus ones recall them at least having the keypad
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Which ones are the asus ones? Never heard of them.
The other problem is that i can only stay with orange network as they are offering me a good tariff for cheap price:-
1400 xnet minutes
unlimited landline calls
unlimited calls to 4 chosen family/friend numbers
They only have given me the choices that i mentioned earlier and i don't think they do an asus.
how about a HTC vox. Wifi is there with a decent battery life (provided you need wifi occasionally, which seems to be the case). But remember there is no inbuilt GPS. The phone is fast after I have upgraded to Dr Martin Gonzo's windows 6.1 rom. In fact wifi and issues with qualcomm processor in touch were the main reason that I opted for the vox. I am pretty satisfied with the phone.
thanks for replying gogiasiddhartha, but i think you guys have misunderstood what i was trying to say.
I can only choose a phone from www.orange.co.uk and they do have a limited range.
Would someone be kind enough and have a quick glance at what they are offering pls and let me know.
thanks very much again.
Out of the three mentioned in the link provided HTC TyTn II wins hands down.
Hopefully with a rom upgrade and soon to be released drivers from HTC, the phone would become as good a device as it was expected to be. Cost would be a prime consideration though.
U should check out the Asus P750. Mine P525 doesn't have GPS but still work great (even compare w/ my latest toy ATT Tilt/Tytn II except no 3G and GPS)
what is difference between x7500 & x7510 in hardware and software
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what is difference between x7500 & x7510 in hardware and software
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I asked the same question the other day and this is the reply I got.............
"The extra 8GB is nice but not essential, and there is always the miniSD for expansion.
In some ways the X7510 is a retrograde step- the lack of a joystick is a total PITA as there is no way to manually navigate some programs without executing a screen click.
The keyboard is a big improvement, but TouchPal is so good that I very rarely use the physical keyboard. The X7500 ROMs by Michy et all are every bit as good as the X7510 ROMs- no surprise I suppose as the hardware is identical in most respects"
I dont have a X7510 myself, I have a X7500. hope this helps
Jay
I wrote the above comments and have had both the X7500 and X7510.
IF my X7500 had not been a little battered, and IF O2 had not offered me an XDA Flint FOC, I would not have considered the update a worthwhile investment.
From a hardware perspective they are almost identical apart from the keyboard and the 16GB Flash Disk. There is no difference in battery life so i suspect the X7500's microdrive is just as power efficient as the flash drive.
The lack of physical navigation is a real problem sometimes, especially as the stock HTC and O2 ROMs do not have the 'finger friendly' enhancements of later WM6.1 builds.
If buying from scratch, the the X7510 can be had for quite reasonable prices now!
Waiting with anticipation for Toth :]
For some strange, yet unexplained, reason, the 7510 IS faster when we use GIS-map navigation software (MapInfo Mobile). I havent been able to figure out why, but it is. Even with michys clean 6.1 rom on 7500, the map-scrolling is faster on the stock (htc) 7510 rom.
We've been testing this quite thouroughly and... the 7510 is faster, same softwareversion used.
Since there are, afaik, no drivers that enables/accesses the gfxchip on the 7510 either, myself and some techs at mapinfo havent been able to crack this one yet.
I have X7500 and X7510.
For me the main difference is 16GB Flash Drive. Most of you here ignore this, but I have a very good reason to prefer X7510, although lack of joystick is obvious disadvantage.
Here is my point: 16GB Flash Drive starts very early when you reboot your device. This lets you install almost all software on Flash disk, instead of main memory. More, it consumes less power then 8Gb hard disk in X7500.
Practically most of my software is installed on Flash Disk, which means it is constantly in use, which again means, it constantly consumes its share of power. This does not change that I am able to use my device pretty hard for 2 days without recharging.
I could use my X7500 for 2 days as well, but in that device non of software was on Hard disk. All of it was on main memory or on SD. However, SD does not start as early in the boot process as flash disk in X7510, which means, I could not install any software on SD, which was going to initiate services, while I can do it on FLASH disk in X7510.
That left my 8GB HD in X7500 only for storage of media, which was not so economic. Whenever I was showing my films or photos, I could see how fast the power gauge goes down.
This is enough to make me use my X7510, although it does not have such nice toy as joystick.
does both have g sensor or they doesnot
hoss_n2 said:
does both have g sensor or they doesnot
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Both, x7510 and x7500 have g-sensor.